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Posted: 1/9/2018 3:37:43 PM EDT
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I've got 11
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Posted: 1/9/2018 3:38:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/9/2018 3:41:39 PM EDT
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As someone said earlier in the thread, after living your life wanting kids but not being able to have them it's much easier to say you don't want kids than to explain why you don't have them. It's also nobody else's fucking business.
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Posted: 1/9/2018 3:41:55 PM EDT
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I just did a quick calculation and I will be getting to send another check to the .gov for taxes,since I didn't pay them enough, this year. If I calculate in one child, with no further childcare expanses, I would be getting back over $3K. It kind of sounds like more money is being taken from me, because I don't have children, so that it can be given to those with children. There may be some bolsheviks here, but I don't think it's the ones with no kids. Color me shocked. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 3:42:11 PM EDT
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For those that are on the fence and are good folks Ill share.
Wife and I didn't think we wanted a kid. Well we changed our mind and can not imagine our world without him. and we dont even like kids but when it is your own it fucking amazing. I know you've heard it all before but its fucking true. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 3:43:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/9/2018 3:44:05 PM EDT
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Every human on the planet has three biologically programmed purposes when they first breath air. #1 is to survive to reproductive maturity. #2 is to mate and have offspring to continue the cycle. #3 insure that the offspring survive to reproductive maturity. Those that choose to not reproduce take themselves out of that cycle. That inaction is self correcting in the big scheme of things. It's not like if we don't all breed we will be endangered in the next decade, even if only half the population maintains breeding habits that's still billions of humans. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 3:44:41 PM EDT
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Every human on the planet has three biologically programmed purposes when they first breath air. #1 is to survive to reproductive maturity. #2 is to mate and have offspring to continue the cycle. #3 insure that the offspring survive to reproductive maturity. Those that choose to not reproduce take themselves out of that cycle. That inaction is self correcting in the big scheme of things. As has been stated several times in this ridiculous thread already, there are individuals who SHOULD NOT reproduce for any of various reasons. Some simply cannot, some lack the desire to do so for whatever reasons, and some make an informed and conscious decision not to breed. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 3:47:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/9/2018 3:50:39 PM EDT
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People who don't have kids expect the government to care for them in old age. They have rejected traditional family in favor of the nanny state, but karma's going to bite them on the ass once they're in a nursing home with no children to make sure they are being well cared for. Too bad, so sad.
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Posted: 1/9/2018 3:50:39 PM EDT
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Children are a blessing. Men that don’t father children are simply weak. They are the first weak link in the long genetic chain that gave them the gift of life. Having worked in healthcare for over 20 years I can tell you there is nothing more sad than a person approaching the final stages of life with no family. You can bash on having kids/family all you want, but people without children will ultimately regret that decision. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 3:52:12 PM EDT
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I don’t know why i even bothered. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 3:57:17 PM EDT
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Everyone settle down. This is veering into personal insult territory!
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Posted: 1/9/2018 3:57:35 PM EDT
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People who don't have kids expect the government to care for them in old age. They have rejected traditional family in favor of the nanny state, but karma's going to bite them on the ass once they're in a nursing home with no children to make sure they are being well cared for. Too bad, so sad. 
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Posted: 1/9/2018 3:59:12 PM EDT
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People who don't have kids expect the government to care for them in old age. They have rejected traditional family in favor of the nanny state, but karma's going to bite them on the ass once they're in a nursing home with no children to make sure they are being well cared for. Too bad, so sad. Incidentally having kids doesn't necessarily mean they will take care of you in your old age. Nursing homes are full of people whose kids never visit. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 4:09:58 PM EDT
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I see you've been to the Team forum. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 4:18:53 PM EDT
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Negative. Incidentally having kids doesn't necessarily mean they will take care of you in your old age. Nursing homes are full of people whose kids never visit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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People who don't have kids expect the government to care for them in old age. They have rejected traditional family in favor of the nanny state, but karma's going to bite them on the ass once they're in a nursing home with no children to make sure they are being well cared for. Too bad, so sad. Incidentally having kids doesn't necessarily mean they will take care of you in your old age. Nursing homes are full of people whose kids never visit. I think an expectation today of most people for their golden years is their care will be rendered by their spouse and/or paid staff in an assisted living facility or nursing home. The quality of said staff vary dramatically based on what you can afford. Just have Medicare, have fun with that bottom of the barrel nursing home that reeks of soild linens and is staffed by CNAs that barely speak English and rarely come change your depends. Have a decent retirement, then depending on how much you have you get to live out your years in a better quality place. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 4:21:13 PM EDT
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Everyone settle down. This is veering into personal insult territory! |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 4:22:25 PM EDT
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Negative. Incidentally having kids doesn't necessarily mean they will take care of you in your old age. Nursing homes are full of people whose kids never visit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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People who don't have kids expect the government to care for them in old age. They have rejected traditional family in favor of the nanny state, but karma's going to bite them on the ass once they're in a nursing home with no children to make sure they are being well cared for. Too bad, so sad. Incidentally having kids doesn't necessarily mean they will take care of you in your old age. Nursing homes are full of people whose kids never visit. Or buying a corvette when your old and delirious and driving it into the grand canyon... thats what I hope to do 
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Posted: 1/9/2018 4:25:37 PM EDT
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Fpni as always
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Posted: 1/9/2018 4:28:25 PM EDT
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If people are healthy and successful(and conservative) I sort of think it's a moral imperative to have children. If it is a moral imperative it would have to be applied universally, not just to "people that are healthy and successful (and conservative)". So...your premise is wrong. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 4:30:15 PM EDT
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Everyone settle down. This is veering into personal insult territory! |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 5:04:18 PM EDT
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The only way I'd say church answering that question is if it was accompanied by "do not look for them in". I don't know where a young man would find women like that anymore, but I know that church is not that place. Very happy to be out of the dating pool at this point. There is possibly an alternative for ATC. If you are willing to adopt, and you're willing to accept a child that might not be completely perfect, it can be surprisingly easy even doing it as a single parent. It will depend on the laws in your state, of course. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I want a kid...I just can't find anyone that will let me stick my dick in them  There is possibly an alternative for ATC. If you are willing to adopt, and you're willing to accept a child that might not be completely perfect, it can be surprisingly easy even doing it as a single parent. It will depend on the laws in your state, of course.
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Posted: 1/9/2018 5:14:57 PM EDT
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People who don't have kids expect the government to care for them in old age. They have rejected traditional family in favor of the nanny state, but karma's going to bite them on the ass once they're in a nursing home with no children to make sure they are being well cared for. Too bad, so sad. So lol. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 5:18:15 PM EDT
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Demographics is destiny.
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Posted: 1/9/2018 5:19:49 PM EDT
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I have 3 and wouldn't mind a 4th.
Isn't doesn't take long on GD to be happy some of you choose not to have kids. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 5:24:01 PM EDT
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i have a 6yr old son and 3yr old girl. is it easy? no. is it for everyone? no.
i dont understand why people get all worked up over things like this. its nobody's business what you want to do w/ your life. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 5:27:27 PM EDT
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The only people with kids in San Francisco are the Chinese community, Mexicans in the Mission district who are being pushed out by "gentrification" as locals call it and that bottom right hand corner on the map is what's left of the 6.5% of the city that is black
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Posted: 1/9/2018 5:31:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i have a 6yr old son and 3yr old girl. is it easy? no. is it for everyone? no. i dont understand why people get all worked up over things like this. its nobody's business what you want to do w/ your life. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 5:37:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/9/2018 5:54:36 PM EDT
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At the moment we are past the need for it, and people know this. It's not like if we don't all breed we will be endangered in the next decade, even if only half the population maintains breeding habits that's still billions of humans. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Every human on the planet has three biologically programmed purposes when they first breath air. #1 is to survive to reproductive maturity. #2 is to mate and have offspring to continue the cycle. #3 insure that the offspring survive to reproductive maturity. Those that choose to not reproduce take themselves out of that cycle. That inaction is self correcting in the big scheme of things. It's not like if we don't all breed we will be endangered in the next decade, even if only half the population maintains breeding habits that's still billions of humans. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 5:56:00 PM EDT
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there is no "moral imperative" to have children I personally think it's odd to not want to have children, but at the same time I think there are plenty of people that shouldn't have children This is another one of those topics where idiots cook up "moral" arguments that they contradict in other threads. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 6:02:04 PM EDT
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Not having kids is the biggest FU to the biggest slave master of them all, mother nature.
Having no skin in the game is great. And for all those proud fathers, let me tell you the list of crack-head hoes from upper class families I've met.... Bottom-line, you will slave your life away for someone else who will not appreciate it one bit. I am lucky to have a good wife. Why would I want to take a chance and ruin what we have? (which is 5 luxury cars, two homes, and machine guns....sounds horrible I know). |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 8:05:50 PM EDT
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People who don't have kids expect the government to care for them in old age. They have rejected traditional family in favor of the nanny state, but karma's going to bite them on the ass once they're in a nursing home with no children to make sure they are being well cared for. Too bad, so sad. My worst effing nightmare is forcing some poor soul to clean me, wipe my ass, help me do mundane tasks, I would never ever burdon someone with those things. When I'm to old to feed myself or wipe my own ass I will die a dignified death, if I make it that long. I know some people can't wrap their heads around this, but I like being alone, other people annoy me, I don't want them around...at all...period. It's not because I'm angry, or sad, or psycotic, or whatever, I'm super happy and love life,..as long as I don't have to put up with other people. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 8:24:48 PM EDT
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I hear this one a lot as welll,.. who will take care of you when your old?... My worst effing nightmare is forcing some poor soul to clean me, wipe my ass, help me do mundane tasks, I would never ever burdon someone with those things. When I'm to old to feed myself or wipe my own ass I will die a dignified death, if I make it that long. I know some people can't wrap their heads around this, but I like being alone, other people annoy me, I don't want them around...at all...period. It's not because I'm angry, or sad, or psycotic, or whatever, I'm super happy and love life,..as long as I don't have to put up with other people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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People who don't have kids expect the government to care for them in old age. They have rejected traditional family in favor of the nanny state, but karma's going to bite them on the ass once they're in a nursing home with no children to make sure they are being well cared for. Too bad, so sad. My worst effing nightmare is forcing some poor soul to clean me, wipe my ass, help me do mundane tasks, I would never ever burdon someone with those things. When I'm to old to feed myself or wipe my own ass I will die a dignified death, if I make it that long. I know some people can't wrap their heads around this, but I like being alone, other people annoy me, I don't want them around...at all...period. It's not because I'm angry, or sad, or psycotic, or whatever, I'm super happy and love life,..as long as I don't have to put up with other people. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 8:28:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: that's part of planning to have enough money to get you through death, you know retirement savings Or buying a corvette when your old and delirious and driving it into the grand canyon... thats what I hope to do |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 8:31:32 PM EDT
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But that doesn't make for good GD threads, now does it?
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Posted: 1/9/2018 8:44:33 PM EDT
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I'm a cripple, partially by injury and partially by birth. I cannot give a child what a father should be able to give. Add in the factor of having a few serious genetic issues that I'd be devastated to force upon a child and it's not right for me to have a child. It isn't selfishness and I expect no government or person to take care of me in my old age.
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Posted: 1/9/2018 9:04:07 PM EDT
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Really? Or do you mean a woman that is at least semi-attractive/nice/sense of humor? A woman is not that hard to find, plenty of psycho's, scrawnies, fatties, medically desperate, married women, stalkers, older women etc... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I want a kid...I just can't find anyone that will let me stick my dick in them A woman is not that hard to find, plenty of psycho's, scrawnies, fatties, medically desperate, married women, stalkers, older women etc... And then there's the whole, "If they are still single at 30, then just how fucking crazy (or ugly) are they?!" Yeah, that ship has sailed for me
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Posted: 1/9/2018 9:12:25 PM EDT
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Their favorite term is crotchfruit, when I hear that I know I'm dealing with an imbecile. 
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Posted: 1/9/2018 9:13:59 PM EDT
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I agree OP, the idea of ending your bloodline with yourself voluntarily is just bizarre to me. It's unnatural. It's short sighted, and as most "no kids but have the means" folks will admit it's selfish. But hey, it's just not in the hand your dealt for some. You don't want kids, no sweat off my back. I got no ill will towards you. Carry on! Meeting people in their 60s-80s that didn't have kids is a humbling experience. Some have outright told me they regret not having them....and I think regret is a polite term to the emotions I saw in them. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 9:15:06 PM EDT
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there is no "moral imperative" to have children I personally think it's odd to not want to have children, but at the same time I think there are plenty of people that shouldn't have children |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 9:18:11 PM EDT
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Let's fight for our 2A rights, protect the US Constitution, live free or die! So that we can allow Western Civilization to dry up and disappear. Fuck the sacrifices made by the dozen or so modern generations of my ancestors. I AM THE FINAL END PRODUCT--- IT WAS ALL FOR ME!!!!!! I have no obligation to them, or to the God who made it possible. My great grandfather boarded a ship, left Copenhagen, started from nothing, failed at farming in Illinois, failed at farming in Wisconsin, finally succeeded in Minnesota where he built a solid foundation for our family. FUCK HIM!!!!!!!! Oh, and I will be supported in my dotage by the labor of OTHER PEOPLE'S KIDS. I feel no moral compunction about any of this, because I am a modern American. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 9:21:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only way I'd say church answering that question is if it was accompanied by "do not look for them in". I don't know where a young man would find women like that anymore, but I know that church is not that place. Very happy to be out of the dating pool at this point. There is possibly an alternative for ATC. If you are willing to adopt, and you're willing to accept a child that might not be completely perfect, it can be surprisingly easy even doing it as a single parent. It will depend on the laws in your state, of course. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 9:23:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/9/2018 9:24:45 PM EDT
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No. I'm quite conservative as is my wife, but we have no interest whatsoever in ever having kids. Fuck that noise. Never wanted it growing up, never had the urge ever in my life to have offspring.
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Posted: 1/9/2018 9:28:20 PM EDT
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No kids and no regrets. Several people I know have had unplanned pregnancies and fatherless children. This is the beginning of welfare. If a lot of other people had been as responsible as I then we wouldn't have welfare, housing projects and dignity cards.
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Posted: 1/9/2018 9:30:52 PM EDT
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I have kids and grandkids.
I like my kids, I just don't like anyone else's kids. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 9:31:53 PM EDT
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If ARFCOM says you must have children, then you must have children. So let it be written, so let it be done.
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Posted: 1/9/2018 9:33:38 PM EDT
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Some people don't want kids. They should probably stop complaining about the direction or country is moving in though.
A single person or a couple without kids can contribute plenty to society (taxes, charity, activism, whatever) to earn their right to bitch. |
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