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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:32:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drakich:
A lot of New Jersey types posting in this thread. This shoot went down in Abilene, TX. Not exactly a bastion of liberalism. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drakich:
Originally Posted By texasbagman:
Originally Posted By 40xb: Can you expound on this please? Why would they be going to prison if they didn't break a law and got convicted on it? Keep in mind I am not saying they did break any specific TX law. I am just wondering how they are gonna be put in prison if they didn't break a law. Just look at the comments in this thread. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:32:50 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waterglass:
What are the orange shirt guy scenes from? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waterglass:
Originally Posted By Doom85:
http://i.4cdn.org/k/1537535615840m.jpg |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:35:06 PM EDT
[#3]
Can someone please post the Howard themed Kapernick/Nike "sacrifice everything" meme?
I don't do the book of faces. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:36:06 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pcsutton:
Just to save the verbiage from his facebook post incase it's taken down: So this afternoon Right as I wake up and before My medications I am checking On house Walk into the kids Room And see a Person In front Of the kids window..So me I go outside find out its the mailman and tell Him for the last time stay away from the kids windows We have asked you multiple times not to walk between cars an windows because You might get shot .......Being as How we have 2 girls that are children not to mention a little boy ..I believe its in my right to Protect these children from Perverts an Pieces of shit in this world. I also live down the street from a place where thefts murders an assaults have happened in the past. He told me because I wouldnt let him walk that way that he would not deliver the mail and would just send it back I tried calling the usps before walking down to make sure to get him On recording refusing to give me my mail he refused to say anything. so I called him a Bitch an a coward for not repeating what he said and I went Home....15 min later My home was swarmed with Police banging on my door Scaring Emegail so I had Kara leave with Emegail because my medications had not kicked in and I was getting overly anxious with the police.Tried calling Grandma only to realize well shes out of town. I asked if they had warrants they said they didnt need one as they continued to bang on my door profusely an hide away from my sight which I called them on multiple times. I told them I have a mental issue they needed to leave I did not want to talk to them and they insisted on causing me emotional and mental strain along with the physical strain of my heart not being able to slow down over an over.I told them you can call my caseworker I have the files verified of my disorder all you have to do is leave my property because you do not have a warrant I walked thru them and left MY OWN HOME because I did not feel Safe. I left long enough to allow my meds to kick in and calm me down before coming back discovering they were still there SO I showed them the video of exactly what I said when I walked down the street to him.. They are now reporting that I made a terroristic threat when I told the mailman to stay away from the girls windows because he might get shot..I also have had Adult Protective Services called stating that I am not in my right mind 3 hours after all transpired I told them I am fine and asked why they were calling they said because Abilene Police Department called saying I was a danger to myself.. Not anyone else to myself.. I am so sick of the harassment everytime APD shows up to my door ...I DO NOT HAVE TO ANSWER MY DOOR I DO NOT HAVE TO TALK TO YOU IF YOU DONT HAVE A WARRANT GET THE FUCK OFF MY PROPERTY .....then louder then louder then louder till I HAVE no hold back. They stand there laughing as I have a breakdown they refuse to leave stating they dont have to have a warrant..I need a Lawyer I have the videos Im tired so tired of them not allowing me to calm down...I told them I would talk to a detective after the report was made...and still they woiuld not leave...I am tired of losing my mind to stressful situations So I went and got medicine for it only for APD not to allow me to stop an take to walk away from situations they refuse everytimeI got arrested a year or so going thru withdrawals from my meds telling the officer I needed them only for him to refuse an charge me with a disorederly conduct which I cannot control without my meds.. I admit it I take my meds I do whats right only to have APD numerous times keep me in mental Strain.. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:37:05 PM EDT
[#5]
Contrary to popular belief, we do have laws here in Texas......those two idiots are just too dumb to realize that they were the actual perpetrators, and they were not defending themselves as they erroneously believed.
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:39:01 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
being told to put trash back in the can sure sounds like a reason to draw down Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By Pike:
According to the UK Daily Mail, Orange shirt was the one bossing the Elder Pear around trying to force him to put the mattress BACK in the trashcan [which is against published Abilene solid waste rules] and that is when the elder pear first pulled his pistol. "Howard [orange] then told Miller to put the mattress back into the dumpster. Miller [Elder Pear] refused, then added some foul language. 'That's when John (Miller) pulled a pistol out of his shorts,' she [deceased's fiance] said." UK Daily Mail 
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:39:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Aimless]
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pike:
I don't buy for a second that you have to speak like a choirboy or you lose your right to self-defense. The Millers were both physically calm (watch it muted) and orange was gesticulating like the madman he was. It started with Orange trying to force Miller to put Orange's prohibited item back into a shared trashcan in which it plainly does not fit nor does it belong (both can and "mattress" are in frame simultaneously in the video). In Smith v. State, the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals held that the jury could have found beyond a reasonable doubt (1) that the defendant's continued argument with the victim and his unwillingness to stop after the victim warned him met the requirement of provocation in fact; (2) that the defendant's continued argument with the victim, even after the victim displayed his knife, was reasonably calculated to provoke the attack; and (3) that the evidence showing the defendant knew his continued argument would provoke the victim, other evidence showing deeper animosity between the defendant and the victim, and the fact that the defendant stabbed the victim twice meant that the defendant intended to provoke the victim. Rines v. State, No. 06-06-00041-CR (Tex. App. 9/7/2006) Fatso dad challenged dead guy to take a swing at him numerous times, fatso son called him a dickwad (or somthing) and made a jerk off motion at the dead guy, they continued to argue with him after he said for someome to bring him a bat, there was apparently prior problems between them and they shot at him numerous times <----------not a Texas lawyer [shrug] |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:39:29 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 40xb:
You know the more I think about this situation the more I think the Father and Son wanted to either "get it on" or were to damn stupid to understand what position they were in. I understand SYG and all that. Even though it is legal to stand where you are at and defend yourself that doesn't mean it is the smarter thing to do. Had they just backed up and covered each other until they got back to their home and called the police for the raving lunatic outside they wouldn't be in jail for murder charges. Both parties seemed to be in mutual combat mode, they were both instigating and taunting, one party just happened to bring a stick to a gun fight because he himself was a moron as well. With that said, calling the cops on crazy neighbors is a joke. It does zero to resolve the issue unless there is enough to put them away for a long time. That kind of thinking got my sister’s car firebombed in her yard just a few weeks ago. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:40:39 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pike:
Do you think the Millers were aware of the orange powderkeg's "interaction" with the "pervert" mailman and subsequently with the local PD? Ordinarily, when there's a lunatic in the neighborhood...the neighbors make it common knowledge. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:40:55 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slick556:
Mailman? Bulk trash collection? Road Captain? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slick556:
Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
Sadly I deal with them due to my employment.  |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:42:17 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT:
They all have better hours, benefits, and retirement. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:42:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
Hit him after he fired the gun. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:42:33 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT:
They all have better hours, benefits, and retirement. 
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:42:44 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
rofl, come on now, the original HS pistols that were dirt cheap don't count, you need a genuine XD. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:45:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Pike]
[#15]
I can't believe how many people think Orange was calm and collected in the earlier encounter when Miller Sr. was alone, when Orange was a raving lunatic with the mailman, with the cops, in every bit of the video, and in multiple other incidents with the cops that Orange referenced in his own Facebook screed.
It is like it is actually "MADE UP" that Orange had a documented disorder called IED! Yet some think he was not someone who would put a normal person in fear? A flippin mailman called the cops on that nut after simply trying to deliver mail to his house. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:45:38 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eight_Ring:
After reading the account of this guy threatening to kill the postman for walking past his window, I've come to a different interpretation of their actions. It seems to me that they were just trying to live their lives with a degree of normalcy, without constantly jumping through the hoops set by the insane asshole next door, who seems to enjoy threatening to kill people on a whim. It is almost akin to finding yourself living next to a gang, and letting them dictate the terms and conditions of your life. They must have heard about what happened with the post man, and figured they needed to set some limits, and to not get cowed by his bluster. Now this was the WRONG strategy--they should have just called the cops and let them sort it out (and I can understand why orange shirt guy didn't call the cops--he was on their shit list already). They should have disengaged from his monkey-dance and called the cops, and kept doing that as these confrontations kept continuing to arise (while continuing to carry for their personal protection) and sooner or later the situation would have resolved itself. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:45:40 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
Me too, but at least they have their shirts on This was a great example of a bunch of bad judgment dimwits going at it. The world is full of people who either don't care or are too stupid to avoid ruining their lives over stupidity. Anyone who wants to have it out with them and either get deaded (or usually just beat up) or get arrested for free trip through the criminal justice system, well if you're going to be dumb, you better be tough. Please make sure it's all recorded and posted on youtube for everyone else's later amusement.
Even in cases where I got a not guilty I've never sat next to anyone who was thinking "if I had a second chance I'd do it again!" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
Sadly I deal with them due to my employment. This was a great example of a bunch of bad judgment dimwits going at it. The world is full of people who either don't care or are too stupid to avoid ruining their lives over stupidity. Anyone who wants to have it out with them and either get deaded (or usually just beat up) or get arrested for free trip through the criminal justice system, well if you're going to be dumb, you better be tough. Please make sure it's all recorded and posted on youtube for everyone else's later amusement.
Even in cases where I got a not guilty I've never sat next to anyone who was thinking "if I had a second chance I'd do it again!" |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:45:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights:
Ahh doubt it! Fat dad showed a lot of restraint. He gave the bad guy 3 feet. That’s 400% more than the cops woulda gave him. I hope they walk. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:46:48 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
No AC? I thought Tennessee was too hot. I have never been to Texas and cringe at the thought of spending everyday broiling like a Thanksgiving turkey. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By BigFatDog: Also, why do they hate shirts? Do they sit around like that, or do they just peel them off when they are looking for a fight? |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:47:40 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By frayedknot: Cops don’t/can’t sort it out. Sure, they may defuse the immediate situation...but they’ve done nothing but add more fuel to the fire that will come later. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:48:37 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 40xb:
The only time I do not carry is essentially when I am sleeping. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 40xb:
Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
I pocket carry a LCP around the house, when doing yard work, cleaning the garage, and yes, when taking out the trash. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:50:55 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT:
Yup, and then i keep the AR by the bedside. Oh, showering too. No guns. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:51:28 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Doom85:
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:52:20 PM EDT
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The ole boys will likely get off because he was capt crazy with multiple police reports and visits. The shoot is maybe slightly questionable seeing as they were already armed but capt crazy wouldnt back off brandished a bat made threats etc. End of story dude was nuts and the world is likely not going to miss him.
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:53:04 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Doom85:
Not sure, taken from /k/ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Doom85:
Originally Posted By waterglass:
Originally Posted By Doom85:
http://i.4cdn.org/k/1537535615840m.jpg |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:54:11 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drakich:
A lot of New Jersey types posting in this thread. This shoot went down in Abilene, TX. Not exactly a bastion of liberalism. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drakich:
Originally Posted By texasbagman:
Originally Posted By 40xb: Can you expound on this please? Why would they be going to prison if they didn't break a law and got convicted on it? Keep in mind I am not saying they did break any specific TX law. I am just wondering how they are gonna be put in prison if they didn't break a law. Just look at the comments in this thread. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:54:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lilMAC25]
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By davidb1982:
Just watched it on Facebook. Fucked up all around. They were both looking to shoot the guy and the other guy kept threatening. When assholes collide. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:55:00 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By toastandjam:
Link? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By toastandjam:
Originally Posted By Bounce19712:
The AKFiles thread is better on this. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:56:07 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slick556:
You don't have a bathroom gun? I've got a kitchen, bathroom, bedroom and 2 living room guns. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slick556:
Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
Yup, and then i keep the AR by the bedside. Oh, showering too. No guns. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:58:00 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
being told to put trash back in the can sure sounds like a reason to draw down Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By Pike:
According to the UK Daily Mail, Orange shirt was the one bossing the Elder Pear around trying to force him to put the mattress BACK in the trashcan [which is against published Abilene solid waste rules] and that is when the elder pear first pulled his pistol. "Howard [orange] then told Miller to put the mattress back into the dumpster. Miller [Elder Pear] refused, then added some foul language. 'That's when John (Miller) pulled a pistol out of his shorts,' she [deceased's fiance] said." UK Daily Mail There's the "excuse me fine sir, but could you please return the mattress to the garbage receptacle" approach, and then there is the behavior we saw on film which was Howard being irrationally aggressive and threatening to kill people. I'm guessing Howard's approach to telling Miller to put the bed back in the trash was closer to the latte than the former. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 1:00:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 40xb]
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By frayedknot:
I can’t help but wonder that it’s the whole “if I show them my gun they will run away in fear” and when the orange shirt guy didn’t run away, they had no plan b. With that said, calling the cops on crazy neighbors is a joke. It does zero to resolve the issue unless there is enough to put them away for a long time. That kind of thinking got my sister’s car firebombed in her yard just a few weeks ago. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By frayedknot:
Originally Posted By 40xb:
You know the more I think about this situation the more I think the Father and Son wanted to either "get it on" or were to damn stupid to understand what position they were in. I understand SYG and all that. Even though it is legal to stand where you are at and defend yourself that doesn't mean it is the smarter thing to do. Had they just backed up and covered each other until they got back to their home and called the police for the raving lunatic outside they wouldn't be in jail for murder charges. Both parties seemed to be in mutual combat mode, they were both instigating and taunting, one party just happened to bring a stick to a gun fight because he himself was a moron as well. With that said, calling the cops on crazy neighbors is a joke. It does zero to resolve the issue unless there is enough to put them away for a long time. That kind of thinking got my sister’s car firebombed in her yard just a few weeks ago. I'm not going to stand in the street and taunt the guy with a gun in my hand while someone records it. I am going to try to de-escalate, move to a place with a better defensive advantage, and wait for police to get there so I can file charges against the guy. Again YMMV. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 1:02:15 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT:
Come to Tallahassee! 98F, 99% Humidity, No Breeze! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT:
Originally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By BigFatDog: Also, why do they hate shirts? Do they sit around like that, or do they just peel them off when they are looking for a fight?
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Posted: 9/21/2018 1:02:57 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT:
Yup, and then i keep the AR by the bedside. Oh, showering too. No guns. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT:
Originally Posted By 40xb:
Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
I pocket carry a LCP around the house, when doing yard work, cleaning the garage, and yes, when taking out the trash. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 1:06:15 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pcsutton:
I guess I missed the father provoking the guy...unless one considers taking the mattress out of the dumpster to be provocation. About all I heard him say was "I doubt it" in response the the lunatic's threats that he was gonna kill him. The son's words and actions might be considered to be provocation but realistically they were in response to the lunatics tantrum. It will be interesting to see how this plays out...if it makes it to court. That, I have my doubts about. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pcsutton:
Originally Posted By Aimless:
The statute says you can't claim stand your ground if the victim was provoked. It's not conditioned on the victim's past behavior or anger issues. (I only read the statute and haven't looked at the case law). The son's words and actions might be considered to be provocation but realistically they were in response to the lunatics tantrum. It will be interesting to see how this plays out...if it makes it to court. That, I have my doubts about. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 1:08:14 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drakich: You are taking the wife's statement as a fact. There's the "excuse me fine sir, but could you please return the mattress to the garbage receptacle" approach, and then there is the behavior we saw on film which was Howard being irrationally aggressive and threatening to kill people. I'm guessing Howard's approach to telling Miller to put the bed back in the trash was closer to the latte than the former. "Whatever dude" go back in house or "Whatever I'll call the cops" but [points gun]"Bring it on, I'll shoot you if you come within three feet of me"? That's a couple of dudes way on the wrong end of the bell curve |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 1:11:01 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRShooter:
I couldn't convict based on what I saw there. Some part of that man wanted to die. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 1:11:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slick556: You don't have a bathroom gun? I've got a kitchen, bathroom, bedroom and 2 living room guns. I have no dumpster 
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Posted: 9/21/2018 1:12:15 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT:
No bathroom gun. 
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Posted: 9/21/2018 1:12:31 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
"Grr you mother fucker I'll skull fuck you if you touch that mattress again grrr" "Whatever dude" go back in house or "Whatever I'll call the cops" but [points gun]"Bring it on, I'll shoot you if you come within three feet of me"? That's a couple of dudes way on the wrong end of the bell curve Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By Drakich: You are taking the wife's statement as a fact. There's the "excuse me fine sir, but could you please return the mattress to the garbage receptacle" approach, and then there is the behavior we saw on film which was Howard being irrationally aggressive and threatening to kill people. I'm guessing Howard's approach to telling Miller to put the bed back in the trash was closer to the latte than the former. "Whatever dude" go back in house or "Whatever I'll call the cops" but [points gun]"Bring it on, I'll shoot you if you come within three feet of me"? That's a couple of dudes way on the wrong end of the bell curve |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 1:13:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BabyGlock_27:
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Originally Posted By Jodquist:
Gunned down by two sweaty shirtless fat guys by a dumpster. Entrance to Valhalla denied 
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Posted: 9/21/2018 1:13:25 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KingRollo:
Dumpster gun? I have no dumpster |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 1:14:45 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By deplorable17teener:
I highly doubt Mr. orange shirt canoe head would have let them just walk away, there is a good chance it would have emboldened him to step up on his threats. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By deplorable17teener:
Originally Posted By ske714: You can't see a clear exit? What's wrong with just walking away? |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 1:17:07 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slick556:
I'd imagine that the guy with a long record of uncontrolled anger and violence making 8 threats to kill someone in 2 minutes, then grabbing a baseball bat would be a mitigating factor in any trial. I'm surprised the guy in the orange shirt made it as long as he did. Sounds like a real POS and the more we find out, the more it looks like the other two should walk. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 1:19:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kiran04:
The two guys with guns may have been total and utter morons, but they weren't the ones who escalated the situation. The guns were out already. Everyone knew the score, but captain A-hole in the bright orange shirt just couldn't control himself. The other guy repeated, "Back off" over and over again, even while captain A-hole threatened to kill him multiple times. It wasn't until captain A-hole went for a weapon of his own and came at the gunmen that he got turned into swiss cheese. What a stupid, stupid, stupid move. That was more like suicide by red neck. And his dumbass wife. "You're not gonna kill my husband." Uhm... yeah... |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 1:25:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
"Grr you mother fucker I'll skull fuck you if you touch that mattress again grrr" "Whatever dude" go back in house or "Whatever I'll call the cops" but [points gun]"Bring it on, I'll shoot you if you come within three feet of me"? That's a couple of dudes way on the wrong end of the bell curve But can it be really be called wrong in a nation founded on the concept of standing your ground? 
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Posted: 9/21/2018 1:26:59 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
No AC? I thought Tennessee was too hot. I have never been to Texas and cringe at the thought of spending everyday broiling like a Thanksgiving turkey. You snowbirds woudnt last very long down here
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Posted: 9/21/2018 1:27:28 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 40xb:
I would rather deal with insurance and getting a new car that dealing with court and a long prison sentence. YMMV I'm not going to stand in the street and taunt the guy with a gun in my hand while someone records it. I am going to try to de-escalate, move to a place with a better defensive advantage, and wait for police to get there so I can file charges against the guy. Again YMMV. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 1:28:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryLololololol
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Posted: 9/21/2018 1:35:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreyHat:
It was legally inadvisable...and possibly uncivilized, by white collar suburbanite standards. Modernist victim morality prefers outsourcing norm enforcement to minimize skin in the game wherever possible. But can it be really be called wrong in a nation founded on the concept of standing your ground? https://i.postimg.cc/Kvbq6FYP/1537543863078.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreyHat:
Originally Posted By Aimless:
"Grr you mother fucker I'll skull fuck you if you touch that mattress again grrr" "Whatever dude" go back in house or "Whatever I'll call the cops" but [points gun]"Bring it on, I'll shoot you if you come within three feet of me"? That's a couple of dudes way on the wrong end of the bell curve But can it be really be called wrong in a nation founded on the concept of standing your ground? https://i.postimg.cc/Kvbq6FYP/1537543863078.jpg |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 1:36:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Trueweltall]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grey50beast:
Can anyone lookup Aaron Howard's criminal history? With the temper and judgement displayed and lack of owning a gun I'd be surprised if he wasn't already a felon.  Guy was a fucking nut. 
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