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Donkeys are crazy sumbitches

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This dog is basically considered the greatest fighting pit bull of all time, Grand Champion Zebo

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/7.jpg

He was fought at roughly 43 pounds.  I'm only up to page 2, but most of the stuff posted is ridiculous.  Airedales in open, Bull Terriers, Kangals, Akita's, Tosa's, Rottweilers, blah, the Pit Bull would routinely kill all them giving up anywhere from 20-80 pounds of uphill weight difference.  The only dog I know that routinely can kill Pit Bulls with minimal damage in return is the Caucasian Shepherd.  The Russian version of youtube has a lot of pit bull fights (and a crap ton of virus').  There's even some videos of Pit Bulls shredding wolverines in a minute.

I'm against dog fighting, always have been, but I have had pit bulls since 1981 until 2012, which was the last one I will ever own, but the pit bull was bred not to quit.  Lots of owners think their big dog is killing a pit bull, but some pit bull battles went over 2 hours.  Dogs could lose, but if they were quit, they were culled, the quit was literally bred out of the damned things.  Then Flashdance came out anad suddenly every hood rat wanted one but they wanted them bigger and meaner looking so they bred Mastiff type breeds into them, which are protection dogs, so now you have a none social protection dog that has no quit, a bad combo, hence the current problem.   A true APBT is a problem for an animal with 4 legs, they were never known to be manbiters.  Half that reason is because pit men would kill a man biter since they wouldn't be able to handle it in the pit, not because they were saints.  The one I posted bit a few people, but it was an excite biter more than anything and fought so good they put up with it.

You guys hate  pit bulls so much, and I get it, but with so much hate, you should actually read about them, their history, what the hell happened with the breed, and what the current problem really is.  Not everyone should own one, it took 3 months in 1981 to find my first one, they were rare dogs, now they're everywhere and soccer mom's keep rescuing them to prove "it's not the dog, it's the owner" which is one of the dumbest statements ever.  We breed traits into dogs, you better believe it's the dog, pit bulls have 300 plus years of breeding to do nothing but fight and not quit, those genes are deep in the breed, even with these modern mutants.

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I'm calling  B.S.  You can't provide a vid of a pit destroying a Neapolitan Mastiff, more or less on the regular.

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The Pit Bull breed you're talking about should fade away into obscurity, along with the practice of pit fighting dogs against one another.

It's an inhumane and disgusting institution, practiced by the worst examples of humanity.

As I said before, I hope my Presas never have a reason to fight dog or human. They are loyal and loving companions who give us everything they have, and deserve the best we can give them.

I can't imagine being fascinated by the practice, I find it completely abhorrent.

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I'm sure this one could.  
But, first, look how sweet and gentle this one is with children.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/46582/1111_jpg-724299.JPG

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I'm sure this one could.  
But, first, look how sweet and gentle this one is with children.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/46582/1111_jpg-724299.JPG

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So the human aggressive trait displayed in modern day pits came from where exactly?

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Now that, is asinine.

There is, statistically speaking, no other breed currently more prone to unprovoked attacks on humans. You say the original design is nothing like the modern day iteration but I think we can agree it's a fairly direct descendant. None of the other breeds you mention that were introduced are predominately represented in the modern day pit bull's constitution, be it physical or temperamental. Modern day pits do not look like Presas or Corsos, they look like slightly heavier versions of the original design. Of course there are exceptions to that statement because there is really no breed standard, but in general terms the pits of today look more like the pits of 50 years ago than they do any other breed. And they don't behave like the other breeds either.

I'm familiar with the pit morphing breeders you mentioned and their mutations. Trashy breeders catering to morons.

My Presas do not exhibit ill temperament, even my female who seems to generally dislike everything but us. They will approach a stranger with suspicion but once it's apparent that there's no threat the tail starts wagging and they're keen to get a pat on the head.

There are exceptions to this statement too, there always will be. In general though, Presas and Corsos do not attack and/or kill people unprovoked.

I'm a dog enthusiast and always have been. I prefer flock guardians over all other groups. I cannot stand what the pit bull was engineered to do and detest the breed to this day.

The breed has zero dignity with the exception of a few fringe enthusiasts who attach value to the dog who can best kill another for sport.

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The only element to this discussion I could be considered emotional about is my disdain for pit fighting. I am disgusted by it and feel the "men" involved are childlike cowards at heart. Yes, I have feels.

Many of us are dog owners and it's probably safe to say we have an emotional attachment to our dogs. For instance, if one of mine died tomorrow I would be very, very sad. They are not members of our family, they are animals and are treated accordingly, but we still have a bond with them.

You can't be honest in this discussion and claim there are zero facts to support the hypothesis that the pit bull breed is inherently dangerous to the public. There is incident after incident in which a child, owner, or whomever is mauled or killed by a pit daily. These articles typically include a picture of the dog and the resemblance to the breed standard is close, at the very least.

They were bred for a specific purpose and due to dilution/introduction their specific target may be muddied now, but the inherent purpose is still there, and the muddiness is what makes them more dangerous than ever. They were bred to fight and kill, it's just that now they're not so sure who the target should be.

Their original purpose is an abomination and their current, confused state of absolute loyalty/hair trigger attack makes them entirely unpredictable and always potentially dangerous.

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Yeah, no. I'm really not.

The vast majority of them are unassuming family pets, not real fighters. Tosas, Filas, Presas, Black Russian Terriers, Komondors, Ovcharkas, Tibetan Mastiffs, Cane Corsii, Kangals, etc are breeds that are much higher up the scale of difficulty and potential fallout, not to mention that many of them have also been bred for fighting.

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one thing that always gets me when folks talk about pit aggression and talk about how long they were bred to fight, they never mention that for them same amount of years the human aggression was culled out of them.