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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:30:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:30:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn'r want the Hagia Sofia or the Cordoba Mosque to burn. They're amazing buildings. "Under new management..." |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:30:59 PM EDT
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Glad I went to it in the 80's, I'll be dead and buried before it is ever completely redone and it still won't be as it was.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:31:30 PM EDT
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Guess it was just lucky the 900 other years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Could have been something as simple as a short from some wiring going to the work lights. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:31:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIs it preferable to most on this site that this is a ROP job vs a simple construction accident that caused this? |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:32:21 PM EDT
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That was my one comment about it. After making that comment I'm now seeing about half the posts here are all about the blame game. So I wasn't off. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:33:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 3 year old news article, not today. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:33:13 PM EDT
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Watching it burn is gut wrenching. I don't believe anybody has been injured, and for that I am thankful, but to see an irreplaceable monument filled with historical treasures, a work of art both inside and out be destroyed is tragic. Even though they are just man made things that were destined to crumble at some point. It is sad that it's fate befell today.
ETA: Praying for the injured firefighter. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:33:30 PM EDT
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In this case they will find what they are told to find. There is only one scenario that is not the answer, even if it is the truth. It seems like they even try to credit for death and destruction they don't do. Are there any muslim groups claiming credit for this? |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:33:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously? One of the greatest losses to western culture and it is jokes? This is funny? God for fucking bid patience is exercised while we wait for the smoke to clear and get some answers before we start pointing fingers of blame and use that time to reflect on that tragedy. So yes it's jokes, because that's what a lot of this thread has become. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:34:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:34:28 PM EDT
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I'm late on this story and about to read this thread. Knowing GD is going to GD, I'm sure the conspiracy theorist/Muslims did it! has started here since it's all over the news article comment section...and GD has much of the same types of people. After making that comment I'm now seeing about half the posts here are all about the blame game. So I wasn't off. Immaculate timing no? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/262787/594FBE85-617D-4A07-A976-9E3E01215A73_jpeg-913633.JPG https://www.thejournal.ie/france-jails-jihadist-woman-accused-over-foiled-terror-attack-in-paris-4590216-Apr2019/ Madani’s trial for trying to set fire to the car filled with six gas cylinders near Notre Dame will begin on 23 September. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:34:45 PM EDT
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Earlier I figured the fire wasn't too bad and would be quickly knocked down. I mean a historical site like that wouldn't be allowed to burn, right?
Ugh. This is depressing. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:34:46 PM EDT
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This was 3 years ago. Is it preferable to most on this site that this is a ROP job vs a simple construction accident that caused this? Quote HistoryQuoted:
This was 3 years ago. Is it preferable to most on this site that this is a ROP job vs a simple construction accident that caused this? One of those involved was sentenced on Friday. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:34:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:35:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This was 3 years ago. Is it preferable to most on this site that this is a ROP job vs a simple construction accident that caused this? I think finding the root cause is essential. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:35:15 PM EDT
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well, that doesn't play into GD's chicken little scenario Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:35:17 PM EDT
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Husband (architect and engineer) pointed out that whoever the contractor on this Notre Dame renovation was, they're legally and financially fucked now. That got me curious about the firm ... which led to some old articles and, oh man, the aftermath of this is gonna be messy ... https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1117874743711948800.html |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:36:00 PM EDT
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You realize that laser scans are a real Thing and I’d honestly be suprised it wouldn’t have been done on something this historic and iconic. You’re literally talking a few days of work Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Yes . . . In fact, 3D CAD models of the entire structure have existed for some time. In, theory . . . it could actually be 3D Printed . . . if you could build a printer large enough.  Thing and I’d honestly be suprised it wouldn’t have been done on something this historic and iconic. You’re literally talking a few days of work |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:36:31 PM EDT
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This was 3 years ago. Is it preferable to most on this site that this is a ROP job vs a simple construction accident that caused this? Quote HistoryQuoted:
This was 3 years ago. Is it preferable to most on this site that this is a ROP job vs a simple construction accident that caused this? It's not preferable, it's just the reality of the situation. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:36:36 PM EDT
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Some people did something....
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:36:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You tell me? No seriously, 1/2 of this thread is knee-jerk reactionary conspiratioral bullshit with no basis in fact what so ever. No maybe those individuals will be proven right, or maybe it's just a simple construction accident; nobody knows at this point. God for fucking bid patience is exercised while we wait for the smoke to clear and get some answers before we start pointing fingers of blame and use that time to reflect on that tragedy. So yes it's jokes, because that's what a lot of this thread has become. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:36:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:36:56 PM EDT
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Imagine you were a worker inside and it was something you did... Like cutting metal and spark catching some oily rags on fire/immediately getting out of control? Imagine the guilt. To give you an idea of the history... That's crazy to think about. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Imagine you were a worker inside and it was something you did... Like cutting metal and spark catching some oily rags on fire/immediately getting out of control? Imagine the guilt. To give you an idea of the history... When Napoleon coronation at Notre Dame took place, it was already 600 years old!
Napolean's coronation is incredibly recent in terms of Notre Dame's age. The amount of time between then and now represents less than 25% of the cathedral's existence. It was built in 1163, one year after Genghis Khan's birth (or at least our best guess of his birth). Notre Dame predated Marco Polo and the founding of the Ottoman Empire by more than a century. It predates the creation of Islam. At the time of its construction, the best estimates for the global population are ~300 million (less than the current population of the United States). The cathedral was almost 200 years old when the Black Death destroyed a third of the world's population. The USA is currently younger than Notre Dame was when the Forbidden City was constructed in Beijing. It was 3 centuries old when Machu Picchu was built and Leonardo Da Vinci was born. It was over 400 years old when Shakespeare's Globe Theatre was built. It predated the original King James Version of the Bible by 450 years. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:37:39 PM EDT
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well, that doesn't play into GD's chicken little scenario Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: 3 year old news article, not today. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:38:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:38:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:39:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:39:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You tell me? No seriously, 1/2 of this thread is knee-jerk reactionary conspiratioral bullshit with no basis in fact what so ever. No maybe those individuals will be proven right, or maybe it's just a simple construction accident; nobody knows at this point. God for fucking bid patience is exercised while we wait for the smoke to clear and get some answers before we start pointing fingers of blame and use that time to reflect on that tragedy. So yes it's jokes, because that's what a lot of this thread has become. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:40:10 PM EDT
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I'm part of that chicken little crowd. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:40:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have been in two old wooden floor cotton mills where a hotwork boo boo started a fire. It went from is it smoking over there to fuck get the fire extinguisher now in seconds. Hard to believe it was work related and not noticed with those building materials.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:40:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hell, I'm already about hated here - so I'll say it: The French fought beside us in our own revolution. They fought beside us in two world wars. They gifted us the Statue of Liberty. Today, I morn alongside my French brothers for what is lost. Today is not the day for jokes. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:40:49 PM EDT
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I don't even know if you could. Does the skill set to make stained glass windows of that quality or carved wooden reliefs like they had even exist anymore? The paintings and sculptures? Irreplaceable. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:40:50 PM EDT
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Just some people doing some things. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:40:54 PM EDT
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Husband (architect and engineer) pointed out that whoever the contractor on this Notre Dame renovation was, they're legally and financially fucked now. That got me curious about the firm ... which led to some old articles and, oh man, the aftermath of this is gonna be messy ... https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1117874743711948800.html |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:41:05 PM EDT
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As much as I hate to admit it, this shit didnt happen under Jacques Chirac
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:41:10 PM EDT
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It won't be the same, but I wonder if they will rebuild it.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:41:43 PM EDT
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A guy I worked with a few years back is in Paris right now, and posted some pictures. He says the French people are VERY ANGRY. Talk of it being arson, etc.
I'm not sure we have any solid news of that yet, but he has gotten as close as he can to the cathedral, and that's what he's hearing from the French people there. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:41:45 PM EDT
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Are you saying that you are woman? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Husband (architect and engineer) pointed out that whoever the contractor on this Notre Dame renovation was, they're legally and financially fucked now. That got me curious about the firm ... which led to some old articles and, oh man, the aftermath of this is gonna be messy ... https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1117874743711948800.html |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:42:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:42:42 PM EDT
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What type of construction was used at Notre Dame?
Heavy timber is fairly fire resistant. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:43:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ciao. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:43:48 PM EDT
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This was 3 years ago. Is it preferable to most on this site that this is a ROP job vs a simple construction accident that caused this? Quote HistoryQuoted:
This was 3 years ago. Is it preferable to most on this site that this is a ROP job vs a simple construction accident that caused this? If it was lightning, many would be left with "why" and have no acceptable answer. If it was some asshole executing agenda, that's easily understood, rationalized, and the reactions all come from an existing catalog. It's that much more senseless if some tool was soldering pipe and just burned down one of the most important buildings in the history of buildings. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:44:32 PM EDT
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I don't think this was a ROPer event or even a construction accident; I think the Catholic Church set the fire so they could get the insurance money.
"That's real retarded" |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:45:10 PM EDT
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A guy I worked with a few years back is in Paris right now, and posted some pictures. He says the French people are VERY ANGRY. Talk of it being arson, etc. I'm not sure we have any solid news of that yet, but he has gotten as close as he can to the cathedral, and that's what he's hearing from the French people there. Fuck it, just send that one SAS dude from Kenya to sort the fuckers out. In the end, it’s going to be a construction accident. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:45:46 PM EDT
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There are a few things that challenge coincidenality.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:46:03 PM EDT
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Looks like this is the official narrative now on Fox News. Dana Perino opened with it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: That's crazy talk. It must have been construction. No other possible explanation. We haven't even started the investigation, but we can rule one thing out. Must be construction. Gotta be. That would be globally destabilizing. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:46:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hard to say but it doesn't look too bad. The ceiling looks mostly intact. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/334296/Screen_Shot_2019-04-15_at_5_37_11_PM_png-913643.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/334296/Screen_Shot_2019-04-15_at_5_37_21_PM_png-913644.JPG This drawing shows details of the entire structure and makes it fairly simple to see exactly what happened.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:47:17 PM EDT
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You are, of course, correct, but hopefully, you also understand that the entire purpose of laser scans are to generate 3D CAD models. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Yes . . . In fact, 3D CAD models of the entire structure have existed for some time. In, theory . . . it could actually be 3D Printed . . . if you could build a printer large enough. Thing and I’d honestly be suprised it wouldn’t have been done on something this historic and iconic. You’re literally talking a few days of work My company just built and installed a 3000sqft 4 million dollar display based on the laser scan of the interior of a building. There are many types of laser scans |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:47:30 PM EDT
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