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Posted: 8/22/2021 2:43:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gay bar sex toys? Da Fuq ? You saw that pic and instantly though about putting them in your butt. Interesting. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 3:02:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Filled mine with American dimes because it's a change purse. Nifty!  https://www.itstactical.com/gearcom/edc/making-change-less-lethal-coin-purse-mean-gene-leather/ |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 3:13:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Find this interesting. For those scenarios where you don’t want to use a firearm, but still have a legal justification and need to adjust an attitude. Bar soap in a tube sock. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 3:53:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: These seem interesting but it seems like every state has some archaic law from the 50's which will ruin your life if you're caught with one.  The law says slung shot, sand clubs, and metal knuckles are illegal. Nothing about saps, jacks or non metal knuckles. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 4:27:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Instead of striking with the flat side …you’d turn it and strike with the edge. It is very rigid and more narrow and still has the punch of the lead in it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I know nothing about saps, though they were only effective/used in smacking the noodle, Interesting. What is an edge strike? Instead of striking with the flat side …you’d turn it and strike with the edge. It is very rigid and more narrow and still has the punch of the lead in it. Exactly! Edge strikes are brutal. I made a nice dent in top of my wood work bench testing it. I didn't even hit it full force, I didn't want to mess up my slappy. @LS1POWERED You have to be real careful when striking to the skull especially in thinner bone area. Think rabbit punch strength. they work really good going for nerve plexus areas and joints. The heavy ones you can even go for muscles. My uncle said if you use one of these right and have to go to court, by the time you go to court the bump and bruises have healed. Seems better than blood and cuts. Grandaddy and his brothers were old school, they both agreed they are handy weapons for self defense if a gun was over zealous and these often times stopped a fight. I have this old buchmeier junior, I would like to make one using this as a template. It can't be too hard, right?? LOL I will be going to check out the OP's suggested company as well. I definitely need something newer than my old weathered one.  |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 4:39:49 AM EDT
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I have one in my car. Good for mini TONKS.
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Posted: 8/22/2021 6:06:47 AM EDT
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You need to know how to use those. It's not like TV. If you haul off with a round house swing and hit someone in the head you might kill them.
I assisted a small town cop in a mini-brawl one night as he attempted to process one of a group of guys he'd arrested before putting them in a cell. He was rolling around on the floor with one of them, I pulled another one off his back and shoved his face into a corner and looked at the 3rd guy who through his hands up and gave the "I'm cool , I'm cool man" speech that told me he wasn't going to get off the bench and join the fight. The officer had chosen the biggest meanest one first and wasn't winning the fight till he pulled that sap (smaller than the one in the OP's post) out of his back pocket and wrist slapped the guy between the eyes. That big guy's head dropped back on the floor with a thud and he said, "I'm done man, I'm done, get off me." When the officer got up the guy complied with the direction to empty his pockets, remove his belt, shoe laces, etc. and was taken to a cell. I was amazed at what a "soft" tap that was vs. what I'd always seen on movies. You know, they used to make leather gloves with shot pockets on the outsides of the finger/knuckle areas. I heard those worked very well, too. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 6:11:54 AM EDT
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I've got an old one my father had. It's not something I'd carry though. Things that are made for other purposes than self defense are legal and useful. A child's baseball bat, hickory ax handle, and an oak dowel rod come to mind.
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Posted: 8/22/2021 6:35:49 AM EDT
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Quoted: Got a new sap from Todd Foster. 9 inches 15 ounces. Shot filled. It would knock someone into next week. Saps and Jacks are the most under rated defense things you can carry IMO. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/81840/354E0673-E708-4A01-B4B5-F0C8AD163399_jpe-2061529.JPG |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 6:38:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You should see what I can do with 9 inches. I’d like to see. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 6:42:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Filled mine with American dimes because it's a change purse. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 7:11:04 AM EDT
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Heavy duty change purses to me make the most sense.
Nickel (nickels are 75% zinc and 25% nickel) is about 25% less heavy than lead, zinc is about 35%. Seems like a fair trade off for plausible deniability. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 7:18:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You should see what I can do with 9 inches. Suck it ? 
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Posted: 8/22/2021 7:18:45 AM EDT
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I thought I was done spending money.
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Posted: 8/22/2021 7:26:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You should see what I can do with 9 inches. That's what she said...
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Posted: 8/22/2021 7:31:16 AM EDT
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Problem with "coin purses" is that one can only use a flat side. With real saps one can use a flat, an edge, and a point to "stab". A lot more versatile and effective. In fact, I would not call a coin purse a "coin sap" but rather a "coin slung shot".
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Posted: 8/22/2021 7:36:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Beat it flatfoot |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 7:43:07 AM EDT
[#18]
Back in the day, the saying was. I will hit you so hard, when you wake up your clothes will be out of style.
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Posted: 8/22/2021 7:48:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most places consider it a deadly weapon if you crack someone with it. Also many places (liberal shitholes) consider mere possession of it to be a misdemeanor. I was issued a large and a small sap in the academy back in 1998... Mine was one of the last classes to get them. Within 2 or 3 years they were taken out of policy in favor of expandable batons... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: These seem interesting but it seems like every state has some archaic law from the 50's which will ruin your life if you're caught with one. Most places consider it a deadly weapon if you crack someone with it. Also many places (liberal shitholes) consider mere possession of it to be a misdemeanor. I was issued a large and a small sap in the academy back in 1998... Mine was one of the last classes to get them. Within 2 or 3 years they were taken out of policy in favor of expandable batons... In terms of "Tonk" in your experience which works better ? 
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Posted: 8/22/2021 7:56:37 AM EDT
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Definitely need a lanyard for that thing
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Posted: 8/22/2021 7:57:54 AM EDT
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Saw thread title.
Was worried that pics of my penis had been leaked to the Interwebz. 
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Posted: 8/22/2021 8:00:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Laughs in Your little twig hasn't got jack on what a sap is capable of. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 8:00:54 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2021 8:01:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know nothing about saps, though they were only effective/used in smacking the noodle, Interesting. What is an edge strike? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My granddaddy brother was chief of police in a small town in North Carolina told me said never hit with full power. you can break a man's arm with ease with an edge strike. Simple way to disable them with out too much trouble. I know nothing about saps, though they were only effective/used in smacking the noodle, Interesting. What is an edge strike? You don't use saps and blackjacks on the head unless you want to kill the other guy. Edge strikes, imagine a blunt sword. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 8:02:03 AM EDT
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My brother has our grandfather's old night watchman's stick. It's about a foot long covered in leather discs with a lead core. Thing would seriously eff you up if it connected.
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Posted: 8/22/2021 8:07:19 AM EDT
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Quoted: Got a new sap from Todd Foster. 9 inches 15 ounces. Shot filled. It would knock someone into next week. Saps and Jacks are the most under rated defense things you can carry IMO. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/81840/354E0673-E708-4A01-B4B5-F0C8AD163399_jpe-2061529.JPG NICE!!! that's awesome!!! |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 8:07:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2021 8:09:50 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You should see what I can do with 9 inches. No gag reflex? I bet you're popular. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 8:19:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: These seem interesting but it seems like every state has some archaic law from the 50's which will ruin your life if you're caught with one. Yup. Can’t carry one in PA. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 8:22:35 AM EDT
[#30]
Quoted: Got a new sap from Todd Foster. 9 inches 15 ounces. Shot filled. It would knock someone into next week. Saps and Jacks are the most under rated defense things you can carry IMO. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/81840/354E0673-E708-4A01-B4B5-F0C8AD163399_jpe-2061529.JPG  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 8:22:35 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You need to know how to use those. It's not like TV. If you haul off with a round house swing and hit someone in the head you might kill them. I assisted a small town cop in a mini-brawl one night as he attempted to process one of a group of guys he'd arrested before putting them in a cell. He was rolling around on the floor with one of them, I pulled another one off his back and shoved his face into a corner and looked at the 3rd guy who through his hands up and gave the "I'm cool , I'm cool man" speech that told me he wasn't going to get off the bench and join the fight. The officer had chosen the biggest meanest one first and wasn't winning the fight till he pulled that sap (smaller than the one in the OP's post) out of his back pocket and wrist slapped the guy between the eyes. That big guy's head dropped back on the floor with a thud and he said, "I'm done man, I'm done, get off me." When the officer got up the guy complied with the direction to empty his pockets, remove his belt, shoe laces, etc. and was taken to a cell. I was amazed at what a "soft" tap that was vs. what I'd always seen on movies. You know, they used to make leather gloves with shot pockets on the outsides of the finger/knuckle areas. I heard those worked very well, too. They were not designed for nor ever intended to be used for head strikes. That would be relatively close to using a dead blow hammer on someones head... aka idiotic. They were specifically designed for close in fights where an officer couldn't deliver a full strike or punch, specifically against areas like thighs whenever possible, and with restraint. One of the reasons PD's ditched them so quickly (but long before political correctness became a thing) is how dangerous they can be, great for a life or death fight, but cops were "tuning up" thugs and breaking bones, dislocating joints, bursting organs, tearing muscle/ligament, and simply killing people. A leather sap is a lethal weapon but not in the same vein as say a bat, a sap is actually worse because it takes so much less effort, effectively it's closer to a hammer. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 8:25:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your little twig hasn't got jack on what a sap is capable of. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Laughs in Your little twig hasn't got jack on what a sap is capable of.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 8:27:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't use saps and blackjacks on the head unless you want to kill the other guy. Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't use saps and blackjacks on the head unless you want to kill the other guy. Fact Edge strikes, imagine a blunt sword. Edge strikes will split the seem and twist the grip in your hand. They are specifically meant to be used on the flat as it is more effective in causing pain and disruption due to the larger surface area. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 8:29:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistorySo what you're saying is that you have no experience with using such weapons. Thanks for clearing that up. 
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Posted: 8/22/2021 8:33:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So what you're saying is that you have no experience with using such weapons. Thanks for clearing that up. Quote HistoryQuoted: So what you're saying is that you have no experience with using such weapons. Thanks for clearing that up. I have used both. The advantage of the sap is that it fits in the pocket. The shillelagh will break concrete blocks. ETA The cold steel shillelagh is more than twice the weight and three times as long. It hits way harder. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 8:33:53 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes…a few are legal though. Utah is good to go. I think texas is? ETA Utah you are good if you have a CCW. It covers “dangerous weapons”. I go to a barber shop where the AG of Utah goes ..I asked him he said it’s kinda a gray area and they are allowed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: These seem interesting but it seems like every state has some archaic law from the 50's which will ruin your life if you're caught with one. Yes…a few are legal though. Utah is good to go. I think texas is? ETA Utah you are good if you have a CCW. It covers “dangerous weapons”. I go to a barber shop where the AG of Utah goes ..I asked him he said it’s kinda a gray area and they are allowed. Tejas is gtg for them |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 8:34:41 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have used both. No, clearly you haven't. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 8:35:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here is one more iteration in a sense. I have flown with this several times and TSA has never looked twice at it. I just clip it to my backpack and it looks like a key chain? Either way it’s never been a problem. The leather part is a loop that fits your hand and the snap hook part weighs 10 ounces. It would do a ton of damage also. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/81840/666B9BA6-AF60-48E8-AFC8-3070C5B78359_jpe-2061597.JPG Where to buy this key chain? My current key chain has been replaced a couple of times. This key chain looks like it would hold up well for hard use. Thanks |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 8:36:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fact Edge strikes will split the seem and twist the grip in your hand. They are specifically meant to be used on the flat as it is more effective in causing pain and disruption due to the larger area. Keep talking...any specific strike zones that are effective but won't cause long lasting damage. I understand training is key. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 8:37:15 AM EDT
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I still have my German Police Gummi Stick and that thing will bring a world of pain with it. [Gummiknueppel]
[spring steel surrounded by hard rubber]  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 8:46:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, clearly you haven't. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have used both. No, clearly you haven't. You are perpetually wrong. I know you are only like 20 years old so I just have to laugh at your ignorance. The shillelagh is absolutely devastating. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 8:50:04 AM EDT
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Against drunk, unarmed, unwary people I'm sure it does a great job.
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Posted: 8/22/2021 8:50:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: These seem interesting but it seems like every state has some archaic law from the 50's which will ruin your life if you're caught with one. They are legal in Texas. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 8:52:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Daily back pocket carry. Boston Leather..Texan model 4ply..11” https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/542569/95241E88-C25D-4DC4-8A2F-7CBC54571652_jpe-2061679.JPG I use the same one IWB behind my belt sheath for my knife. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 8:54:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know nothing about saps, though they were only effective/used in smacking the noodle, Interesting. What is an edge strike? You hit someone on the thigh right above the knee and they hobble around in circles for a few days. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 8:54:42 AM EDT
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Thought about doing one with some of the tungsten shot that I have. At nearly twice the density of lead, you could make it smaller for the same weight. Same force applied to a smaller area equals more pow per pop.
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Posted: 8/22/2021 8:56:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I use the same one IWB behind my belt sheath for my knife. Interesting. Is it kept in place with just the belt pressure ? |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 9:02:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes…a few are legal though. Utah is good to go. I think texas is? ETA Utah you are good if you have a CCW. It covers “dangerous weapons”. I go to a barber shop where the AG of Utah goes ..I asked him he said it’s kinda a gray area and they are allowed. If Texas tells me I can't have one, I am for sure ordering one then.. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 9:05:40 AM EDT
[#49]
Not today GD, you won't cost me any money.
Cause I bought one the last time this subject came up.
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Posted: 8/22/2021 9:09:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are perpetually wrong. I know you are only like 20 years old so I just have to laugh at your ignorance. The shillelagh is absolutely devastating. Your immediate retreat to ad hominem says I'm right on the money 
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