No personal attacks or d pics. Anything else is an infringement.

Honestly the poop thread rule is pushing it.

Another layer of control is never a good thing. At least I've never seen on be a good thing.

I'm 72 and have been here awhile. I think I am going to reserve my opinions for 15 or 20 years. Gives me something to look forward to after taking copious note along the way. I refuse to make hasty decisions. ????

Exactly. You’d think folks would be happy to see some action after 87 threads bitching about mods and coc enforcement.

TL:DR - Men yell at clouds, freak out when clouds listen

We'll be lucky to live through it.

Agree. Arfcom should never change anything now that they've been bought out. Too soon after: "Brownells is already making changes". Wait a year for changes: "This is Brownells fault, they just wanted to make it seem like it wasn't".

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I don’t have any issues with any mods but I do think in a site with a membership the actual members should be able to vote mods in or out. It would give members buy-in and knock off the skepticism on motives that some have.

And the event threads could also include the ability for: Breaking News Alerts and Verification

Cough:: thread specific locks ::cough

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes

just trying out a new meme

are you one of those people that just hate chamge?

At last you admit it!><

As far as I am concerned you are doing what we asked of you.

Right on boss.

Can you give us some time to acclimate to the new norms for GD?

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is how you get Hitler. Literally, Hitler. With votes.

I can smell the butthurt already.

The drawback to that is that it would become or be seen as a popularity contest.

Well if I were being truthful then yes.

Agreed, I am all about freedom of speech.  If you're outright trolling or posting legally liable stuff, then that's one thing.  However, with a strict set of rules, it's only a matter of time before frequent posters inadvertently step over the line enough times to be banned.  Heck, Andrew from the chopping block got banned from here, and he is still posting videos for AR15.com for some reason!

Stifling discussion leads to less posting, which leads to less interest and a dead board.

The last thing a message board should be trying to do is reduce traffic / interest on their message board.  Heavily moderating discussions and posts is one surefire way to do that.  I've seen it happen for years from the Firingline / Thehighroad to Frugal squirrels and glock talk.  The over zealous posting police always leads to the downfall of the forum community.

Like I said, there should be posting rules but very minimal.  You don't need a ton of mods since the members read everything and anything super bad gets reported by them to the staff anyway and is then reviewed.  When you hire a ton of new mods, they start looking for things to do to justify their existence and pay.  So they will end up overzealously warning, banning, thread shutting, etc. just to show that they are doing something.  And you are now hiring dozens of these guys who will be doing that?

No thanks!

If there were any critical reasoning skills in GD, there wouldn't be a need.  

Ewwwwww.  No.

Modding by popularity contest would lead to the end of all things.  That's how you get GseriesFAL as a moderator as a joke.

Go look who has the highest post count on the site and see if any of it was a valuable contribution.

But can turkeys penguins fly?

No.

Only land owners get to vote.

Term limits then

right there with you brother

Since your saying this is because of members, that essentially makes it a democracy, with only the vocal being counted. What percent of actual members don’t want change.

I'm so glad I renewed my membership

That seems like it's much easier said than done.

never trust a lawyer

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I hope someone important reads this.

These threads are what happens when site staff makes an announcement containing very little substance. It happens every time, one of these days site staff will figure out that making announcements without substance just leads to wild speculation.

Will there be stricter rules for what constitutes Breaking News? If so I’m all for it.

Whatever happened to the idea of aimless showing up at your front door and kicking you in the balls for COC violations?

That is a fair point.

Moderating a forum is no easy task, especially with a large group of moderators.  Trying to maintain consistency is very complicated, especially over a long period of time, it looks like they're trying to address this.  CHOOSING moderators is one of the hardest tasks, I'm fortunate that the forum I moderate has fairly low usage these days because we haven't been able to identify anyone we would trust as an additional moderator, and there are only three of us (plus paid employees of the hosting company, but they focus primarily on technical issues and may approve posts), and all of us have day jobs.

I've said it here repeatedly - it's amazing how childish chronological adults can be online, and how much rules-lawyering you can encounter when you try to enforce basic standards.  The forum I'm a moderator for has a "no-hitting" rule - you can attack the argument, but not the poster.  Yet people can't resist personal attacks.  I understand getting frustrated with other users, since some people are unpersuasible.  If that happens, just post "OK, we're just going in circles, I'm through discussing this with you" and follow through.  Don't start making personal attacks, because then the other person perceives they've won by causing you to lose control (such as a user who admitted deliberately enticing such reactions to get users banned and was banned for a while and is still restricted from GD to my understanding).

Of course, I got mildly reprimanded by my boss at work for sending "I'm done with this.  Escalate with the support team if you need more assistance." after a user kept insisting there was a system issue when I had shown the documentation saying that the error he was getting was normal (fsck on a live filesystem, for the UNIX folks).  The support team basically had to show him the same results on several different live production systems before the user finally admitted it wasn't a problem.

Being a moderator can suck ALL of the fun out of going to a forum, because you know you're going to log in and have X number of "attention required" messages stacked up to deal with, and it sucks having to punish someone you consider a friend.

You are providing what many in GD have been wailing and gnashing their teeth for.

Now GD is wailing and gnashing their teeth because you gave them what they wanted and they decide to go all slippery slope with.

There is no rhyme or reason. There is just GD . Just like when the new site design was made and everyone cried and bitched.

LOL

Probably. I put out on the first date.