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Posted: 9/23/2021 7:41:29 PM EDT
[#1]
Only 1 photo and it's a common one found on google. Either this seller is like the EE fudds selling $1000s of stuff without pics, or a scammer.
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Posted: 9/23/2021 7:42:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm pretty sure Russian military equipment is the closest thing to a bare bones pickup there is. The AN-2 is the most Soviet plane ever built. 
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Posted: 9/23/2021 7:42:46 PM EDT
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Quoted: Mig 29s https://www.trade-a-plane.com/search?category_level1=Jets&make=MIKOYAN&model=MIG+29&listing_id=2391481&s-type=aircraft 4x low-time MiG-29s for sale. One MiG-29 UB (2-seat) Fulcrum is flyable and has FAA experimental AW cert and N-number (~820 hrs TTSN), another Fulcrum UB can be made flyable easily (2-seat, ~800 hrs TTSN, must be uncrated & assembled), and two UAs (single seat) are parts birds. Asking $5.6M for all 4 aircraft and parts, $4.5M for each flyable MiG. Includes 4x engines (2 engines still in original sealed shipping containers) 2x Slotback 1 RADARs, 2x IRST systems, hot ejection seats. MX/Flt Logs included, no damage history. Which arfom millionare's gonna ante up on this one?  No second-owner Blackhawks on there? |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 7:43:37 PM EDT
[#4]
I've worked on enough Soviet stuff to not want one of those.
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Posted: 9/23/2021 7:47:21 PM EDT
[#5]
Red flag "rentals?"
I'm guessing the US hired the owner to play the adversary in exercises. Wonder if/why that revenue stream dried up? |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 7:48:57 PM EDT
[#6]
Thanks for the info. I will get right on that after I bid on Johnny Ramone's Venture Mosrite.
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Posted: 9/23/2021 7:49:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll take 2. Worst ARF faux pas post evar.  |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 7:49:39 PM EDT
[#8]
Would be better if they were F-15s and came with hellfire missiles.
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Posted: 9/23/2021 7:50:41 PM EDT
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Does anyone else think it would be a scream to go buzz around the legal limits of the local air guard base with one of these? Or just show up at that big red flag fighter jet exercise and see if anyone notices? It wouldn’t be any fun if you weren’t ruffling feathers.
That and would it be legal to have dummy missiles installed on the pylons? |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 7:51:25 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How does one acquire 4 Migs in the first place? In a trade for US uranium with Hillary. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 7:54:41 PM EDT
[#11]
You should probably be part of the "tres commas club" if you want to buy and actually use those.
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:00:49 PM EDT
[#12]
Main I can barely land one of those in DCS fuck IRL
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:05:14 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: how tf do you even buy stuff like that in the first place lol. Ask Dave Gilmour… |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:11:32 PM EDT
[#14]
That billionaire that flew with SpaceX last week may buy the lot for 5.6m. Would be great additions to his stable of SAABs and F18s.
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:14:56 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably about a grand an hour to fly it. DOC is higher than that for sure, a lot higher. Years ago we (company) bought a crated Gazelle, it was a ton of fun and one of the fastest and most maneuverable helicopters I have ever flown but my god it was a headache. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:20:52 PM EDT
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Just a quick comment and question here. There have been a few threads here where posters have stated Mig-29 has a poor combat record. Any truth to this?
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:22:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would be better if they were F-15s and came with hellfire missiles. That would be useless. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:24:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just a quick comment and question here. There have been a few threads here where posters have stated Mig-29 has a poor combat record. Any truth to this? Well the only real combat they saw was outnumbered 100:1 vs the USAF in Desert storm and the balkans. So yeah rather obviously they died. More interestingly the Ex E german ones fought in excercises vs vipers and f18s and did quite well. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:25:48 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've worked on enough Soviet stuff to not want one of those. 
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:26:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think Tom Cruise should buy it. That would be cool. I was just thinking, "which Scientologist will buy them, Cruise or Travolta"? Travolta's got room for it after donating his Boeing. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:28:35 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That would be useless. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Would be better if they were F-15s and came with hellfire missiles. That would be useless. 
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:28:58 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well the only real combat they saw was outnumbered 100:1 vs the USAF in Desert storm and the balkans. So yeah rather obviously they died. More interestingly the Ex E german ones fought in excercises vs vipers and f18s and did quite well. Back before we had the 9X, their AA11 Archer was wicked. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:30:19 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably about a grand an hour to fly it. So like a mid range escort? I'll take the MiG and use my hand. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:31:24 PM EDT
[#24]
That site has a really good looking mostly complete Mig21 that’s been hanger lepta for 20yrs for $39,000 that’s cool.
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:31:33 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Back before we had the 9X, their AA11 Archer was wicked. Yup, as "crude" as it reputedly was their HMCS was highly effective WVR. So relevant in the 80s, but once vipers and hornets got aamrams, well game over. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:32:47 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That site has a really good looking mostly complete Mig21 that’s been hanger lepta for 20yrs for $39,000 that’s cool. Be cool to see someone use that on the airshow circuit. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:34:24 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The key to flying one of those is you have to think in Russian. Drink vodka? |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:34:27 PM EDT
[#28]
If I won a big lottery, I'd go I to tank and fighter jet restoration.
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:35:47 PM EDT
[#29]
I’ve seen the AirUSA 2 Mig-29s a couple times land for fuel on the other end of their range at out local airport. Very distinctive engine sound.
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:39:52 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just a quick comment and question here. There have been a few threads here where posters have stated Mig-29 has a poor combat record. Any truth to this?  Ethiopian-Eritrean losses were shootdowns by Su-27s, iirc. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:40:10 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well the only real combat they saw was outnumbered 100:1 vs the USAF in Desert storm and the balkans. So yeah rather obviously they died. More interestingly the Ex E german ones fought in excercises vs vipers and f18s and did quite well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just a quick comment and question here. There have been a few threads here where posters have stated Mig-29 has a poor combat record. Any truth to this? Well the only real combat they saw was outnumbered 100:1 vs the USAF in Desert storm and the balkans. So yeah rather obviously they died. More interestingly the Ex E german ones fought in excercises vs vipers and f18s and did quite well. East Germany was a scary Warsaw Pact opponent if shit ever turned sideways back then, methinks. I'm talking ground forces as well. It has also been said that East Germany was probably USSR's most loyal ally. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:42:32 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When the Soviet Union broke up, they were for sale @ $100k each with 2 spare crated engines. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: how tf do you even buy stuff like that in the first place lol. Mig 29s weren't as they were fairly new at the time. But Mig 21s could be found for that. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:43:22 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Main I can barely land one of those in DCS fuck IRL Lol. It's not that hard. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:44:19 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: East Germany was a scary Warsaw Pact opponent if shit ever turned sideways back then, methinks. I'm talking ground forces as well. It has also been said that East Germany was probably USSR's most loyal ally. More commie than the commies themselves. 'Ing germans. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:47:19 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably about a grand an hour to fly it. Waaayyyyy more. A Bell Jet Ranger helicopter is around $1500 and that involves easy to find parts for your maintenance program and nowhere near the fuel burn. On top of that, you would essentially need full time maintainers just like the Russian airforce had. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:47:21 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I bet it would be $10k an hour or damn close to it. Maintenance costs on those are going to be astronomical. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I agree. Just how much cash would it set you back to fly one of those things for an hour. Anyone know? I bet it would be $10k an hour or damn close to it. Maintenance costs on those are going to be astronomical. $10k is a pretty good guess. That's what NASA used to pay per flight hour for their leased F-104 time back in the late 90's. That was an all in number back then including paying the pilot, some markup for overhead, and some profit. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:47:31 PM EDT
[#37]
Thinking about it, if I had MIG-29 money, I'd waste it to force a Form 1 DD surface to air missile on the ATF.
Actually building one with some discrimination as to most jamming sources is possible with UV sensing and an excess of the shelf processing power. The pain is having to sue them to force it, and possibly failing. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:47:56 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How does one acquire 4 Migs in the first place? By selling services to the USAF and Navy as an Aggressor Squadron. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:52:21 PM EDT
[#39]
We have 2 or 3 L-39s parked at the Quincy IL airport. ???? Kirlin restores / rebuilds them leases them back to DOD for training.
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:54:17 PM EDT
[#40]
Which color?
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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:54:52 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thinking about it, if I had MIG-29 money, I'd waste it to force a Form 1 DD surface to air missile on the ATF. Actually building one with some discrimination as to most jamming sources is possible with UV sensing and an excess of the shelf processing power. The pain is having to sue them to force it, and possibly failing. Bruh, if you have MiG-29 money.... you pay other people to sue them for you and possibly fail. Either way, you don't give a fuck because you're going to fly at lunch and go get that $12,000 hamburger. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 9:36:19 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably about a grand an hour to fly it. You need a lot of educating about fighter jet operating costs. It cost over $5k/hr to operate a Phantom 30 years ago. Today an F-18E/F, the most similar US fighter to a Mig-29 costs over $11k/hr to operate and projected costs go up to $32k/hr. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 9:38:16 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You need a lot of educating about fighter jet operating costs. It cost over $5k/hr to operate a Phantom 30 years ago. Today an F-18E/F, the most similar US fighter to a Mig-29 costs over $11k/hr to operate and projected costs go up to $32k/hr. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Probably about a grand an hour to fly it. You need a lot of educating about fighter jet operating costs. It cost over $5k/hr to operate a Phantom 30 years ago. Today an F-18E/F, the most similar US fighter to a Mig-29 costs over $11k/hr to operate and projected costs go up to $32k/hr. Yup, I'm a poor dude. I can't afford it.
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Posted: 9/23/2021 9:39:48 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why u no like slotted screws?! |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 9:40:44 PM EDT
[#45]
but who's gonna fly it kid, you ?
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Posted: 9/23/2021 9:41:54 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: but who's gonna fly it kid, you ? You bet I could! I'm not such a bad pilot myself. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 9:43:06 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: but who's gonna fly it kid, you ? I understood that reference.  |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 9:43:27 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup, I'm a poor dude. I can't afford it. I'm rich enough to afford a Google search for fighter operating costs to tell me I'm really poor. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 9:44:56 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You bet I could! I'm not such a bad pilot myself. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: but who's gonna fly it kid, you ? You bet I could! I'm not such a bad pilot myself. We can pay you ten thousand now, plus fifteen when we get to Alderaan! |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 9:46:36 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm rich enough to afford a Google search for fighter operating costs to tell me I'm really poor. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yup, I'm a poor dude. I can't afford it. I'm rich enough to afford a Google search for fighter operating costs to tell me I'm really poor. Well maybe I didn't think to Google it. Break my balls.... 
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