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Posted: 6/30/2024 4:50:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clickclickBOOM: PDWs! I’ll play! This is my grey man setup in my vehicle for my everyday commute and short trips to a larger, more violent city. I’m not realistically going to wear my full battle rattle, Level 4 plate carrier, battle belt, and AR in any possible scenarios that I think could happen in my area of operations (AO). I believe the local deputies would probably shoot first and ask questions later if they saw me wearing all that. I’ve chosen to keep a simple, lightweight setup in a secure armored area that I can open with the click of a button in the back of my vehicle. It would take time and a metal saw to access it otherwise. My normal everyday carry is a G43X MOS with three 15-round mags. My grab-and-go grey man setup includes a racket bag and a small sling bag, which is all anyone would see walking down the street. They contain a PS90 with the latest generation illuminated ring sight, seven mags (350 rounds) and an M&P 5.7 with four mags (89 rounds). The 5.7x28mm ammo is a mix of mags loaded with SS192, SS197, SS198, T6B, and Vanguard Fangs. I plan to test the new CD ammo that’s showing promise when I can get my hands on some. 2 smoke grenades One everyday armor t-shirt with Level 3A panels (front and back)—better than nothing Normal bag contents: earplugs, multitool, boo-boo kit with 2 tourniquets, clot gauze, 2 chest seals, a small emergency bag of water, light stick, gun oil wipes and a pull-through, and extra batteries I’m always alone during my commute, so I wanted a setup that is very light and gives my weapons 485 rounds of endurance. I think on the slim chance I’ll ever need it, it will be useful to help me escape a trouble spot and deter anyone chasing me. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_6021-3254486.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_6016-3254491.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_6019-3254487.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_6018-3254489.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_5890-3236902.jpg I like your setup. Are you using the full barrel length or are you packing around a SBR? |
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Posted: 6/30/2024 5:13:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By feudist: The "Cheek Pistol" concept has been around for a while now. Using a variant of the old IMHSA "Taco hold" Rhett Neumayer has promulgated this in several different platforms from CP-33s, MP5 pistols, MP9s to AR pistols. You get three points of contact and a very compressed profile, even more than with a very short SBR. It sidesteps the Brace issue completely. Gun Jesus and Lucky Gunner have both done pieces on this. Here's a guy writing about using a 5.7 Ruger Charger in that role. https://content.osgnetworks.tv/photopacks/ruger-lc-charger-57x28-cheek-pistol_482613/482619_ruger-lc-charger-5-7x28-cheek-pistol-vs-06_hero_1200x800.jpg I've fired my MP15/22 this way and it's very fast and accurate. I've also mocked one up out of an old Umarex MP9 and played with it around the house. It seems very intuitive and usable. This guy used one in Airsoft and Go-Proed it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk9tshT17VU&list=PLF5CB7A56A7191748&ab_channel=blobworksbits I keep saying I'm going to set up a 22 Charger or get a MP15/22P and wring it out like that... |
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Posted: 6/30/2024 5:35:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clickclickBOOM: PDWs! I’ll play! This is my grey man setup in my vehicle for my everyday commute and short trips to a larger, more violent city. I’m not realistically going to wear my full battle rattle, Level 4 plate carrier, battle belt, and AR in any possible scenarios that I think could happen in my area of operations (AO). I believe the local deputies would probably shoot first and ask questions later if they saw me wearing all that. I’ve chosen to keep a simple, lightweight setup in a secure armored area that I can open with the click of a button in the back of my vehicle. It would take time and a metal saw to access it otherwise. My normal everyday carry is a G43X MOS with three 15-round mags. My grab-and-go grey man setup includes a racket bag and a small sling bag, which is all anyone would see walking down the street. They contain a PS90 with the latest generation illuminated ring sight, seven mags (350 rounds) and an M&P 5.7 with four mags (89 rounds). The 5.7x28mm ammo is a mix of mags loaded with SS192, SS197, SS198, T6B, and Vanguard Fangs. I plan to test the new CD ammo that’s showing promise when I can get my hands on some. 2 smoke grenades One everyday armor t-shirt with Level 3A panels (front and back)—better than nothing Normal bag contents: earplugs, multitool, boo-boo kit with 2 tourniquets, clot gauze, 2 chest seals, a small emergency bag of water, light stick, gun oil wipes and a pull-through, and extra batteries I’m always alone during my commute, so I wanted a setup that is very light and gives my weapons 485 rounds of endurance. I think on the slim chance I’ll ever need it, it will be useful to help me escape a trouble spot and deter anyone chasing me. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_6021-3254486.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_6016-3254491.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_6019-3254487.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_6018-3254489.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_5890-3236902.jpg What’s the muzzle device? Im submitting my paperwork tomorrow to chop my Ps90 finally. Plan to run my sandman for now |
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Posted: 6/30/2024 5:54:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 20229mm: EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE (assuming no hearing protection) .300 Blk isn't going to be much better in a rattler sized package. Prepare to never hear rock music (or anything else) the same again. |
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Posted: 6/30/2024 5:59:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By feudist: The "Cheek Pistol" concept has been around for a while now. Using a variant of the old IMHSA "Taco hold" Rhett Neumayer has promulgated this in several different platforms from CP-33s, MP5 pistols, MP9s to AR pistols. You get three points of contact and a very compressed profile, even more than with a very short SBR. It sidesteps the Brace issue completely. Gun Jesus and Lucky Gunner have both done pieces on this. Here's a guy writing about using a 5.7 Ruger Charger in that role. https://content.osgnetworks.tv/photopacks/ruger-lc-charger-57x28-cheek-pistol_482613/482619_ruger-lc-charger-5-7x28-cheek-pistol-vs-06_hero_1200x800.jpg I've fired my MP15/22 this way and it's very fast and accurate. I've also mocked one up out of an old Umarex MP9 and played with it around the house. It seems very intuitive and usable. This guy used one in Airsoft and Go-Proed it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk9tshT17VU&list=PLF5CB7A56A7191748&ab_channel=blobworksbits I keep saying I'm going to set up a 22 Charger or get a MP15/22P and wring it out like that... I tried that last month with my 12 gauge Shockwave. Buckshot wasn't "too bad" but slugs were really unfun. Minishells were fine. I just need to practice more. |
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Posted: 6/30/2024 6:04:06 PM EST
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I have my PSA Dagger in the recover tactical brace. Makes it easy to hit man sized targets at 100 yards. Downside is it needs a dot on it to work.
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Posted: 6/30/2024 6:13:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunnie357: What’s the muzzle device? Im submitting my paperwork tomorrow to chop my Ps90 finally. Plan to run my sandman for now Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunnie357: Originally Posted By clickclickBOOM: PDWs! I’ll play! This is my grey man setup in my vehicle for my everyday commute and short trips to a larger, more violent city. I’m not realistically going to wear my full battle rattle, Level 4 plate carrier, battle belt, and AR in any possible scenarios that I think could happen in my area of operations (AO). I believe the local deputies would probably shoot first and ask questions later if they saw me wearing all that. I’ve chosen to keep a simple, lightweight setup in a secure armored area that I can open with the click of a button in the back of my vehicle. It would take time and a metal saw to access it otherwise. My normal everyday carry is a G43X MOS with three 15-round mags. My grab-and-go grey man setup includes a racket bag and a small sling bag, which is all anyone would see walking down the street. They contain a PS90 with the latest generation illuminated ring sight, seven mags (350 rounds) and an M&P 5.7 with four mags (89 rounds). The 5.7x28mm ammo is a mix of mags loaded with SS192, SS197, SS198, T6B, and Vanguard Fangs. I plan to test the new CD ammo that’s showing promise when I can get my hands on some. 2 smoke grenades One everyday armor t-shirt with Level 3A panels (front and back)—better than nothing Normal bag contents: earplugs, multitool, boo-boo kit with 2 tourniquets, clot gauze, 2 chest seals, a small emergency bag of water, light stick, gun oil wipes and a pull-through, and extra batteries I’m always alone during my commute, so I wanted a setup that is very light and gives my weapons 485 rounds of endurance. I think on the slim chance I’ll ever need it, it will be useful to help me escape a trouble spot and deter anyone chasing me. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_6021-3254486.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_6016-3254491.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_6019-3254487.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_6018-3254489.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_5890-3236902.jpg What’s the muzzle device? Im submitting my paperwork tomorrow to chop my Ps90 finally. Plan to run my sandman for now I went and looked at it again. It’s a fake suppressor. You remove the barrel shroud (pain unless you saw it off). And end up with about a 14” ish barrel. The PS90 does not have a true 16” barrel. Then you buy a new barrel shroud with the fake suppressor. Does not require to be made into a SBR. Looks better. But adds a bit of pointless weight to the barrel. Not sure if fake suppressor weight is any more then the stock fake shroud. My PS90 is SBR with a real suppressor and is all decked out. It would make an excellent PDW. If it was not for the fact that it cost a lot of money to creat it all and if it got stolen or taken after a self defense use… would Kida suck. |
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Posted: 6/30/2024 6:15:36 PM EST
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used to carry it in a 17" laptop bag, now it lives in the bottom of a cheap backpack. plus 3 pmag30.
10.5" with a Pantheon Arms Dolos. Cry Havoc wasn't available when I set this one up. looking at how fast muzzle energy and velocity drop off for 5.56 in shorter barrels as well as general performance of any pistol caliber the choice was pretty easy. 300blk supers ftw. 
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Posted: 6/30/2024 7:39:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ebolinux: I went and looked at it again. It’s a fake suppressor. You remove the barrel shroud (pain unless you saw it off). And end up with about a 14” ish barrel. The PS90 does not have a true 16” barrel. Then you buy a new barrel shroud with the fake suppressor. Does not require to be made into a SBR. Looks better. But adds a bit of pointless weight to the barrel. Not sure if fake suppressor weight is any more then the stock fake shroud. My PS90 is SBR with a real suppressor and is all decked out. It would make an excellent PDW. If it was not for the fact that it cost a lot of money to creat it all and if it got stolen or taken after a self defense use… would Kida suck. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ebolinux: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: Originally Posted By clickclickBOOM: PDWs! I’ll play! This is my grey man setup in my vehicle for my everyday commute and short trips to a larger, more violent city. I’m not realistically going to wear my full battle rattle, Level 4 plate carrier, battle belt, and AR in any possible scenarios that I think could happen in my area of operations (AO). I believe the local deputies would probably shoot first and ask questions later if they saw me wearing all that. I’ve chosen to keep a simple, lightweight setup in a secure armored area that I can open with the click of a button in the back of my vehicle. It would take time and a metal saw to access it otherwise. My normal everyday carry is a G43X MOS with three 15-round mags. My grab-and-go grey man setup includes a racket bag and a small sling bag, which is all anyone would see walking down the street. They contain a PS90 with the latest generation illuminated ring sight, seven mags (350 rounds) and an M&P 5.7 with four mags (89 rounds). The 5.7x28mm ammo is a mix of mags loaded with SS192, SS197, SS198, T6B, and Vanguard Fangs. I plan to test the new CD ammo that’s showing promise when I can get my hands on some. 2 smoke grenades One everyday armor t-shirt with Level 3A panels (front and back)—better than nothing Normal bag contents: earplugs, multitool, boo-boo kit with 2 tourniquets, clot gauze, 2 chest seals, a small emergency bag of water, light stick, gun oil wipes and a pull-through, and extra batteries I’m always alone during my commute, so I wanted a setup that is very light and gives my weapons 485 rounds of endurance. I think on the slim chance I’ll ever need it, it will be useful to help me escape a trouble spot and deter anyone chasing me. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_6021-3254486.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_6016-3254491.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_6019-3254487.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_6018-3254489.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_5890-3236902.jpg What’s the muzzle device? Im submitting my paperwork tomorrow to chop my Ps90 finally. Plan to run my sandman for now I went and looked at it again. It’s a fake suppressor. You remove the barrel shroud (pain unless you saw it off). And end up with about a 14” ish barrel. The PS90 does not have a true 16” barrel. Then you buy a new barrel shroud with the fake suppressor. Does not require to be made into a SBR. Looks better. But adds a bit of pointless weight to the barrel. Not sure if fake suppressor weight is any more then the stock fake shroud. My PS90 is SBR with a real suppressor and is all decked out. It would make an excellent PDW. If it was not for the fact that it cost a lot of money to creat it all and if it got stolen or taken after a self defense use… would Kida suck. I’m chopping mine to run a can. It would suck to loose but A. I have a spare and B it’s worth less to me then the lives it would protect. |
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Posted: 6/30/2024 11:30:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: clickclickBOOM]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ebolinux: I like your setup. Are you using the full barrel length or are you packing around a SBR? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ebolinux: Originally Posted By clickclickBOOM: PDWs! I’ll play! This is my grey man setup in my vehicle for my everyday commute and short trips to a larger, more violent city. I’m not realistically going to wear my full battle rattle, Level 4 plate carrier, battle belt, and AR in any possible scenarios that I think could happen in my area of operations (AO). I believe the local deputies would probably shoot first and ask questions later if they saw me wearing all that. I’ve chosen to keep a simple, lightweight setup in a secure armored area that I can open with the click of a button in the back of my vehicle. It would take time and a metal saw to access it otherwise. My normal everyday carry is a G43X MOS with three 15-round mags. My grab-and-go grey man setup includes a racket bag and a small sling bag, which is all anyone would see walking down the street. They contain a PS90 with the latest generation illuminated ring sight, seven mags (350 rounds) and an M&P 5.7 with four mags (89 rounds). The 5.7x28mm ammo is a mix of mags loaded with SS192, SS197, SS198, T6B, and Vanguard Fangs. I plan to test the new CD ammo that’s showing promise when I can get my hands on some. 2 smoke grenades One everyday armor t-shirt with Level 3A panels (front and back)—better than nothing Normal bag contents: earplugs, multitool, boo-boo kit with 2 tourniquets, clot gauze, 2 chest seals, a small emergency bag of water, light stick, gun oil wipes and a pull-through, and extra batteries I’m always alone during my commute, so I wanted a setup that is very light and gives my weapons 485 rounds of endurance. I think on the slim chance I’ll ever need it, it will be useful to help me escape a trouble spot and deter anyone chasing me. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_6021-3254486.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_6016-3254491.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_6019-3254487.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_6018-3254489.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_5890-3236902.jpg I like your setup. Are you using the full barrel length or are you packing around a SBR? Full length, because I go from Florida to Alabama frequently. An SBR PS90 would be nice, but wouldn’t work in my particular case. |
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Posted: 6/30/2024 11:35:06 PM EST
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My PDW/Truck gun is currently a Tavor style bullpup 12ga semi auto that takes 10rd detachable magazines and with a red dot. On the street at close range, around vehicles and in a protest/riot situation, the 12ga is king. 10 rounds of OO buck will get them away from the truck enough to GTFO I would think and quick reloads are king.
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Posted: 6/30/2024 11:56:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By feudist: The "Cheek Pistol" concept has been around for a while now. Using a variant of the old IMHSA "Taco hold" Rhett Neumayer has promulgated this in several different platforms from CP-33s, MP5 pistols, MP9s to AR pistols. You get three points of contact and a very compressed profile, even more than with a very short SBR. It sidesteps the Brace issue completely. Gun Jesus and Lucky Gunner have both done pieces on this. Here's a guy writing about using a 5.7 Ruger Charger in that role. https://content.osgnetworks.tv/photopacks/ruger-lc-charger-57x28-cheek-pistol_482613/482619_ruger-lc-charger-5-7x28-cheek-pistol-vs-06_hero_1200x800.jpg I've fired my MP15/22 this way and it's very fast and accurate. I've also mocked one up out of an old Umarex MP9 and played with it around the house. It seems very intuitive and usable. This guy used one in Airsoft and Go-Proed it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk9tshT17VU&list=PLF5CB7A56A7191748&ab_channel=blobworksbits I keep saying I'm going to set up a 22 Charger or get a MP15/22P and wring it out like that... I do that with my Henry Mares Leg. It's a very accurate pistol when I use the cheek method. I may SBR it one day but the current Henry stocks are way too long. I need to get a custom one made thats maybe 2 or 3 inches longer what is already on the pistol. 
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Posted: 7/1/2024 1:24:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GrinningDag: I do that with my Henry Mares Leg. It's a very accurate pistol when I use the cheek method. I may SBR it one day but the current Henry stocks are way too long. I need to get a custom one made thats maybe 2 or 3 inches longer what is already on the pistol. https://i.imgur.com/cL3CQjNh.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GrinningDag: Originally Posted By feudist: The "Cheek Pistol" concept has been around for a while now. Using a variant of the old IMHSA "Taco hold" Rhett Neumayer has promulgated this in several different platforms from CP-33s, MP5 pistols, MP9s to AR pistols. You get three points of contact and a very compressed profile, even more than with a very short SBR. It sidesteps the Brace issue completely. Gun Jesus and Lucky Gunner have both done pieces on this. Here's a guy writing about using a 5.7 Ruger Charger in that role. https://content.osgnetworks.tv/photopacks/ruger-lc-charger-57x28-cheek-pistol_482613/482619_ruger-lc-charger-5-7x28-cheek-pistol-vs-06_hero_1200x800.jpg I've fired my MP15/22 this way and it's very fast and accurate. I've also mocked one up out of an old Umarex MP9 and played with it around the house. It seems very intuitive and usable. This guy used one in Airsoft and Go-Proed it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk9tshT17VU&list=PLF5CB7A56A7191748&ab_channel=blobworksbits I keep saying I'm going to set up a 22 Charger or get a MP15/22P and wring it out like that... I do that with my Henry Mares Leg. It's a very accurate pistol when I use the cheek method. I may SBR it one day but the current Henry stocks are way too long. I need to get a custom one made thats maybe 2 or 3 inches longer what is already on the pistol. https://i.imgur.com/cL3CQjNh.jpg Here's a squirrel assassinator.  One using a Shockwave birdshead grip.  And of course "Drink up me Hearties yo ho"  |
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Posted: 7/1/2024 1:37:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By feudist: I've seen quite a few 10/22 based Mare's Legs that look interesting. Here's a squirrel assassinator. https://preview.redd.it/lightweigh-aftermarket-22-charger-takedown-mares-leg-v0-6o0hrv3fxj8d1.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=8740b4b44d7ca173ffa55489f45b17483319b58d One using a Shockwave birdshead grip. https://i.redd.it/f0gxgape5at71.jpg And of course "Drink up me Hearties yo ho" https://industryoutsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/MG_0469.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By feudist: Originally Posted By GrinningDag: Originally Posted By feudist: The "Cheek Pistol" concept has been around for a while now. Using a variant of the old IMHSA "Taco hold" Rhett Neumayer has promulgated this in several different platforms from CP-33s, MP5 pistols, MP9s to AR pistols. You get three points of contact and a very compressed profile, even more than with a very short SBR. It sidesteps the Brace issue completely. Gun Jesus and Lucky Gunner have both done pieces on this. Here's a guy writing about using a 5.7 Ruger Charger in that role. https://content.osgnetworks.tv/photopacks/ruger-lc-charger-57x28-cheek-pistol_482613/482619_ruger-lc-charger-5-7x28-cheek-pistol-vs-06_hero_1200x800.jpg I've fired my MP15/22 this way and it's very fast and accurate. I've also mocked one up out of an old Umarex MP9 and played with it around the house. It seems very intuitive and usable. This guy used one in Airsoft and Go-Proed it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk9tshT17VU&list=PLF5CB7A56A7191748&ab_channel=blobworksbits I keep saying I'm going to set up a 22 Charger or get a MP15/22P and wring it out like that... I do that with my Henry Mares Leg. It's a very accurate pistol when I use the cheek method. I may SBR it one day but the current Henry stocks are way too long. I need to get a custom one made thats maybe 2 or 3 inches longer what is already on the pistol. https://i.imgur.com/cL3CQjNh.jpg Here's a squirrel assassinator. https://preview.redd.it/lightweigh-aftermarket-22-charger-takedown-mares-leg-v0-6o0hrv3fxj8d1.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=8740b4b44d7ca173ffa55489f45b17483319b58d One using a Shockwave birdshead grip. https://i.redd.it/f0gxgape5at71.jpg And of course "Drink up me Hearties yo ho" https://industryoutsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/MG_0469.jpg I've been thinking about making a sawed-off looking 10/22 using a charger, but I haven't found any beat-up 10/22 wood stocks cheap enough for me to buy and chop up for it. |
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Posted: 7/1/2024 6:02:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFletch: Who makes that shockwave grip chassis? I kind of like it. I've been thinking about making a sawed-off looking 10/22 using a charger, but I haven't found any beat-up 10/22 wood stocks cheap enough for me to buy and chop up for it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFletch: Originally Posted By feudist: Originally Posted By GrinningDag: Originally Posted By feudist: The "Cheek Pistol" concept has been around for a while now. Using a variant of the old IMHSA "Taco hold" Rhett Neumayer has promulgated this in several different platforms from CP-33s, MP5 pistols, MP9s to AR pistols. You get three points of contact and a very compressed profile, even more than with a very short SBR. It sidesteps the Brace issue completely. Gun Jesus and Lucky Gunner have both done pieces on this. Here's a guy writing about using a 5.7 Ruger Charger in that role. https://content.osgnetworks.tv/photopacks/ruger-lc-charger-57x28-cheek-pistol_482613/482619_ruger-lc-charger-5-7x28-cheek-pistol-vs-06_hero_1200x800.jpg I've fired my MP15/22 this way and it's very fast and accurate. I've also mocked one up out of an old Umarex MP9 and played with it around the house. It seems very intuitive and usable. This guy used one in Airsoft and Go-Proed it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk9tshT17VU&list=PLF5CB7A56A7191748&ab_channel=blobworksbits I keep saying I'm going to set up a 22 Charger or get a MP15/22P and wring it out like that... I do that with my Henry Mares Leg. It's a very accurate pistol when I use the cheek method. I may SBR it one day but the current Henry stocks are way too long. I need to get a custom one made thats maybe 2 or 3 inches longer what is already on the pistol. https://i.imgur.com/cL3CQjNh.jpg Here's a squirrel assassinator. https://preview.redd.it/lightweigh-aftermarket-22-charger-takedown-mares-leg-v0-6o0hrv3fxj8d1.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=8740b4b44d7ca173ffa55489f45b17483319b58d One using a Shockwave birdshead grip. https://i.redd.it/f0gxgape5at71.jpg And of course "Drink up me Hearties yo ho" https://industryoutsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/MG_0469.jpg I've been thinking about making a sawed-off looking 10/22 using a charger, but I haven't found any beat-up 10/22 wood stocks cheap enough for me to buy and chop up for it. |
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Posted: 7/1/2024 7:09:06 PM EST
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Interesting video showing the limitations of a B&T USW 320 with a Trijicon RMR in a stage shooting match. Results might be similar with a Flux Raider. I wonder if an Aimpoint T or P series optic would have made much of a difference?
 Evaluating the Modern Stocked Pistol: USW-320 at Desert Brutality 2022 This year I was able to shoot Desert Brutality twice - one during the normal match and once the day before as part of "Trooper" division. That's where you carry all of your gear for the whole match (including food and all ammo) through all of the stages, shoot the whole match in one day, and don't get to use anything you didn't bring with you in the morning. I figured this would be a good opportunity to try out the Brugger & Thomet USW-320. It's a SIG 320 pistol (registered as an SBR, for legality) in a B&T grip module with a folding stock; really a modern incarnation of the classic stocked-pistol concept. The match this year had no shooting longer than 200 yards, and much of it was done in 50 yard pistol bays. So I figured I could get a good challenge with the long-range stages, but should be able to complete everything else reasonably well. So, let's see if I was right! Note: I forgot to mention this in the video, but I chose to remove the compensator from the gun prior to the match because it was just really uncomfortably loud and concussive that close to my face. 00:20 - Introduction 02:02 - Stage 1 06:08 - Stage 2 10:18 - Stage 3 12:08 - Stage 4 14:47 - Stage 5 17:10 - Stage 6 19:11 - Stage 7 20:43 - Conclusions ETA - Here is the Glock Flux Raider with a Holosun optic.  Bonus Material: Flux Raider at Desert Brutality 2022 I ran Desert Brutality 2022 this year with a B&T USW-320; a modern stocked pistol chassis for the SIG 320 pistol. One similar product on the market right now is the Flux Defense Raider, and at the match I discovered that Eric was using one of those as a PCC, just like I was doing with my USW. He was kind enough to let me film a couple of his stages (naturally, the two stages least conducive to using a stocked pistol...) and I got some of his thoughts on the platform. I would like to tinker with one of the Flux Defense setups myself at some point, but until then perhaps you will enjoy seeing Eric using one here. |
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Posted: 7/3/2024 9:06:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Interesting video showing the limitations of a B&T USW 320 with a Trijicon RMR in a stage shooting match. Results might be similar with a Flux Raider. I wonder if an Aimpoint T or P series optic would have made much of a difference? Its a good video and take on the USW concept. The big advantage the Flux has over the USW is a non reciprocating dot and more chassis to grab on to. Unlike “gender”, pdws are absolutely a spectrum. On one end of the spectrum, the USW is a pistol with a stock. On the other end would be something like the Rattler. Flux would be inbetween biased towards the pistol size. Each side of the spectrum has advantages and disadvantages, which is why answering the “why” of what you intend to do and how you intend to carry one is such an important first step. I like my USW 320 a lot but dont disagree with the faults he found. Always good to be banging primers instead of keyboards. On that note I’m currently shooting my Flux in steel challenge, should have some match video to share later this month. |
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Posted: 7/3/2024 10:57:03 AM EST
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I think expecting the USW or Flux to perform like a carbine is going to lead to disappointment. It's a better pistol, basically, but it's not going to compete well with a more conventional super-short carbine due to the ergonomics of such a compact platform and the way you need to hold it.
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Posted: 7/3/2024 11:37:28 AM EST
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I have a CMMG 5" 5.7 upper on an SBR lower (maxim CQB stock) or my M16 lower. Tiny, controllable, it's a bullet hose in full auto. I'll post a picture when I get home
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Posted: 7/3/2024 11:59:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFletch: I think expecting the USW or Flux to perform like a carbine is going to lead to disappointment. It's a better pistol, basically, but it's not going to compete well with a more conventional super-short carbine due to the ergonomics of such a compact platform and the way you need to hold it. Agreed. USW especially is just an increased chance to hit with a pistol. Can still be a huge advantage, especially for a non shooter family member. |
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Posted: 7/3/2024 12:06:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74novaman: Its a good video and take on the USW concept. The big advantage the Flux has over the USW is a non reciprocating dot and more chassis to grab on to. Unlike “gender”, pdws are absolutely a spectrum. On one end of the spectrum, the USW is a pistol with a stock. On the other end would be something like the Rattler. Flux would be inbetween biased towards the pistol size. Each side of the spectrum has advantages and disadvantages, which is why answering the “why” of what you intend to do and how you intend to carry one is such an important first step. I like my USW 320 a lot but dont disagree with the faults he found. Always good to be banging primers instead of keyboards. On that note I’m currently shooting my Flux in steel challenge, should have some match video to share later this month. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74novaman: Originally Posted By Alacran: Interesting video showing the limitations of a B&T USW 320 with a Trijicon RMR in a stage shooting match. Results might be similar with a Flux Raider. I wonder if an Aimpoint T or P series optic would have made much of a difference? Its a good video and take on the USW concept. The big advantage the Flux has over the USW is a non reciprocating dot and more chassis to grab on to. Unlike “gender”, pdws are absolutely a spectrum. On one end of the spectrum, the USW is a pistol with a stock. On the other end would be something like the Rattler. Flux would be inbetween biased towards the pistol size. Each side of the spectrum has advantages and disadvantages, which is why answering the “why” of what you intend to do and how you intend to carry one is such an important first step. I like my USW 320 a lot but dont disagree with the faults he found. Always good to be banging primers instead of keyboards. On that note I’m currently shooting my Flux in steel challenge, should have some match video to share later this month. I’ve always been a sucker for PDW threads and well before that, wanted an Uzi ever since the movie Wisdom came out back in the mid 80s.  Well, I never got that Uzi but did get distracted by an HK SP89, a Kitty Kat upper, and the extremely short-barreled 300BLK options that hit the market several years ago. I felt adequately covered with what I had until seeing your original “peaceful election year” thread focusing on the even smaller options like the USW & Flux Raiders. It showed me that I indeed had a gap between my regular CCW options and carrying around a 5 lb+ backpack or sling pack. Yep, there is no one-size fits-all for all categories and all situations, but the world is absolutely changing and what may have worked in particular situations several years ago or even today may not work so well in just a few months or years from now. As you point out, shoot more and type less is always a good idea. That leads to knowing on a personal level the limitations of each as well as their strengths at a time when these options are potentially needed, and sadly, I do believe that time is coming. That’s my take, anyway.  |
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Posted: 7/3/2024 12:10:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JaredGrey: Anyone have experience with a Recover Tactical braced chassis? I see that they are available, and my interest is piqued. I wouldn’t get the glass breaker optic mount because the screw stripped out on mine and trapped the gun in it. It was a bitch to fix. The standard unit is not bad but you’ll notice the flexibility in the brace arm if you shoulder it frequently. It is a very lightweight option though and might be the best currently available for the glock. |
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Posted: 7/3/2024 12:20:10 PM EST
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Just boring shit.
  
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Posted: 7/3/2024 12:57:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74novaman: Agreed. USW especially is just an increased chance to hit with a pistol. Can still be a huge advantage, especially for a non shooter family member. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74novaman: Originally Posted By CFletch: I think expecting the USW or Flux to perform like a carbine is going to lead to disappointment. It's a better pistol, basically, but it's not going to compete well with a more conventional super-short carbine due to the ergonomics of such a compact platform and the way you need to hold it. Agreed. USW especially is just an increased chance to hit with a pistol. Can still be a huge advantage, especially for a non shooter family member. The niches I see for it are home defense (where the ability to use it one-handed while braced is useful so the other hand is free to hold a child or open doors) or in a messenger or other small bag (along with all the normal work stuff I'd actually need to carry in the bag). In those roles it seems like it'd be great. |
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Posted: 7/3/2024 3:31:19 PM EST
[Last Edit: towerofpower94]
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Interesting video showing the limitations of a B&T USW 320 with a Trijicon RMR in a stage shooting match. Results might be similar with a Flux Raider. I wonder if an Aimpoint T or P series optic would have made much of a difference?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Nf4rk6Dai0This year I was able to shoot Desert Brutality twice - one during the normal match and once the day before as part of "Trooper" division. That's where you carry all of your gear for the whole match (including food and all ammo) through all of the stages, shoot the whole match in one day, and don't get to use anything you didn't bring with you in the morning. I figured this would be a good opportunity to try out the Brugger & Thomet USW-320. It's a SIG 320 pistol (registered as an SBR, for legality) in a B&T grip module with a folding stock; really a modern incarnation of the classic stocked-pistol concept. The match this year had no shooting longer than 200 yards, and much of it was done in 50 yard pistol bays. So I figured I could get a good challenge with the long-range stages, but should be able to complete everything else reasonably well. So, let's see if I was right! Note: I forgot to mention this in the video, but I chose to remove the compensator from the gun prior to the match because it was just really uncomfortably loud and concussive that close to my face. 00:20 - Introduction 02:02 - Stage 1 06:08 - Stage 2 10:18 - Stage 3 12:08 - Stage 4 14:47 - Stage 5 17:10 - Stage 6 19:11 - Stage 7 20:43 - Conclusions ETA - Here is the Glock Flux Raider with a Holosun optic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6yPfZuN3pYI ran Desert Brutality 2022 this year with a B&T USW-320; a modern stocked pistol chassis for the SIG 320 pistol. One similar product on the market right now is the Flux Defense Raider, and at the match I discovered that Eric was using one of those as a PCC, just like I was doing with my USW. He was kind enough to let me film a couple of his stages (naturally, the two stages least conducive to using a stocked pistol...) and I got some of his thoughts on the platform. I would like to tinker with one of the Flux Defense setups myself at some point, but until then perhaps you will enjoy seeing Eric using one here. @Alacran NM, watched the videos again and have things straight. Your bit about ‘this year in 2022’ threw me off initially. Was it this year, or was it 2024, haha. |
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Posted: 7/3/2024 4:25:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: @Alacran NM, watched the videos again and have things straight. Your bit about ‘this year in 2022’ threw me off initially. Was it this year, or was it 2024, haha. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By Alacran: Interesting video showing the limitations of a B&T USW 320 with a Trijicon RMR in a stage shooting match. Results might be similar with a Flux Raider. I wonder if an Aimpoint T or P series optic would have made much of a difference? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Nf4rk6Dai0This year I was able to shoot Desert Brutality twice - one during the normal match and once the day before as part of "Trooper" division. That's where you carry all of your gear for the whole match (including food and all ammo) through all of the stages, shoot the whole match in one day, and don't get to use anything you didn't bring with you in the morning. I figured this would be a good opportunity to try out the Brugger & Thomet USW-320. It's a SIG 320 pistol (registered as an SBR, for legality) in a B&T grip module with a folding stock; really a modern incarnation of the classic stocked-pistol concept. The match this year had no shooting longer than 200 yards, and much of it was done in 50 yard pistol bays. So I figured I could get a good challenge with the long-range stages, but should be able to complete everything else reasonably well. So, let's see if I was right! Note: I forgot to mention this in the video, but I chose to remove the compensator from the gun prior to the match because it was just really uncomfortably loud and concussive that close to my face. 00:20 - Introduction 02:02 - Stage 1 06:08 - Stage 2 10:18 - Stage 3 12:08 - Stage 4 14:47 - Stage 5 17:10 - Stage 6 19:11 - Stage 7 20:43 - Conclusions ETA - Here is the Glock Flux Raider with a Holosun optic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6yPfZuN3pYI ran Desert Brutality 2022 this year with a B&T USW-320; a modern stocked pistol chassis for the SIG 320 pistol. One similar product on the market right now is the Flux Defense Raider, and at the match I discovered that Eric was using one of those as a PCC, just like I was doing with my USW. He was kind enough to let me film a couple of his stages (naturally, the two stages least conducive to using a stocked pistol...) and I got some of his thoughts on the platform. I would like to tinker with one of the Flux Defense setups myself at some point, but until then perhaps you will enjoy seeing Eric using one here. @Alacran NM, watched the videos again and have things straight. Your bit about ‘this year in 2022’ threw me off initially. Was it this year, or was it 2024, haha. Yeah, It’s a few years old. I copied the description underneath the video straight from the notes on Youtube. If my Youtube algorithm hadn’t have actually been working like they should, I might not have ever seen the videos in the first place. |
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Posted: 7/3/2024 6:54:32 PM EST
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Whoever mentioned that a chassis/brace would be cool with the s&w 5.7, I agree-I'd definitely be interested in such an animal.
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Posted: 7/3/2024 7:04:29 PM EST
[#28]
I miss the days when people remembered the difference between pistol-caliber subguns and rifle-caliber PDWs
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Posted: 7/3/2024 9:27:48 PM EST
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Posted: 7/4/2024 6:48:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By themagikbullet: Whoever mentioned that a chassis/brace would be cool with the s&w 5.7, I agree-I'd definitely be interested in such an animal. I think we could have gotten PSA to do one for the Rock if they hadn’t started designing the X57. They’d be cutting their own throats. Maybe they’ll do a Rock chassis/brace a year or two after the X57 launches and sales slow. I’d buy both
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Posted: 7/4/2024 7:06:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: I think we could have gotten PSA to do one for the Rock if they hadn’t started designing the X57. They’d be cutting their own throats. Maybe they’ll do a Rock chassis/brace a year or two after the X57 launches and sales slow. I’d buy both Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By themagikbullet: Whoever mentioned that a chassis/brace would be cool with the s&w 5.7, I agree-I'd definitely be interested in such an animal. I think we could have gotten PSA to do one for the Rock if they hadn’t started designing the X57. They’d be cutting their own throats. Maybe they’ll do a Rock chassis/brace a year or two after the X57 launches and sales slow. I’d buy both Whatever they do, if it is straight blowback I won't be interested. Blowback guns are boring and lazy. |
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Posted: 7/4/2024 9:29:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ebolinux: I like your setup. Are you using the full barrel length or are you packing around a SBR? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ebolinux: Originally Posted By clickclickBOOM: PDWs! I’ll play! This is my grey man setup in my vehicle for my everyday commute and short trips to a larger, more violent city. I’m not realistically going to wear my full battle rattle, Level 4 plate carrier, battle belt, and AR in any possible scenarios that I think could happen in my area of operations (AO). I believe the local deputies would probably shoot first and ask questions later if they saw me wearing all that. I’ve chosen to keep a simple, lightweight setup in a secure armored area that I can open with the click of a button in the back of my vehicle. It would take time and a metal saw to access it otherwise. My normal everyday carry is a G43X MOS with three 15-round mags. My grab-and-go grey man setup includes a racket bag and a small sling bag, which is all anyone would see walking down the street. They contain a PS90 with the latest generation illuminated ring sight, seven mags (350 rounds) and an M&P 5.7 with four mags (89 rounds). The 5.7x28mm ammo is a mix of mags loaded with SS192, SS197, SS198, T6B, and Vanguard Fangs. I plan to test the new CD ammo that’s showing promise when I can get my hands on some. 2 smoke grenades One everyday armor t-shirt with Level 3A panels (front and back)—better than nothing Normal bag contents: earplugs, multitool, boo-boo kit with 2 tourniquets, clot gauze, 2 chest seals, a small emergency bag of water, light stick, gun oil wipes and a pull-through, and extra batteries I’m always alone during my commute, so I wanted a setup that is very light and gives my weapons 485 rounds of endurance. I think on the slim chance I’ll ever need it, it will be useful to help me escape a trouble spot and deter anyone chasing me. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_6021-3254486.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_6016-3254491.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_6019-3254487.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_6018-3254489.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40842/IMG_5890-3236902.jpg I like your setup. Are you using the full barrel length or are you packing around a SBR? Full length on the trunk one. I do have an old black trirail PS90 that I’m waiting on a SBR stamp to put a HUXWRX FLOW 556K suppressor on. It should be easy on the blowback and not damage the stock. Waiting on it to get out of jail too. |
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Posted: 7/4/2024 9:55:16 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: I miss the days when people remembered the difference between pistol-caliber subguns and rifle-caliber PDWs |
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Posted: 7/4/2024 10:50:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFletch: the archetypal PDWs are the P90 and MP7, neither of which fire rifle rounds Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFletch: Originally Posted By Rudukai13: I miss the days when people remembered the difference between pistol-caliber subguns and rifle-caliber PDWs Insisting on a military definition of a weapon type that was never defined by caliber but by capability and intent, and whose only broadly successful and widely issued example was in WW2 and Korea is really begging the question. Post-war NATO mission creep and the rise of compact assault rifles(and fundamental doubts about the PDW's overall utility) along with the end of the Soviet threat essentially mooted the concept militarily. The MP7 is a niche special purpose SOF weapon, frankly acknowledged by many end users as a niche within a niche and very mission specific weapon. The whole premise of this thread is exploring the civilian use case of an already niche capability. It's not a GP rifle or carbine. It's not particularly necessary or even desirable as a truck gun or HD weapon. It certainly doesn't answer as an everyday EDC. To acknowledge its validity is to recognize a set of circumstances where extreme portability and discreetness(permitting the weapon to be with you more often)outweigh rifle capabilities and wounding potential. If you don't see that as a possibility, then it holds no validity as a concept. If your particular circumstances don't involve that use case then it doesn't apply for you. As the OP has stated(repeatedly) in both iterations of this thread: it's for Spicy Times, not SHTF all out warfare. |
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Posted: 7/4/2024 11:07:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By feudist: ... It's not a GP rifle or carbine. It's not particularly necessary or even desirable as a truck gun or HD weapon. It certainly doesn't answer as an everyday EDC. To acknowledge its validity is to recognize a set of circumstances where extreme portability and discreetness(permitting the weapon to be with you more often)outweigh rifle capabilities and wounding potential. ... As the OP has stated(repeatedly) in both iterations of this thread: it's for Spicy Times, not SHTF all out warfare. frankly, edc pistol is 90% capable of what all these pistol caliber pdw options can do imo. "more capable" to me means MUCH more, not a little more. if I'm unzipping a bag and manipulating something to get a weapon out, we're already well past "I want to use my pistol". if I'm in or near my car that means the 16" carbine and pmag40s. if I'm at work I will almost certainly have the time to dive into the bathroom to get the 300blk out of the bag. if that weapon comes out that means some really bad 2020 mostly peaceful protest is happening and discreet is no longer desirable. |
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Posted: 7/4/2024 2:09:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By racer765: frankly, edc pistol is 90% capable of what all these pistol caliber pdw options can do imo. "more capable" to me means MUCH more, not a little more. if I'm unzipping a bag and manipulating something to get a weapon out, we're already well past "I want to use my pistol". if I'm in or near my car that means the 16" carbine and pmag40s. if I'm at work I will almost certainly have the time to dive into the bathroom to get the 300blk out of the bag. if that weapon comes out that means some really bad 2020 mostly peaceful protest is happening and discreet is no longer desirable. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By racer765: Originally Posted By feudist: ... It's not a GP rifle or carbine. It's not particularly necessary or even desirable as a truck gun or HD weapon. It certainly doesn't answer as an everyday EDC. To acknowledge its validity is to recognize a set of circumstances where extreme portability and discreetness(permitting the weapon to be with you more often)outweigh rifle capabilities and wounding potential. ... As the OP has stated(repeatedly) in both iterations of this thread: it's for Spicy Times, not SHTF all out warfare. frankly, edc pistol is 90% capable of what all these pistol caliber pdw options can do imo. "more capable" to me means MUCH more, not a little more. if I'm unzipping a bag and manipulating something to get a weapon out, we're already well past "I want to use my pistol". if I'm in or near my car that means the 16" carbine and pmag40s. if I'm at work I will almost certainly have the time to dive into the bathroom to get the 300blk out of the bag. if that weapon comes out that means some really bad 2020 mostly peaceful protest is happening and discreet is no longer desirable. Both a 300blk type 7-8” barreled gun and a small stocked pistol can fill similar roles. Both are not as effective as a full length rifle, both aren’t as concealable as a pistol. They both however do so in different ways with different strengths and weaknesses. Neither can really supplant fully the item they’re closer to and yet both can readily be carried. Each person has to weigh which better fits or if neither fits there needs. I like variety. |
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Posted: 7/4/2024 3:03:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunnie357: Both a 300blk type 7-8” barreled gun and a small stocked pistol can fill similar roles. Both are not as effective as a full length rifle, both aren’t as concealable as a pistol. They both however do so in different ways with different strengths and weaknesses. Neither can really supplant fully the item they’re closer to and yet both can readily be carried. Each person has to weigh which better fits or if neither fits there needs. I like variety.  My man. People poo poo pistol caliber small pdw type guns but the other thing I keep coming back to is another group that benefits the most is your family members who dont train, dont compete and cannot do “90%” with a concealed carry pistol. My wife is an asset with a pistol caliber pdw. She isnt with a pistol. Ymmv. |
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Posted: 7/4/2024 3:04:55 PM EST
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Please understand that this is coming from a guy who stowed an AUG in the gayest looking backpack he could find for a recent 4K mile road trip, however...
When I hear of "truck guns" and "bag guns" what it says to me is that EVERYTHING must have gone to shit if I am going to break out that carbine. The best weapon and the easiest to implement is that accelerator pedal which will launch my 7K pounds of truck. Yes, I could get blocked and loose that option, but if I bail out and employ the power of that rifle, I don't think it's likely my life is ever going back to normal again. Still good to have that option, but better to keep your head on a swivel and stay away from any developing situation that might force you to make that terrible choice. 
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Posted: 7/4/2024 3:45:12 PM EST
[Last Edit: 74novaman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By QRB: When I hear of "truck guns" and "bag guns" what it says to me is that EVERYTHING must have gone to shit if I am going to break out that carbine. The best weapon and the easiest to implement is that accelerator pedal which will launch my 7K pounds of truck. Absolutely, which is why this isnt a truck gun thread. For example, I’m traveling this week and staying in multiple different places hundreds of miles from home. My Rattler or any of the pdw sized guns this thread is about that can be transported easily in and out of hotels and cars without someone thinking “that bag is long enough to have a rifle in it”. They’re not for fighting from a car with. They’re adding capability if things get screwy while remaining discrete. |
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Posted: 7/4/2024 4:54:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74novaman: My man. People poo poo pistol caliber small pdw type guns but the other thing I keep coming back to is another group that benefits the most is your family members who dont train, dont compete and cannot do “90%” with a concealed carry pistol. My wife is an asset with a pistol caliber pdw. She isnt with a pistol. Ymmv. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74novaman: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: Both a 300blk type 7-8” barreled gun and a small stocked pistol can fill similar roles. Both are not as effective as a full length rifle, both aren’t as concealable as a pistol. They both however do so in different ways with different strengths and weaknesses. Neither can really supplant fully the item they’re closer to and yet both can readily be carried. Each person has to weigh which better fits or if neither fits there needs. I like variety. My man. People poo poo pistol caliber small pdw type guns but the other thing I keep coming back to is another group that benefits the most is your family members who dont train, dont compete and cannot do “90%” with a concealed carry pistol. My wife is an asset with a pistol caliber pdw. She isnt with a pistol. Ymmv. Similarly my wife had zero desire to shoot any long gun I have started trying various other stuff thanks to another friend in the hopes we’d find a better option for home and her then just a pistol. She absolutely fell in love with the PS90 she’s more effective with it than any other firearm I have. I have a folding stock 8” 300 it’s a great rifle for storing and makes sense in some situations but it’s no where near as compact as my Uzi. I can make hits at 50 with my carry pistol but it’s far easier with either of the other two. Neither of them would I pick over a standard rifle for rifle tasks when it’s available. |
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Posted: 7/4/2024 4:55:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By QRB: Please understand that this is coming from a guy who stowed an AUG in the gayest looking backpack he could find for a recent 4K mile road trip, however... When I hear of "truck guns" and "bag guns" what it says to me is that EVERYTHING must have gone to shit if I am going to break out that carbine. The best weapon and the easiest to implement is that accelerator pedal which will launch my 7K pounds of truck. Yes, I could get blocked and loose that option, but if I bail out and employ the power of that rifle, I don't think it's likely my life is ever going back to normal again. Still good to have that option, but better to keep your head on a swivel and stay away from any developing situation that might force you to make that terrible choice. 100% your mind is by far the best weapon you have available to you. |
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Posted: 7/4/2024 5:21:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74novaman: Absolutely, which is why this isnt a truck gun thread. For example, I’m traveling this week and staying in multiple different places hundreds of miles from home. My Rattler or any of the pdw sized guns this thread is about that can be transported easily in and out of hotels and cars without someone thinking “that bag is long enough to have a rifle in it”. They’re not for fighting from a car with. They’re adding capability if things get screwy while remaining discrete. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74novaman: Originally Posted By QRB: When I hear of "truck guns" and "bag guns" what it says to me is that EVERYTHING must have gone to shit if I am going to break out that carbine. The best weapon and the easiest to implement is that accelerator pedal which will launch my 7K pounds of truck. Absolutely, which is why this isnt a truck gun thread. For example, I’m traveling this week and staying in multiple different places hundreds of miles from home. My Rattler or any of the pdw sized guns this thread is about that can be transported easily in and out of hotels and cars without someone thinking “that bag is long enough to have a rifle in it”. They’re not for fighting from a car with. They’re adding capability if things get screwy while remaining discrete. That’s it exactly in a nut shell. |
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Posted: 7/5/2024 10:39:50 AM EST
[Last Edit: CFletch]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74novaman: Absolutely, which is why this isnt a truck gun thread. For example, I'm traveling this week and staying in multiple different places hundreds of miles from home. My Rattler or any of the pdw sized guns this thread is about that can be transported easily in and out of hotels and cars without someone thinking "that bag is long enough to have a rifle in it". They're not for fighting from a car with. They're adding capability if things get screwy while remaining discrete. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74novaman: Originally Posted By QRB: When I hear of "truck guns" and "bag guns" what it says to me is that EVERYTHING must have gone to shit if I am going to break out that carbine. The best weapon and the easiest to implement is that accelerator pedal which will launch my 7K pounds of truck. Absolutely, which is why this isnt a truck gun thread. For example, I'm traveling this week and staying in multiple different places hundreds of miles from home. My Rattler or any of the pdw sized guns this thread is about that can be transported easily in and out of hotels and cars without someone thinking "that bag is long enough to have a rifle in it". They're not for fighting from a car with. They're adding capability if things get screwy while remaining discrete. While the images above show that a Rattler or similar compact carbine can fit in a small bag, it pretty much fills it and prevents the bag from holding much else. |
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Posted: 7/5/2024 11:10:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ROCK6: Spot on. So, for "normal SHTF", I mentioned my wife's car had the transfer case take a shit. Sitting on the side of the road with her trailer. We needing a two truck and a separate truck for the trailer (I road with the kid who towed the tailer). We waited at a dealership for a couple hours, caught a hour and half Uber ride, picked up my truck to get head back and get the trailer and then stay the night in a hotel loaded with K9 cops. This shit needed to be hauled around discreetly. Here's what I had to lug around. It's not just "insurance" for SHTF, it's the habit when the Shit hasn't hit the fan. I used the little LCP Max when on the paddle boards in the Keys: type Status report message description Access to the specified resource has been forbidden. Apache Tomcat/7.0.68 (Ubuntu) |
