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Link Posted: 9/9/2024 3:46:37 PM EDT
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Have they though?  I guess we'll find out.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/head-us-think-tank-be-extradited-china-agent-charges-2024-09-09/




Link Posted: 9/9/2024 4:45:17 PM EDT
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Well well, you don't often see Israel extradite a citizen to anywhere, even a dual citizen.  You might be on to something.
Link Posted: 9/9/2024 7:29:25 PM EDT
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Well well, you don't often see Israel extradite a citizen to anywhere, even a dual citizen.  You might be on to something.
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Well well, you don't often see Israel extradite a citizen to anywhere, even a dual citizen.  You might be on to something.

I wanna know who this guy is:
In July 2023, federal prosecutors in Manhattan accused Gal Luft of paying a former high-ranking U.S. government official on behalf of principals based in China in 2016, as well as seeking to broker the sale of weapons and Iranian oil.
I mean it's quite the norm for Democrats to take money from the Chinese, but I want to know who didn't pay taxes on it!!!!
Link Posted: 9/9/2024 7:32:25 PM EDT
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Russian naval and air forces will join the Chinese military for drills later this month in the Sea of Japan, or East Sea, and Sea of Okhotsk, as tensions simmer between Beijing and Tokyo.

The "Northern/Interaction-2024" exercises aim to "deepen the level of strategic coordination between the Chinese and Russian militaries, and enhance their ability to jointly respond to security threats", China's defence ministry announced on Monday.

That's all I can get due to the paywall, but it struck me as odd that the SCMP didn't include actual dates for the exercise.

Including a beginning date and an end date is the norm as maritime traffic will normally route itself away from exercise areas. Therefore, it's asking for "trouble" for not sharing the dates!
Link Posted: 9/9/2024 7:39:46 PM EDT
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Reuters! Ha! Here's another Reuters story that is one sided, and you know who's side it's on:
BEIJING, Sept 9 (Reuters) - China called on the Philippines to "seriously consider the future" of a relationship "at a crossroads" in a Monday commentary published by the People's Daily, the newspaper of the governing Communist Party, amid tensions in the South China Sea.

"China-Philippines relations stand at a crossroads, facing a choice of which way to go," the commentary said. "Dialogue and consultation is the right path, as there is no way out of the conflict through confrontation."

Manila "should seriously consider the future of China-Philippines relations and work with China to push bilateral relations back on track," it added.
The commentary was published under the pen name "Zhong Sheng", meaning "Voice of China", which is often used to give the paper's view on foreign policy issues.
Reuters is allergic to getting a contemporaneous quote from the non-Chinese side. It's an allergy, or it's a policy.
Link Posted: 9/9/2024 7:42:28 PM EDT
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The Taiwanese News finally published a Score Card! But there's no flight tracker graphic. I'll just post a link, so you guys can check my math, and I can pretend I'm a post count whore!!!!!

China sends 21 military aircraft and 8 ships around Taiwan
120 Chinese military aircraft and 70 ships tracked around Taiwan this month
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Link Posted: 9/9/2024 7:45:51 PM EDT
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Feel good story of the Day:
Taiwan delegation to advocate UN participation during US trip
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   The Taiwan United Nations Alliance (TAIUNA) will send a delegation to the US during the 79th UN General Assembly to advocate for Taiwan's inclusion in the UN system.

TAIUNA announced on Monday (Sept. 9) that TAIUNA Chairman Lin Yi-Min (   ) sent a letter to UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres highlighting that Taiwan's longstanding desire to join the UN has been unjustly obstructed, CNA reported. The alliance said that UN Resolution 2758, which recognizes the People's Republic of China as the legitimate government of China, does not address Taiwan's sovereignty nor suggest that China holds sovereignty over it.

The delegation will travel to New York City to hold a press conference addressing UN Resolution 2758 and attend the Keep Taiwan Free rally. The group will later stop in Washington, DC to visit the Washington DC Taiwan School and participate in a forum on Taiwan's democracy and international status at the Hudson Institute.
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In an op-ed published in South Korea's Chosun Ilbo, Minister of Foreign Affairs Lin Chia-lung (   ) recently called for Taiwan's inclusion in the UN system to ensure peace in the Indo-Pacific.

Lin pointed out China's intentional distortion of UN Resolution 2758 by linking it with its "one China" principle. "The UN should reclaim the proper interpretation of UN Resolution 2758 to maintain international peace and security as stipulated in the UN Charter and find ways to combat China's aggressive ambitions," he said.

The foreign minister also said the international community has emphasized the importance of maintaining peace and stability in the Taiwan Strait at multilateral forums. However, he said they have not taken concrete measures to respond to China's aggression or include Taiwan in the UN.
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The 79th UN General Assembly will take place from Sept. 10-30. Taiwan in a joint letter will call upon its diplomatic allies to urge the secretary-general to rectify the organization's interpretation of UN Resolution 2758.
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Link Posted: 9/9/2024 9:19:46 PM EDT
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The UN did such a bang-up job preventing the outbreak of major war in Europe. Oh wait, never mind.
Link Posted: 9/9/2024 9:30:01 PM EDT
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The Taiwanese News finally published a Score Card! But there's no flight tracker graphic. I'll just post a link, so you guys can check my math, and I can pretend I'm a post count whore!!!!!

China sends 21 military aircraft and 8 ships around Taiwan


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Link Posted: 9/9/2024 9:41:01 PM EDT
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Under Yoon, calls for South Korean nukes 'normalized'

SEOUL, SOUTH KOREA —
Less than two years after South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol pledged his country would not seek nuclear weapons, his newly appointed defense minister is openly envisioning scenarios in which South Korea might reconsider that stance.

The comments by Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun, who took office on Friday, are the latest evidence that the once-taboo idea of nuclear armament has gone mainstream in Seoul, amid growing concerns about North Korea's rapidly expanding nuclear arsenal and the long-term reliability of U.S. protection.

As an academic and retired military officer, Kim has long argued that South Korea may need nuclear weapons in some form to counter North Korea. In recently unearthed footage from a 2020 seminar, Kim warned South Korea has “no survival or future” without such a deterrent.

During his confirmation process last week, Kim stood by those comments, saying “all options” should remain open if the U.S. nuclear umbrella proves insufficient.

It appears to be the first time a sitting South Korean defense minister has publicly entertained the possibility of acquiring nuclear weapons, and marks a sharp departure from his predecessor, who repeatedly and firmly rejected the proposal under any condition.

Contacted by VOA, a South Korean defense ministry spokesperson maintained there has been “no change in the principle or position” that Seoul relies on U.S. extended deterrence and the U.S.-South Korea alliance to address the North Korean nuclear threat.

“However, if we cannot guarantee the survival and security of the state, all means and methods are open,” the spokesperson added, emphasizing the need to work closely with the United States.

A spokesperson for Yoon’s presidential office declined to comment for this story.

Most observers doubt South Korea will pursue nuclear weapons any time soon due to the massive economic and national security risks it would entail.

Not only would South Korea risk enraging China, but Seoul could upend its alliance with the United States and invite painful international sanctions, all while possibly encouraging others in the region to consider nuclear weapons of their own.

Despite the risks, Yoon continues to drive the once unthinkable idea further into the mainstream, raising concerns that the proposal could become more acceptable — and eventually turn into reality.

Nuke calls now routine

Yoon himself suggested last January that South Korea could develop nuclear arms if the North Korean threat escalated – raising alarm in Washington, where non-proliferation has long been a priority.

Three months later, Yoon and U.S. President Joe Biden signed what is known as the Washington Declaration, which bolstered U.S. defense assurances while reaffirming South Korea’s commitments under the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.

Yoon’s appointment of Kim, however, appears to contradict the spirit of that agreement, said Lee Sang-sin, a research fellow at the Korea Institute for National Unification. What stands out most, Lee said, is the lack of public reaction to Kim’s remarks.

Kim’s appointment has drawn little attention from South Korean media and been largely ignored by Western outlets — a possible indication that calls for South Korea’s nuclear armament have become routine.

“That’s what I have warned about,” said Lee. “[This conversation] has been normalized.”

When contacted by VOA, the White House National Security Council declined to directly comment on Kim's statements, instead emphasizing South Korea’s pledge under the non-proliferation treaty as outlined in the Washington Declaration.

“We will continue to work with our ROK allies to strengthen our alliance and ensure we are well-positioned to deter nuclear threats,” an NSC spokesman added.

Driving the conversation

Polls have long suggested a majority of South Koreans support acquiring nuclear weapons, although such views were once confined to the political fringes.

Under Yoon’s presidency, the debate has become so entrenched that even some state-backed research institutions are exploring the possibility of nuclear armament.

A June report by the state-run Institute for National Security Strategy recommended that Seoul consider government reviews and public debates on various options, including the redeployment of U.S. tactical nuclear weapons, NATO-style nuclear sharing, and South Korea developing its own arsenal.

Such calls are not only coming from Seoul. A growing number of former Trump officials have expressed an openness to the idea, with some even highlighting the geopolitical advantages of South Korea getting its own weapons – an idea that Trump himself once teased.

The possibility of Trump’s return, along with his "America First" stance, has fueled concerns in Seoul that U.S. protection may be less reliable long-term, further accelerating the nuclear debate.

Some in South Korea appear eager to capitalize on the trend. In an opinion piece this month, Choi Kang, president of the Asan Institute for Policy Studies, an influential conservative research group, argued South Korean nuclear weapons should be presented as beneficial to the U.S.-South Korea alliance.

“If a South Korean nuclear arsenal aligned with U.S. security interests and came to be regarded as a ‘common asset’ of the alliance, then the United States might accept it or even support it,” Choi wrote.

Reality check?

But many analysts caution that such statements downplay the risks of nuclear armament.

“There really needs to be greater questioning of whether more nukes and more countries with nukes truly increases any country’s security situation and a serious examination of what Seoul stands to lose by choosing that path,” said Jenny Town, a North Korea specialist with the Washington-based Stimson Center.

Others, like Mason Richey, who teaches international politics at Seoul’s Hankuk University of Foreign Studies, argue it is unlikely South Korea would pursue nuclear weapons barring profound U.S.-South Korea alliance problems and/or severe regional instability.

“That said, every elite policymaker who engages the South Korea nuclear debate makes it easier to continue down the slippery slope of thinking about nuclear weapons, studying how to develop them, assuring a latent capability, deciding to develop them, and then actually building them,” he added.

https://www.voanews.com/a/under-yoon-calls-for-south-korean-nukes-normalized/7777068.html

I’ve been seeing a lot of talk from South Korea officials talking about getting their own nukes the last few months.
Link Posted: 9/9/2024 11:36:35 PM EDT
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Excellent Work, GoldenMead!!!! We're running out of awards!!!!

Taiwanese News caught up to it as well:
Taiwan tracks 17 Chinese military aircraft, 8 ships
So far this month, Taiwan has tracked 137 Chinese military aircraft and 78 ships.
I wonder if I can get the flight tracker visible from a quote! This is how I learn!!!


NOPE!!!

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If you check out area 1, an aircraft was there for approx 3 minutes. Area 2, 9 aircraft flew in and out of the area for pretty much a duty day, and in area 3 they (7) were there from after breakfast to lunch time.

The Area 1 sortie looks like a boo-boo or perhaps an in-flight emergency happened, but more than likely, it was a boo boo.

I'm fascinated by one aspect of today's modern commie society compared to the commie societies of the old days. First and foremost, it appears that no one worries about pilots defecting these days!!
I come to that conclusion because a single aircraft (and there have been other instances of single aircraft) flying to point A and then returning instead of simply flying away. That tells us something about the morale of the people involved, and their morality as well.

Also, I just had another thought about another purpose of the ships in conjunction with the aircraft that I enumerated in an above post. There's one more purpose: they act as visible "go/no go" boundaries for the aircraft overhead.


The one thing that I am very curious about is so far the PLA hasn't stressed their "system" enough. By that I mean, the aircraft are directed by someone on the ground on a radio freq and watching a RADAR screen. The Pilots are unconcerned with Navigation, oddly enough, and fly in a patterned box waiting to be directed to their targets, but there's never enough planes in there to cause concern.

Planes drift sideways all the time. Other planes have to react to that as well. There's a lot of jostling in pattern flying. (The Navy practices this shit a lot because of it out of necessity.) The upshot of all this, is that with a few confusing radio commands interjected at random times, a large number of planes can and will just bump into each other and then fall out of the sky...which is embarrassing. There's got to be a place in China where they practice huge numbers of planes doing this. Otherwise, we're looking at some very expensive Kibuki Theatre.

Link Posted: 9/9/2024 11:39:04 PM EDT
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Excellent Work, GoldenMead!!!! We're running out of awards!!!!

Taiwanese News caught up to it as well:
Taiwan tracks 17 Chinese military aircraft, 8 ships
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I would love to see the Chinese aircraft get shot down.
Link Posted: 9/10/2024 12:10:43 AM EDT
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I would love to see the Chinese aircraft get shot down.
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Originally Posted By zoinks:
Excellent Work, GoldenMead!!!! We're running out of awards!!!!

Taiwanese News caught up to it as well:
Taiwan tracks 17 Chinese military aircraft, 8 ships
I wonder if I can get the flight tracker visible from a quote! This is how I learn!!!


I would love to see the Chinese aircraft get shot down.
and Sierradyne just brought up another absolutely valid point: these planes are not failing out of the sky.

I was stationed at Nellis AFB for 4 years, 3 months and 22 days. I saw all kinds of things. Some of it funny; some of it OMG! We don't have a way of deciphering PLAAF problems through the current media we can obtain. It's an impossiblity that there aren't any. That means we have to look for an analogue that happens with an aircraft goes pffft.
Link Posted: 9/10/2024 12:12:15 AM EDT
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Under Yoon, calls for South Korean nukes 'normalized'

SEOUL, SOUTH KOREA  
Less than two years after South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol pledged his country would not seek nuclear weapons, his newly appointed defense minister is openly envisioning scenarios in which South Korea might reconsider that stance.

The comments by Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun, who took office on Friday, are the latest evidence that the once-taboo idea of nuclear armament has gone mainstream in Seoul, amid growing concerns about North Korea's rapidly expanding nuclear arsenal and the long-term reliability of U.S. protection.

As an academic and retired military officer, Kim has long argued that South Korea may need nuclear weapons in some form to counter North Korea. In recently unearthed footage from a 2020 seminar, Kim warned South Korea has "no survival or future" without such a deterrent.

During his confirmation process last week, Kim stood by those comments, saying "all options" should remain open if the U.S. nuclear umbrella proves insufficient.

It appears to be the first time a sitting South Korean defense minister has publicly entertained the possibility of acquiring nuclear weapons, and marks a sharp departure from his predecessor, who repeatedly and firmly rejected the proposal under any condition.

Contacted by VOA, a South Korean defense ministry spokesperson maintained there has been "no change in the principle or position" that Seoul relies on U.S. extended deterrence and the U.S.-South Korea alliance to address the North Korean nuclear threat.

"However, if we cannot guarantee the survival and security of the state, all means and methods are open," the spokesperson added, emphasizing the need to work closely with the United States.

A spokesperson for Yoon's presidential office declined to comment for this story.

Most observers doubt South Korea will pursue nuclear weapons any time soon due to the massive economic and national security risks it would entail.

Not only would South Korea risk enraging China, but Seoul could upend its alliance with the United States and invite painful international sanctions, all while possibly encouraging others in the region to consider nuclear weapons of their own.

Despite the risks, Yoon continues to drive the once unthinkable idea further into the mainstream, raising concerns that the proposal could become more acceptable   and eventually turn into reality.

Nuke calls now routine

Yoon himself suggested last January that South Korea could develop nuclear arms if the North Korean threat escalated   raising alarm in Washington, where non-proliferation has long been a priority.

Three months later, Yoon and U.S. President Joe Biden signed what is known as the Washington Declaration, which bolstered U.S. defense assurances while reaffirming South Korea's commitments under the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.

Yoon's appointment of Kim, however, appears to contradict the spirit of that agreement, said Lee Sang-sin, a research fellow at the Korea Institute for National Unification. What stands out most, Lee said, is the lack of public reaction to Kim's remarks.

Kim's appointment has drawn little attention from South Korean media and been largely ignored by Western outlets   a possible indication that calls for South Korea's nuclear armament have become routine.

"That's what I have warned about," said Lee. "[This conversation] has been normalized."

When contacted by VOA, the White House National Security Council declined to directly comment on Kim's statements, instead emphasizing South Korea's pledge under the non-proliferation treaty as outlined in the Washington Declaration.

"We will continue to work with our ROK allies to strengthen our alliance and ensure we are well-positioned to deter nuclear threats," an NSC spokesman added.

Driving the conversation

Polls have long suggested a majority of South Koreans support acquiring nuclear weapons, although such views were once confined to the political fringes.

Under Yoon's presidency, the debate has become so entrenched that even some state-backed research institutions are exploring the possibility of nuclear armament.

A June report by the state-run Institute for National Security Strategy recommended that Seoul consider government reviews and public debates on various options, including the redeployment of U.S. tactical nuclear weapons, NATO-style nuclear sharing, and South Korea developing its own arsenal.

Such calls are not only coming from Seoul. A growing number of former Trump officials have expressed an openness to the idea, with some even highlighting the geopolitical advantages of South Korea getting its own weapons   an idea that Trump himself once teased.

The possibility of Trump's return, along with his "America First" stance, has fueled concerns in Seoul that U.S. protection may be less reliable long-term, further accelerating the nuclear debate.

Some in South Korea appear eager to capitalize on the trend. In an opinion piece this month, Choi Kang, president of the Asan Institute for Policy Studies, an influential conservative research group, argued South Korean nuclear weapons should be presented as beneficial to the U.S.-South Korea alliance.

"If a South Korean nuclear arsenal aligned with U.S. security interests and came to be regarded as a 'common asset' of the alliance, then the United States might accept it or even support it," Choi wrote.

Reality check?

But many analysts caution that such statements downplay the risks of nuclear armament.

"There really needs to be greater questioning of whether more nukes and more countries with nukes truly increases any country's security situation and a serious examination of what Seoul stands to lose by choosing that path," said Jenny Town, a North Korea specialist with the Washington-based Stimson Center.

Others, like Mason Richey, who teaches international politics at Seoul's Hankuk University of Foreign Studies, argue it is unlikely South Korea would pursue nuclear weapons barring profound U.S.-South Korea alliance problems and/or severe regional instability.

"That said, every elite policymaker who engages the South Korea nuclear debate makes it easier to continue down the slippery slope of thinking about nuclear weapons, studying how to develop them, assuring a latent capability, deciding to develop them, and then actually building them," he added.

https://www.voanews.com/a/under-yoon-calls-for-south-korean-nukes-normalized/7777068.html

I've been seeing a lot of talk from South Korea officials talking about getting their own nukes the last few months.
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Japan has also been talking about having a nuclear inventory!!! The Chinese have people scared, and they've given rise to their own enemies.
Link Posted: 9/10/2024 12:18:56 AM EDT
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The UN did such a bang-up job preventing the outbreak of major war in Europe. Oh wait, never mind.
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Originally Posted By zoinks:
Feel good story of the Day:
Taiwan delegation to advocate UN participation during US trip


The UN did such a bang-up job preventing the outbreak of major war in Europe. Oh wait, never mind.
Oh, I understand the sentiment, but this is a game that has to be played, or a dance that has to be danced.

I haven't been able to come to a conclusion yet whether War is Politics by other means, or Politics is War by other means. But this aspect as futile as it seems is necessary. Not for you or I, but for others who feel comfortable weighing the "pros and cons" on a "morality" scale. That's what this is for, and to ignore it is to turn away a potential ally or perhas even a friend in the future.
Link Posted: 9/10/2024 11:14:13 AM EDT
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Taiwan firms less worried about possible US-China war compared with 2022
A survey by a US think tank found that companies from the island are continuing to do business with the Chinese mainland

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3277835/taiwan-firms-less-worried-about-possible-us-china-war-compared-2022
Link Posted: 9/10/2024 5:21:41 PM EDT
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Taiwan firms less worried about possible US-China war compared with 2022
A survey by a US think tank found that companies from the island are continuing to do business with the Chinese mainland

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3277835/taiwan-firms-less-worried-about-possible-us-china-war-compared-2022
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Taiwan firms less worried about possible US-China war compared with 2022
A survey by a US think tank found that companies from the island are continuing to do business with the Chinese mainland

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3277835/taiwan-firms-less-worried-about-possible-us-china-war-compared-2022
I also have an economic story. Let me grab a few quotes from yours first, and they will be out of order from the published story for chronological consistency:
Taiwanese companies are continuing to do business with mainland China and appear to be less concerned about a possible war compared with two years ago, a new survey has found.

Instead companies are adopting a variety of strategies to hedge risks, according to the report by the Centre for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington-based think tank.

The study questioned 610 Taiwanese firms about their views on the international environment last year, compared with 523 companies that were questioned in the 2022 survey, which took place shortly before the then US House speaker Nancy Pelosi visited the island.

The report found that companies' expectations of a conflict between China and the United States had dropped by 10 points compared with 2022, which in turn made them more reluctant to fully move out of the mainland.

"The most notable change is a drop in the proportion of those expecting a US-China military conflict in the next five years, falling over 10 percentage points, from 38.7 per cent to 28.2 per cent," the report said.

The number who believed that Taiwan's semiconductor industry was a disincentive for the mainland to attack also fell   from 50.5 per cent to 45.6 per cent   as did the number believing the industry would be an incentive for the US to come to the island's aid, which dropped from 54.8 per cent to 48.9 per cents.

The number who thought Beijing's zero-Covid policies had a negative impact on their business remained steady at 45.5 per cent.

"The overarching conclusion from the latest survey is that although worries about the risks of doing business with China have modestly receded   in part due to the thaw in US-China relations and the end of zero-Covid   anxieties remain high," the report, written by Scott Kennedy and Andrea Leonard Palazzi, said.

For years mainland China accounted for around 40 per cent of Taiwanese exports. Last year this total dropped to 35 per cent, but it remained the island's largest market.

The report indicates that to hedge risks, Taiwanese firms have adopted a variety of strategies, including expanding involvement in regional trade and broadening commercial ties with the US.

They have also expanded research and development, nurtured their workforce to protect Taiwan's technological advantages and shifted some of their operations away from the mainland and Taiwan.

The report added: "Although the proportion of firms moving remains high, they are moving as part of a variety of diversification strategies, not outright abandoning China altogether.

It gets a bit murky here:
The proportion of respondents saying they favoured Taiwanese independence also fell to 13.9 per cent last year compared with 23.2 per cent in 2022.

While 58.5 per cent of the respondents supported maintaining the status quo compared with 69 per cent in 2022, 25 per cent favoured cross-strait unification as opposed to just 6.1 per cent in 2022.
This definintely puts the business class outside of mainstream Taiwan.

Next up:
Taiwan exports to US surpass China in August
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   Taiwan's exports to the US in August reached a record high, surpassing all previous monthly trade records with China.

On Monday (Sept. 9), the Ministry of Finance (MOF) announced that August exports reached US$43.64 billion (NT$1.4 trillion), a record high for a single month. This marks 10 consecutive months of growth, primarily due to strong exports of information and communication products, as well as a recovery in traditional industries.

The ministry stated that August exports "exceeded expectations," with September exports estimated to grow by 5% to 9% year-on-year. The growth rate for third-quarter exports is expected to be revised upwards by 2 to 3 percentage points, with an estimated year-on-year increase of 8.2% to 9.6%, exceeding the forecast by the Directorate General of Budget, Accounting, and Statistics.

Next is just percentages in case you want to skip it:
August exports registered a month-on-month increase of 9.3% and a year-on-year increase of 16.8%. Exports for the first eight months totaled US$308.57 billion, a year-on-year increase of 10.9%. August imports were US$32.14 billion, down 8.4% month-on-month but up 11.8% year-on-year.

Imports for the first eight months totaled US$256.12 billion, the second-highest on record for this period, with a year-on-year increase of 9.3%. The trade surplus for August was US$11.49 billion, a new monthly high, and the trade surplus for the first eight months was US$52.45 billion, an increase of US$8.55 billion year-on-year.

Then we have some actual economic analysis here!!
Beatrice Tsai (   ), director-general of the MOF's Department of Statistics, told the media that August exports went beyond expectations for four main reasons, per Liberty Times:

1. Global inventories of consumer goods returned to healthier levels, leading to restocking by customers.

2. Demand for high-performance computing and AI business opportunities remained high.

3. International brands launched new products.

4. Shipments delayed due to the Typhoon Gaemi holiday at the end of July were delivered in August.
Then there's more stats, but not everyone is interested in "disembodied" numbers. But we do have this bit of information:
Exports to ASEAN countries grew by 16.9% year-on-year, while exports to Japan, Europe, and both China and Hong Kong fell by 20.4%, 8.3%, and 3.3%, respectively.

Tsai noted that the trade surplus with the US for the first eight months reached US$42.26 billion, surpassing previous records. In comparison, the trade surplus with China and Hong Kong was less than US$1 billion, the smallest gap in 34 years.

Exports to the US accounted for 24.5% of total exports, the highest in 25 years, while exports to China and Hong Kong fell to 30.8%, the lowest in 23 years. The share of exports to Japan also dropped to a historic low of 5.5%.
The times are a-changing.
Link Posted: 9/10/2024 5:33:53 PM EDT
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I also have an economic story. Let me grab a few quotes from yours first, and they will be out of order from the published story for chronological consistency:






It gets a bit murky here:
This definintely puts the business class outside of mainstream Taiwan.

Next up:
Taiwan exports to US surpass China in August

Next is just percentages in case you want to skip it:

Then we have some actual economic analysis here!!
Then there's more stats, but not everyone is interested in "disembodied" numbers. But we do have this bit of information:
The times are a-changing.
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I wonder why the big decline of exports to Japan?
Link Posted: 9/10/2024 5:38:06 PM EDT
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Getting back to sierradyne's post from last night, his post is on the money. By way of a partial explanation, here are some stories about Taiwanese Air Force planes:
Pilot located after Mirage 2000 crashes off Taiwan's coast
Update: 2024-9-11 00:00

According to the Air Force, Mirage fighter pilot Captain Hsieh ( ) has been located and is being transferred for further care. His safety has been confirmed, and he is conscious. A special task force will be established to investigate the cause of the incident.


TAIPEI (Taiwan News)    A Mirage 2000 fighter jet crashed off the coast of Taiwan during a nighttime training mission Tuesday (Sept. 10), the Air Force said.

The pilot ejected safely but remains missing. Rescue forces have been dispatched to search the area, per CNA.

The single-seat fighter jet from the Second Tactical Fighter Wing lost power during the training mission. Defense Minister Koo Li-hsiung (   ) ordered all available sea and air forces to conduct a full-scale search.

Koo said he hopes to locate the pilot as soon as possible and determine the cause of the accident.
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and
Taiwan IDF jet returns to base without dropping bombs
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   An Indigenous Defense Fighter (IDF) jet returned to base after failing to drop its bombs, reports said Tuesday (Sept. 10).

One of the aircraft based in Tainan went out for a bombing exercise with two Mark 82 bombs on Monday (Sept. 9). However, military fans noticed it returned to base with the two bombs intact, the Liberty Times reported.

As soon as the jet landed, it was surrounded by a bomb disposal unit, the report said. According to the military, an investigation will focus on a possible failure by the bomb-dropping mechanism.

The plane was supposed to drop the bombs and hit a prepared target in Penghu. Because the plan did not work out, the pilot returned to base, but a firefighting unit and the bomb disposal team were on standby, the report said.

Taiwan's 129 IDF jets, based in Taichung and Tainan, have been in service since 1992. The planes were included in two upgrade programs, adding digital elements and electronic counter-countermeasure (ECCM) radar capabilities.
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Skipping the ridiculousness of a jet returning to base without dropping its bombs making the national news, the point of this post is to show that shit happens, and it happens all the time.

The PLA is not immune to this, and they're probably more susceptable to it...for all we know. This is why I have "wished" for certain additional information such as points of origin, how many aircraft are staged over the PRC proper etc. We have no idea how many aircraft the PLAAF sends over just to have a small number fly loops around Taiwan. We have no idea how many are loitering or their loiter times, or any of itm somewhere near by. Commercial RADAR for an airport can "see" 60 miles easy. Kinman is only 3 miles away from the Chinese Coast. This cannot be that hard!! Remember, sharing is caring. (this is for those that are just lurking in the "distance" who have this information.)
Link Posted: 9/10/2024 5:48:41 PM EDT
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I wonder why the big decline of exports to Japan?
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Originally Posted By GoldenMead:
Originally Posted By zoinks:
I also have an economic story. Let me grab a few quotes from yours first, and they will be out of order from the published story for chronological consistency:






It gets a bit murky here:
This definintely puts the business class outside of mainstream Taiwan.

Next up:
Taiwan exports to US surpass China in August

Next is just percentages in case you want to skip it:

Then we have some actual economic analysis here!!
Then there's more stats, but not everyone is interested in "disembodied" numbers. But we do have this bit of information:
The times are a-changing.


I wonder why the big decline of exports to Japan?
The obituaries for 2024 aren't out yet, but Japan is paying more for oil and raw materials because of everyone's general trend to inflationary spending. Since the Clinton Admin recreated the "Third Wave" in the early '90s, in it's own image, governments have been looking for "free" money, "magical" money and "tax payer" money. Falling short on the amount of free money and magical money, and there's only so much tax payer money out there before the politicians start having to pay taxes, money is easy enough to create!!

Also, I would assume that normal trade with South Korea will will return to previous volume as they finally got over their BS dispute at the end of last year.

And one last point to make, is that Taiwanese Trade is down with all Asian countries in general.
Link Posted: 9/10/2024 5:51:48 PM EDT
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To your previous post Zoinks. Has anyone else noticed the utter lack of information on China from osint (open source information) accounts?  Like where is the satellite imagery of Fujian Province right across from Taiwan?  China could be preparing a massive force and we would have no idea.  When Russia built up for the Ukraine invasion we had all kinds of intel, hell we even knew when they set up field hospitals.  With China its crickets.
Link Posted: 9/10/2024 5:53:00 PM EDT
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Here's a story I thought would have more pictures, but perhaps Carmel can find and share pictures. We might be stock holders after all, and this is part of our "due dilligence:
1,300 candidates register for 12 flight attendant jobs at Taiwan airline

Yeah, okay, it's an economic story.
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   Mandarin Airlines received 1,332 valid registrations for 12 job openings as a flight attendant, reports said Saturday (Sept. 9).

The recruitment campaign means the China Airlines (CAL) subsidiary will in the end only employ fewer than 1% of the candidates for the jobs, CNA reported. Saturday's first round of tests and interviews will be followed by a second round on Sept. 14.

The airline named as reasons for the recruitment the purchase of French-Italian ATR planes, an increase in domestic flights primarily to outlying islands, and the recovery of international routes following the COVID-19 pandemic.
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To your previous post Zoinks. Has anyone else noticed the utter lack of information on China from osint (open source information) accounts?  Like where is the satellite imagery of Fujian Province right across from Taiwan?  China could be preparing a massive force and we would have no idea.  When Russia built up for the Ukraine invasion we had all kinds of intel, hell we even knew when they set up field hospitals.  With China its crickets.
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EXACTO-MUNDO!!!

If you watch foreign news television broadcasts, you barely get the weather report from the major cities. The information has not returned to pre-Covid volumes, to put it another way.
Link Posted: 9/10/2024 11:33:11 PM EDT
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This whole thread of tweets is good if anyone is interested.
Link Posted: 9/10/2024 11:48:05 PM EDT
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I also have an economic story. Let me grab a few quotes from yours first, and they will be out of order from the published story for chronological consistency:






It gets a bit murky here:
This definintely puts the business class outside of mainstream Taiwan.

Next up:
Taiwan exports to US surpass China in August

Next is just percentages in case you want to skip it:

Then we have some actual economic analysis here!!
Then there's more stats, but not everyone is interested in "disembodied" numbers. But we do have this bit of information:
The times are a-changing.
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Originally Posted By GoldenMead:
Taiwan firms less worried about possible US-China war compared with 2022
A survey by a US think tank found that companies from the island are continuing to do business with the Chinese mainland

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3277835/taiwan-firms-less-worried-about-possible-us-china-war-compared-2022
I also have an economic story. Let me grab a few quotes from yours first, and they will be out of order from the published story for chronological consistency:
Taiwanese companies are continuing to do business with mainland China and appear to be less concerned about a possible war compared with two years ago, a new survey has found.

Instead companies are adopting a variety of strategies to hedge risks, according to the report by the Centre for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington-based think tank.

The study questioned 610 Taiwanese firms about their views on the international environment last year, compared with 523 companies that were questioned in the 2022 survey, which took place shortly before the then US House speaker Nancy Pelosi visited the island.

The report found that companies' expectations of a conflict between China and the United States had dropped by 10 points compared with 2022, which in turn made them more reluctant to fully move out of the mainland.

"The most notable change is a drop in the proportion of those expecting a US-China military conflict in the next five years, falling over 10 percentage points, from 38.7 per cent to 28.2 per cent," the report said.

The number who believed that Taiwan's semiconductor industry was a disincentive for the mainland to attack also fell   from 50.5 per cent to 45.6 per cent   as did the number believing the industry would be an incentive for the US to come to the island's aid, which dropped from 54.8 per cent to 48.9 per cents.

The number who thought Beijing's zero-Covid policies had a negative impact on their business remained steady at 45.5 per cent.

"The overarching conclusion from the latest survey is that although worries about the risks of doing business with China have modestly receded   in part due to the thaw in US-China relations and the end of zero-Covid   anxieties remain high," the report, written by Scott Kennedy and Andrea Leonard Palazzi, said.

For years mainland China accounted for around 40 per cent of Taiwanese exports. Last year this total dropped to 35 per cent, but it remained the island's largest market.

The report indicates that to hedge risks, Taiwanese firms have adopted a variety of strategies, including expanding involvement in regional trade and broadening commercial ties with the US.

They have also expanded research and development, nurtured their workforce to protect Taiwan's technological advantages and shifted some of their operations away from the mainland and Taiwan.

The report added: "Although the proportion of firms moving remains high, they are moving as part of a variety of diversification strategies, not outright abandoning China altogether.

It gets a bit murky here:
The proportion of respondents saying they favoured Taiwanese independence also fell to 13.9 per cent last year compared with 23.2 per cent in 2022.

While 58.5 per cent of the respondents supported maintaining the status quo compared with 69 per cent in 2022, 25 per cent favoured cross-strait unification as opposed to just 6.1 per cent in 2022.
This definintely puts the business class outside of mainstream Taiwan.

Next up:
Taiwan exports to US surpass China in August
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   Taiwan's exports to the US in August reached a record high, surpassing all previous monthly trade records with China.

On Monday (Sept. 9), the Ministry of Finance (MOF) announced that August exports reached US$43.64 billion (NT$1.4 trillion), a record high for a single month. This marks 10 consecutive months of growth, primarily due to strong exports of information and communication products, as well as a recovery in traditional industries.

The ministry stated that August exports "exceeded expectations," with September exports estimated to grow by 5% to 9% year-on-year. The growth rate for third-quarter exports is expected to be revised upwards by 2 to 3 percentage points, with an estimated year-on-year increase of 8.2% to 9.6%, exceeding the forecast by the Directorate General of Budget, Accounting, and Statistics.

Next is just percentages in case you want to skip it:
August exports registered a month-on-month increase of 9.3% and a year-on-year increase of 16.8%. Exports for the first eight months totaled US$308.57 billion, a year-on-year increase of 10.9%. August imports were US$32.14 billion, down 8.4% month-on-month but up 11.8% year-on-year.

Imports for the first eight months totaled US$256.12 billion, the second-highest on record for this period, with a year-on-year increase of 9.3%. The trade surplus for August was US$11.49 billion, a new monthly high, and the trade surplus for the first eight months was US$52.45 billion, an increase of US$8.55 billion year-on-year.

Then we have some actual economic analysis here!!
Beatrice Tsai (   ), director-general of the MOF's Department of Statistics, told the media that August exports went beyond expectations for four main reasons, per Liberty Times:

1. Global inventories of consumer goods returned to healthier levels, leading to restocking by customers.

2. Demand for high-performance computing and AI business opportunities remained high.

3. International brands launched new products.

4. Shipments delayed due to the Typhoon Gaemi holiday at the end of July were delivered in August.
Then there's more stats, but not everyone is interested in "disembodied" numbers. But we do have this bit of information:
Exports to ASEAN countries grew by 16.9% year-on-year, while exports to Japan, Europe, and both China and Hong Kong fell by 20.4%, 8.3%, and 3.3%, respectively.

Tsai noted that the trade surplus with the US for the first eight months reached US$42.26 billion, surpassing previous records. In comparison, the trade surplus with China and Hong Kong was less than US$1 billion, the smallest gap in 34 years.

Exports to the US accounted for 24.5% of total exports, the highest in 25 years, while exports to China and Hong Kong fell to 30.8%, the lowest in 23 years. The share of exports to Japan also dropped to a historic low of 5.5%.
The times are a-changing.

Normalcy bias is a big thing.

Favoring unification is up to 25%?
Link Posted: 9/10/2024 11:58:17 PM EDT
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Score Card!!

Taiwan tracks 21 Chinese military aircraft, 10 ships
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   The Ministry of National Defense (MND) tracked 21 Chinese military aircraft, nine naval vessels, and one official ship around Taiwan between 6 a.m. on Tuesday (Sept. 10) and 6 a.m. on Wednesday.

Of the 21 People's Liberation Army (PLA) aircraft, 13 crossed the Taiwan Strait median line in the nation's southwestern and eastern air defense identification zone (ADIZ), according to the MND.
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I would like to direct your attention to area 3 where a single aircraft flew a pattern for 2 hours and 10 minutes. (Still wondering why they just can't let us, the viewing public, know how planes got to their station.) This has to be one of their large body reconnaissance planes sucking up the EMR spectrum.
So far this month, Taiwan has tracked 158 Chinese military aircraft and 88 ships.
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Link Posted: 9/11/2024 12:01:26 AM EDT
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Normalcy bias is a big thing.

Favoring unification is up to 25%?
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:
Originally Posted By zoinks:
Originally Posted By GoldenMead:
Taiwan firms less worried about possible US-China war compared with 2022
A survey by a US think tank found that companies from the island are continuing to do business with the Chinese mainland

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3277835/taiwan-firms-less-worried-about-possible-us-china-war-compared-2022
I also have an economic story. Let me grab a few quotes from yours first, and they will be out of order from the published story for chronological consistency:
Taiwanese companies are continuing to do business with mainland China and appear to be less concerned about a possible war compared with two years ago, a new survey has found.

Instead companies are adopting a variety of strategies to hedge risks, according to the report by the Centre for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington-based think tank.

The study questioned 610 Taiwanese firms about their views on the international environment last year, compared with 523 companies that were questioned in the 2022 survey, which took place shortly before the then US House speaker Nancy Pelosi visited the island.

The report found that companies' expectations of a conflict between China and the United States had dropped by 10 points compared with 2022, which in turn made them more reluctant to fully move out of the mainland.

"The most notable change is a drop in the proportion of those expecting a US-China military conflict in the next five years, falling over 10 percentage points, from 38.7 per cent to 28.2 per cent," the report said.

The number who believed that Taiwan's semiconductor industry was a disincentive for the mainland to attack also fell   from 50.5 per cent to 45.6 per cent   as did the number believing the industry would be an incentive for the US to come to the island's aid, which dropped from 54.8 per cent to 48.9 per cents.

The number who thought Beijing's zero-Covid policies had a negative impact on their business remained steady at 45.5 per cent.

"The overarching conclusion from the latest survey is that although worries about the risks of doing business with China have modestly receded   in part due to the thaw in US-China relations and the end of zero-Covid   anxieties remain high," the report, written by Scott Kennedy and Andrea Leonard Palazzi, said.

For years mainland China accounted for around 40 per cent of Taiwanese exports. Last year this total dropped to 35 per cent, but it remained the island's largest market.

The report indicates that to hedge risks, Taiwanese firms have adopted a variety of strategies, including expanding involvement in regional trade and broadening commercial ties with the US.

They have also expanded research and development, nurtured their workforce to protect Taiwan's technological advantages and shifted some of their operations away from the mainland and Taiwan.

The report added: "Although the proportion of firms moving remains high, they are moving as part of a variety of diversification strategies, not outright abandoning China altogether.

It gets a bit murky here:
The proportion of respondents saying they favoured Taiwanese independence also fell to 13.9 per cent last year compared with 23.2 per cent in 2022.

While 58.5 per cent of the respondents supported maintaining the status quo compared with 69 per cent in 2022, 25 per cent favoured cross-strait unification as opposed to just 6.1 per cent in 2022.
This definintely puts the business class outside of mainstream Taiwan.

Next up:
Taiwan exports to US surpass China in August
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   Taiwan's exports to the US in August reached a record high, surpassing all previous monthly trade records with China.

On Monday (Sept. 9), the Ministry of Finance (MOF) announced that August exports reached US$43.64 billion (NT$1.4 trillion), a record high for a single month. This marks 10 consecutive months of growth, primarily due to strong exports of information and communication products, as well as a recovery in traditional industries.

The ministry stated that August exports "exceeded expectations," with September exports estimated to grow by 5% to 9% year-on-year. The growth rate for third-quarter exports is expected to be revised upwards by 2 to 3 percentage points, with an estimated year-on-year increase of 8.2% to 9.6%, exceeding the forecast by the Directorate General of Budget, Accounting, and Statistics.

Next is just percentages in case you want to skip it:
August exports registered a month-on-month increase of 9.3% and a year-on-year increase of 16.8%. Exports for the first eight months totaled US$308.57 billion, a year-on-year increase of 10.9%. August imports were US$32.14 billion, down 8.4% month-on-month but up 11.8% year-on-year.

Imports for the first eight months totaled US$256.12 billion, the second-highest on record for this period, with a year-on-year increase of 9.3%. The trade surplus for August was US$11.49 billion, a new monthly high, and the trade surplus for the first eight months was US$52.45 billion, an increase of US$8.55 billion year-on-year.

Then we have some actual economic analysis here!!
Beatrice Tsai (   ), director-general of the MOF's Department of Statistics, told the media that August exports went beyond expectations for four main reasons, per Liberty Times:

1. Global inventories of consumer goods returned to healthier levels, leading to restocking by customers.

2. Demand for high-performance computing and AI business opportunities remained high.

3. International brands launched new products.

4. Shipments delayed due to the Typhoon Gaemi holiday at the end of July were delivered in August.
Then there's more stats, but not everyone is interested in "disembodied" numbers. But we do have this bit of information:
Exports to ASEAN countries grew by 16.9% year-on-year, while exports to Japan, Europe, and both China and Hong Kong fell by 20.4%, 8.3%, and 3.3%, respectively.

Tsai noted that the trade surplus with the US for the first eight months reached US$42.26 billion, surpassing previous records. In comparison, the trade surplus with China and Hong Kong was less than US$1 billion, the smallest gap in 34 years.

Exports to the US accounted for 24.5% of total exports, the highest in 25 years, while exports to China and Hong Kong fell to 30.8%, the lowest in 23 years. The share of exports to Japan also dropped to a historic low of 5.5%.
The times are a-changing.

Normalcy bias is a big thing.

Favoring unification is up to 25%?
Yuppers! It's either a reflection of actual sentiment, OR it's a reflection of the sort of Taiwanese that does business within the PRC. It's one of those swords that cuts both ways. Or it's bull shit!!
Link Posted: 9/11/2024 12:03:44 AM EDT
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I'm willing to bet money for that as much as the CCP/PLA hated Top Gun, they watched and studied how aircraft are launched and recovered!!!
Link Posted: 9/11/2024 12:13:55 AM EDT
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I have to caution everyone again when using South China Morning Post which now has Beijing over it. I still use it but I always have in the back of my mind that it had to remain favorable to Beijing or have its offices raided
Link Posted: 9/11/2024 3:58:43 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/11/2024 1:00:18 PM EDT
[#31]
Link Posted: 9/11/2024 8:51:44 PM EDT
[#32]
U.S. Pacific commander tells Chinese general to halt ‘dangerous’ incidents in South China Sea
Military leaders hold direct talks after long break
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/sep/10/us-pacific-commander-tells-chinese-general-to-halt/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=twtnl_x&utm_source=Twitter
Link Posted: 9/11/2024 11:59:17 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/12/2024 12:04:25 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/12/2024 10:32:13 AM EDT
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Gentlemen, I'm doing "training" on Zoom this week and next. It's my first time doing this bullshit in this manner.

For those of you who do this on a regular basis, and didn't climb up on a tower and start shooting people, you have my respect!

Score Card with a flight tracker came in!!!
Taiwan tracks 29 Chinese military aircraft and 9 ships
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   The Ministry of National Defense (MND) tracked 29 Chinese military aircraft, eight naval vessels, and one official ship around Taiwan between 6 a.m. on Wednesday (Sept. 11) and 6 a.m. on Thursday.

Of the 29 People's Liberation Army (PLA) aircraft, 20 crossed the Taiwan Strait median line in the country's northern, central, and southwestern air defense identification zone (ADIZ), according to the MND.
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Here's another observation on the language I can't read, in the Table where areas 1,2 and 3 are described we have the time range at the top, next is how many aircraft entered that area, and then next in parenthesis is how many aircraft crossed the Median Line. You'll notice that for area 3, there are no parenthetical numbers, and the observation is because by definition area 3 is on the other side of the Median Line, so it's just the number of aircraft observed in area 3. Who needs Uncle Kong!!! (He has covid again. He has Covid right now, so I'm not putting him to work.)

Here's something very interesting and unfortunately unique: a US weapon system delivery to Taiwan.
Taiwan to receive 1st batch of new F-16V fighter jets
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   Taiwan is set to receive the first batch of US-made F-16V fighter jets later this month, a military official revealed on Thursday (Sept. 12).

Personnel and high-ranking officials from Taiwan's Air Force, including seed instructors and military representatives stationed in the US will attend the handover ceremony, Liberty Times reported. Taiwan is the third country after Bahrain and Slovakia to receive the latest F-16 variant. In 2019, the US approved the sale of 66 F-16Vs for US$8 billion (NT$257 billion).
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Delivery of the jets was originally scheduled to begin last year but was delayed. The Air Force has been preparing for the jets by building the largest F-16 maintenance hub in the region and stockpiling advanced munitions, including the AIM-9X and AGM-154. It has also purchased MS-110 reconnaissance pods and infrared search and track pods to ensure the fighter jets are fully equipped during missions.

Next year, 65 Air Force personnel will be sent to the US for F-16 training. The NT$36.64 million program will provide specialized tactical training for pilots and expand the pool of seed instructors. Taiwanese pilots originally trained at Luke Air Force Base in Maricopa County, Arizona, beginning in 1997 but moved to Morris Air National Guard base in Tucson in 2020.
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Link Posted: 9/12/2024 10:43:08 AM EDT
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This is a follow-up to Carmel's #31 post about the PRC "tip" line to expose Taiwanese advocating for Independence. It's at the same Press Briefing by the same PRC spokesman:
Taiwan rejects China's claim that it does not need defense budget
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   China's Taiwan Affairs Office (TAO) Speaker Chen Binhua (   ) claimed on Wednesday (Sept. 11) that Taiwan does not need a national defense budget   because it is part of China.
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In response, Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) Legislator Lin Chu-yin (   ) said Thursday that TAO was attempting to intimidate Taiwan into forgoing its defense budget, per CNA. She added that Taiwan's commitment to maintaining its sovereignty had been questioned by some of its global democratic partners.

Lin noted that Taiwan's increased defense budget aims to deter Chinese aggression, enhance Taiwan's capacity for asymmetrical warfare, and improve the training and conditions of its armed personnel. She compared the situation to a family securing a house with better locks when a neighbor repeatedly tries to break in.
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DPP caucus leader Rosalia Wu (   ) criticized TAO's press conference as an attempt to interfere in the upcoming legislative session on Taiwan's defense budget.

Wu also commented on former Taipei Mayor Ko Wen-je's (   ) interview with Nikkei Asia, accusing him of irresponsibility for questioning Taiwan's ability to produce domestically designed submarines. She also highlighted TAO's comments on Ko's ongoing investigation as further evidence of Chinese interference.
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and here's the "kicker", Gentlemen:
In response to a reporter's question on Ko's ongoing case, Chen had claimed President Lai-ching Te (   ) abused Taiwan's legal system to go after anti-independence people.
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Even the PRC sees the TPP as "pro-China", and if the junior opposition party who works with the KMT is "pro-China", then isn't the main opposition party also considered to be "pro-China" by the PRC?
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 11:40:04 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By zoinks:
This is a follow-up to Carmel's #31 post about the PRC "tip" line to expose Taiwanese advocating for Independence. It's at the same Press Briefing by the same PRC spokesman:
Taiwan rejects China's claim that it does not need defense budget



and here's the "kicker", Gentlemen:
Even the PRC sees the TPP as "pro-China", and if the junior opposition party who works with the KMT is "pro-China", then isn't the main opposition party also considered to be "pro-China" by the PRC?
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For a long time now, there’s frequent meetings between them on the mainland including during the election year which I thought cost them votes
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 5:54:28 PM EDT
[#38]
US Navy Seal unit that killed Osama bin Laden trains for China invasion of Taiwan

Elite commando team makes plans to help island nation in event Beijing launches war

https://archive.ph/XTnB0
Link Posted: 9/13/2024 1:34:57 AM EDT
[#39]
Score Card!!!
Taiwan tracks 22 Chinese military aircraft, 7 ships
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   The Ministry of National Defense (MND) tracked 22 Chinese military aircraft, six naval vessels, and one official ship around Taiwan between 6 a.m. on Thursday (Sept. 12) and 6 a.m. on Friday.

Of the 22 People's Liberation Army (PLA) aircraft, 18 crossed the Taiwan Strait median line in the country's central and southwestern air defense identification zone (ADIZ), according to the MND.
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So far this month, Taiwan has tracked 209 Chinese military aircraft and 104 ships.
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In the area 1 demarcation, there's always that cross over point almost always in the same place. I wonder what opposes it on the Taiwanese Coast or on the center mountain range that runs North to South?
Link Posted: 9/13/2024 1:44:38 AM EDT
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Here's sort of a follow up to a post I made about President Lai suggesting to the PRC that if the goal of the PRC is to regain former territory, the PRC should get it from the Russians:
Pro-Russia hackers crash Taiwan Stock Exchange website
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   The Taiwan Stock Exchange (TWSE) suffered an outage on Thursday (Sept. 12) caused by the pro-Russia hacker group "NoName057(16)."

The outage led to delays on the website, per CNA. The exchange said this was due to a large volume of queries on the website.

However, the issue has since been resolved and is unrelated to the trading system. The incident occurred after the Taiwan stock market had closed.  

Normal trading hours are 8:30 a.m. to 1:30 p.m. Some media outlets reported TWSE website issues between 3-4 p.m. but did not add when it started.
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On Monday (Sept. 9), NoName057(16) launched cyberattacks on some websites in Taiwan. In a tweet, the group claimed this was because President Lai Ching-de (   ) had suggested China "take away Russia's land in the Far East."  

Since then the hackers have launched DDoS (Distributed Denial of Service) attacks against the tax bureau websites of several Taiwanese counties and cities.

The list of sites the group claims to have affected includes the TWSE, Taipei Stock Exchange, Taipei Songshan Airport, Chang Hwa Bank, and the Directorate General of Budget, Accounting and Statistics. Also affected were branches of Mega Financial Holding Co., including Mega Funds, Mega Securities, and Mega Bills.
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In other news, there's this surprising story:
US House passes bill backing Taiwan's full participation in WHO
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   The US House of Representatives "China Week" ended with the passage of a bill supporting Taiwan's full participation in the World Health Organization (WHO) on Thursday (Sept. 12).

Over the past four days, the House passed bills related to China or Taiwan, including measures to deter Beijing from attacking Taiwan by exposing the assets of officials, strengthening cooperation with Taiwan and Pacific Island nations, and empowering regulatory agencies to scrutinize Chinese land acquisition deals. On Thursday, the House passed the "No WHO Pandemic Preparedness Treaty Without Senate Approval Act," which requires that any WHO pandemic-related agreements or conventions be considered treaties that the Senate must approve.
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The bill was introduced by pro-Taiwan Representative Tom Tiffany, aiming to increase WHO transparency to ensure that "the safety of American citizens remains in the hands of the US, not a corrupt international organization." Representative Andy Ogles, a bill supporter, expressed dissatisfaction with the WHO's failure to heed Taiwan's early warnings about COVID.

Ogles introduced an amendment that offered a statement of policy support for Taiwan's full participation in the WHO, which was approved on Thursday. Ogles said that for a long time, the US has allowed Beijing to dictate diplomatic policy and set the agenda and membership in major international organizations, including the UN resulting in decades of concessions that have left Taiwan with only 12 diplomatic allies.
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Ogles pointed out that China has successfully exerted external pressure on the WHO to exclude Taiwan. He said that when Taiwan tried to warn the WHO on Dec. 31, 2019, about a potential human-to-human transmission, "no one listened."

He said when Taiwanese experts visited Wuhan in mid-January 2020 and found evidence of human-to-human transmission their findings were ignored. Meanwhile, the WHO at the time claimed "no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus."
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He said these issues stem from China's insistence that "under no circumstance could Taiwan be given a seat at the table at the World Health Organization." The representative said that as a consequence "We can only guess how many untold thousands of American lives were lost as a result."

Ogles said what is known is that decades of US foreign policy has "prioritized appeasing the PRC over the security of the American people, and it needs to stop."
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There is no corresponding legislation in the Senate, and when the Senate comes up with a very Pro-Taiwan Bill, there's usually no corresponding bill in the House of Representatives. Pretty cool, huh!!!!! These guys got this shit down!!!!!
Link Posted: 9/13/2024 5:07:07 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/13/2024 9:23:50 AM EDT
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German navy makes rare transit of sensitive Taiwan Strait

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/german-navy-makes-rare-transit-sensitive-taiwan-strait-2024-09-13/
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That's actually a big deal.  Europe is the swing vote on the next world order.
Link Posted: 9/13/2024 4:49:39 PM EDT
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US sends 'unserviceable' arms to Taiwan

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — A report released by the US Department of Defense's (DoD) Inspector General on Wednesday (Sept. 11) said that arms recently delivered to Taiwan were “unserviceable.”

In the report, the Inspector General said the DoD “did not effectively or efficiently implement accountability and quality controls for items delivered to Taiwan using the Presidential Drawdown Authority.”

It added, “More than 340 pallets of items sustained water damage while they remained at the aerial port of embarkation at Travis Air Force Base for three months pending a flight to Taiwan.”

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/news/5935826
Link Posted: 9/14/2024 12:09:56 AM EDT
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That's actually a big deal.  Europe is the swing vote on the next world order.
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Originally Posted By GoldenMead:
German navy makes rare transit of sensitive Taiwan Strait

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/german-navy-makes-rare-transit-sensitive-taiwan-strait-2024-09-13/
That's actually a big deal.  Europe is the swing vote on the next world order.
Yes, xd; it is a big deal. In fact, es ist vieleicht am groessten deal! I can't make an s-set with my keyboard. Hold on. in the past Character Map couldn't make certain symbols with arfcom. Maybe it's different now!

Yes, xd; it is a big deal. In fact, es ist vieleicht am gr  sten deal. If that doesn't show up, then let's go with "molto enorme."

And it's this for the following reason:
It means International Socialism is dead!!

The Europe is actually a pretty fascist land mass led by socialist party after socialist party.

China is a hyper-capitalistic state led by a communist party that can't get it's socialist act together.

There isn't a communist alive today that believes the "State will wither away." This is because there isn't a communist alive today that's going to give up political power for any reason.

Oh, I just realized that I haven't given a definition for International Socialism. In the early days of te 19th Century, these were the guys that believed in violent revolution to overthrow the various political regimes of their day.

Then came the Fabians, who wanted to take power through voting, and you can read that as no violent revolution.

And lastly we have the National Socialists who as a matter of pragmatism tend to form the "nation" around ethnic lines i.e. the pan-Germanic National Socialist German Workers Party, of Stalin in the USSR who was busy creating a pan-Slavic Nation instead of spreading international revolution every where like Trotsky wanted to do.

AND eventually, the Chinese will emerge as also National Socialists, but rest assured it will be okay when they do it.

So, yes, xd341!!!! It's a big deal!!!!!!!!!!!! We need to celebrate it somehow and avoid an alcoholic induced black out!! I'm not certain that's possible.

Link Posted: 9/14/2024 12:12:36 AM EDT
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US sends 'unserviceable' arms to Taiwan

TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   A report released by the US Department of Defense's (DoD) Inspector General on Wednesday (Sept. 11) said that arms recently delivered to Taiwan were "unserviceable."

In the report, the Inspector General said the DoD "did not effectively or efficiently implement accountability and quality controls for items delivered to Taiwan using the Presidential Drawdown Authority."

It added, "More than 340 pallets of items sustained water damage while they remained at the aerial port of embarkation at Travis Air Force Base for three months pending a flight to Taiwan."

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/news/5935826
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US sends 'unserviceable' arms to Taiwan

TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   A report released by the US Department of Defense's (DoD) Inspector General on Wednesday (Sept. 11) said that arms recently delivered to Taiwan were "unserviceable."

In the report, the Inspector General said the DoD "did not effectively or efficiently implement accountability and quality controls for items delivered to Taiwan using the Presidential Drawdown Authority."

It added, "More than 340 pallets of items sustained water damage while they remained at the aerial port of embarkation at Travis Air Force Base for three months pending a flight to Taiwan."

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/news/5935826
I'd like to throw in some more quotes here, please.

The Inspector General concluded the problem occurred because the Army only requested a special airlift mission for the military supplies nearly two months after they were delivered to the port of embarkation. The report also said the base lacked sufficient storage capacity or ability to protect equipment from "adverse weather conditions."

According to the report, in December 2023, the Pentagon shipped 120 of the 340 rain-damaged pallets to Taiwan, which contained body armor that was "wet and moldy." Taiwan also received 2.7 million rounds of ammunition, including some items that were expired, loose, and improperly packaged.

The report revealed that Taiwan's authorities had to spend several weeks "unpacking, drying, and inventorying the wet and moldy" presidential drawdown items.

The Inspector General warned: "More broadly, the delivery of non mission-capable items inhibit the DoD's ability to achieve established security cooperation goals and may lead to loss of partner confidence in the United States."

Of the 504 pallets of gear, 340, or about 67% suffered water damage while languishing at ports of embarkation for more than three months. In addition, six M240B machine guns were found to be haphazardly strewn inside a large cardboard box "without any wrapping or cushioning."
Things have really changed since I've been in.
Link Posted: 9/14/2024 12:18:38 AM EDT
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Score Card!!!!!
Taiwan tracks 21 Chinese military aircraft and 1 ship

So, after I gave a list of reasons what the ships were for a few days ago, here the PLA completely breaks the pattern. I don't like these guys.
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   The Ministry of National Defense detected 21 Chinese military aircraft and one official ship around Taiwan between 6 a.m. on Friday (Sept. 13) and the same time Saturday.

Seventeen of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) aircraft crossed the Taiwan Strait median line in the country's northern and southwestern defense identification zones (ADIZ), according to the defense ministry.
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So far this month, Taiwan has tracked 230 Chinese military aircraft and 105 ships.
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Now, I have to think more to figure this out!! Bastards!!!!!!!!!!!




Link Posted: 9/14/2024 12:22:36 AM EDT
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He would have appreciated that. If you remember that Ford Thunderbird I was driving in the 1990s, he gave it to me after he married my Mom
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Originally Posted By zoinks:
Well played, Sir! Well played!

Now back to my Vince Edward movie where he fights wearing short sleeve shirts and a tie...like a real American!!!!!!!!

He would have appreciated that. If you remember that Ford Thunderbird I was driving in the 1990s, he gave it to me after he married my Mom
So Ben Casey was your step dad ?
Link Posted: 9/14/2024 12:30:08 AM EDT
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Political News!!!!!!!!
Taiwan's KMT continues to work with TPP after Ko's arrest
KMT chair says cooperation with Taiwan People's Party 'natural thing'
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This is getting all kind of weird. We've been under the assumption for 2.5 years of this thread that the TPP for sure and the KMT at least were working in some fashion with the CCP, and not to maintain the status quo of the One China Policy as defined by UN Resolution 2758.

Just the other day with have a PRC government official call the TPP "anti-independent."

Today, the KMT comes out with this:
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   Kuomintang (KMT) Chair Eric Chu (   ) said his party continues to cooperate with the Taiwan People's Party (TPP) in the legislature, as prosecutors investigate its former chair Ko Wen-je (   ) for corruption.

Chu told reporters that KMT-TPP cooperation is a "natural thing" while on a visit to Yunlin on Friday (Sept. 13), per SETN. He said cooperation between the two parties reflects the public desire for strong supervision of the government.

The KMT caucus holds a slim majority in the legislature, and working with the TPP improves its chances of securing the votes needed to pass laws.
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So...is this all a series of small mistakes or are the masks coming off?
I think that's a fair question to ask because things are getting wild out there in the South China Seas.


This next story is one that's interesting in this sense. It's about this guy tied in with Ko, the TPP leader, and Ko's corruption case. His bail was set at 5 million Taiwanese dollors and it was paid!!! Almost everyone else is either in detention or they've been released pending recall. This guy is different.
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   Former Taipei City Department of Urban Development Commissioner Huang Ching-mao (   ) was summoned Friday (Sept. 13) by the Taipei District Prosecutors Office as a witness in the Core Pacific City graft investigation, then re-designated as a defendant.

The ongoing probe is related to the floor area ratio of the Core Pacific City mall in Taipei. Huang was transferred to the Taipei District Prosecutors Office for further questioning, per CNA.

After this, Huang was ordered to be released on NT$5 million (US$156,480) bail, with restrictions on leaving the country and his residence. He paid his bail at 1 a.m. on Saturday (Sept. 14).
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We will continue to watch this one as I think somebody is not who they say they are, and they will be exposed as a commie of all things!!
Link Posted: 9/14/2024 1:00:22 AM EDT
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Zoinks!  I forgot to tell you that your favorite beer came in.  It appears FedEx decided to treat the box they came in as a pinyatta!  But no fear all 4 beers are safe.  Now I am saving them for a soirée I am having on the 28th where I will share 3 of them with some heathens that think Budweiser is king of beers!🍺.  I will give the AAR once that mission is complete!


Now where did the ships go???  If any of the OSINT account on X are correct it appears many of the PLA ships went to ports nearby.  Also some satellite images from Dacheng Bay show that the civilian ferry’s that participated in the amphibious landing drills are still there.  What does it mean? Resupply? New paint jobs? New crews? Final prep before GO time? I don’t know.
Link Posted: 9/14/2024 1:02:43 AM EDT
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Institute for the Study of War
CHINA-TAIWAN WEEKLY UPDATE, SEPTEMBER 13, 2024
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/china-taiwan-weekly-update-september-13-2024

For anyone who is interested
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