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Posted: 10/30/2023 5:20:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My rifle with the 1-6 Delta Stryker is quickly becoming my general purpose rifle. I wish I would have bought another one when they were $650. That’s what I run. FFP 1-6 makes no sense |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 5:27:28 PM EDT
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Kahles 1-6. FFP sucks on optics <8 imho.
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Posted: 10/30/2023 5:33:01 PM EDT
[#3]
I was a 1-6 shooter for years and liked them.
But always use at 6x unless shooting close. So then 1x. Can't use nv well with that. Prism at 5x and red dot and you can do everything lighter and fast. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Easy-shooting-200-to-500-yds-Micro-prism/5-2683204/ |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 5:34:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Such a solid scope for that used price range. Love em. Personally, prefer the VCOG over it though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You guys are tripping balls not scooping up all the nx8s going for 1100 everywhere on the used market Such a solid scope for that used price range. Love em. Personally, prefer the VCOG over it though. I can’t think of a single thing about the VCOG that’s better. It’s significantly heavier and larger, has a worse reticle selection and illumination. What’s to like in that comparison? |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 5:35:40 PM EDT
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Quoted: It’s pretty slim pickins out there, unless you want a Chinese SFP piece of crap. I’m looking for a 1-6x with the following specs: FFP mil/mil capped turrets illuminated reticle 30mm tube I would normally order a 1-6x HD from SWFA but it looks like they discontinued that model. I found this one on EuroOptic but I’ve never heard of this company: https://www.eurooptic.com/SAI-Optics-SAI-6-1-6x24mm-1-MRAD-FFP-MIL-Rapid-Aiming-Feature-Riflescope-RNG16-B.aspx This will be going on a 16” Recce, I’m not opposed to a 1-8x but would prefer a 1-6x with the above features since the eyebox is more forgiving. Quoted: 1-6x goes better with SFP IMO. This. I don’t see any reason for FFP on any of my 1-6 LPVOs. If I’m shooting far enough actually worry using a reticle to compensate for bullet drop, that scope will be set at 6X. OP, look at a Vortex Viper HS 1-6. It comes in mil/mil. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 5:39:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. I don’t see any reason for FFP on any of my 1-6 LPVOs. If I’m shooting far enough actually worry using a reticle to compensate for bullet drop, that scope will be set at 6X. OP, look at a Vortex Viper HS 1-6. It comes in mil/mil. Exactly. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 5:55:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1-6x goes better with SFP IMO. This. Save your money for better glass and other features, SFP is better choice below 6x. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 5:57:27 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn, 1-6 Razors suck now? Damn you guys are fickle.... |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 6:00:49 PM EDT
[#9]
FFP 1-6 seems silly.
How far away could something be to need accurate reticle subtensions at low/intermediate 1X-6x powers settings? Heck… does anyone even USE powers 2-5? I know I’ve only ever just went from 1 all the way to 6… 2x-5x might as well not even exist or just as well show images of large veiny phalluses for all I care. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 6:02:33 PM EDT
[#10]
FFP in a 1-6 is a waste of technology. Anything within 250 yards doesn't need elevation adjustment, and anything that far away gets full zoom anyway. Close up the reticle is almost worthless. Too much additional expense for little to no gain, or in my experience, it's detrimental.
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Posted: 10/30/2023 6:07:55 PM EDT
[#11]
Primary Arms makes some good 1x6 FFP scopes that have great bang for the buck ($400 to $500). I think it's the SL series
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Posted: 10/30/2023 6:08:11 PM EDT
[#12]
I think it almost pays to be 1-2 steps behind all the folks that are constantly doing latest and greatest.. get their fully functional, unfired, immaculate, cast offs for pennies on the dollar.
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Posted: 10/30/2023 6:15:52 PM EDT
[#13]
They are still popular. Although a lot are bricks weight wise
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Posted: 10/30/2023 6:41:48 PM EDT
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Quoted: It’s pretty slim pickins out there, unless you want a Chinese SFP piece of crap. I’m looking for a 1-6x with the following specs: FFP mil/mil capped turrets illuminated reticle 30mm tube I would normally order a 1-6x HD from SWFA but it looks like they discontinued that model. I found this one on EuroOptic but I’ve never heard of this company: https://www.eurooptic.com/SAI-Optics-SAI-6-1-6x24mm-1-MRAD-FFP-MIL-Rapid-Aiming-Feature-Riflescope-RNG16-B.aspx This will be going on a 16” Recce, I’m not opposed to a 1-8x but would prefer a 1-6x with the above features since the eyebox is more forgiving. You’re not finding a lot of FFP options in a 1-6 because FFP sucks in a 1-6. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 6:45:31 PM EDT
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Quoted: I found this one on EuroOptic but I’ve never heard of this company: https://www.eurooptic.com/SAI-Optics-SAI-6-1-6x24mm-1-MRAD-FFP-MIL-Rapid-Aiming-Feature-Riflescope-RNG16-B.aspx This will be going on a 16” Recce, I’m not opposed to a 1-8x but would prefer a 1-6x with the above features since the eyebox is more forgiving. Skip that one and go with this one: https://www.eurooptic.com/Meopta-Optika6-1-6x24-Illuminated-MRAD-30mm-FFP-Riflescope-653558.aspx Meopta glass is incredible, and EuroOptic or B&H will certainly have special pricing on Black Friday. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 6:50:31 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FFP 1-6 seems silly. How far away could something be to need accurate reticle subtensions at low/intermediate 1X-6x powers settings? Heck… does anyone even USE powers 2-5? I know I’ve only ever just went from 1 all the way to 6… 2x-5x might as well not even exist or just as well show images of large veiny phalluses for all I care. For targets 50-150Y out, 2-4X is really nice since you don't lose the FOV and still have a little extra magnification. 100Y plate rack or MGM spinner is relatively common at major matches. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 6:55:31 PM EDT
[#17]
We've moved on to prisms..
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Posted: 10/30/2023 6:56:11 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously considering the 1-6x Sig Tango-MSR LPVO for $279 I dont really need anything more for an AR in my area. Price difference goes up after that quite a bit, but i think it is a pretty decent optic for $300. Any experience with this particular LPVO? I have one on my RAR in 350 I like it a lot, not as nice as it’s big brother the tango 6 but for the money it’s nice |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:00:10 PM EDT
[#19]
Never liked them.
I’m more of a “bumpfire at dirt clods” type of shooter. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:00:40 PM EDT
[#20]
The 1-6x Razor is awesome. People bitching have unrealistic expectations. LVPOs are not red dots but offer similar functionality, albeit with a tighter eye box and head position. They magnification is super functional once you get past 200 yards. I don't get the consternation.
And I agree that FFP on a 1-6 is stupid. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:01:33 PM EDT
[#21]
Quoted: Daylight bright 1-6 SFP for $339. AutoLive battery cap $50. ADM Recon QD mount (std, med, or high) for $240. For $650 you can get a really good setup. Never knew about that AutoLive cap, that's a good idea |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:02:36 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We've moved on to prisms.. https://youtube.com/shorts/iNg3y-f4xak?si=__8fUvZv2k63DBLl |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:03:55 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We've moved on to prisms.. Unless you're pretending you're a sniper the 3xmicro prism is the best GP optic out there |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:12:21 PM EDT
[#24]
Po'boy has a PA 1×6 ACSS Predator Reticle. On the 1x with both eyes open, its like a Prism Dot. The Circle Chevron makes for fast and accurate target acquisition. With the power of X6 if you need it.
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:15:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:18:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:19:04 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless you're pretending you're a sniper the 3xmicro prism is the best GP optic out there TA33 is best GP optic out there. It has God on it's side. (literally) |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:21:41 PM EDT
[#28]
Arken EP 8?
Can be had for $299 with a code. Heard two different stories about it being daylight bright. Also heard the dot is too small when at 1x. I’m considering it as well as the new Primary Arms Nova with fiber reticle. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:21:58 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: TA33 is best GP optic out there. It has God on it's side. (literally) I never knew how much those trijicons cost. Looked one up last night. Was like 1700$ Crazy |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:24:01 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LPVO are great. I personally still prefer my old 4x acog and RMR or red dot with a fixed magnification. YMMV Honestly, same. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:24:16 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Never liked them. I’m more of a “bumpfire at dirt clods” type of shooter. 
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:24:35 PM EDT
[#32]
Prism all the things
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:24:57 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For targets 50-150Y out, 2-4X is really nice since you don't lose the FOV and still have a little extra magnification. 100Y plate rack or MGM spinner is relatively common at major matches. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: FFP 1-6 seems silly. How far away could something be to need accurate reticle subtensions at low/intermediate 1X-6x powers settings? Heck… does anyone even USE powers 2-5? I know I’ve only ever just went from 1 all the way to 6… 2x-5x might as well not even exist or just as well show images of large veiny phalluses for all I care. For targets 50-150Y out, 2-4X is really nice since you don't lose the FOV and still have a little extra magnification. 100Y plate rack or MGM spinner is relatively common at major matches. Sure, but to the point of FFP mentioned in the OP… if your zero distance or caliber isn’t silly, anything inside of ~200yd should be point and click anyways… a good 5.56/6/6.5/.30 load out of a decent barrel length zeroed at 200 has a max rise of probably 2”, give or take. In practical use, FFP only adds needless complexity/weight/cost in a 1-6 because something you’d be using 1-5x for with a typical caliber is probably close enough that holdovers aren’t critical... It’s not like a 3-18x or 5-25x where you might be looking at something 600-800yds away using a middling 12x and ballistic drop is a few feet so you need that calibrated reticle. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:25:50 PM EDT
[#34]
I enjoy the USO 1-6x.
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:26:19 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Eotech VUDU meets all your requirements, I think Yup. Although I had the SR3 version on my Noveske 14.5" Love it. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:27:24 PM EDT
[#36]
Wait a minute! Arfcom taught me FFP and Mil/Mil for all scopes.
Glad I have an extra SWFA FFP Mil/Mil 1-6x24. They are nice. However, I do have a 2X GLX Primary Arms on .40 AR pistol Also a 2.5X Primary Arms on a 6.8 SPC My 450 Bushy carbine has a Primary Arms SLX 3X. All the fixed prisms are BDC. I no longer own any SFP variable scopes. BTW: Vortex and Primary Arms are made in some of the same factories. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:28:06 PM EDT
[#37]
Natchez has the Riton 1-6 and it's a solid offering. I swear by them actually.
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:28:22 PM EDT
[#38]
I know you stated FFP, but the Mil/Mil 1-6x Razor is a pretty awesome optic. If it's far enough that you need the reticle, you'll probably be at 6x anyway. I have tried a lot of different scopes, but always come back to a Razor.
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:28:56 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I never knew how much those trijicons cost. Looked one up last night. Was like 1700$ Crazy Lol. Thats double their price. Over double when they are on sale. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:31:12 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have one on my RAR in 350 I like it a lot, not as nice as it's big brother the tango 6 but for the money it's nice Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Seriously considering the 1-6x Sig Tango-MSR LPVO for $279 I dont really need anything more for an AR in my area. Price difference goes up after that quite a bit, but i think it is a pretty decent optic for $300. Any experience with this particular LPVO? I have one on my RAR in 350 I like it a lot, not as nice as it's big brother the tango 6 but for the money it's nice Thanks. I only use straight up red dots on my ARs, and scopes on my longer range bolt rifles. I haven't used an LPVO and I think it is a good optic to get my feet wet with. I shoot out to about 300, generally with ARs and a standard dot. My eyes are getting tired and I think a little magnification would help, while being able to keep the 0 zoom for quick shooting and drills that I mostly do @100 and in. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:31:29 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 1-6x goes better with SFP IMO. This. I never understood why anyone would want a FFP in a LPVO. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:32:07 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I never knew how much those trijicons cost. Looked one up last night. Was like 1700$ Crazy Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: TA33 is best GP optic out there. It has God on it's side. (literally) I never knew how much those trijicons cost. Looked one up last night. Was like 1700$ Crazy TA33s aren’t $1700, not even close. Not even with an RMR included. Where the hell are you looking? |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:33:17 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. Thats double their price. Over double when they are on sale. Oh I guess I just looked it up on their website.prolly cheaper elsewher.e https://www.trijicon.com/products/product-family/trijicon-acog-TA11 |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:35:03 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: TA33s aren’t $1700, not even close. Not even with an RMR included. Where the hell are you looking? I don't know the model numbers but Holy shit this one is 2800$ https://www.trijicon.com/products/details/ta11sdo-cp |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:35:15 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh I guess I just looked it up on their website.prolly cheaper elsewher.e https://www.trijicon.com/products/product-family/trijicon-acog-TA11 Thats a completely different scope. (Those also cost about half that much.) |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:35:36 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh I guess I just looked it up on their website.prolly cheaper elsewher.e https://www.trijicon.com/products/product-family/trijicon-acog-TA11 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lol. Thats double their price. Over double when they are on sale. Oh I guess I just looked it up on their website.prolly cheaper elsewher.e https://www.trijicon.com/products/product-family/trijicon-acog-TA11 Don’t ever look at MSRP on a manufacturer’s website, it will ALWAYS be higher than typical street price. $945 https://www.eurooptic.com/Trijicon-ACOG-3x30-Dual-Illum-Green-Horseshoe-Dot-556x45mm-62gr-Ballistic-Compact-TA33-C-400373.aspx |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:36:37 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thats a completely different scope. (Those also cost about half that much.) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh I guess I just looked it up on their website.prolly cheaper elsewher.e https://www.trijicon.com/products/product-family/trijicon-acog-TA11 Thats a completely different scope. (Those also cost about half that much.) ETA: Covered. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 7:44:40 PM EDT
[#48]
I had a GEN 2 razor and sold it because it wasn't FFP. I now have a PA GLX 1-6 with the griffin reticle.
I've had a cheap sight mark 1.5-5 FFP mildot on my .22 for 15yrs. FFP in LPVO has its place. It's all about the reticle. The PA GLX reticle works pretty good at all powers. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 8:13:31 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: TA33 is best GP optic out there. It has God on it's side. (literally) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Unless you're pretending you're a sniper the 3xmicro prism is the best GP optic out there TA33 is best GP optic out there. It has God on it's side. (literally) No doubt trijicon is a better, more rugged optic but PA has a pretty solid second place |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 8:17:06 PM EDT
[#50]
Delta Stryker 1-6
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