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Posted: 4/26/2022 5:03:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On AKs in particular they induce malfunctions all time. (Very often by cramming rounds in that should not have gone in, that you then need to try to use the too short cleaning rod to get out.) SCARs have also been known to have malfunctioned induced by them. (Mostly out of battery stuff on these.) Not a fan of replicating charging handles to say the least!! As you are well aware, you also can easily cause a malfunction by simply having the support hand on the "wrong" part of the hand guard. I've shot AKs, M1s and such under perfect conditions, 70 degrees, no rain, all grass no dirt or mud. Still those things got snagged on clothes and gear. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 5:09:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL no. then expound. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 5:12:31 PM EDT
[#3]
too pointy. hurt palm
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Posted: 4/26/2022 5:16:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: then expound. No. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 5:23:29 PM EDT
[#5]
Navy SEAL and Marine infantry instructor: “We’ve actually used FAs in combat and were happy to have them.
GD: Ackchually… |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 5:24:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. thank you for your extensive operational experience and back ground. Sorry your uppers without a BA aren't taking off. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 5:25:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: thank you for your extensive operational experience and back ground. Sorry your uppers without a BA aren't taking off. Let’s hear your resume. I’m not here to sell anything. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 5:27:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Marine infantry instructor: “I actually never used FAs in combat and didnt care about having them. GD: Ackchually… Oh no, its backwards now. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 5:28:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Right, because all you need is a now-thicker thumb to squeeze into an opening that was never designed for a thumb, just to avoid pushing a simple device. Been working fine for me. :shrug: Then again, I don’t have sausage fingers, nor do I wear overly thick gloves in the winter. I prefer a merino wool glove liner under a normal pair of gloves. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 5:32:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh no, its backwards now. Huh? Holy shit that avatar set up is awesome. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 5:32:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/26/2022 5:38:33 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Let’s hear your resume. I’m not here to sell anything. Marine Corps -0341/ 0913/0933 Afghanistan -Jalalabad- Asadabad 2004-05 Irag - Haditha - 2006 Irag- Fallujah - surrounding area2007-2008 SOI-W 2008-2010 Afghanistan - Marjah- 2010-2011 Instructor at MMCAGTFC for Convoy operations-2011-2012 What's yours and how many combat action ribbons you got? |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 5:44:56 PM EDT
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I'm often amazed at what can start a shitstorm here and this is over of those times.
Mine all have one, BTW, but mostly because they all came with one. Any I intend to use to defend myself will have one "just in case". Don't think I've had to use it more than a handful of times. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 5:51:41 PM EDT
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I still like the FA on my rifles. Even though I am more "against" than "for". One is because of Nostalgia.... my issued M4 had one. Two, because my rifles are all "clones" (m4gery, mk12 mod 0, XM117E2, M16A) so I want them looking authentic. Three, because I think the AR looks more cool with one.
Also watching movies and the M16s and M4s in them always have FAs too. 
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Posted: 4/26/2022 5:53:15 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Rittenhouse would be dead if it weren't for the FA Someone please expound on this. I guessed I missed this part during all the courtroom horseshit. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 5:53:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/26/2022 5:56:08 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Has come in handy for me at times. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 5:57:30 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Someone please expound on this. I guessed I missed this part during all the courtroom horseshit. Had a FTF after he hit the ground. Pushed it into battery with the FA. Rifle wasn't properly lubed IIRC. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 6:01:48 PM EDT
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I've only used it once or twice, but then again I'm low speed and don't shoot hundreds of rounds a month with my ARs
The vigor with which some people complain about it, the spiritual redditors, makes me come down on the side of keeping the forward assist for forever |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 6:05:57 PM EDT
[#20]
I like my ridiculously light ar
 ETA: im a dumbass, you can’t see that it’s a slickside receiver |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 6:06:49 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there a more 9mm vs 45 topic than a forward assist vs a slick side ?  GD sure does love these types of topics. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 6:17:37 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How hot do you guys think the outside of a BC gets? I believe the test I read was about 120 degrees after 5 mags in FA. So nothing crazy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Put your thumb there after a mag dump or three. No shit... I believe the test I read was about 120 degrees after 5 mags in FA. So nothing crazy. You can believe whatever test results you want. I'll believe what's left of the scar on my right thumb. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 6:18:43 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: IF you need to use the FA, it is best to eject the problem round. Hopefully the extractor has engaged the rim by then. If not you've got another problem on your hands. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 6:23:00 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was looking forward to AZ5326X2 brand hair gel. The truth hurt my feels...  
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Posted: 4/26/2022 6:23:51 PM EDT
[#25]
I'm looking forward to the AZ5326X2 podcast.
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Posted: 4/26/2022 6:25:42 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Marine Corps -0341/ 0913/0933 Afghanistan -Jalalabad- Asadabad 2004-05 Irag - Haditha - 2006 Irag- Fallujah - surrounding area2007-2008 SOI-W 2008-2010 Afghanistan - Marjah- 2010-2011 Instructor at MMCAGTFC for Convoy operations-2011-2012 What's yours and how many combat action ribbons you got? Oh snap! Someone just got Bitch slapped like a FA! (which is basically useless)
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Posted: 4/26/2022 6:26:44 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Turns a simple jam into an armorer's problem. Or, if you're really lucky, an ophthalmologist's problem. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 6:30:53 PM EDT
[#28]
My issues M-16A1 had a forward assist and that's what I've had since.
Edit: Correction I do have an AR-9 without. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 6:31:07 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm looking forward to the AZ5326X2 podcast. Jocko has that one covered already. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 6:33:44 PM EDT
[#30]
If you are coyote hunting and need to quietly close the bolt while walking into a stand, it can be very useful..
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Posted: 4/26/2022 6:34:47 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you are coyote hunting and need to quietly close the bolt while walking into a stand, it can be very useful.. The only time I've used one is when doing a quiet press check in a similar situation. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 7:05:14 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully the extractor has engaged the rim by then. If not you've got another problem on your hands. Usually when the carrier sticks the round is loose but when the round prevents the carrier from moving forward the extractor gets a grip on the rim. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 7:07:23 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Marine Corps -0341/ 0913/0933 Afghanistan -Jalalabad- Asadabad 2004-05 Irag - Haditha - 2006 Irag- Fallujah - surrounding area2007-2008 SOI-W 2008-2010 Afghanistan - Marjah- 2010-2011 Instructor at MMCAGTFC for Convoy operations-2011-2012 What's yours and how many combat action ribbons you got? You’re not the guy who insisted the SCAR have a reciprocating charging handle are you? |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 7:07:30 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Usually when the carrier sticks the round is loose but when the round prevents the carrier from moving forward the extractor gets a grip on the rim. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hopefully the extractor has engaged the rim by then. If not you've got another problem on your hands. Usually when the carrier sticks the round is loose but when the round prevents the carrier from moving forward the extractor gets a grip on the rim. And usually the forward assist has absolutely no problems. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 7:09:07 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And usually the forward assist has absolutely no problems. Usually the whole rifle has no problems. I fired 20,000 rounds one year and had two malfunctions with what turned out to be a bad mag. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 7:14:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Usually the whole rifle has no problems. I fired 20,000 rounds one year and had two malfunctions with what turned out to be a bad mag. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And usually the forward assist has absolutely no problems. Usually the whole rifle has no problems. I fired 20,000 rounds one year and had two malfunctions with what turned out to be a bad mag. So what's the issue with the forward assist? |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 7:15:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Had a FTF after he hit the ground. Pushed it into battery with the FA. Rifle wasn't properly lubed IIRC. If he had a failure to fire (trigger pulled, hammer dropped) a mere FA tap would not recock the hammer everyone who says "KR used FA therefore you need FA"... tell me if you think a budget S&W with shit-tier red dot is advisable equipment |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 7:26:08 PM EDT
[#38]
If you don't want to use them don't. Who cares, you're not wasting my money or time.
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Posted: 4/26/2022 7:32:23 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If he had a failure to fire (trigger pulled, hammer dropped) a mere FA tap would not recock the hammer everyone who says "KR used FA therefore you need FA"... tell me if you think a budget S&W with shit-tier red dot is advisable equipment Failure to feed |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 7:37:18 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You’re not the guy who insisted the SCAR have a reciprocating charging handle are you? Nice job avoiding the question. I would too if I had no real world experience with something I was shitting all over. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 7:39:02 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I see this trope being pushed more and more... please expound. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You mean the Malfunction Enhancement Button? PRESS HERE TO FUCK YOUR SHIT I see this trope being pushed more and more... please expound. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 7:40:44 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So what's the issue with the forward assist? My main issue is that people stupidly spend minutes jamming at the forward assist making an otherwise mundane issue much worse when taking one second to look, (or feel at night) would lead to a much better solution. Training issue sure, but the forward assist is a jam enabler that doesnt really contribute anything. Taking someones gun who has been jamming at the forward assist and clearing the issue by other means in an instant is always fun. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 7:43:28 PM EDT
[#43]
I had an unusual jam once that was much easier to fix with no tools because of the FA.
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Posted: 4/26/2022 7:43:29 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would you force a round into the chamber? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You mean the Malfunction Enhancement Button? PRESS HERE TO FUCK YOUR SHIT I see this trope being pushed more and more... please expound. Because that's exactly what the BCG is attempting to do. You're just Assisting it. In a Forward direction. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 7:43:59 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My main issue is that people stupidly spend minutes jamming at the forward assist making an otherwise mundane issue much worse when taking one second to look, (or feel at night) would lead to a much better solution. Training issue sure, but the forward assist is a jam enabler that doesnt really contribute anything. Taking someones gun who has been jamming at the forward assist and clearing the issue by other means in an instant is always fun. This is a great point. It's like people that tap/rack over and over again trying to fix a jam instead of doing something else. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 7:58:08 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice job avoiding the question. I would too if I had no real world experience with something I was shitting all over. Couple of tours and now you know more than Eugene Stoner. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 8:02:50 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Couple of tours and now you know more than Eugene Stoner. To be fair, I used em in combat and adverse conditions more than he did. I checked your post... I see you forgot to post your resume and experience. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 8:05:45 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Couple of tours and now you know more than Eugene Stoner. Eugene's original design didn't have a forward assist. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 8:06:53 PM EDT
[#49]
Were you ever involved in a multi year testing program utilizing dozens of rifles and millions of rounds? Since you’re comparing your resume to Stoners.
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Posted: 4/26/2022 8:07:36 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Eugene's original design didn't have a forward assist. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Couple of tours and now you know more than Eugene Stoner. Eugene's original design didn't have a forward assist. Yes and he was always against them. Said they created more problems than they fixed. But he never used it in combat he was talking out of his ass. |
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