What a dummy, right?  If the Democrats steal the 2020 election we have 3-4 years tops.

I seriously had to stop reading the article immediately after the first argument by the author came up..... "It's too complex."

Straight from 2005.   Bullshit article.

I absolutely DGAF about Tavors, one way or the other.  I am just pointing out one difference with the M-4gery.

LOL I guess I'll throw my AR15s away since a dude claiming to be a green beret on the internet told me they were trash.

That article was full of derp.

The delay is supposed to come from the length of the gas tube.  Extraction issues (On ARs) generally only happen on carbine or shorter gas tubes.  Stay with middy or rifle, and it will never fail you.  You will have longer bolt life, as well.

@WildBoar

It was the early to mid 80's. Back then, they had a program very similar to the 18X enlistment option. You did Infantry AIT, Jump School, and then the Q-course. They were called "baby SF" somewhat derisively due to their young age compared to most traditional SF. According to an interview I'd read, he had decided SF wasn't for him, so he got out of the Army. When he made inquiries into Delta Force, he found out that you had to be currently serving in order to join, so he reenlisted and applied for DFAS (Delta Force Assessment and Selection). He was selected, attended and graduated the Operator's Course, and served with Delta until he retired due to the wear and tear on his body.

When I considered applying for DFAS in 2001, you could attend DFAS and the Operator's Course with any MOS, and selection and completion of the Operator's Course meant a three year PCS assignment to 1st SFOD-D in whatever MOS you were, with a duty assignment as an Operator. If you wanted to stay after those three years, you had to change your MOS to either a CMF 11 or 18 MOS if it were something else up to then. If you opted for an 11-series MOS, it would be awarded immediately. If you opted for an 18-series MOS, you had to attend that MOS's Q-course. If you applied to 1st SFOD-D in a support function, you were assigned on three year PCS orders without going through DFAS or the O Course. If you chose to stay longer, and were allowed to do so, you stayed in your MOS without need to change to Infantry or SF, as you would be doing whatever that MOS does, whether it's as a cook, wheeled vehicle mechanic, or PAC clerk.

youre about to see a bunch of retards REEEEEing because of the ak mud test.

"WASNT A REAL RUSSIAN AK"

"NOT REAL WARSAW PACT SPEC MUD"

"WASNT AMMO HANDLOADED USING MIKHAIL KALASHNIKOVS IMPACTED ANUS TO SEAT THE BULLETS"

That dude is a fucking tard.
ARs are cheap, light, ergonomic, accurate, and powerful enough for people and most NA game.

At current prices you can afford to stock doubles and replacement parts for anything that might fail.

The only problem with those tests is that I can't see any circumstance where I will be filling my gun with mud., regardless of whether it's an AR or AK.

He is also a complete retard when it comes to statistics.

Great thing about AR-15s, they are modular, replacement parts are easy to find and affordable. If you have multiples it's easy to scavenge parts from one to make another whole.

Cheap, Accurate, Reliable- very few firearms have these same characteristics in the same qualities.
A SCAR light might be accurate and reliable, but it's not cheap.
Robinson Arms XCR might be accurate, but it's not always reliable and it's not cheap
XM8.... lol

Biggest gripe I have with the AR is malfunction remedies CAN be a PITA...

The way the AR is designed if something locks up the rifle while the bolt is out of battery then you have an instant club. You're not getting that bitch part once the BCG has entered the buffer tube even slightly. There isn't a hell of a lot of room within the rifle to access  potential trouble areas around the locking lugs/barrel extension. Making cleaning a chore as compared to some other designs with more internal room or a separate removable dust cover that allows access to the internals without complete field stripping of the rifle.

For those reasons I'll stay a fan of the AK.

The AK is cavernous internally as compared to the AR. You can literally take a stick or similar long pointed object to knock debris that is screwing with the FCG out of the rifle simply by popping the topcover and having a look around inside for a quick diagnosis of the problem. If the AK locks up in battery for some reason a boot or hammer can be used to successfully knock the BCG open. AK cleaning can be done with the most MINIMAL of cleaning gear. There are no holes in the BCG to conduct spent gases thru needing to be scrubbed of carbon, no "cotter pin" needing to be removed for access to cleaning the BCG, no gas rings to wear out. You wipe it off with a rag, with some solvent on it if you want to be picky. Punch the bore with brush included in the buttstock cleaning kit and cleaning rod carried on the rifle & done.

Anybody that has ever cleaned an AR knows the drill for field stripping & cleaning. Compared to the AK it's a bit tedious with special chamber brushes to scrub the locking lugs, cotter pins that must be removed to allow the FP to drop so the cam pin can be rotated to allow bolt removal. BCG is a carbon magnet. Also the AR prefers to run "wet", which is fine as long as you can pick up lube everywhere. I've used grease in an AR as an experiment and made an absolute mess when it came time to clean it, no matter how thinly it was applied.

As already pointed out, AR mags can have issues when dropped loaded. AK mags seem not to have that issue so that you could beat someone to death with a loaded mag and then use it in the gun successfully.

AKs can have their issues as well but being difficult to maintain isn't one them.

Horseshit.

Basic “keep the gun running” maintenance requires the same stuff with an AK or an AR.

More advanced “change or replace parts” maintenance for the AR requires a hell of a lot less specialized equipment than the AK.

https://vimeo.com/114095244

This man speaks truth

Bullshit.

You get that BCG into the buffer tube & jammed at the lucking lugs with something like a popped primer or similar. Your ass is doing NOTHING in the field with that gun without some actual tools. Gun won't even hinge open at that point...Tap, rack, bang ain't fixing that shit. Possibly same if something gets into the FCG, you'll be disassembling the entire FCG to get whatever jammed it up out of there.

Nope....You cut them up and sell them to Americans who rebuild them into BFPU rifles for profit.

ETA; AK is like Phoenix, comrade...Rises from ashes to be reborn anew & soldier on.

Perhaps the "circumstance" will take care of that for you.

This is about the dumbest post I've read today.

Yes, the AR15 is phenomenal when its a QUALITY AR, but going to the bargain bin for a weapon you're going to use to defend yourself is all sorts of stupid...

Don’t shoot commie trash ammo and you’re more likely to be struck by lightning while riding a unicorn than to get a popped primer into the BCG system.

And the AR FCG is much simpler to remove, fix, and replace than the AK.  5.56 round and a few minutes is all you need.

If you're basing your SHTF plans around "finding" spare parts and or bartering for parts or ammunition then you've already failed right out of the gate...

Not true of the high end ones build by reputable people here in the states.

Agreed on the other points, but, as for the bolded part in red, please go on...

The author
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The only time I needed any thing in my spare parts collection is when I "misplaced" a front takedown detent.

commence launch procedure........SPOING....

As a trained and battle hardened member of the dog poop scooper home division, I've shot thousands and thousands (did I mention thousands) of rounds and never had a malfunction that wasn't a mag issue out of dozens of home brew ARs.

The AR is awesome. The author needs to show us where the AR touched him.

Meh, a PSA rifle is just fine. For that matter, so is a Poverty Pony lower.

Put in a decent BCG and trigger parts.

Better buy lots of firing pins................

I should've been more specific in that it's what's inside that really counts  Notice you said a decent BCG and trigger parts....the heart of the system, no?  A stripped lower and upper by themselves can come from just about anywhere as it's never the lower or upper receiver that fails, it's the internals.

When were Ar15s used in the military?

Completely ridiculous argument. They run just fine, are accurate, can fill a bunch of different roles from up close to pretty decent range with the right ammo. Considering the amount of ARs in the country, probably more mags and ammo for it to scrounge than anything else if need be. So where is the argument against?

But muh PSA is just as good as a KAC! JUST AS GOOD!

@HendersonDefense  AR or AK?

Project Agile.

Also, Delta Force used AR15s in Mogadishu.

Brass over bolt.  Doesn’t even register as an issue with most guns, but it is on the AR.

So we can redesign the hand guards to have freefloat barrels, but a small modification to prevent Brass over bolt is utterly beyond us...

Well for what most people do with their AR there's no difference. Don't need a KAC to go shoot twice a year from a bench at 100 yards.

By that logic, a Chinese hand cannon is the best weapon for shtf.

In reality, having a spare bolt, firing pin, and a cotter pin or two and some lube will keep an AR15 running for a very long time.

If the platform is to complicated, train more or go sit in the corner.

Don't forget the rope.

Yup. I don't really need to argue it because I've seen it happen. Not often, but it has happened. Rifle locked up tight, BCG slightly OOB, gun WILL NOT OPEN. Period. At that point ther's little you can do without breaking out some tools to see what can be made to move to possibly break things loose. We won't get into broken bolts.

Technically, all M16 and M4 variants are AR15s. The AR15 is merely the development identifier for it per Armalite.

All M16s and M4s are AR15s not all AR15s are M4s or M16s though.

It started about 1962 I think.

They were later given military model designations of course...
XM16 and then then finally M16 and M16A1 both in 1967.

There may still be some lowers marked AR-15 in service with the USAF and/or the service academies. I have some marked AR-15 PROPERTY OF U.S. GOVT. M16 in my armory that transferred from USAF inventory in 2007.

Here's one:
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Colt's model number for the M16 was 604.

The M16A1 was Colt model 603 because the changes to the Colt Model 02 (602) that the US Army requested were incorporated first.

As a active 3-Gun shooter I burn fuck tons of 5.56.  Know how I clean my ARs?

I generally don't. When I do, I hose them off with contact cleaner, lube and done.

Do you just like wasting time, or what?

Well said.