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Posted: 3/10/2020 9:26:52 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/10/2020 9:27:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure the retailers were absolutely thrilled to hear that. What's the dealer profit on a $20K econo-truck - Maybe about one-twentieth of what it is for a King Ranch F150? |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 9:32:18 AM EDT
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I'm sure the retailers were absolutely thrilled to hear that. What's the dealer profit on a $20K econo-truck - Maybe about one-twentieth of what it is for a King Ranch F150? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Ford has indicated to retailers the vehicle will be priced under $20,000 What's the dealer profit on a $20K econo-truck - Maybe about one-twentieth of what it is for a King Ranch F150? |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 9:32:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure the retailers were absolutely thrilled to hear that. What's the dealer profit on a $20K econo-truck - Maybe about one-twentieth of what it is for a King Ranch F150? These 'trucks' will have a similar margin and dealers will loathe the idea of keeping them in stock. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 9:37:04 AM EDT
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I don't care what dealers think
I am interested in a no frills "truck" like this |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 9:40:30 AM EDT
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I don't care what dealers think I am interested in a no frills "truck" like this |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 9:41:18 AM EDT
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I could use a $20k small pickup. Then again, I could use a $20k small van, which is available but I have not purchased one.
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Posted: 3/10/2020 9:45:09 AM EDT
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A true SMALL truck aka S10/ranger/gen1 tacoma is exactly what I've been asking for. Sometimes you don't need a brodozer with a unreachably high bed to haul a couple tools or bags of compost. However I'm not too optimistic that Ford won't fuck it up. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 9:51:42 AM EDT
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Looks like it will be on a Focus body frame.
 SPIED: 2021 Ford Courier, New Compact Pickup |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 9:52:49 AM EDT
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It will appeal to people who think the Honda Ridgeline is too much truck. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 9:56:08 AM EDT
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There is around $400 profit in a Chevy Spark at full price. These 'trucks' will have a similar margin and dealers will loathe the idea of keeping them in stock. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 9:56:23 AM EDT
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You can buy an F-150 for 20k....new. 18k brand new... https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/789626349/overview/ But according to GD it has to many options and they wont buy it. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 10:00:19 AM EDT
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Yep. Oh you want the plow prep package.......yea the XL package is the only way that comes. Seriously,.....a business looking for a fleet style utility truck doesn’t need the XL trim package. Just forcing the price up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It is possible to make an economical and lighter truck if dealers quit pushing the ton of unnecessary shit that buyers later believe they absolutely need. So yeah, their base truck will be $19,995. By the time you add all the shit you "need", $33,876. They do sell regular cab, no frills 2WD. The fleet trucks for the company I work for are all either XL or XLT F150s or F250s and I don't exactly see what could be the issue unless you count the power windows, a backup camera, and Bluetooth radio as "luxury" items even though they don't amount to shit cost wise. It isn't 1985 anymore bud, 12v DC motors, momentary 3 position switchs, and wiring doesn't cost more than the hardware to have crank windows and the different door panels to accommodate the parts. Adding Bluetooth to a radio is stupid cheap aswell so I cannot see where cutting that going to save you any realistic amount of money plus it allows for handsfree driving which is only a plus for cutting down on dudes fucking with their phones. And backup cameras? If you're providing trucks for a fleet insurance is a massive cost to eat and cutting down on dudes backing into stationary objects is worth the piddly expense of a backup camera. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 10:10:06 AM EDT
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Isuzu=luv
Saw a luv diesel last week, it was minty Courier =Mazda? I had a 74 courier for a short time back in the early 1980s. Quote HistoryQuoted: How about some Chevy luv? https://i.pinimg.com/originals/66/dc/fe/66dcfe0645688264495d0b27b2059380.jpg |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 10:12:15 AM EDT
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It will fill the void left by the Mahindra truck debacle. There is a market for a basic vehicle if they can get some kind of exemption for all the NHTSA mandates like TPMS etc. Put a small diesel in it and they will sell even more. Even if it's a unibody. a small diesel powered truck is a cool idea but the reality of what it would cost make it unlikely that you will see such a truck and if it does come to market it aint gonna cost 20k. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 10:13:15 AM EDT
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Make it aluminum framed and aluminum bodied and it'll get 35mpg+; i know lots of older guys whose old rangers and S10s have rusted out and just need a pickup for hauling mulch, flowers, and garden veggies from home depot - they'll buy one.
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Posted: 3/10/2020 10:13:15 AM EDT
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You lost me at Made in Mexico. Sounded promising though.
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Posted: 3/10/2020 10:14:03 AM EDT
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What exactly is fancy about the base XL trim package that you could cut for cost? Or do you think an XL isn't the absolute bottom tier? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It is possible to make an economical and lighter truck if dealers quit pushing the ton of unnecessary shit that buyers later believe they absolutely need. So yeah, their base truck will be $19,995. By the time you add all the shit you "need", $33,876. They do sell regular cab, no frills 2WD. 
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Posted: 3/10/2020 10:16:03 AM EDT
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A true SMALL truck aka S10/ranger/gen1 tacoma is exactly what I've been asking for. Sometimes you don't need a brodozer with a unreachably high bed to haul a couple tools or bags of compost. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 10:17:00 AM EDT
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I’d be interested in that fleet F-150 posted above, except:
- it’s fucking enormous - it’s not 4WD I’m one of the GDers that would love to have vehicles without all the options so many seem to enjoy these days. But every time I try to look for an inexpensive truck it ends up being almost $30k because of the ‘package’ that has 4WD. I want a basic truck but don’t want 2WD. For the record, I have a 2010 Nissan Versa ‘base’ sedan I still drive. It’s got a manual trans, no A/C, crank windows, no radio.... I drive 13 miles to work 3 days a week. It’s fine except when it snows. Not sure why people get so militant that “no one will buy it!” I’d rather have a new 4WD ‘work truck’ than a King Ranch w/ 100,000 miles. And not everyone wants/needs to tow stuff. I’m 50 fucking years old and have never needed to. I don’t have nor ever will have a boat or ‘personal watercraft’ so a Chevy Luv-sized truck would be fine. It just needs to be 4WD. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 10:17:19 AM EDT
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Ford and Chevy will have to merge soon to survive the coming decade. Jap brands and electric will dominate as millennials/ Gen Z become the base. Dodge will die when the last Gen Xers hit 60. It's all over but the crying for Gear Heads ?? That's why I bought mine two years ago at 44. It's been a great two years though.
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Posted: 3/10/2020 10:17:59 AM EDT
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I'm sure the retailers were absolutely thrilled to hear that. What's the dealer profit on a $20K econo-truck - Maybe about one-twentieth of what it is for a King Ranch F150? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Ford has indicated to retailers the vehicle will be priced under $20,000 What's the dealer profit on a $20K econo-truck - Maybe about one-twentieth of what it is for a King Ranch F150? Would you rather get 2% profit of $20k or 0% profit of $70k? |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 10:19:23 AM EDT
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not gonna happen, at least not cheaply. jeep just came out with a diesel motor for the wrangler (us release, not the smaller rest-of-the-world-diesel) and i have been reading post on one of the wrangler sites. diesels now come with urea based systems that 'burn' off particles. there is some sort of screen that can get clogged and supposedly these systems are prone to failure or causing issues and have limited warranties. and the cost of dealing with diesel motor and epa required systems can be an expensive nightmare. a small diesel powered truck is a cool idea but the reality of what it would cost make it unlikely that you will see such a truck and if it does come to market it aint gonna cost 20k. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It will fill the void left by the Mahindra truck debacle. There is a market for a basic vehicle if they can get some kind of exemption for all the NHTSA mandates like TPMS etc. Put a small diesel in it and they will sell even more. Even if it's a unibody. a small diesel powered truck is a cool idea but the reality of what it would cost make it unlikely that you will see such a truck and if it does come to market it aint gonna cost 20k. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 10:20:22 AM EDT
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GD will be mad that it its roll up windows dont have vents or something....the 20k mini truck isnt what people want. They want a comfortable capable daily driver, that can run errands, haul the boat, with the family, get shit from lowes, go to the hunting camp....all with leather and a moonroof, with 400hp that gets 20mpg. Give me beater no frills Hilux/Mitsu B2000 size P/U any day. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 10:20:54 AM EDT
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This isn't the rebirth of the iconic 70s-80s mini truck.
It is a "truck" that was based on a tiny van that is based on a unibody FWD car. Glad I have this.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 10:21:46 AM EDT
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There is around $400 profit in a Chevy Spark at full price. These 'trucks' will have a similar margin and dealers will loathe the idea of keeping them in stock. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 10:22:45 AM EDT
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I’d be interested in that fleet F-150 posted above, except: - it’s fucking enormous - it’s not 4WD I’m one of the GDers that would love to have vehicles without all the options so many seem to enjoy these days. But every time I try to look for an inexpensive truck it ends up being almost $30k because of the ‘package’ that has 4WD. I want a basic truck but don’t want 2WD. For the record, I have a 2010 Nissan Versa ‘base’ sedan I still drive. It’s got a manual trans, no A/C, crank windows, no radio.... I drive 13 miles to work 3 days a week. It’s fine. Not sure why people get so militant that “no one will buy it!” I’d rather have a new 4WD ‘work truck’ than a King Ranch w/ 100,000 miles. And not everyone wants/needs to tow stuff. I’m 50 fucking years old and have never needed to. I don’t have nor ever will have a boat or ‘personal watercraft’ so a Chevy Luv-sized truck would be fine. It just needs to be 4WD. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 10:23:50 AM EDT
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I'm patiently waiting for a Ranger Raptor with a 5.0.
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Posted: 3/10/2020 10:31:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/10/2020 10:54:57 AM EDT
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You can buy an F-150 for 20k....new. 18k brand new... https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/789626349/overview/ But according to GD it has to many options and they wont buy it. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:02:04 AM EDT
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Yeah dudes it's going to be a car-based design like a Subaru Brat and I don't know why any of you expect anything different.
Target market is going to be city/suburb dwellers who just need an economic vehicle with a bed. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:09:31 AM EDT
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My 87 Ranger was the perfect vehicle, slap the little Eco boost in one of those and it would get 35mpg and be fast as hell. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:10:21 AM EDT
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I'm patiently waiting for a Ranger Raptor with a 5.0. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:19:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure the retailers were absolutely thrilled to hear that. What's the dealer profit on a $20K econo-truck - Maybe about one-twentieth of what it is for a King Ranch F150? |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:26:23 AM EDT
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if it's a legit 1/4 ton pickup and doesn't look too ghey I think I'm very interested in one for a daily driver. (save the miles and fuel w/ my 3/4 ton)
Fuckin regular cab, manual trans. for less than $20k? yep |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:34:12 AM EDT
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I’d be interested in that fleet F-150 posted above, except: - it’s fucking enormous - it’s not 4WD I’m one of the GDers that would love to have vehicles without all the options so many seem to enjoy these days. But every time I try to look for an inexpensive truck it ends up being almost $30k because of the ‘package’ that has 4WD. I want a basic truck but don’t want 2WD. For the record, I have a 2010 Nissan Versa ‘base’ sedan I still drive. It’s got a manual trans, no A/C, crank windows, no radio.... I drive 13 miles to work 3 days a week. It’s fine except when it snows. Not sure why people get so militant that “no one will buy it!” I’d rather have a new 4WD ‘work truck’ than a King Ranch w/ 100,000 miles. And not everyone wants/needs to tow stuff. I’m 50 fucking years old and have never needed to. I don’t have nor ever will have a boat or ‘personal watercraft’ so a Chevy Luv-sized truck would be fine. It just needs to be 4WD. https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/792980714/overview/ |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:39:03 AM EDT
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Cool, about time
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:41:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure it will not be body on frame rear wheel drive. 
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:42:31 AM EDT
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I’d be interested in that fleet F-150 posted above, except: - it’s fucking enormous - it’s not 4WD I’m one of the GDers that would love to have vehicles without all the options so many seem to enjoy these days. But every time I try to look for an inexpensive truck it ends up being almost $30k because of the ‘package’ that has 4WD. I want a basic truck but don’t want 2WD. For the record, I have a 2010 Nissan Versa ‘base’ sedan I still drive. It’s got a manual trans, no A/C, crank windows, no radio.... I drive 13 miles to work 3 days a week. It’s fine except when it snows. Not sure why people get so militant that “no one will buy it!” I’d rather have a new 4WD ‘work truck’ than a King Ranch w/ 100,000 miles. And not everyone wants/needs to tow stuff. I’m 50 fucking years old and have never needed to. I don’t have nor ever will have a boat or ‘personal watercraft’ so a Chevy Luv-sized truck would be fine. It just needs to be 4WD. https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/792980714/overview/ |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:43:05 AM EDT
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...and everyone will complain about how small it is... |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:46:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: MSRP $35,290 When a $20,000 truck gets stale on the lot like that, and it gets a 1/3 discount, it should be about $13,000. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:47:45 AM EDT
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A true SMALL truck aka S10/ranger/gen1 tacoma is exactly what I've been asking for. Sometimes you don't need a brodozer with a unreachably high bed to haul a couple tools or bags of compost. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:48:52 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:50:17 AM EDT
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Sounds like it'll be the Ford Mini-Ridgeline... A.K.A. wrong wheel drive and unibody, based on the Focus platform... so not a truck at all. It'll be an econoshitbox with a bed.
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:54:47 AM EDT
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There is a market for a basic vehicle if they can get some kind of exemption for all the NHTSA mandates like TPMS etc. The Government give an exemption to anyone but themselves?  Put a small diesel in it and they will sell even more. Even if it's a unibody.  The government hates diesels because they work. Never gonna happen, and even if it did, it would be a $10k upcharge and have emissions bullshit the breaks all the time while getting shit mileage |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:57:17 AM EDT
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Ford should sell them online and bypass the dealer. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:57:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted:
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I’d be interested in that fleet F-150 posted above, except: - it’s fucking enormous - it’s not 4WD I’m one of the GDers that would love to have vehicles without all the options so many seem to enjoy these days. But every time I try to look for an inexpensive truck it ends up being almost $30k because of the ‘package’ that has 4WD. I want a basic truck but don’t want 2WD. For the record, I have a 2010 Nissan Versa ‘base’ sedan I still drive. It’s got a manual trans, no A/C, crank windows, no radio.... I drive 13 miles to work 3 days a week. It’s fine except when it snows. Not sure why people get so militant that “no one will buy it!” I’d rather have a new 4WD ‘work truck’ than a King Ranch w/ 100,000 miles. And not everyone wants/needs to tow stuff. I’m 50 fucking years old and have never needed to. I don’t have nor ever will have a boat or ‘personal watercraft’ so a Chevy Luv-sized truck would be fine. It just needs to be 4WD. https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/792980714/overview/ |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:58:30 AM EDT
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You can buy an F-150 for 20k....new. 18k brand new... https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/789626349/overview/ 22k 4wd https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/792980714/overview/ But according to GD it has to many options and they wont buy it. 
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:59:13 AM EDT
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Sounds like it'll be the Ford Mini-Ridgeline... A.K.A. wrong wheel drive and unibody, based on the Focus platform... so not a truck at all. It'll be an econoshitbox with a bed. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 12:02:37 PM EDT
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Still too big. If it was a 3/4T long box quad cab with HD Suspension on factory 35s yeah that's a big truck. |
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