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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:24:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TheOtherDave]
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USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:25:49 AM EDT
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Boat fuel can’t melt steel beams .
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:25:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Piratepast40: No shit. The bow is swinging because they're trying to back down, i.e., move in reverse. Ships and boats are extremely difficult to handle while backing down, especially in an emergency situation with fluctuating power. Pulling water away from the rudder. Makes sense to me. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:25:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rossi: Is it possible that it was intentional? A week after "someone that has a history of being handed Libyan weapons while destabilizing Syria to the benefit of France and the US" attacks Russia? No. It is completely impossible that any foreign state actor could hack a satellite feed and commandeer the 100% computer controlled guidance and propulsion systems of a ship and ram it into a bridge. That would be just as insane of a statement as saying that the same foreign state actor could or would turn off millions of cell phones across multiple systems, companies, and networks as a cyberattack warning. Or have anything to do with water treatment plants across the US saying that someone has been playing fuck fuck with power to the plant. QUIT all the stoopid talk!! Eat your bread and watch the circus!!!!!! |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:26:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By piperpa24: I'm suspicious about this - I've watched the video several times. I'm reminded of airplanes flying into the WTC. These ships are controlled through GPS and computers - how easy is it to hack the navigation systems? ETA: I don't think it is out of character for anyone with a brain and knowledge of past terrorism and understanding of how tech is the new way to achieve effective terrorism in the west and especially the US. I mean, it isn't like we ever try to secure our borders and we have an entire administration full of dimwits and halfwits.
Anyone saying the key bridge being hit in Baltimore cannot be an attack, knows nothing about the vulnerabilities of cargo ships or they are complicit in a cover up (knowingly or unknowingly). Ships often use operating technologies that respond to NMEA 0183 unencrypted messages which can control anything from GPS data to engine revs and rudder control. If the lights on the ship went out and it rammed full speed, they may have been trying to reset the power and regain control. This could have also just be evidence of the hackers taking control of even the lighting systems (impeding the crews response to stop the ship by flashing lights). This threat profile has been known since at least 2014/2018/ 2022, since there are free white papers out there in those times alone (not to mention what cleared groups get to see). AIS data shows it sped up and changed course materially to hit the bridge support. (Purple line is original heading just before the bridge).  |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:26:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By piperpa24: I'm suspicious about this - I've watched the video several times. I'm reminded of airplanes flying into the WTC. These ships are controlled through GPS and computers - how easy is it to hack the navigation systems? If you hit something before coasting to a stop would your first thought be terrorism? It'll be investigated. But I highly doubt it. Better thought is look at the age of the ship, it's last major overhaul, record of similar incidence and competency of the crew. Most shippers run these boats hard and into the ground. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:27:32 AM EDT
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I haven’t read through everything, but my wife is a retired O5 from the Coast Guard who spent a lot of time investigating incidents like this. She said it looks like the boat lost electrical power, possibly dropped anchor as a precaution and either lost steering with the rudder cranked hard right, or the anchor dragging turned it. Either was it was a massive, likely unexpected turn. The billowing smoke was almost positively a reverse engine attempt to stop something that wasn’t going to stop.
She gives it a pretty low probability of being intentional, but there is always the chance. As she said, ‘incompetence and shoddy maintenance is generally the culprit.’ Like a typical Arfcommer, I immediately jumped to it looks intentional, but her explanation probably fits a lot better. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:27:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cobra-Commander: Rated  out of |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:27:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pilatuspilot: It’s almost like people on this site want this to be an intentional act rather than shit happens. It’s embarrassing. Thats because we are inundated with fucktards that drink the koolaid and would kill us for not taking their poison injections Start questioning shit |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:28:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rossi: Is it possible that it was intentional? The ship dropped anchor trying to stop. Looks accidental to me. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:28:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stillnothere: Damn, this is not going to be good. Not an engineer, but that seems like a poor bridge design. Kind of hard to build for something that big hitting it. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:28:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: pavil58ar]
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Small consolation to those affected but at least she is not on fire and appears to still be afloat.
edit 1: I've a question and not wanting to add to the useless posts I'll ask here. Is there any chance that when the tugs finished their job the ship had power for lighting but she was not actually turning the prop? Just drifting? Say a generator running off of a different, auxiliary engine while the main engine was idled? Is that even a possible scenario? The black smoke and lighting going on and off just prior to the crash indicative of the crew trying to get everything running correctly? edit 2: It was a Windows update. 'Update and Restart' |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:29:08 AM EDT
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Isn’t that FJB’s hometown? Maybe he was in a motorcade at that moment! 😛
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:29:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CyberSEAL: If anyone wants insight from actual commercial shipping captains and crew, check out the gCaptain forums... Thank you. That is a bit of useful information. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:29:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sacrosanct-Potato: Thats because we are inundated with fucktards that drink the koolaid and would kill us for not taking their poison injections Start questioning shit |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:30:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pilatuspilot: It’s almost like people on this site want this to be an intentional act rather than shit happens. It’s embarrassing. In 2024 the only thing more retarded than automatically assuming everything is nefarious, is automatically assuming it is not. We ARE at war with Russia. Just not as much as a bunch of people wish we were. Pretending either of those parties will not escalate to satisfy their goals is obscenely ignorant. If Russia has good intel that the CIA/western intelligence/Ukranian sock puppet was behind the Crocus City event retaliation is a foregone conclusion. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:30:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dirtyboy: What wind? Video shows calm water and previous poster showed table with zero wind. Tide comes in, tide goes out. You can’t explain that |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:31:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pilatuspilot: It’s almost like people on this site want this to be an intentional act rather than shit happens. It’s embarrassing. Spitballing shit on this site is fun and has zero real life consequences. Plus, we all know the moon landing was fake, Michelle Obama is actually a man and chemtails change the weather. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:31:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOtherDave: Interesting: https://twitter.com/YWNReporter/status/1772546230310056446 That is interesting. Kind of a crazy spot to lose power; talk about bad timing! |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:31:23 AM EDT
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It's become clear that p Diddy has orchestrated this bridge collapse to draw attention away from himself.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:31:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Cobra-Commander]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By piperpa24: This is the sort of mentality that collectively makes us a country ripe for the taking - complacency and arrogance and inability to think outside the box like our enemies actually do. Nevermind, you won’t be convinced that it is anything other than your conspiracy theory. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:32:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burkeva: Wild conspiracy theories does in fact make one so. All the evidence that I have seen - as well as talking to folks in the know at DHS (USCG, CISA, etc) tells me it was mechanical. I’m sure your response to this is to add a third trunk gun to your vehicle load out and more ammo. What’s the plan? Sink the ship before it hit the bridge? LOL I could not give a shit either way, but to immediately write other scenarios is kind of stupid. Maybe if .gov didn’t incessantly lie about everything, then maybe people would put more stock in what they say. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:32:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kbi: @RealityCheck0311 Gonna have to take the long way around the northern of Baltimore past Towson now Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kbi: Originally Posted By RealityCheck0311: That's insane. I thought just a small part collapsed, this is catastrophic. It's going to be years before they remove the old bridge and build a new one. All of the shipping lanes will be cut off in that harbor. What about Hazmat? You can't transport it through enclosed tunnels, the bridge was the only route. @RealityCheck0311 Gonna have to take the long way around the northern of Baltimore past Towson now I would bet the DOT makes an exception and allows hazmat to use say the 895 tunnel but not the 95 tunnel. They may limit it to times say 6 pm to 6am, but I cant see them wanting all the hazmat to drive all the around the beltway. @RealityCheck0311 @kbi |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:32:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pilatuspilot: It's almost like people on this site want this to be an intentional act rather than shit happens. It's embarrassing. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:33:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AA717driver: There it is. The ship drifts right without power and tries to recover before losing power again. Too late one power is restored at the end.  The good thing is that traffic on that section of bridge that fell seemed to be zero unlike earlier in the clip. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:33:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JeepersCreepers: I like when there's a "possible active shooter" thread and a bunch of people say it's 100% a US government authorized mass shooting to stop a pro-gun bill from being passed. But then it turns out to just be an estranged husband popping his wife in her work parking lot, or somebody heard a car backfire. Or an acorn |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:34:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1cheapshot: After seeing that footage, it looks almost intentional.  |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:34:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sacrosanct-Potato: Thats because we are inundated with fucktards that drink the koolaid and would kill us for not taking their poison injections Start questioning shit Or people could spend an hour or two on the NTSB’s site reading incident reports and see that ships break down all the time. Just rare for the stars to align and hit a bridge. Actually boats hit bridges more commonly than you might imagine. The reports are public knowledge. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:34:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheWhiteHorse: I assume Baltimore harbor uses pilots and this couldn’t be some Chicom kicking things off? I hope… that’s a 10’s of billions of dollars even right there. I wonder if the nav/engine/stearing system was hacked… there is no fucking way this happens by accident. This fucking place. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:34:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kbi: Bridge was 185ft high Pilot channel I think bybthe chart is 51 feet https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/77256/Screenshot_20240326_051501_Chrome_jpg-3169725.JPG It's gonna be blocked for a long time as they investigate and get whatever they need to clear the debris I feel bad fkr the people who use to commute each side for work whether a short trip or not There were pedestrian lanes I remember seeing There is not walkways across that bridge, vehicles only. Yes its gonna mess with traffic, there is a way to get from 695 thru the neighborhoods and the port to the 895 tunnel. It already sucked driving that way but its ginna get worse. @kbi |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:34:51 AM EDT
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One certainty.
The replacement bridge will NOT be named after the racist white devil who wrote the anthem of opression! |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:35:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: piperpa24]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sabre_kc: The ship dropped anchor trying to stop. Looks accidental to me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sabre_kc: Originally Posted By Rossi: Is it possible that it was intentional? The ship dropped anchor trying to stop. Looks accidental to me. Anyone remember how we hacked Iran's centrifuges? I can tell you that was but one of hundreds of attacks on infrastructure that can be made to look like an "accident". Anyone recall the Nord Stream pipeline? Probably none of the many brain-trusts on this site. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:35:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AA717driver: There it is. The ship drifts right without power and tries to recover before losing power again. Too late one power is restored at the end. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AA717driver: Originally Posted By doc_Zox:
There it is. The ship drifts right without power and tries to recover before losing power again. Too late one power is restored at the end. That sped up video clearly shows them trying to turn away from the bridge at the very end. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:35:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SnoGoRider: I know large ships once they come in off of the oceans from other countries, certified captains have to take over the helm once they hit us Waters to navigate through the rivers and lakes. THose captains are called "pilots" and are STUPIDLY good jobs. like 250k plus IIRC one in ALaska said he got 400k to take fuel tankers inand out of kenai AK. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:36:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tac556: Holy shit. That’s not supposed to happen! So what do we think- competency crisis, failing infrastructure issues, or both? I am voting both… Where is the poll? Im voting DEI hire |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:36:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Mach]
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Well besides the deaths of the people on the bridge, this is going to have a major economic impact on the NE US
The Port of Baltimore is a major East Coast port and is going to be closed for an extended period of time. Disruption of oil and fuel supplies and general imported goods just ceased going into and out of Baltimore. Other ships will be stuck in there for a while until the debris can be cleared including the sinking ship. That could take over a year. Can the Port of Philadelphia and the Port of NYC, and Norfolk, pick up the slack from the Port of Baltimore being shut down for an extended period of time? |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:36:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wisbiker67: Just a question, does the USN use that harbor? There are some standby merchant marine ships in the harbor, they are not going anywhere obviously. @wisbiker67 |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:37:33 AM EDT
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R.I.P.to the missing.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:37:52 AM EDT
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Can anyone give a timestamp where anchors are seen dropping?
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:38:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bgenlvtex: In 2024 the only thing more retarded than automatically assuming everything is nefarious, is automatically assuming it is not. We ARE at war with Russia. Just not as much as a bunch of people wish we were. Pretending either of those parties will not escalate to satisfy their goals is obscenely ignorant. If Russia has good intel that the CIA/western intelligence/Ukranian sock puppet was behind the Crocus City event retaliation is a foregone conclusion. Our own government is a far greater threat to our country than any foreign country. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:38:35 AM EDT
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Pretty good synopsis of the accident in 30 seconds by the qualified captain on instagram.
https://www.instagram.com/p/C4-i7SorF0Q/?igsh=MXJrbHFidXU1cWR1OA== Power loss, recovery, power loss, attempted recovery, too late, collision. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:38:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Thugsy: Anyone driving an electric car is fucked even if they survived the fall.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:38:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Gullskjegg]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Subpar: A ship that size takes miles to stop but a 3 knot crosswind can blow it that far off course that quickly? Yes, and currents are a factor as well. 3 knots of wind against the side of Dali is just under 500,000 pounds of force. Add any possible currents, plus the drag of the props, where the rudder settled at, and sure it's possible across that distance. It wasn't as abrupt of a turn as that head on angle would indicate, and it didn't go off course very far. Prayers for all involved. Edited for correctness. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:39:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOtherDave: Interesting: https://twitter.com/YWNReporter/status/1772546230310056446 It's a bit interesting that during the first power failure the nav lights go out, and during the second they don't. I haven't shipped out in twenty years, but as I remember it (as a deck officer), the nav lights were DC. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:39:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burkeva: Anything is possible. If you want to go down that path then lets ask ourselves the following? Why was this ship targeted? Why was this bridge targeted? Why was that specific time and date chosen? Why was this waterway / port targeted? If this was a nefarious plot executed via remote control take over of the vessel then why not do it multiple times simultaneously? Bigger bang for the buck is to do this at the Panama Canal or Suez Canal. Why not target the GW bridge in NY or the Verrazano Bridge - much bigger pay off. Because terrorists love to make statements so they attacked an empty bridge at 2AM named after the man that wrote our national anthem. Duh, fucking dummy. It’s symbolic! /sarcasm. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:39:37 AM EDT
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I know we’re still in recovery and don’t mean to be course with my comment, but I’d like to get my reaction out on day one. Prayers for the people killed and injured in this event.
I think some of you guys are going to be shocked at the speed the channel gets cleared/open and this bridge gets put back up. The piers are already there. Plug in the span and height, build in some improvements over the 60 year old bridge, and get to work. This is where America shines, big construction is what we do. 24 months to get a replacement seems plausible to me, I’ll bet the wheels are already in motion. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:40:10 AM EDT
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I couldn't help but think this while watching the ship approach the bridge:
"Back up back up Terry. PUT IT IN REVERSE TERRY! WHATCHU WATCHU WATCHU DOIN TERRY?!" That said, yea this is bad. Incompetence kills. Praying for those that were lost and their families. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:40:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pilatuspilot: Or people could spend an hour or two on the NTSB's site reading incident reports and see that ships break down all the time. Just rare for the stars to align and hit a bridge. Actually boats hit bridges more commonly than you might imagine. The reports are public knowledge. A lot the ocean shipping world is sketchy. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:41:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: UtahShotgunner]
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I'm sorry OP.
Will be rating your thread as Troll for all the 'tards who have shown up. You couldn't have known.  EDIT: Spell check is tarded. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:42:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sabre_kc: I know we’re still in recovery and don’t mean to be course with my comment, but I’d like to get my reaction out on day one. Prayers for the people killed and injured in this event. I think some of you guys are going to be shocked at the speed the channel gets cleared/open and this bridge gets put back up. The piers are already there. Plug in the span and height, build in some improvements over the 60 year old bridge, and get to work. This is where America shines, big construction is what we do. 24 months to get a replacement seems plausible to me, I’ll bet the wheels are already in motion. No doubt there are engineers working on a new design as we speak. |
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