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Posted: 2/13/2018 9:25:43 PM EDT
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Define best. Magazine capacity? Accuracy? Speed of follow-up shots? Terminal performance? External ballistics? Rifle weight? Ammo weight? Ease of optics mounting? Ammo selection? Trigger pull? There’s nothing wrong with using one. But if I were starting from scratch and wanted to acquire a deer-capable rifle, there’s no way I would limit myself to a lever-gun. There are too many other more versatile designs out there that out class the lever gun in most of those qualities. In this day and age, I think lever guns are clearly relegated to the fun gun niche. I’ll snatch one up if the deal is right just to expand my collection, but it isn’t like i’m ever looking through the gun safe and find myself saying “I really need a lever gun for this application”. It’s been rendered obsolete. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They get a lot of hate for some reason. They are one of the best deer rifles you can buy though if you are shooting under 200 yards. Magazine capacity? Accuracy? Speed of follow-up shots? Terminal performance? External ballistics? Rifle weight? Ammo weight? Ease of optics mounting? Ammo selection? Trigger pull? There’s nothing wrong with using one. But if I were starting from scratch and wanted to acquire a deer-capable rifle, there’s no way I would limit myself to a lever-gun. There are too many other more versatile designs out there that out class the lever gun in most of those qualities. In this day and age, I think lever guns are clearly relegated to the fun gun niche. I’ll snatch one up if the deal is right just to expand my collection, but it isn’t like i’m ever looking through the gun safe and find myself saying “I really need a lever gun for this application”. It’s been rendered obsolete. |
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Posted: 2/13/2018 9:26:52 PM EDT
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I didn't realize my 30-30 lever gun was so obsolete. Somebody should alert everyone else that you need a bolt gun that shoots 500 yards or an AR with a 10+ mag. I guess deer have gotten much stronger over the years as now it's barely capable. I'd like to see a bolt gun get on target and put as many rounds down field as a lever gun in the same amount of time. Gets the job done better is all relative.
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Posted: 2/13/2018 9:29:14 PM EDT
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It's OK that it's not popular anymore. Better lever options exist. Like the 45-70
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Posted: 2/13/2018 9:31:27 PM EDT
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The venerable 30/30 has been supplanted by the.
AR15 Go figure. |
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Posted: 2/13/2018 9:34:44 PM EDT
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Did people stop shooting .30 carbine because ammo started getting scarce, or did production stop because there was no appreciable demand? Ammo sales should reflect high usage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dont sell a ton of 30/30 rifles at work , but always sell a shit load of 30-30 ammo every fall Guns are durable goods, so gun sales do not reliably approximate the fielded population. Look at .30 Carbine Ammo sales should reflect high usage. The market for .30-30 will eventually shrink as production in guns chambered in it shrink and it has and is being eclipsed by other rifles and other cartridges. |
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Posted: 2/13/2018 9:37:36 PM EDT
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I don't hunt, but when one (70's vintage Winchester 94) came into the LGS used I thought I should have a traditional American "deer rifle." I think I paid a little over $200 for it.
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Posted: 2/13/2018 9:37:43 PM EDT
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It's OK that it's not popular anymore. Better lever options exist. Like the 45-70 |
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Posted: 2/13/2018 9:38:36 PM EDT
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I don't hunt, but when one (70's vintage Winchester 94) came into the LGS used I thought I should have a traditional American "deer rifle." I think I paid a little over $200 for it.
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Posted: 2/13/2018 9:45:46 PM EDT
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The 30-30 has taken a beating because you can buy a promo bolt gun with a scope already on it cheaper than a lever with no scope. Plus you have a round that shoots flat farther. Young guys don’t see the sense in a lever gun any more.
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Posted: 2/13/2018 9:47:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some people like to recover some of the deer... Isn't everyone here a super duper recon sniper that just makes head shots? |
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Posted: 2/13/2018 9:48:54 PM EDT
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Young guys don’t see the sense in a lever gun any more. |
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Posted: 2/13/2018 9:49:37 PM EDT
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Lever guns were the AR of their day, new designed and changed the dynamics of both war and hunting, there are millions of them out there, so they will always be with us. Technology has progressed but without those guys who designed the new repeating rifle, we might be living with different guns these days.
In the dense woods for deer hunting there will always be a place for the lever actions rifles. |
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Posted: 2/13/2018 9:53:16 PM EDT
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I didn't realize my 30-30 lever gun was so obsolete. Somebody should alert everyone else that you need a bolt gun that shoots 500 yards or an AR with a 10+ mag. I guess deer have gotten much stronger over the years as now it's barely capable. I'd like to see a bolt gun get on target and put as many rounds down field as a lever gun in the same amount of time. Gets the job done better is all relative. |
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Posted: 2/13/2018 9:53:32 PM EDT
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I for one, love levers.
Rossi, Marlin, Winchester or Henry.. Have some of each |
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Posted: 2/13/2018 9:55:33 PM EDT
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Mine is a hand me down Winchester 94 from 1949. There have been lots of deer taken with it by my family but when I head out into the woods during November I grab my .300BLK AR. The new might be old some day lol
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Posted: 2/13/2018 9:59:44 PM EDT
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I have a loaded lever action at home that is specifically for home defense. Depending on your use of the term "young guys". I have had it like that in my house since I was 25 or 26. |
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Posted: 2/13/2018 10:00:17 PM EDT
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Real men dig 30-30s. Factory 16" guns are even better.
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Posted: 2/13/2018 10:16:04 PM EDT
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The market for .30 Carbine shrank.... it was eclipsed by 5.56x45mm and 7.62x39mm. The market has been shrinking. Name what rifle other than the few reproduction M1 Carbines and Ruger Revolvers chambered in .30 Carbine. The market for .30-30 will eventually shrink as production in guns chambered in it shrink and it has and is being eclipsed by other rifles and other cartridges. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dont sell a ton of 30/30 rifles at work , but always sell a shit load of 30-30 ammo every fall Guns are durable goods, so gun sales do not reliably approximate the fielded population. Look at .30 Carbine Ammo sales should reflect high usage. The market for .30-30 will eventually shrink as production in guns chambered in it shrink and it has and is being eclipsed by other rifles and other cartridges. In the realm of slinging lead to kill things, there are only so many meaningful divisions to accomplish the task. .30-30 and lever guns admirably meet the demands of a very popular spot in that ballistic continuum. Until a major paradigm shift upsets the mature industry of cartridge firearms, .30-30 will never be obsolete. Even then, note that muzzleloaders are not extinct. |
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Posted: 2/13/2018 11:07:52 PM EDT
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The market for .30 Carbine shrank.... it was eclipsed by 5.56x45mm and 7.62x39mm. The market has been shrinking. Name what rifle other than the few reproduction M1 Carbines and Ruger Revolvers chambered in .30 Carbine. The market for .30-30 will eventually shrink as production in guns chambered in it shrink and it has and is being eclipsed by other rifles and other cartridges. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dont sell a ton of 30/30 rifles at work , but always sell a shit load of 30-30 ammo every fall Guns are durable goods, so gun sales do not reliably approximate the fielded population. Look at .30 Carbine Ammo sales should reflect high usage. The market for .30-30 will eventually shrink as production in guns chambered in it shrink and it has and is being eclipsed by other rifles and other cartridges. I love .30 Carbine. I find it to be a very enjoyable cartridge. I have a USGI carbine, a re-pro, and a Blackhawk. I want a S&W L-frame or GP-100 chambered in it. If Smith or Ruger announced that on social media tonight, I’d put my name down for one tomorrow. I’m also keeping my eyes peeled for a Marlin Levermatic. The AMTs seem to be too spendy relative to their quality, but I wouldn’t mind grabbing one of those, too. There’s probably other neat stuff that could be chambered in .30 Carbine that I’ve never thought of. If someone made it available at the right intersection of price and quality, I’d probably buy it. But I’m not buying it because they’re not selling it. |
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Posted: 2/13/2018 11:23:20 PM EDT
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I had revolvers in .30 carbine (Ruger Blackhawks) and all I can say is that it is a punishing round to fire from a handgun. Possibly the loudest handgun cartridge I've ever fired. |
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Posted: 2/13/2018 11:36:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty much this. When 7.62x39 and others give similar performance in a much more useful package, the days of the .30-30 are numbered. Same thing with lever actions.  
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Posted: 2/13/2018 11:40:19 PM EDT
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I wouldn't call it dead, but I also wouldn't call it popular. Lots of modern caliber and rifle choosings to choose from anymore. States like mine (Ohio) that now allow straight walled cartridges for deer hunting sure made 45-70 (and lever actions in general) popular in my region again! I went .44mag myself.
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Posted: 2/13/2018 11:42:28 PM EDT
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I grew up with a marlin 30-30. Around 10-12 yrs ago I switched to an AR shooting 62 grain Federal fusions. It’s lighter(we do a lot of walking), I like the ergonomics better, and it stays in a quick access safe next to my bed the other 11 months of the year as a HD option.
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Posted: 2/13/2018 11:43:11 PM EDT
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It’s not as popular bc the new age fudd buys an AR in 6.8/6.5 he shoots once a year for deer season. Then you have the hard core plinkers that want to loose many hundreds of rounds of ammo down into a desert valley somewhere at some rocks using their explorer hood as a rest. You can’t do that with a 30-30 now can you?
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Posted: 2/13/2018 11:44:41 PM EDT
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I won't ever sell my M94, but I don't shoot it much either.
I wish they would work them into Cowboy matches with full power loads. |
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Posted: 2/13/2018 11:49:15 PM EDT
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I’ll take a .35 Rem, .35 Whelen or a .30-06 over the .30-30. In lever guns, I like the .444 and the .300 Savage. |
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Posted: 2/13/2018 11:55:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then you have the hard core plinkers that want to loose many hundreds of rounds of ammo down into a desert valley somewhere at some rocks using their explorer hood as a rest. You can’t do that with a 30-30 now can you? |
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Posted: 2/13/2018 11:56:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't forget the 7 Mag craze ! |
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Posted: 2/13/2018 11:57:06 PM EDT
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It's still popular in Tx and Ok.
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Posted: 2/13/2018 11:59:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I did. With bullets cast on my back patio, my .30-30 rounds cost about the same as Tula .223. 2-4 boxes of full-power cast reloads makes for a great afternoon of shooting, and leverguns let you pace yourself more easily than ARs. |
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Posted: 2/14/2018 12:55:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All the way until the debut of the M1 carbine, I'd argue. My only defensive rifle was a .30-30 Marlin up until I built an AR last spring. I used it on informal run-and-gun courses with buddies, and pretty well matched their ARs provided the round counts were kept realistic (10 rounds per run, give or take). So whenever you artificially limit one of the primary advantages of the AR, the lever gun can hang with it? Amiright? The first rule of being in a gun fight is to have a gun. A lever gun checks that box. But beyond that, it’s obsolete in every way. Would I rather have a lever gun than no gun or a single shot? Sure. But there is no situation which might present itself where the first gun out of my safe is going to be a lever gun. It just isn’t. Today’s autoloaders are every bit if not more accurate, reload faster, shoot faster, and are actually so close in weight that that doesn’t matter. I mean, there’s a reason the box magazine reigns supreme and there’s a reason we have settled in with 30-ish round magazines as standard. If all you have is a lever gun, then by all means use it fully. But any assertion that a lever gun can hang with a modern autoloader past the first trigger pull is just crazy talk. Sure, in some scenarios it may only take 1 shot. But if you favor the lever gun over a single shot for the possibility that more than one shot may be necessary, then that’s actually a tacit admission that the lever gun is obsolete, too. |
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Posted: 2/14/2018 1:31:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Realistic? What is realistic about limiting an AR to 10 rounds? So whenever you artificially limit one of the primary advantages of the AR, the lever gun can hang with it? Amiright? The first rule of being in a gun fight is to have a gun. A lever gun checks that box. But beyond that, it’s obsolete in every way. Would I rather have a lever gun than no gun or a single shot? Sure. But there is no situation which might present itself where the first gun out of my safe is going to be a lever gun. It just isn’t. Today’s autoloaders are every bit if not more accurate, reload faster, shoot faster, and are actually so close in weight that that doesn’t matter. I mean, there’s a reason the box magazine reigns supreme and there’s a reason we have settled in with 30-ish round magazines as standard. If all you have is a lever gun, then by all means use it fully. But any assertion that a lever gun can hang with a modern autoloader past the first trigger pull is just crazy talk. Sure, in some scenarios it may only take 1 shot. But if you favor the lever gun over a single shot for the possibility that more than one shot may be necessary, then that’s actually a tacit admission that the lever gun is obsolete, too. I hate to break it to you, but overwhelming volume of fire is rarely needed in a civilian or LE context. Unless I need precision or longer effective range, I'm probably reaching for the shotgun or .30-30. ARs have their purpose, but are not the end-all solution envisioned by many folks on this site. |
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Posted: 2/14/2018 7:47:59 AM EDT
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I won't ever sell my M94, but I don't shoot it much either. I wish they would work them into Cowboy matches with full power loads. |
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Posted: 2/14/2018 7:50:08 AM EDT
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I disagree. It's pretty fun to rack a lever and let em fly. They just don't hold as many rounds usually. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I did. With bullets cast on my back patio, my .30-30 rounds cost about the same as Tula .223. 2-4 boxes of full-power cast reloads makes for a great afternoon of shooting, and leverguns let you pace yourself more easily than ARs. Just takes forever to reload. 
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Posted: 2/14/2018 8:22:53 AM EDT
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I live in a popular deer hunting area and have hunted for 45 years. I have never seen anyone in the woods with an ar. I used to still hunt with a 30 30 with no sling. Killed alot of big deer that way. It was always ready. They are great guns for still hunting but most people are tree stand hunters now.
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Posted: 2/14/2018 8:39:25 AM EDT
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Henry lever with .22 Shorts is the answer to that. Just takes forever to reload. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/14/2018 9:00:35 AM EDT
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Define best. Magazine capacity? Accuracy? Speed of follow-up shots? Terminal performance? External ballistics? Rifle weight? Ammo weight? Ease of optics mounting? Ammo selection? Trigger pull? There’s nothing wrong with using one. But if I were starting from scratch and wanted to acquire a deer-capable rifle, there’s no way I would limit myself to a lever-gun. There are too many other more versatile designs out there that out class the lever gun in most of those qualities. In this day and age, I think lever guns are clearly relegated to the fun gun niche. I’ll snatch one up if the deal is right just to expand my collection, but it isn’t like i’m ever looking through the gun safe and find myself saying “I really need a lever gun for this application”. It’s been rendered obsolete. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They get a lot of hate for some reason. They are one of the best deer rifles you can buy though if you are shooting under 200 yards. Magazine capacity? Accuracy? Speed of follow-up shots? Terminal performance? External ballistics? Rifle weight? Ammo weight? Ease of optics mounting? Ammo selection? Trigger pull? There’s nothing wrong with using one. But if I were starting from scratch and wanted to acquire a deer-capable rifle, there’s no way I would limit myself to a lever-gun. There are too many other more versatile designs out there that out class the lever gun in most of those qualities. In this day and age, I think lever guns are clearly relegated to the fun gun niche. I’ll snatch one up if the deal is right just to expand my collection, but it isn’t like i’m ever looking through the gun safe and find myself saying “I really need a lever gun for this application”. It’s been rendered obsolete. For me that is, lightweight, fixed mag (no chance of losing it in the woods), compact and easy to carry (lever guns are typically shorter than bolt guns), hard hitting with off the shelf ammo, very comfortable to sit or walk with and easy to aim. The only gun that I like hunting with more than my 30-30 is an AR, but NY fucked that all up for me. It's a great balance of size, weight, and power on your average whitetail. I've never missed or lost a deer with mine, you hit them in the boiler room and the flop right over. |
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Posted: 2/14/2018 9:50:47 AM EDT
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The lever action checks all the boxes needed to hunt deer under 200 yards. There’s nothing wrong with hunting deer with a lever gun. It does the job. But when the question becomes which gun does the job best, the lever gun isn’t the answer...particularly if it’s a tube feed design. I have no hate for the lever gun. And I can even understand the love to the extent that it’s based on a historic/nostalgic sentimentality. But I can’t go along with trying to pretend that it’s anything more than an interesting chapter in the history of firearms development that became technologically obsolete once the technology of auto loading was solved. Hence, I consider it a fun gun. |
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Posted: 2/14/2018 9:51:43 AM EDT
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I didn't realize my 30-30 lever gun was so obsolete. Somebody should alert everyone else that you need a bolt gun that shoots 500 yards or an AR with a 10+ mag. I guess deer have gotten much stronger over the years as now it's barely capable. I'd like to see a bolt gun get on target and put as many rounds down field as a lever gun in the same amount of time. Gets the job done better is all relative. |
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Posted: 2/14/2018 9:57:22 AM EDT
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My ability to take game animals doesn't revolve around the ability to sling lead down range as quickly as possible. A semi auto is better at that anyhow. Last falls deer was taken at 380 yards with a .308 bolt gun. I have no use for a 30-30. There's nothing it does better than a comparable semi auto. |
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Posted: 2/14/2018 9:58:47 AM EDT
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Ruger made a neat little 17 HMR lever gun that was rotary mag fed.
Had one in my hands and was too dumb to see it for what it was and didn't purchase. Dang that was dumb. |
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Posted: 2/14/2018 9:59:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Obsolete does not mean inadequate. No reason to be insulted. |
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Posted: 2/14/2018 10:03:32 AM EDT
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There’s a difference in being adequate at something and being the best at something...which is what the post I quoted said. |
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Posted: 2/14/2018 10:03:57 AM EDT
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Eventually, yes, but the staggering volume of guns produced in the chambering, the general well-rounded utility of the round and its weapons, and the overall conservatism of gun owners guarantees it will be a long and slow decline. In comparison, .30 carbine is a blip on the radar, disadvantaged by its short service span (both round and weapons), and inferior general utility. The entire rise and decline of the .30 carbine is contained well within the ongoing lifespan of .30 WCF. In the realm of slinging lead to kill things, there are only so many meaningful divisions to accomplish the task. .30-30 and lever guns admirably meet the demands of a very popular spot in that ballistic continuum. Until a major paradigm shift upsets the mature industry of cartridge firearms, .30-30 will never be obsolete. Even then, note that muzzleloaders are not extinct. Can I drill a hole effectively with my old Skil drill? Yes. It runs like a champ. Are there situations where having to be within so many feet of a socket imposes no practical limitation on me? Sure. But even if I am just drilling one hole right next to a socket, i’m still more likely to grab my cordless drill. Why be tethered to a socket when I don’t need to be? Obsolete does not mean useless. But would any of us tell a guy who is just now building up his tool kit to make sure his first drill is a corded one? |
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Posted: 2/14/2018 10:04:10 AM EDT
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I don't know anyone who's purchased a NEW 30-30 in this century. Just about everyone I know has an AR or 5. 
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Posted: 2/14/2018 10:06:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s as obsolete as the corded drill is. Can I drill a hole effectively with my old Skil drill? Yes. It runs like a champ. Are there situations where having to be within so many feet of a socket imposes no practical limitation on me? Sure. But even if I am just drilling one hole right next to a socket, i’m still more likely to grab my cordless drill. Why be tethered to a socket when I don’t need to be? Obsolete does not mean useless. But would any of us tell a guy who is just now building up his tool kit to make sure his first drill is a corded one? Might as well get rid of bolt guns then since it's all AR's now. |
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Posted: 2/14/2018 10:11:53 AM EDT
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There’s a difference in being adequate at something and being the best at something...which is what the post I quoted said. There’s nothing wrong with hunting deer with a lever gun. It does the job. But when the question becomes which gun does the job best, the lever gun isn’t the answer...particularly if it’s a tube feed design. I have no hate for the lever gun. And I can even understand the love to the extent that it’s based on a historic/nostalgic sentimentality. But I can’t go along with trying to pretend that it’s anything more than an interesting chapter in the history of firearms development that became technologically obsolete once the technology of auto loading was solved. Hence, I consider it a fun gun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The lever action checks all the boxes needed to hunt deer under 200 yards. There’s nothing wrong with hunting deer with a lever gun. It does the job. But when the question becomes which gun does the job best, the lever gun isn’t the answer...particularly if it’s a tube feed design. I have no hate for the lever gun. And I can even understand the love to the extent that it’s based on a historic/nostalgic sentimentality. But I can’t go along with trying to pretend that it’s anything more than an interesting chapter in the history of firearms development that became technologically obsolete once the technology of auto loading was solved. Hence, I consider it a fun gun. |
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Posted: 2/14/2018 10:14:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I did. With bullets cast on my back patio, my .30-30 rounds cost about the same as Tula .223. 2-4 boxes of full-power cast reloads makes for a great afternoon of shooting, and leverguns let you pace yourself more easily than ARs. And an afternoon of shooting is limited to 40-80 rounds? Because you need obsolete technology to make you shoot slower? Man, that is a straight up BS justification. 
What is this phenomenon with gun guys where they feel the need to justify something as necessary rather than just accepting that it’s enjoyable? Dude, all you have to say is “I enjoy shooting my lever guns.” No further justification is needed. But these nonsensical arguments that try and prop up the lever gun as a need rather than a want... |
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Posted: 2/14/2018 10:16:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you have to spend time reloading to get the cost down to what someone else pays to walk into a store and be done with it in 5 minutes? Not to mention leading in your bore. And an afternoon of shooting is limited to 40-80 rounds? Because you need obsolete technology to make you shoot slower? Man, that is a straight up BS justification.
What is this phenomenon with gun guys where they feel the need to justify something as necessary rather than just accepting that it’s enjoyable? Dude, all you have to say is “I enjoy shooting my lever guns.” No further justification is needed. But these nonsensical arguments that try and prop up the lever gun as a need rather than a want... nonsensical?
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Posted: 2/14/2018 10:26:59 AM EDT
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It’s as obsolete as the corded drill is. Can I drill a hole effectively with my old Skil drill? Yes. It runs like a champ. Are there situations where having to be within so many feet of a socket imposes no practical limitation on me? Sure. But even if I am just drilling one hole right next to a socket, i’m still more likely to grab my cordless drill. Why be tethered to a socket when I don’t need to be? Obsolete does not mean useless. But would any of us tell a guy who is just now building up his tool kit to make sure his first drill is a corded one? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Eventually, yes, but the staggering volume of guns produced in the chambering, the general well-rounded utility of the round and its weapons, and the overall conservatism of gun owners guarantees it will be a long and slow decline. In comparison, .30 carbine is a blip on the radar, disadvantaged by its short service span (both round and weapons), and inferior general utility. The entire rise and decline of the .30 carbine is contained well within the ongoing lifespan of .30 WCF. In the realm of slinging lead to kill things, there are only so many meaningful divisions to accomplish the task. .30-30 and lever guns admirably meet the demands of a very popular spot in that ballistic continuum. Until a major paradigm shift upsets the mature industry of cartridge firearms, .30-30 will never be obsolete. Even then, note that muzzleloaders are not extinct. Can I drill a hole effectively with my old Skil drill? Yes. It runs like a champ. Are there situations where having to be within so many feet of a socket imposes no practical limitation on me? Sure. But even if I am just drilling one hole right next to a socket, i’m still more likely to grab my cordless drill. Why be tethered to a socket when I don’t need to be? Obsolete does not mean useless. But would any of us tell a guy who is just now building up his tool kit to make sure his first drill is a corded one? |
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