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Posted: 4/29/2021 4:17:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you captain obvious. Seeing as how this is a thread about not being able to get opiates for medical reasons…I’m aware tramadol is an opiate  Anal ease has lidocaine for topical use... |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 4:18:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you give details? I'm curious what they are doing that makes dentists not be able to Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It’s the DEA Can you give details? I'm curious what they are doing that makes dentists not be able to A dentist almost certainly has a DEA Schedule II-V license. So they "can" write you a scrip for an opioid. They are choosing not to do so because of the increased hassle associated with prescribing CII drugs, which is now virtually all opioids except for some combination meds that have a relatively low level of codeine along with an NSAID. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 4:22:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anal ease has lidocaine for topical use... Pretty sure you can get injectable lidocaine up to 4% w/ a script. I keep some in my dog first aide kit that I buy from Walmart. It be wayyyyt easier if I could just get a freaking tramadol. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 4:25:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wife had a "mommy makeover", tummy tuck, boob job, and some lipo a couple of months ago.. Doc doesn't prescribe opiates. Tramadol, celebrex and something else I don't remember. And no, you pervs don't get pics. Obligatory "divorce papers come next" statement. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 4:37:23 PM EDT
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I'm not advocating that docs break the law here, given how easy it is to get busted - but on the patient side... with alllll the stupid bullshit going on, there is absolutely zero reason to give a shit about obeying the law.
Any of y'all actually think the cocksuckers busy going after regular Americans for being "domestic terrorists" are doing it while suffering without pain meds after a tooth extraction? Fuck no. Of course not. Rules are for peasants. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 4:43:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But yet i am prescribed almost 5 Grams of gabapetin a day... At least one State has scheduled Gabapentin (Michigan). Pretty soon the list of shit not scheduled will be shorter than the list of shit that is scheduled. "Sorry sir, we're going to need your Dr to provide another prescription before we can sell you this Preparation H. You see, one time some kid somewhere on earth smeared some prep H into a pipe and smoked it then wrecked his car later. Despite having a BAC of .35, it's better to be safe than sorry, and we've determined that asshole grease is now a potential drug of abuse." |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 4:43:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not advocating that docs break the law here, given how easy it is to get busted - but on the patient side... with alllll the stupid bullshit going on, there is absolutely zero reason to give a shit about obeying the law. Any of y'all actually think the cocksuckers busy going after regular Americans for being "domestic terrorists" are doing it while suffering without pain meds after a tooth extraction? Fuck no. Of course not. Rules are for peasants. It’s not breaking the law. It’s them protecting a highly regulated LC. Their DEA LC can get yanked for “administrative” reasons. Mistakes can and do happen with paperwork. If you don’t play by the DEA’s rules…an administrative find turns into a LC suspension that would otherwise be a simple compliance finding. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 4:46:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: wife had spinal fusion recently. Doc prescribed her 5mg Oxycodones. That did nothing; she has a VERY high tolerance for pain meds. Doc told her to go to 10mg, and he called her in a 10mg prescription since she was going to run out twice as fast. Pharmacy says they cannot fill it until Day 6 after teh operation because "she already has some." No shit, you buttplugs, but she's going to run completely OUT of her first prescription on Day FOUR because the Doc retroactively DOUBLED her dosage. Meaning she'll have NO pain meds for about 36 hours until you buttfuckers fill it.  Pharmacists can be a real PITA about this stuff. Friends daughter who was 11, had to have a tooth that had grown horizontal cut out of her gums. Every damn one of them refused to fill the Rx written by the dentist. The POS dentist just said sorry nothing I can do and I know damn well the dentist knew about the pharmacists wouldn't fill the rx. All in involved left an 11 year old child to spend the night in tears and told her tylenol and advil. Basically kill your liver and burn a hole in you stomach because junkies. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 4:47:52 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When I had my wisdom teeth out I used Toradol (I had seen back patients using it at the hospital I worked at). Very impressed, did great for my mouth pain. Isn't Toradol a non-narcotic anti-inflammatory? Thats what I had way back when. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 4:48:58 PM EDT
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They gave me Dialudid when I had mu kidney stones and all I could think was how the fuck do people get addicted to this shit? It made me feel like total ass and didn't even really numb the pain (nothing really can with kidney stones).
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Posted: 4/29/2021 4:52:35 PM EDT
[#11]
Sounds like OP is Jonesin'.
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Posted: 4/29/2021 4:55:04 PM EDT
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My Dad is at my house right now with a spinal compression fracture.
“We can set you up with a Pain Management Specialist in two weeks. For right now we don’t prescribe opiates so try Tylenol.” Fuck those assholes. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 4:56:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like OP is Jonesin'. For Tramadol? I’d have to take 700-800 mg to catch a buzz…that make me sicker than a dog. Again, tell a junky they’re getting tramadol and you’ll get a look of disgust. It’s the only schedule IV opiate. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 4:58:37 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I watched a documentary on illegal gold mines in Africa. Tramadol was the drug of choice. I know it's not the USA, but an answer to your question. If you’re working in a fucking illegal African gold mine I’m just going to go right ahead and guess you need some pain relief. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 4:58:57 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s not breaking the law. It’s them protecting a highly regulated LC. Their DEA LC can get yanked for “administrative” reasons. Mistakes can and do happen with paperwork. If you don’t play by the DEA’s rules…an administrative find turns into a LC suspension that would otherwise be a simple compliance finding. Well Jesus Christ you had your tooth pulled or "teeth pulled" for god's sake. Why isn't that enough for the dentist to record in his record book and say "here it is DEA......he needed it"????? Why is your dentist chicken shit? |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 4:59:54 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s not breaking the law. It’s them protecting a highly regulated LC. Their DEA LC can get yanked for “administrative” reasons. Mistakes can and do happen with paperwork. If you don’t play by the DEA’s rules…an administrative find turns into a LC suspension that would otherwise be a simple compliance finding. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not advocating that docs break the law here, given how easy it is to get busted - but on the patient side... with alllll the stupid bullshit going on, there is absolutely zero reason to give a shit about obeying the law. Any of y'all actually think the cocksuckers busy going after regular Americans for being "domestic terrorists" are doing it while suffering without pain meds after a tooth extraction? Fuck no. Of course not. Rules are for peasants. It’s not breaking the law. It’s them protecting a highly regulated LC. Their DEA LC can get yanked for “administrative” reasons. Mistakes can and do happen with paperwork. If you don’t play by the DEA’s rules…an administrative find turns into a LC suspension that would otherwise be a simple compliance finding. Those license holders are also the one's in the best position to advocate for the patient and push back but they just rolled over. Wonder what would happen if that same license holder or a member of their family was in pain? |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:01:17 PM EDT
[#17]
This brings back some fun memories. Had to have all but two of my baby teeth ripped out of my skull (impacted) and all I got was milkshakes and children’s Tylenol.
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:02:15 PM EDT
[#18]
Next time ask what the options before you get the work done. If they don't meet your needs then don't do it. Find someone who can do what you want them to do for the money you pay them.
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:02:31 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not asking for VicodinI'm asking for Tramadolworld apart on the opiate spectrum. But some retard at the DEA who knows nothing about drug interaction is the one setting policy apparently. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:02:40 PM EDT
[#20]
Yeah, it has gotten out of control
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:02:46 PM EDT
[#21]
I stopped reading at titty fucking sprinkles and went to pornhub. Sorry
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:03:14 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well Jesus Christ you had your tooth pulled or "teeth pulled" for god's sake. Why isn't that enough for the dentist to record in his record book and say "here it is DEA......he needed it"????? Why is your dentist chicken shit? I’d be conservative too if I could have 10 years of school down the drain, my lifestyle ripped from me, and potentially tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:03:24 PM EDT
[#23]
it's very variable, too
I get told to take Advil after a wisdom tooth removal, but my friend went at a nearby dentist and they gave him a script for some pretty hardcore opioids after a filling. He didn't even want them or ask for them. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:04:41 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d be conservative too if I could have 10 years of school down the drain, my lifestyle ripped from me, and potentially tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well Jesus Christ you had your tooth pulled or "teeth pulled" for god's sake. Why isn't that enough for the dentist to record in his record book and say "here it is DEA......he needed it"????? Why is your dentist chicken shit? I’d be conservative too if I could have 10 years of school down the drain, my lifestyle ripped from me, and potentially tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees. For prescribing the drug for bad surgical pain?
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:04:43 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you specifically ask, they probably marked you down as a drug seeker. I’ve been in health care for 20 years. Not once have I seen someone who asks for tramadol labeled as a drug seeker. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:05:16 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For prescribing the drug for bad surgical pain? It’s not the dentist who are acting outrageously. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:06:13 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve been in health care for 20 years. Not once have I seen someone who asks for tramadol labeled as a drug seeker. Have you ever seen a dentist lose his license for prescribing an opiate for mouth surgery??? |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:07:21 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s not the dentist who are acting outrageously. I agree but quit defending him. He has a notebook and records what the pills were prescribed for and why. How can he get into trouble for that? That is what opiates are for. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:08:15 PM EDT
[#29]
Sorry, OP. The drug war has always been stupid.
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:08:37 PM EDT
[#30]
Just go to your closest big city and score some heroin instead
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:09:18 PM EDT
[#31]
I got a prescription for 800mg ibuprofen and told to fuck off after a root canal and crown.
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:10:17 PM EDT
[#32]
Quoted: What in the the titty fucking sprinkles is wrong with the cock fags at the DEA? The war on opiates is getting out of control. I can’t get a fucking prescription for Tramadol after having two teeth extracted. What in the fucking fuck is this bullshit? Dentist was like yeah…they really cracked down on any opiates…again tramadol… who the fuck gets high off tramadol? The dentist can offer me a Xanax for any anxiety but some cock sucker at the DEA says…better not let someone have tramadol after someone has ripped teeth roots out of your skull…that’s not reasonable apparently Eat a bag of dicks you Fucking douche bags. Thank god for bourbon…not only does it dull pain but it’s antiseptic as well Did you specifically ask for it by name? My wife is a pharmacist and said this usually throws a huge red flag to doctors....... She also mentioned its is becoming common practice for the dopers to let their teeth rot out of their head in an effort to get an all expense paid trip to the dentist and beg for opiates there.
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:10:34 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I got a prescription for 800mg ibuprofen and told to fuck off after a root canal and crown. I told the dentist I can't take that dosage because it absolutely tears up my stomach.......they gave me a Rx for Tylenol 3. They recorded it in their log book and they are still practicing dentistry. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:10:59 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you ever seen a dentist lose his license for prescribing an opiate for mouth surgery??? No but I don’t work in dentistry. I have seen medical MD’s have their DEA number suspended for minor administrative issues. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:12:22 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you specifically ask for it by name? My wife is a pharmacist and said this usually throws a huge red flag to doctors....... She also mentioned its is becoming common practice for the dopers to let their teeth rot out of their head in an effort to get an all expense paid trip to the dentist and beg for opiates there. Ask your wife about tramadol and drug seekers and come back with her comment. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:14:23 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The whole process is pants on fire retarded. My oldest is on adhd meds, and every few months they screw something up and try to make you feel like a criminal. amazing how their default answer for their mistakes is always we need a new script. That’s shitty customer service/ patient care. Find a new druggist. It’s like firing a shitty primary doc who doesn’t give a shit about you, they are a dime a dozen. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:14:45 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d be conservative too if I could have 10 years of school down the drain, my lifestyle ripped from me, and potentially tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well Jesus Christ you had your tooth pulled or "teeth pulled" for god's sake. Why isn't that enough for the dentist to record in his record book and say "here it is DEA......he needed it"????? Why is your dentist chicken shit? I’d be conservative too if I could have 10 years of school down the drain, my lifestyle ripped from me, and potentially tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees. So much for "do no harm" ..... |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:16:36 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: IIRC, tramadol works on the mu receptor and has 1/6000 th the effect of morphine. And Im gonna go out on a limb and say that is probably why it used to be OTC. YMMV Ortho McNeil never sold Ultram as an over the counter product. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:17:01 PM EDT
[#39]
I had four wisdom teeth removed, three turned into dry sockets. The pain was so bad the weak as fuck Percocet only worked when I chased it with a few beers. I was at the dentist immediately the following morning.
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:18:05 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Move to a free state. You can take the man out of California but you cannot take California out of the man.
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:24:50 PM EDT
[#41]
Had the rug pulled out from under me fall of 2017 by the VA. No more pain meds for my wrecked knee. Pain Management was pointless and those treetments no longer work.
My Dentist was pretty cool and would prescribe appropriate meds when i broke a few teeth and needed referred to another place that did Root Canal Preceedures (Both are family friends). At some point back in 2018 she stopped proscribing opiates, regardless how bad off you were. Have not been able to get the story from her on what happened. Same with with local oral surgeon with exception for extreme casese. He's another family friend (My mom retired from his practice where she was a Oral Surgical Assistant for many years), so i was not treeted like a druggie when I asked for options for pain management when I had to get broken teeth dug out,  Feds. Scared Docs. Fucking Asshole FUCKS who abused pain meds and ruined it for everboy else and now we ALL have to suffer because of THEM. And there is a special hell somewhere for the pain management peeps over at the VA. THey have blood on their hands. 
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:27:03 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ask your wife about tramadol and drug seekers and come back with her comment. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Did you specifically ask for it by name? My wife is a pharmacist and said this usually throws a huge red flag to doctors....... She also mentioned its is becoming common practice for the dopers to let their teeth rot out of their head in an effort to get an all expense paid trip to the dentist and beg for opiates there. Ask your wife about tramadol and drug seekers and come back with her comment. Oh god, you sure you want that can of worms? She is going look for her Merck Manual lol...... |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:28:32 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh god, you sure you want that can of worms? She is going look for her Merck Manual lol...... She’ll get why I asked and how it pertains to drug seeking behavior. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:30:18 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I started my journey of being addicted to pills at the dentist. Wrote me 30 vicodins for a crown. It's not his fault I got addicted. It's all mine. I fucking love opiates as it turns out. Took me 2 years to kick them. Whoa. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:34:45 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I started my journey of being addicted to pills at the dentist. Wrote me 30 vicodins for a crown. It's not his fault I got addicted. It's all mine. I fucking love opiates as it turns out. Took me 2 years to kick them. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:36:56 PM EDT
[#46]
I feel there’s more to this story. They wouldn’t deny a fill for Tramadol for no reason.
Now there can be limitations on the fill: Greater than 7 day supply Other opiates filled recently Dea number missing on the Rx Insurance not wanting to pay for the amount of opiates Bc you don’t normally take them, but you have the option of paying out of pocket for that. But given you take Xanax, which is a common drug combo with a pain pill which both happen to be abused often, it can also throw a red flag. So did they deny filling tramadol just Bc they guy didn’t feel like filling it? Or is it one of the above situations? |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:39:14 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I find it very hard to believe you got addicted after only 30 vicodin, theres more to it I'm sure. And if true, that would be the reason the rest of us suffer in pain. Folks don’t think the limbic system be like it is but it do. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:40:19 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I feel there’s more to this story. They wouldn’t deny a fill for Tramadol for no reason. Now there can be limitations on the fill: Greater than 7 day supply Other opiates filled recently Dea number missing on the Rx Insurance not wanting to pay for the amount of opiates Bc you don’t normally take them, but you have the option of paying out of pocket for that. But given you take Xanax, which is a common drug combo with a pain pill which both happen to be abused often, it can also throw a red flag. So did they deny filling tramadol just Bc they guy didn’t feel like filling it? Or is it one of the above situations? This wasn’t at the pharmacy…this is the dentist not writing a script for tramadol… |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:44:52 PM EDT
[#49]
I had to get a tooth pulled that apparently had 4 roots. Dentist was like WTF! and I think ended up splitting the tooth and taking it out that way. Left a hell of a hole and the nurse/assistance said the DEA had cracked down on everything. Just take some extra strength Tylenol if I had any pain. I think Tylenol 3 is all they gave Granny when she fell in the bathroom and hurt her butt/back and she was 90 something then.
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:44:55 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: She’ll get why I asked and how it pertains to drug seeking behavior. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh god, you sure you want that can of worms? She is going look for her Merck Manual lol...... She’ll get why I asked and how it pertains to drug seeking behavior. Just got this copypasta from her. 5/15/19 Cornelius A. Thiels, D.O., from the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, and colleagues conducted an observational study of administrative claims data for opioid-naive patients undergoing elective surgery. The risk for persistent opioid use after discharge was examined for patients treated with tramadol alone versus other short-acting opioids. Overall, 357,884 of the 444,764 patients who met the inclusion criteria filled a discharge prescription for one or more opioids associated with one of 20 included operations. The most commonly prescribed postoperative opioids were hydrocodone (53.0 percent of those filling a single opioid), short-acting oxycodone (37.5 percent), and tramadol (4 percent). The researchers found that the unadjusted risk for prolonged opioid use after surgery was 7.1, 1.0, and 0.5 percent, respectively, using three definitions of prolonged opioid use: additional opioid use, persistent opioid use, and the CONsortium to Study Opioid Risks and Trends (CONSORT) definition. Relative to individuals receiving other short-acting opioids, receipt of tramadol alone correlated with a 6 percent (adjusted risk ratio [aRR], 1.06; 95 percent confidence interval [CI], 1.00 to 1.13; P = 0.049), 47 percent (aRR, 1.47; 95 percent CI, 1.25 to 1.69; P < 0.001), and 41 percent (aRR, 1.41; 95 percent CI, 1.08 to 1.75; P = 0.013) increase in the risk for additional opioid use, persistent opioid use, and a CONSORT chronic opioid use episode, respectively. "[These] data will force us to reevaluate our postsurgical prescribing guidelines," Thiels said in a statement. "And while tramadol may still be an acceptable option for some patients, our data [suggest] we should be as cautious with tramadol as we are with other short-acting opioids." |
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