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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:18:51 PM EDT
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An esitmated 3.6 million students graduated in 2018-19 school year. Drop out rate hovers around 16/17% That gives us about 4.2 million 18 year old eligible a year. 29% of that is approximately 1.2 million a year who are qualified to be recruited coming into the pool. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:20:54 PM EDT
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My 19 year old son was sworn in to the Army yesterday. Leaves for Fort Jackson August 26. MOS 92F https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/191468/20190126_202917_jpg-971658.JPG Hes the one on the right, my 17 year old on the left. We ran into their kindergarten teacher out at a restaurant. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:21:08 PM EDT
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That has been illegal for about 50 years.
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:22:02 PM EDT
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Yep my 11 yr old has to do 6-11 pull ups every night before bed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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meanwhile, my 12 year old is wondering why the USMC pull up standards are so pussified The smaller of the two recruiters offered her one of their swag backpacks if she could beat him at her choice of push ups or pull ups in 30 seconds...she dropped to forward leaning rest and cranked out 34 push ups before the kid could even get his stopwatch set up. He gave her the bag and told me with a wink "Good job dad"... |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:22:34 PM EDT
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We are ancient Greece in its last days.
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:22:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It took boots on the ground 18 years to get us to the negotiating table with the Taliban. Despite fighting a war nearly 4x longer than WW2, we never needed more boots than volunteers supplied. Arguably we had too many. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:24:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nation building is an expensive and often fruitless hobby. Don't be the proverbial general who can only envision the last war when contemplating the next one. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:25:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly my point. I was in Iraq in 07 and saw some pretty questionable soldiers |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:30:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. We do not have the training facilities to even approach that number. Nor do we have enough Drill Sgt's, Drill instructors and whatever they Air Force and navy calls their versions. You going to train 500 man platoons? I am not trying to disrespect you in any way. God bless the initial instructors. There just aren't enough of you, even pulling in retirees and former instructors that have finished there tour. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:32:00 PM EDT
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As a former Drill SGT I can fix them, had a kid somehow make it to us 40lbs overweight. After 14 weeks the dude looked like Michael Jorden and lost over 50lbs. If SHTF waivers will be given and the military will fix most of them, and the marginal soldiers will assume stateside positions. Not everyone can be Infantry. Somebody has to run a spoon and serve the Mac and cheese. Even if only 15-30% of America could serve that is 45-90 million troops. So 45-90 task forces comprising of a million troops each if my math is right. we will be ok. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:32:16 PM EDT
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This really should not come as a surprise. Just look at most of the younger people today and where their values lie. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:33:13 PM EDT
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I heard the Secretary of the Army last night in a BBC D-Day interview state that 71% (THAT's SEVENTY ONE) of the current younger generation are NON-qualified for entry into the military. That is an staggering number and a cause of grave concern. Reasons, Obesity No high school diploma Criminal Record 
Wait a second, doesn't the US Army take people with a 31 AFQT? 
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:36:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The volunteers will not survive long in a real 1940 era war... What's left for enlisting will be the deal breakers... If there's a real war, there are always men who rise to the challenge, even if they're not the sort who would have considered serving during peacetime |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:39:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The volunteers will not survive long in a real 1940 era war... What's left for enlisting will be the deal breakers... |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:40:05 PM EDT
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Add hasn't been a disqualifier in nearly 15 years. I was delayed because of it, and eventually congress took it off their no-go list. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Add prescribed drug use for things that are new age ilnesses. ADD, ADHD, bipolar, and many more. Parents are so quick to prescribe meds to kids and doctors are so quick to give some diagnosis.
Did they let you stay on meds after you enlisted? |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:41:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In the old days the army reserve maintained a cadre of DIs. I was USMCR and later guard but I knew part time DIs. 
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:43:08 PM EDT
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Well, walking around post looking at some of these kids I think we stretched quite a bit to even hit that 29% figure.
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:44:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not surprised.
Wait second, doesn't the US Army take people with a 31 AFQT? |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:45:16 PM EDT
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My 19 year old son was sworn in to the Army yesterday. Leaves for Fort Jackson August 26. MOS 92F https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/191468/20190126_202917_jpg-971658.JPG Hes the one on the right, my 17 year old on the left. We ran into their kindergarten teacher out at a restaurant. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:45:34 PM EDT
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Yea, but SEVENTY ONE PERCENT. Guess I've been living under a rock with that staggering number!  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This really should not come as a surprise. Just look at most of the younger people today and where their values lie. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:46:00 PM EDT
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I wonder if that number is inflated by the massive number of offspring from illegal third world human potatoes.
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:46:18 PM EDT
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This is a national security issue. #1. We need to get obesity under control, #2. We need to fix society, so these kids aren't so broken. I don't know how we do either under the current degeneration of the culture. We're seeing the cumulative effect of decades of the opposite today. It really is that simple. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:50:24 PM EDT
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Less than 1% join and serve anyway. It could be 90% and there'd still not be blip in recruiting.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:55:25 PM EDT
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Standards change during emergencies. Fat man platoons, waive the hsd requirement. It’s not hard.
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:57:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As political intervention decreases, the need for bodies declines further. At the extreme, the president issues a single command - launch nukes - and zero boots hit the ground. 
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:58:28 PM EDT
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Lol
That's under current standards and with no waivers You can be a convicted murderer and still serve if they needed people. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 3:04:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not at the moment, only cat A & B. I read that they've opened up MOS slots for 31D, 35L, 37F and 38B to entry level recruits. What gives? 
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Posted: 6/7/2019 3:05:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What we have seen is that troops on the ground provide handy targets for retaliation, and are unlikely to create any lasting change beneficial to us there. The only reason to put troops on the ground is to occupy ground that you want to keep for some reason. Troops on the ground in places that you plan on giving back is stupid, especially in the middle east, unless you are planning on giving the region a culture transplant. Since politics follows culture, and not the oher way around, regime change is largely pointless in the long run without a true cultural shift...which takes generations...which would be largly the same as not giving it back. Our interventions in the middle east should have been punish from the air and leave. Repeat as necessary. As far as our national security is concerned, that would have accomplished as much as what we actually did, and at far less cost in nlood and treasure for us. The United States has not benefitted in any appreciable way from the ground invasions we did in Iraq or Afghanistan.  AT THE FRONT IN NORTH AFRICA WWII in COLOR TUNISIA 1942 3431  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 3:14:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess that the recruiters are making their numbers at the moment... I read that they've opened up MOS slots for 31D, 35L, 37F and 38B to entry level recruits. What gives?
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Posted: 6/7/2019 3:22:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I had to guess, the current crop of World of Warcraft nerds is either retiring or getting admin separated from the Army for non conformity or drug use. 
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Posted: 6/7/2019 3:23:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, out of all of them, which MOS has the most World of Warcraft nerds? |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 3:25:15 PM EDT
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All the way up until they start a draft and then only 1% will be non qaulified.
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Posted: 6/7/2019 3:27:54 PM EDT
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35 / 37 Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: So, out of all of them, which MOS has the most World of Warcraft nerds? 
I wonder what a 37F actually does when deployed.
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Posted: 6/7/2019 3:29:25 PM EDT
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He also stated, they didn't have the intelligence necessary to join. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 3:30:18 PM EDT
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It took boots on the ground 18 years to get us to the negotiating table with the Taliban. Despite fighting a war nearly 4x longer than WW2, we never needed more boots than volunteers supplied. Arguably we had too many. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sure does...You still always need boots on the ground where needed. All the drones and smart weapons we have in our arsenal cannot defeat the enemy as a whole. We see this especially in the middle east conflicts. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 3:32:14 PM EDT
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As from 4+ years of experience as a Recruiter, its actually less... And even fewer can actually pass the ASVAB. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 3:38:48 PM EDT
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Does it matter? It's not 1940 where victory depends on masses of conscripts slinging dumb artillery. We have nukes, drones, and volunteers now. The military gets more volunteers than they want out of the other 29% anyway. If for some reason they don't, they'll lower their standards to qualify a higher percentage. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 3:42:48 PM EDT
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This. The military gets more volunteers than they want out of the other 29% anyway. If for some reason they don't, they'll lower their standards to qualify a higher percentage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does it matter? It's not 1940 where victory depends on masses of conscripts slinging dumb artillery. We have nukes, drones, and volunteers now. The military gets more volunteers than they want out of the other 29% anyway. If for some reason they don't, they'll lower their standards to qualify a higher percentage. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 3:49:56 PM EDT
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I didn't qualify either
Apparently uncle sugar doesn't like detached retinas |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 3:52:51 PM EDT
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Hmmm. Looking around, I can see why. Many teenagers in our middle class neighborhood do not want to drive, work, or even date. They sit on their phones/computers all day and their parents seem to be at a loss on how to motivate them. Sad situation.
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Posted: 6/7/2019 3:59:57 PM EDT
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Hunh? Current OPTEMPO do you speak it? Nukes? Who? https://www.ploughshares.org/sites/default/files/1200x630_world-nuclear-weapon-stockpile_04.29.2019.png |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:02:44 PM EDT
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Which 35 has the most?
I wonder what a 37F actually does when deployed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: So, out of all of them, which MOS has the most World of Warcraft nerds?
I wonder what a 37F actually does when deployed.
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:03:50 PM EDT
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No high school diploma Criminal Record |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:11:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is subject to change at any time. Also, waivers are pretty common. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:11:43 PM EDT
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I heard the Secretary of the Army last night in a BBC D-Day interview state that 71% (THAT's SEVENTY ONE) of the current younger generation are NON-qualified for entry into the military. That is an staggering number and a cause of grave concern. Reasons, Obesity No high school diploma Criminal Record Because someone had asthma when they were 2 years old is a disqualifier is stupid. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:13:39 PM EDT
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All the more reason for mandatory 2-year service for all of them. ETA: A lot of the physical requirements will be waivered if the cause is great enough. I had a boss that was missing part/all of his right bird/ring and little finger. He tried to join but was 4F. Later he got a call: "you still have your trigger finger. If you want to join, come on down." He was rushed thru basic training and 75 years ago, yesterday, he went across Omaha Beach. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:13:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:17:43 PM EDT
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BULLSHIT!!! No one in the military has time to supervise all the fuckups. There is a reason the military is NOT clamoring for a draft. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:25:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The military should spend more time thinking honestly thinking about who they promote rather than who they induct. Id take an armed forces with a draft but genuinly good leadership who do what it takes to win over what we have now anyday. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:27:52 PM EDT
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Both my kids are in the military Son USMC https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/74272/0855B81B-E916-4AC6-A3B5-0828C1AA44D8_jpeg-971631.JPG Daughter swore in to Army NG, goes to basic in August. Pink hair https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/74272/C3CE0CDF-1888-414D-A3C3-E125F1FFF9B8_jpeg-971633.JPG Not pink hair https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/74272/3E65044F-7225-40C9-ADCE-50B3F26D91CE_jpeg-971634.JPG I'm very proud of them both. |
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