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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:01:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SkyFive: 20k short of 1,000,000 views!! on a 2.5 day thread. This has to be a Arfcom record. Why isn’t this thread rated EPIC? 
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:01:57 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glock27bill: Dunno if this has been posted before. Thirty seven minute interview with Erik Prince (Blackwater founder) by Patrick Bet-David. Prince says that the Secret Service snipers have a Don't Shoot First policy! So much WTF, but Prince stops short of saying what we're all thinking.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxpJnUWHxdsBongino, who WAS SS, says that is bullshit. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:02:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:02:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Riply21: There is literally a woman in the video Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Riply21: Originally Posted By WDEagle:
Yes, in the camera crew, and in the crowd. NOT in the detail. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:02:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Riply21: There is literally a woman in the video Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Riply21: Originally Posted By WDEagle:
Not in his SS video. Thats a media person at the start. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:02:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Elvis121: At 150 yards, it should still have been really obvious that wasn't a SWAT member. They have pretty good glass on those rifles. I have a shit $400 vortex on my 308 and can easily pick up impacts on a shot up 8” plate at 400 yard. No way they couldn’t see exactly who this was. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:02:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: WDEagle]
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Riply21: There is literally a woman in the video Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Riply21: Originally Posted By WDEagle:
The woman with the camera crew? |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:02:46 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WDEagle:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/174498/Screenshot_2024-07-15_225715_png-3268041.JPG Lol, imagine that. Any new info? I gave up in this thread at page 175. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:02:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norsk: I gotcha. I think I've spent too much time in here.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norsk: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: We have no confirmation of that and the ages may not line up. People are still posting pictures of another snothead on twitter who isn't him too. I gotcha. I think I've spent too much time in here. I've scanned almost every single page of the thread and I'm having trouble keeping up. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:03:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Riply21: There is literally a woman in the video In the secret service detail? If there was, I missed it. In fact my son and I were just watching and discussed the fact he was more heavily surrounded by all men, tall men. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:03:29 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Reports are they were assigned to be on the roof of that building but went inside because ... " its tooo hooooot whaaaa " Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By 9D1Alpha: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By DVCER: Originally Posted By ranging-by-zipcode: I don't know if this has been posted yet in the thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tReC8aNS0AHoly cow. The building was full of cops too. I have to stop and ask, was the roof insulated? If not ... HELLO, guy panther-crawling up the roof dragging a rifle? BANG THUD WHUMP DRAG EEEEE sounds inside of the building! What are they doing in a building , looking out the windows ? Reports are they were assigned to be on the roof of that building but went inside because ... " its tooo hooooot whaaaa " |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:04:15 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSG:
The hits keep right on coming. 
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:04:15 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ranging-by-zipcode: interesting Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ranging-by-zipcode: Originally Posted By APPARITION: Trump Shooter Had Account on Discord—Where Feds Target Gamers 'Officials said in 2023, the FBI worked to increase engagement with gaming and gaming-adjacent companies...' https://headlineusa.com/trump-shooter-had-account-on-discord-where-feds-target-gamers/ interesting The title is clickbait. It means that the feds trawl discord looking for gamers doing naughty stuff. It doesn't mean they found the kid in a specific discord server that was targetted. You have to click through and read the article to find that out. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:04:18 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Yes, in the camera crew, and in the crowd. NOT in the detail. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:04:38 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rebel31: I don't think they do. Keep in mind the protection for a sitting US president is not the same for a candidate or even former US president. SS secures an inner perimeter then relies on local LE for the rest. The inner perimeter is relatively small. It's not hundreds of yards wide in all directions for a candidate or former POTUS. I think there is a compelling reason after Trump getting shot that SS needs to have significantly more resources compared to what they have now and rely less on local/state LE for protecting people. SWAT teams in the US vary WILDLY in their ability. Most of them are part time positions where they have regular patrol duties but aren't full time SWAT as a job. Some are regional where you get a few guys from each department that train together irregularly. State police SWAT does what? I can't imagine state police guys responding to calls regularly. They may protect some events with the governor speaking but probably have never been on an actual callout with a real life threat. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rebel31: Originally Posted By TaskForce: I assume the SS has a mobile command post they bring with them. I don't think they do. Keep in mind the protection for a sitting US president is not the same for a candidate or even former US president. SS secures an inner perimeter then relies on local LE for the rest. The inner perimeter is relatively small. It's not hundreds of yards wide in all directions for a candidate or former POTUS. I think there is a compelling reason after Trump getting shot that SS needs to have significantly more resources compared to what they have now and rely less on local/state LE for protecting people. SWAT teams in the US vary WILDLY in their ability. Most of them are part time positions where they have regular patrol duties but aren't full time SWAT as a job. Some are regional where you get a few guys from each department that train together irregularly. State police SWAT does what? I can't imagine state police guys responding to calls regularly. They may protect some events with the governor speaking but probably have never been on an actual callout with a real life threat. It’s a multi-billion dollar agency, and the level of protection afforded to Trump was less than what he’d have with a regular infantry platoon of mostly 18-22 year old joes. And it’s shocking that, in a multi-agency effort with decentralized comms, there doesn’t seem to have been any kind of clear alert signal that could have been communicated. Something along the lines of, “if you see the ONE thing we’re here to protect against, say/do X.” |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:04:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Riply21: Whos to say he didn't use a Klingon cloaking devise to bypass security. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Riply21: Originally Posted By tree-hugger: Please stop and realize where we are as a nation and what the governments around the globe have been caught doing. Nothing is off the table at this point. Who is to say that the gun that Dad bought wasn't given or taken by the corrupt - prior to the event so he could gain access w/o triggering anyone - and then someone handed it to him when he was ascending the building? Again. NOTHING is off the table now. And it's going to get even more weird. You lose. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:04:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Well, the internet didnt' exist when reagan got shot. At least not the public internet and ISP's for the public. That stuff didn't really kick off till the early to middle 90s. This is a first for the site, topic wise. Mass culture existed, though, and with it the possibility of being alone in a city. We evolved in simpler circumstances. A loser was still part of the tribe, still connected. It's much harder to be completely alone among 50 people than among 5 million We substituted TV, and now social media, for the hearth. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:05:03 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Torqued: Why isn’t this thread rated EPIC? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Torqued: Originally Posted By SkyFive: 20k short of 1,000,000 views!! on a 2.5 day thread. This has to be a Arfcom record. Why isn’t this thread rated EPIC? Epic just seems wrong. "Landmark" Would be a better classification. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:05:03 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: I've been saying all along whoever was in charge should have made sure every team was in place. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: Originally Posted By WUPHF: Which still begs the question how the rest of the security apparatus, realizing the planned posting of personnel on that specific roof hadn’t occurred (a roof that they themselves have acknowledged was a security vulnerability), didn’t do anything about it. I've been saying all along whoever was in charge should have made sure every team was in place. Even if they didn’t, did the CST guys not go “WTF, that team that supposed to be on that roof opposite me isn’t there!” None of this makes any sense. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:05:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Reports are they were assigned to be on the roof of that building but went inside because ... " its tooo hooooot whaaaa " Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By 9D1Alpha: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By DVCER: Originally Posted By ranging-by-zipcode: I don't know if this has been posted yet in the thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tReC8aNS0AHoly cow. The building was full of cops too. I have to stop and ask, was the roof insulated? If not ... HELLO, guy panther-crawling up the roof dragging a rifle? BANG THUD WHUMP DRAG EEEEE sounds inside of the building! What are they doing in a building , looking out the windows ? Reports are they were assigned to be on the roof of that building but went inside because ... " its tooo hooooot whaaaa " I don't know that the building even had windows worth looking out . Kind of odd situation. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:05:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mississippiflush: If I remember right, the Boston bomber thread moved quite a bit faster Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mississippiflush: Originally Posted By drfroglegs: Originally Posted By SkyFive: 20k short of 1,000,000 views!! on a 2.5 day thread. This has to be a Arfcom record. That's insane. I find this site to have the fastest response time than any news organization or social media outlet. If I remember right, the Boston bomber thread moved quite a bit faster George Zimmerman kept making like 400page threads that crashed the sight. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:06:02 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSG:
This keeps getting worse. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:06:29 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSG:
This is just insane. Are they instructed not to leave their positions or something? Guy whips out a range-finder and all they can do is radio command??? |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:06:44 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cwm1150: Lol, imagine that. Any new info? I gave up in this thread at page 175. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cwm1150: Originally Posted By WDEagle:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/174498/Screenshot_2024-07-15_225715_png-3268041.JPG Lol, imagine that. Any new info? I gave up in this thread at page 175. The failure of security has been show to be far worse than we initially knew. Authorities were informed about the shooter some thirty minutes before the shooting. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:06:45 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WUPHF: Even if they didn’t, did the CST guys not go “WTF, that team that supposed to be on that roof opposite me isn’t there!” None of this makes any sense. Agreed. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:06:55 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Riply21: watch closer at the second half of the video tail end of the detail turns to work the crowd black woman with 72 pounds of hair. I see her now. Wonder why they have a different crew tonight. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:06:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Advance: A conspiracy doesn’t have to mean a “NASA faked the flat Antarctic wall moon landing” type event. Cut a little corner here, forget a cross-teams update there, assign bottom half of the B team, assign bare minimum staff, encourage a broken kid to save the World from Hitler, communicate security plan to local PD in a manner that it can be interpreted in multiple ways, issue a tweak on ROE, forget to change out a few batteries, etc., etc… We should assume that any .gov org involved is at a minimum, biased against Trump. Little things quickly snowball into big things. For the loss of a nail, was a loss of a shoe, was the loss of a horse, was a loss of a knight…  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:07:12 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cwm1150: Lol, imagine that. Any new info? I gave up in this thread at page 175. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cwm1150: Originally Posted By WDEagle:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/174498/Screenshot_2024-07-15_225715_png-3268041.JPG Lol, imagine that. Any new info? I gave up in this thread at page 175. Yes, everyone involved from USSS to state and local LEO were near criminally incompetent. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:07:46 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WUPHF: I wasn't suggesting a single freq with everyone listening to every radio message throughout the entire event. For an event like this, I would imagine you'd have CST on one net, ground guys on another (or multiple, depending on differing assignments/needs/responsibilities). State and local LE obviously on their own nets if interagency comms don't exist (which is certainly believable). At that point, why would you not have a command post with, at minimum, liaisons and "controllers" who have the capability to monitor their own nets and relay information in a timely manner to the people who need it? Something like the modern ICS, while maybe not directly applicable, is built to deal with issues like this and ensure maximum unity of effort. Why is there apparently no C2 when dealing with something as serious as protecting a former President and Presidential candidate. This is just serious fucking incompetence for these problems to exist in the first place. I can't say anything at the moment other than SS needs to stop with this inner core BS and needs to greatly expand their coverage. Relying on local LE to cover threat sights is not enough. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:07:53 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: The title is clickbait. It means that the feds trawl discord looking for gamers doing naughty stuff. It doesn't mean they found the kid in a specific discord server that was targetted. You have to click through and read the article to find that out. No... I got that but still interesting he was a member there where Feds do that |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:08:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:08:05 PM EDT
[#32]
By virtue of the fact Crooks bought the ladder tells me he did some preplanning (as well as the IED idea). It would also indicate he acted alone because the ladder and ammo were bought at the last minute, spontaneous. Two or more people would've had all these details worked out ahead of the rally.
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:08:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSG:
Huh, because when you look at Trumps right fingers after he touched his ear, they have blood on them, which is when he realized oh shit and went down. Frauds and traitors, the whole lot of them. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:08:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: One would think an USSS agent would be in charge of surveilling the entire space regardless of where the snipers were facing. And he would have seen him. But maybe not. No way these guys didn’t already have eyes on what was going on over there. They returned accurate fire incredibly quick. Trump should have been pulled off stage until they figured out what was going on. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:09:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PolarBear416: Mass culture existed, though, and with it the possibility of being alone in a city. We evolved in simpler circumstances. A loser was still part of the tribe, still connected. It's much harder to be completely alone among 50 people than among 5 million We substituted TV, and now social media, for the hearth. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PolarBear416: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Well, the internet didnt' exist when reagan got shot. At least not the public internet and ISP's for the public. That stuff didn't really kick off till the early to middle 90s. This is a first for the site, topic wise. Mass culture existed, though, and with it the possibility of being alone in a city. We evolved in simpler circumstances. A loser was still part of the tribe, still connected. It's much harder to be completely alone among 50 people than among 5 million We substituted TV, and now social media, for the hearth. I am old enough to remember. Some things were simpler: other things were far more complex. Can you imagine today's kids trying to figure out what they should tell their parents when they wanted to leave the house, with no cell phones, learning how to figure out how to make contact, and how you found your friends? Would the concept of "you have a collect call from *mom I'm at the mall click*" mean a darn thing to them? |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:09:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3one5: No way these guys didn’t already have eyes on what was going on over there. They returned accurate fire incredibly quick. Trump should have been pulled off stage until they figured out what was going on. And I agree with that also. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:09:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WDEagle: I see her now. Wonder why they have a different crew tonight. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WDEagle: Originally Posted By Riply21: watch closer at the second half of the video tail end of the detail turns to work the crowd black woman with 72 pounds of hair. I see her now. Wonder why they have a different crew tonight. It was previously reported that Trump's previous detail had worked 7 days straight so they had a bunch of fill-ins from the Pittsburgh USSS office and other nearby offices. Would imagine they were all planned to be back for the RNC, or, at the least, were demanded back for it. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:10:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PolarBear416]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glock27bill: Dunno if this has been posted before. Thirty seven minute interview with Erik Prince (Blackwater founder) by Patrick Bet-David. Prince says that the Secret Service snipers have a Don't Shoot First policy! So much WTF, but Prince stops short of saying what we're all thinking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxpJnUWHxds |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:10:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:10:39 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Yobro512: George Zimmerman kept making like 400page threads that crashed the sight. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Yobro512: Originally Posted By mississippiflush: Originally Posted By drfroglegs: Originally Posted By SkyFive: 20k short of 1,000,000 views!! on a 2.5 day thread. This has to be a Arfcom record. That's insane. I find this site to have the fastest response time than any news organization or social media outlet. If I remember right, the Boston bomber thread moved quite a bit faster George Zimmerman kept making like 400page threads that crashed the sight. We had crazy threads on a semi-regular basis. I’m pretty sure the typical active member count was consistently much higher a decade or so ago. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:11:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KELBEAST: Post the transcript of Prince’s words. Did he say USSS has a no shoot policy, or did he say something else that you’re not understanding? @KELBEAST Erik Prince: "Because they have a don't shoot first policy. Secret Service lawyer... The Secret Service lawyers and instructors... that they can't shoot first, they can only engage once the, uh, once the target has been engaged."  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:11:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ranging-by-zipcode: No... I got that but still interesting he was a member there where Feds do that Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ranging-by-zipcode: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: The title is clickbait. It means that the feds trawl discord looking for gamers doing naughty stuff. It doesn't mean they found the kid in a specific discord server that was targetted. You have to click through and read the article to find that out. No... I got that but still interesting he was a member there where Feds do that  Except instead of ghost story, it should say "a place feds mess with people" |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:12:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Advance: @KELBEAST Erik Prince: "Because they have a don't shoot first policy. Secret Service lawyer... The Secret Service lawyers and instructors... that they can't shoot first, they can only engage once the, uh, once the target has been engaged." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/2024-07-15_22-54-45_jpg-3268056.JPG I don't believe him. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:12:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSG: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSk1MVYWsAAVLQ-?format=jpg&name=small That has to be made up |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:12:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RainierV: It was previously reported that Trump's previous detail had worked 7 days straight so they had a bunch of fill-ins from the Pittsburgh USSS office and other nearby offices. Would imagine they were all planned to be back for the RNC, or, at the least, were demanded back for it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RainierV: Originally Posted By WDEagle: Originally Posted By Riply21: watch closer at the second half of the video tail end of the detail turns to work the crowd black woman with 72 pounds of hair. I see her now. Wonder why they have a different crew tonight. It was previously reported that Trump's previous detail had worked 7 days straight so they had a bunch of fill-ins from the Pittsburgh USSS office and other nearby offices. Would imagine they were all planned to be back for the RNC, or, at the least, were demanded back for it. SS is not the only security he has... |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:12:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSG: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSk1MVYWsAAVLQ-?format=jpg&name=small Ho Lee Fuk |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:12:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RarestRX: I was firmly on the "This is just .Gov incompetence." side, but now this kid is walking around with a fucking ladder and a rifle case? JFC.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RarestRX: Originally Posted By Bigger_Hammer: He had elite NINJA training  Bigger_Hammer  I was firmly on the "This is just .Gov incompetence." side, but now this kid is walking around with a fucking ladder and a rifle case? JFC. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:13:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSG: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSk1MVYWsAAVLQ-?format=jpg&name=small This gets dumber by the minute. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:13:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Epic just seems wrong. "Landmark" Would be a better classification. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By Torqued: Originally Posted By SkyFive: 20k short of 1,000,000 views!! on a 2.5 day thread. This has to be a Arfcom record. Why isn’t this thread rated EPIC? Epic just seems wrong. "Landmark" Would be a better classification. "HISTORIC" |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 11:13:22 PM EDT
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Whoever was in charge of the local LE building needs a firing squad .
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