You're asking two questions with different answers...

No, the blacklisting of people taking certain meds would not reduce the rate occurrence of the mass shooting.

Yes, I would be pissed if ANYTHING was added to the 4473 as the form itself is an abomination and an infringement. People taking drugs to maintain mental health should not be punished.

If someone is insane and is a danger with a gun... They should not be walking among the rest of us, as they are also a danger without a gun. They could also buy a gun illegally, steal one, etc. The point is you remove the threat from society, not a single tool among millions of tools.

What is your deal?  Having a discussion about the factors that lead a person to take a dive off the deep end is not a bad thing.

I do not think anyone is necessarily suggesting that more just wondering if a correlation exists or what factors lead a person to this end.

So you just want to transfer the left's hate of guns, and their desire to restrict them, to hate of psych meds, and the desire to restrict them. I see.

Hail Xenu.

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You guys have to have gotten the ripples by now, a schedule 1 drug bieng evaluated in fda clinical trials for PTSD therapy.
Any personal conclusions to draw from a serotonin releasing entactogenic amphetamine showing significant therapeutic value? Perhaps unorthodox therapy for ailments like PTSD, depression, emotions at end of life sickness, etc. share similar promise for the relevent mental problems associated with mass killing.

I do think these drugs need better regulations.  They are way over prescribed to people who do not need them because a person said to their doctor I am X Y Z.  Then out comes the script pad and boom her take these three drugs twice a day you will feel all better.
I do not think many people grasp what these drugs do to the person who takes these drugs the effects it has on your brain.  The red flag on these drugs should be when they are reading off side effects may include and mention "if you have thoughts of suicide" that these drugs are serious and really effect the patient.  I am not tying my comments to guns I am simply stating facts about the drugs and what they do to people.  Take an hour out of your day and learn the chemistry behind what these drugs to in the brain.  It is pretty neat at the same time make you think if this drug gets into the wrong hand what the intended effect will be.  Could these drugs be the reason for the jump in suicides over the decades?

Also I never said that they do not work for some people because they do when they are dosed correctly and the person legitimately needs them.

I’ve been around GD over 14 years, and this is the most retarded thing I’ve ever seen posted.

All you are proving is that drugs are sometimes prescribed incorrectly.  That is the fault of doctors and pharmacists (and I respect them because I know they are smarter than me) that don’t have enough experience or knowledge

No, because some of it has off label use for non crazy people.

SSRI’s can be used for premature ejaculation.

They’re usually suicidal, not homicidal.

I thought she tried to get him committed?  He murdered her first.

Drugs that are missperscribed can have disastrous effect some can cause anaphylactic shock, some can make a person go to sleep and never wake up (my best friend was prescribed methadone for serve pain and went to sleep never to wake up), and list goes on.
I do not think doctors do it intentionally but it seems that just by going to the doctor they think they should prescribe something or give the patient a pill.  I honestly think doctors should prescribe placebos for people because we have proven the placebo effect works in a lot of cases which is why they give people placebo in drug trials.  I also agree some people need real treatment and many drugs have a good positive effect where they upside far outweighs the downside.  Look at the opioid issues going on you can hardly get doctors to prescribe them now except for legitimate reasons but opioids are sometimes better drugs to take than NSAIDS if they are taken properly.. That is the hard part about opioids is getting people to take them correctly which many do not.

These threads go up every time there's a mass shooting.

Apparently psych meds trigger a whole bunch of Real Men (TM) on this board.

This!  So much this!

We are the only country on this planet that allows Big Pharma to advertise directly to the consumer.   People are self diagnosing and doctors are getting kick backs from prescribing these medications.

Have there been any reports of the recent shooting perps being on ANY drugs?

And so far not a single proposal to further regulate guns would have altered ANY of these events.

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The OP seems to be smart, but either unable to express his views adequately or is really not that knowledgeable about this subject.

An otherwise normal person with ADHD who takes as amphetamine based medication does not suddenly lose inhibitions.  The medicine works to inhibit their impulses so they are in what i’ll call the “normal range”.  This is the exact opposite of what you are suggesting.

Every medicine has the potential to do something screwy to the patient.  If you are going to go down this road, you would have to prohibit anyone on any medicine.

We really have a shortage of psychiatrists in the US.  Laws and court rulings also prevent confinement of those truly prone to violence.  Illegal drugs also worsen mental illness or possibly bring it out in those who might not otherwise develop it.

No and not because it effects me.  I know lots of fine people who are treating ADD, depression and a host of other ills with medication.  You'd never know unless they told you.  Like I said, fine people who've done nothing wrong and whose likelihood of doing wrong is no greater than any one of us.

Your last paragraph is spot on.   Could you imagine the political fallout if either party even suggested bringing back asylums?  Especially in this day and age where we essentially put mental illnesses on a pedestal?  That would be the end of whichever party suggested it, for the next decade or more.   The gnashing of teeth would be amusing but the end result would probably be worth the temporary pain if we got the people who truly need help, the help they need.  Of course, this might actually be a solution and we know that'll never be allowed to happen.  Way too much money in campaigning on problems to actually solve them.

And that shouldn't be on the 4473 either, come to think about it we shouldn't have a 4473 OP

I'm very close to a guy that has the exact same feeling.

4473s shouldn't exist.  The FFL system is unconstitutional.  The Gun Control Act is unconstitutional.

And again, it isn't government's job to decide who is "safe" to be allowed to own guns.

Longtime members continue to disappoint.

"the wittiest drivel that GD is known for"?

Yet here you are.

Sure. Great idea. We'll just make this person prohibited for somethinf legal. Then this person for something else legal. Then another. And another.

Say, didn't you yell at a cable company service rep back in 2006? Didn't you honk twice at a car in 2011? Yep. You're on the list. Turn in your weapons and be a good citizen.

The American people are, for the most part, completely fearful cowards.  They are begging for a police state to protect them from anyone the TEEVEE box tells them is dangerous.

Because they're too goddamn pussified and weak to take responsibility for their own safety.

50k people died to make limited constitutional government and personal liberty a reality in this country.  Apparently they died for nothing.

1 in 6 to 1 in 4 of gun owners take those types meds. Yet, firearms violence is rare.

Answer in search of a question.

Let those that pass it, stack up for the raids.

I went to the doctor awhile back knee back/leg/sciatica nerve pain and asked the doctor for a muscle relaxer I could take on an as needed basis.  He gets on his notebook and starts keying in a list of meds and talking to me about X Y Z and A he can prescribe.  I said immediately I really do not want an opioid my pain is not near enough that level I need it just sometimes my back muscles start wrenching and having a spasm a simple muscle relaxer paired with heating pad and some stretching is all I need.  He looked at me like are you serious you are not here to beg for oxycontin or whatever.  Plus I like having regular bowel movements and not being constipated.  I am also the type of person that will research the medication before I take it unless it is a serious infection I need to get ahead of like an antibiotic.  I think I still have a bottle of hydrocodone thrown in the back of the medicine cabinet from an injury I took 2 doses to get past the initial serious pain and then went to vitamin M till I did not need that any longer.

They way doctors just throw drugs at us is troublesome.

Some data points exist that show some correlation but I would not call it concrete evidence.  It might be worth looking into at least from a suicide stand point.  Something has made suicides spike and the rise of countless psychotropic drugs, social media, PC culture, break down of families, and list go on might all have a contributing effect.  Maybe all these things combined in a weak or damaged mind is a recipe for disaster that could send someone over the edge to commit suicide or mass homicide.  Social media has already show it causes some people deep severe depression.  Couple that with the constant negative shit we see on social media and in the MSM.  I can say the day I quite social media was actually a good day I basically said to Hell with it moved on to better things.

Or arithmetic.

Bingo.  Docs have been pushing them over the opioids with mixed results.  Expensive with lots of side effects.

Stop trying to give the damn cake away.

The last thing that we need is people being afraid to seek treatment because they fear losing their right to buy (or keep) firearms.  The result will be exactly what we have now.

The entire logic can easily be flipped to read: it's not the drugs, it's the person that pulls the trigger.  Sound familier?

Ok, don't prescribe either. See what happens.

yes i agree with this. and folks who use alcohol because you dont want anyone who uses intoxicants to be able to obtain firearms.

add nicotine (cigarettes, skoal, juul, chewing tobacco)

and coffee and tea since it contains a mind altering substance.

there are certain folks i dont want to have firearms. what method you use for determining that is beyond me.

hell.. just ban all firearms, except for democrats. any democrat can purchase firearms. that will work because democrats find guns icky and wouldnt buy them. so no one would have firearms..

aint that the goal?

heck .. lets do this..

to buy a firearm.. you must be a citizen. to be a citizen you must go through some government service, like the military. if you make it through that and are adjudged sane, you obtain your citizen papers and can buy firearms. only citizens can vote. and you must earn your citizenship. its not a birthright.

Don't forget alcohol more violent crimes are committed by persons on alcohol than any other mind altering drug.

Someone has never herd of meth apparently

Medications used to treat ADD or ADHD are not associated with the sort of psychosis that causes a person to start shooting innocent people.

Let's not confuse the fart for the turd.   People who are using prescription psychotropic drugs who lose their perspective and become violent are PROBABLY not doing it because of the MEDICATION, but because of the CONDITION that the medication is meant to treat.

It's also known that altering the dosage or getting the dosage wrong can screw up the patient.  So don't skip today's dose and the double up on tomorrow's to try to catch up!

I'm not going to say that I think that you should automatically be denied firearms rights if you're diagnosed with a mental condition that requires medication.

UNLESS the patient has been shown to actually have violent tendencies and is showing clear evidence of aggressive antisocial behavior.

Some people are not competent to have access to firearms.  We need to ensure that they DON'T, but we also need to ensure that the determination is made based on the evidence and not on some personal bias on the part of the doctor doing the diagnosis.

I'd say that it'd be appropriate to include consultations with the family, friends, and coworkers of the patient to find out what they know regarding the patient's current behavior and state of mind.  Let those opinions factor heavily into the decisions to follow.

In addition to adding stigma and possibly prevent folks seeking treatment, some of the meds used for depression, anxiety, mood stabilization or psychosis have other legitimate, non psych uses.

Many antidepressants are used for nerve pain to avoid narcotic use or to help quit smoking...heck had a few patients using it for premature ejaculation.

Some mood stabilizers/bipolar meds are also anticonvulsants used to prevent migraines, used for neuropathy or fibromyalgia or help with weight lose.

Not an expert.  But, one side effect of many SSRI’s is suicidal thoughts or even the act itself.   If an SSRI can make one suicidal then why can’t one be homicidal?

And it appears you are, in fact, mentally compromised.  Or haven’t you read people seriously stating all gun owners have Freudian endowment issues, and Republicans are, by definition, insane.  It. Will. Not. End.  When mental health professionals state this is a dumb idea (see almost any news article on this, including in mainstream news sources), you’re really being dense in thinking that barring a fifth of the country will be the extent of it.

Rampant overprescribing...source?  Not associated with an abusive, tyrant-worshipping, family destroying cult founded by a pathetic SciFi huckster?

Bingo.

Look at how many alcohol related fatalities there are each day on highways in your state.  Not good. But way more deaths than by mass shootings.

Trump has lost his f’ing mind if he thinks UBC, RFL, and the crap I’m listening to a recording of him saying from earlier today is going to be acceptable to me.  What the hell is a “meaningful background check”?  Gun registration?  I don’t think so Donny boy.

How about we put some reasonable restrictions on the media for all the lies they tell?

This is possibly the stupidest thing I've heard this month. And I literally work with mentally challenged folks, so it's quite an accomplishment.

Good job little buddy!

Slippery slope.

Please prove the part about the kickbacks. You should look into the sunshine act.

In America, we allow patients to have a voice. In countries with medical socialism, patients are at the mercy of government which usually selects predominantly the cheapest medication.

America looks for innovation. Rest of world looks to piggy back off our spending.

OP, you want my address?

Ambian? Many Veterans are given that by the VA so we can sleep. So it’s choose sleep OR constitutional rights?

Not a good plan at all.

We need to stop looking for what we can use to deprive people of rights (to pre judge). We need to look for what we can do to protect ourselves everyday. Try US wide reciprocity for carry.

There are so many societal issues that play a part in driving these things, I don't even know where we would start.

My kids never knew a world without smart phones, youtube, social media and the associated overwhelming amount of information being thrown at us. We have no idea how this is affecting us, let alone the kids we're trying to parent.

Not to mention the fact that we have created a culture of "freedom" while removing most of the inherent responsibilities and consequences of our actions. The dissolution of the 2 parent household is just one example of this.

But really, the fact is that the peace and health and security which we currently enjoy, are a very recent phenomenon. War, slavery, tyranny, famine, rape and all manner of atrocities have been the norm for all of our history. This past couple hundred years is a blip on the radar.

Unfortunately, the fact is that there will always be shitty people that do shitty things. Sometimes it's the leader of a nation and sometimes its some trailer trash scumbag.

The real question is; why do we give mass shootings, and "gun violence" so much more attention than any of the other tragic things that happen every single day? I believe that the reason for the increase in these events (if there really is an increase) has more to do with the answer to that question than anything else. The "mass shooting" has become the ultimate "fuck you" to society for scumbags who decide to snap for whatever reason. If cars running through crowds of people got that much attention, it would probably have the same result.

What we need as a society is a fundamental change in our way of thinking. People need to realize that we choose to live in a country with a certain freedoms. The trade off is we have violence portrayed in movies, music and video games, the ability to treat each other like crap, and a shit ton of guns that aren't going anywhere. And most importantly, that there will always be a motherfucker looking to get it on. No one is responsible for our safety except ourselves. If our government and media elites really wanted to decrease these things, they would be encouraging, guiding and teaching us to take personal responsibility in all areas including personal defense.

All of the neverending arguing about guns vs medications vs video games is just pissing into the wind.

"But we have to do SOMETHING!"

OK. Start reporting mass shootings with the same attention as a typical Chicago weekend, and remove the fear of guns by teaching the general population how to safely handle and carry them. That's "something".

"Whoa! That's not what we meant!"

Then fuck off.

Home? Fuck I have one in my pocket.