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Posted: 5/8/2019 11:11:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fucking shut the fuck up. It was a fucking director's desire for a cool shot. Stop getting so triggered. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 11:12:21 AM EDT
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Fucking shut the fuck up. It was a fucking director's desire for a cool shot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Fucking shut the fuck up. It was a fucking director's desire for a cool shot. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 11:13:49 AM EDT
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Fucking shut the fuck up. It was a fucking director's desire for a cool shot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Fucking shut the fuck up. It was a fucking director's desire for a cool shot. Fixt. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 11:15:53 AM EDT
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Do you even WATCH the show? The very first sentence in this clip. 10 seconds in.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i_P4cFP0V4Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My prediction... I believe the Golden Company is really going to turn on Cersi. I think they've already done their deal with Jamie. I don't recall what happened with that caravan of gold after the dragons torched everyone but I bet someone got it (Not Cersi), paid the Golden Company to do a rope-a-dope, then we will see elephants that they said couldn't make it over the seas. The Golden Company, along with the remainder of the northern army, will defeat Cersi's army and take KL. Grew Worm and the hound will get into it with the Mountain and Grey Worm will kill him after the Hound wounds him. Jon will be somewhere taking damage and getting the shit kicked out of him and Ghost will come out of hiding to save him. Ghost is doing the whole "Homeward Bound" thing right now and making his way to Jon. Arya kills Cersi. Jamie dies in Briennes arms ala Anakin & Luke. End scene The very first sentence in this clip. 10 seconds in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i_P4cFP0V4 |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 11:16:49 AM EDT
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Fucking shut the fuck up. It was a fucking director's desire for a cool shot. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 11:20:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fucking shut the fuck up. It was a fucking director's desire for a cool shot. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 11:28:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you even WATCH the show? The very first sentence in this clip. 10 seconds in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i_P4cFP0V4I wish a hadn’t watched that clip again. Dany [Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men, Protector of the Realm, Queen of Meereen, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, Mother of Dragons, The Unburnt, Breaker of Chains, Lady of Dragonstone] is dumbest individual on the show. Having just sailed an army of 100+ thousand across the narrow sea she proceeds to destroy all the supplies her army would be need of. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 11:31:07 AM EDT
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My prediction... I believe the Golden Company is really going to turn on Cersi. I think they've already done their deal with Jamie. I don't recall what happened with that caravan of gold after the dragons torched everyone but I bet someone got it (Not Cersi), paid the Golden Company to do a rope-a-dope, then we will see elephants that they said couldn't make it over the seas. The Golden Company, along with the remainder of the northern army, will defeat Cersi's army and take KL. Grew Worm and the hound will get into it with the Mountain and Grey Worm will kill him after the Hound wounds him. Jon will be somewhere taking damage and getting the shit kicked out of him and Ghost will come out of hiding to save him. Ghost is doing the whole "Homeward Bound" thing right now and making his way to Jon. Arya kills Cersi. Jamie dies in Briennes arms ala Anakin & Luke. End scene The very first sentence in this clip. 10 seconds in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i_P4cFP0V4
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Posted: 5/8/2019 11:33:59 AM EDT
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But what did that really mean? I’m supposed to believe that the gold was through the gates just because someone said so? They also said it would be safe in the crypts..... I wish a hadn’t watched that clip again. Dany [Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men, Protector of the Realm, Queen of Meereen, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, Mother of Dragons, The Unburnt, Breaker of Chains, Lady of Dragonstone] is dumbest individual on the show. Having just sailed an army of 100+ thousand across the narrow sea she proceeds to destroy all the supplies her army would be need of. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Do you even WATCH the show? The very first sentence in this clip. 10 seconds in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i_P4cFP0V4I wish a hadn’t watched that clip again. Dany [Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men, Protector of the Realm, Queen of Meereen, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, Mother of Dragons, The Unburnt, Breaker of Chains, Lady of Dragonstone] is dumbest individual on the show. Having just sailed an army of 100+ thousand across the narrow sea she proceeds to destroy all the supplies her army would be need of. Have you not thought that Drogon burning Lannister armies was a "cool shot" ? Are your expectations not subverted now? Are you not entertained? 
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Posted: 5/8/2019 11:38:56 AM EDT
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My prediction... I believe the Golden Company is really going to turn on Cersi. I think they've already done their deal with Jamie. I don't recall what happened with that caravan of gold after the dragons torched everyone but I bet someone got it (Not Cersi), paid the Golden Company to do a rope-a-dope, then we will see elephants that they said couldn't make it over the seas. The Golden Company, along with the remainder of the northern army, will defeat Cersi's army and take KL. Grew Worm and the hound will get into it with the Mountain and Grey Worm will kill him after the Hound wounds him. Jon will be somewhere taking damage and getting the shit kicked out of him and Ghost will come out of hiding to save him. Ghost is doing the whole "Homeward Bound" thing right now and making his way to Jon. Arya kills Cersi. Jamie dies in Briennes arms ala Anakin & Luke. End scene |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 11:44:51 AM EDT
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Good thing I skipped 25 pages of this thread Fucking spoiler people are the worst. Like that fucktard who ruined Viserion dying Wait, Viserion is dead!?! WTF! |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 11:48:14 AM EDT
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They looked like Friesians to me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The hound's horse is some type of draft horse. Arya's does not look wide enough to be a draft horse. 
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Posted: 5/8/2019 11:53:47 AM EDT
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My prediction... I believe the Golden Company is really going to turn on Cersi. I think they've already done their deal with Jamie. I don't recall what happened with that caravan of gold after the dragons torched everyone but I bet someone got it (Not Cersi), paid the Golden Company to do a rope-a-dope, then we will see elephants that they said couldn't make it over the seas. The Golden Company, along with the remainder of the northern army, will defeat Cersi's army and take KL. Grew Worm and the hound will get into it with the Mountain and Grey Worm will kill him after the Hound wounds him. Jon will be somewhere taking damage and getting the shit kicked out of him and Ghost will come out of hiding to save him. Ghost is doing the whole "Homeward Bound" thing right now and making his way to Jon. Arya kills Cersi. Jamie dies in Briennes arms ala Anakin & Luke. End scene |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 12:09:06 PM EDT
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One positive this season has done better than any other season: Emilia Clarke's acting. It's not up there with the show's heavy hitters or anything, but I think it's a definite improvement. 
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Posted: 5/8/2019 12:16:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the only reason her acting seems better is because she's finally playing a character who is descending into madness. http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/daenerys-office-meme-3.jpg |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 12:54:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was also a “cool shot” to have the Dothraki with flaming swords charge out into the abyss and disappear. Sure it was cool but it doesn’t change the fact that it was fucking retarded. All of the total war experts say in hindsight how if only they were in command the battle would be won before the NK even got there. Flank attacks work when you have disciplined cavalry, which Dothraki are not, and you are able to coordinate your army well. When there are only two people that speak Dothraki and the battle happens at night, coordination is almost impossible. The main purpose of flank attack is psychological so you can break the enemy formation. The dead don't have morale, and they don't have a formation to break. I don't know why people expect brilliant tactics from Jon and Dany. Neither are experienced generals and neither have been trained or studied military tactics. Jamie is probably the only person there with any tactical knowledge. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 1:07:10 PM EDT
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 Dany forgot about the Iron Fleet |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 1:13:31 PM EDT
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Jon is such a horrible leader, no wonder he doesn’t want any responsibility. Tyrion is a horrible strategist, no wonder Dany is about to go all Mad Queen.
The only capable leaders are the ones willingly to be completely ruthless-Cersei, Euron, Qyburn and Sansa. I guess that’s the dirty old mans message though,good guys don’t really win in real life most of the time... |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 1:14:57 PM EDT
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https://www.pcgamer.com/total-war-players-are-baffled-by-the-tactics-used-in-game-of-thrones-battle-of-winterfell/
As a fellow TW player, figured you'd like that. @happycynic |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 1:16:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The charge looks retarded because the Dothraki are retarded. Frontal attack with a cavalry charge is what they do. They have contempt for infantry and just charge them head on. In the books there was the battle of Qohor where faced 3000 unsullied. Their brilliant battle plan was charging them head on. When that failed what did they do? They charged them head on a dozen more times. The only other tactic they had in the books was feigned retreat and that wouldn't have worked against the dead in this battle. GRRM said he based them on the mongols and other steppe warriors, but he has no understanding of military tactics of why they were successful. He just made them ferocious and good at fighting so they just beat everyone. All of the total war experts say in hindsight how if only they were in command the battle would be won before the NK even got there. Flank attacks work when you have disciplined cavalry, which Dothraki are not, and you are able to coordinate your army well. When there are only two people that speak Dothraki and the battle happens at night, coordination is almost impossible. The main purpose of flank attack is psychological so you can break the enemy formation. The dead don't have morale, and they don't have a formation to break. I don't know why people expect brilliant tactics from Jon and Dany. Neither are experienced generals and neither have been trained or studied military tactics. Jamie is probably the only person there with any tactical knowledge. The use of military assets was irrelevant. The story called for there to be no hope for a conventional military win. So even if they had set up the battlefield to everyone's satisfaction, the result would have been the same. Because that's what the writers wanted the story to be. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 1:23:00 PM EDT
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https://www.pcgamer.com/total-war-players-are-baffled-by-the-tactics-used-in-game-of-thrones-battle-of-winterfell/ As a fellow TW player, figured you'd like that. @happycynic  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 1:25:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/8/2019 1:27:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The charge looks retarded because the Dothraki are retarded. Frontal attack with a cavalry charge is what they do. They have contempt for infantry and just charge them head on. In the books there was the battle of Qohor where faced 3000 unsullied. Their brilliant battle plan was charging them head on. When that failed what did they do? They charged them head on a dozen more times. The only other tactic they had in the books was feigned retreat and that wouldn't have worked against the dead in this battle. GRRM said he based them on the mongols and other steppe warriors, but he has no understanding of military tactics of why they were successful. He just made them ferocious and good at fighting so they just beat everyone. All of the total war experts say in hindsight how if only they were in command the battle would be won before the NK even got there. Flank attacks work when you have disciplined cavalry, which Dothraki are not, and you are able to coordinate your army well. When there are only two people that speak Dothraki and the battle happens at night, coordination is almost impossible. The main purpose of flank attack is psychological so you can break the enemy formation. The dead don't have morale, and they don't have a formation to break. I don't know why people expect brilliant tactics from Jon and Dany. Neither are experienced generals and neither have been trained or studied military tactics. Jamie is probably the only person there with any tactical knowledge. John didn’t train or study military tactics? Are you serious? That’s literally all he did his entire life. You look at this group and think Jamie is only person with tactical knowledge? 
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Posted: 5/8/2019 1:29:44 PM EDT
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I don't think many of us defenders defended "subverting expectations" (I didnt). I just said i was okay with it and all you calling her superman were retarded. 
It's easy to see dumb decisions in writing and the show, but I still don't think arya was one of them.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I also think its hilarious how some of the same people defending the episode 3 writing for "subverting expectations" with Arya getting the NK kill are now bitching about the bad writing after Dumb and Dumber did their SJW queen dirty. 
It's easy to see dumb decisions in writing and the show, but I still don't think arya was one of them. 
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Posted: 5/8/2019 1:33:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryForgetting to arm your largest fighting force (the Dothraki) before the battle you’ve traveled thousands of miles and spent months preparing for is the one that got me. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 1:55:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/8/2019 1:55:41 PM EDT
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This would be dumb and dumber's Westeros version of a bear attack...
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Posted: 5/8/2019 1:59:18 PM EDT
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Dumb and dumber can't write for shit
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Posted: 5/8/2019 2:07:08 PM EDT
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Dumb and dumber can't write for shit |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 2:08:23 PM EDT
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I'm not searching the latest pages soooooo was the second gaff of last week's episodes already talked about?
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Posted: 5/8/2019 2:13:10 PM EDT
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I'm not searching the latest pages soooooo was the second gaff of last week's episodes already talked about? |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 2:14:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can try to validate it however you want to but it was only done because it was a “cool shot”. John didn’t train or study military tactics? Are you serious? That’s literally all he did his entire life. You look at this group and think Jamie is only person with tactical knowledge? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/311470/0750ACF4-C7F2-48BB-BA01-BFEDFFD45518-938589.jpg |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 2:19:01 PM EDT
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No, you got the guy from the Aerie, Beric, and Mormont. I will even give Jon Snow some strategic/tactical know-how. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You can try to validate it however you want to but it was only done because it was a “cool shot”. John didn’t train or study military tactics? Are you serious? That’s literally all he did his entire life. You look at this group and think Jamie is only person with tactical knowledge? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/311470/0750ACF4-C7F2-48BB-BA01-BFEDFFD45518-938589.jpg And an experienced cavalry leader... And a respected leader of men from beyond the Wall... |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 2:21:56 PM EDT
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People keep saying that. Did you guys enjoy any of the Game of Thrones series? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dumb and dumber can't write for shit S8 E3 was a big let down. Poor tactics, no depth, no answers, very little resolution with the NK. But other than that, I have really enjoyed the series as a whole. After S8 E4, I'm chomping at the bit to finish it. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 2:24:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do mean by gaff? Are you talking about something you didn't like in the script, or something like the coffee cup? That little gaff is no desert open area leading up to the wall(s) in King's Landing. In fact if you look at the Westeros and city map there is no wall or desert area to the city like that for Cersi and crew to stand on like that. They made up the entire scene somewhere not called King's Landing. So is there a problem or do people have to love or hate the whole thing and nothing in between? |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 2:26:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Flanking maneuvers, and calvary in general, work better against living breathing humans who care about their life, and tend to break and run in fear. The undead don't do that. In my opinion, the flaming swords served three main purposes. The first, as the writers said, is to offer a bit of hope after the utter feeling of darkness and hopelessness leading up to the scene. The second, is it allowed the audience to see the swords going out, in the darkness. Which I believe is a lot less expensive to shoot then an actual on screen portrayal of the calvary being destroyed. Finally, it was important for Daeny to see the flames go out, so she would decide to break from the original plan and fly her dragons, instead of waiting for the Night King to show up. The use of military assets was irrelevant. The story called for there to be no hope for a conventional military win. So even if they had set up the battlefield to everyone's satisfaction, the result would have been the same. Because that's what the writers wanted the story to be. Quote HistoryQuoted: Flanking maneuvers, and calvary in general, work better against living breathing humans who care about their life, and tend to break and run in fear. The undead don't do that. In my opinion, the flaming swords served three main purposes. The first, as the writers said, is to offer a bit of hope after the utter feeling of darkness and hopelessness leading up to the scene. The second, is it allowed the audience to see the swords going out, in the darkness. Which I believe is a lot less expensive to shoot then an actual on screen portrayal of the calvary being destroyed. Finally, it was important for Daeny to see the flames go out, so she would decide to break from the original plan and fly her dragons, instead of waiting for the Night King to show up. The use of military assets was irrelevant. The story called for there to be no hope for a conventional military win. So even if they had set up the battlefield to everyone's satisfaction, the result would have been the same. Because that's what the writers wanted the story to be. Quoted: You can try to validate it however you want to but it was only done because it was a “cool shot”. John didn’t train or study military tactics? Are you serious? That’s literally all he did his entire life. You look at this group and think Jamie is only person with tactical knowledge? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/311470/0750ACF4-C7F2-48BB-BA01-BFEDFFD45518-938589.jpg Jon's only experience in command of an army was Battle of the Bastards, and his army was more like a mob. His plan was lousy and went to shit immediately when he charged like an idiot at the enemy. He was outmaneuvered and decisively beaten until the knights of the Vale saved his ass. Lord Yonce and Davos have military experience but they are minor characters and it doesn't look like they are doing much in battle. Go ahead and make a list of the experience and combined arms commands of the people at the table that you think would be so knowledgeable. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 2:28:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have. S8 E3 was a big let down. Poor tactics, no depth, no answers, very little resolution with the NK. But other than that, I have really enjoyed the series as a whole. After S8 E4, I'm chomping at the bit to finish it. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 2:32:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To answer your other question yes most of us liked GOT when dumb and dumber had GRRM 's specific details for the story and filming. When they had to write it themselves in the last couple seasons is when it turned to shit. That little gaff is no desert open area leading up to the wall(s) in King's Landing. In fact if you look at the Westeros and city map there is no wall or desert area to the city like that for Cersi and crew to stand on like that. They made up the entire scene somewhere not called King's Landing. So is there a problem or do people have to love or hate the whole thing and nothing in between? |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 2:35:48 PM EDT
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No, you got the guy from the Aerie, Beric, and Mormont. I will even give Jon Snow some strategic/tactical know-how. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 2:37:24 PM EDT
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People keep saying that. Did you guys enjoy any of the Game of Thrones series? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dumb and dumber can't write for shit When they were forced to be dependent on their own writing, it started to go downhill. The Dorne sequence, for example, was fucktarded. In an effort to make the (admittedly weak) female characters stronger, they made all the males into incompetent buffoons. Lacking any grasp of period logistics, they have repeatedly had to rely on psychic intuition and unseen instant communication on the part of military folks to put people in the right places, and the lack of tactics (even from experienced tacticians) is laughably bad. This last season seems cobbled together and rushed, relying on plot armor and D&D ex machina in a swirling mass of fail that seems a poor payoff for the viewer at this point. It’s almost as if they knew the desired ending (they did), but had no clue how to get there. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 2:38:14 PM EDT
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I think also the flaming arakhs also made the Dothraki so confident that the jumped the gun. It doesn't look at all like Jorah is ordering or leading the charge. Your last point is important and it can't be emphasized enough that this is a character driven story about the choices they make. It is not whoever has the best army and tactics gets to sit on the Iron throne. There is a difference of commanding an army and its battle tactics and commanding a small force fighting individually. Jon Snow trained to fight and was good at swordplay, but he was never going to be a Lord so why would Ned have him study how to lead armies? In the night's Watch he trained to lead them, but the were defenders of a frontier fortification, not a standing army. Jon's only experience in command of an army was Battle of the Bastards, and his army was more like a mob. His plan was lousy and went to shit immediately when he charged like an idiot at the enemy. He was outmaneuvered and decisively beaten until the knights of the Vale saved his ass. Lord Yonce and Davos have military experience but they are minor characters and it doesn't look like they are doing much in battle. Go ahead and make a list of the experience and combined arms commands of the people at the table that you think would be so knowledgeable. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 2:41:12 PM EDT
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If show Winterfell had been more like book Winterfell, there would have been a much better chance of defending it. It should have had two thick walls (100ft inner, 80ft outer) separated by a wide moat
One dragon should have been making non-stop straffing runs parallel to the walls as the wights piled up against them |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 2:41:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's kind of my point. It's not all or none. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 3:07:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When they had the advantage of good source material that they didn’t write (i.e. the first three books), and help from the author, they did well. They managed to flesh out some weaker characters (like Cersei, who is a cardboard cutout in the books), and out together a handful of good scenes that condensed the story and made it better for TV. They also made some dumb decisions (like changing Robb Stark’s marriage story), but overall, their coverage of the first three books is commendable. When they were forced to be dependent on their own writing, it started to go downhill. The Dorne sequence, for example, was fucktarded. In an effort to make the (admittedly weak) female characters stronger, they made all the males into incompetent buffoons. Lacking any grasp of period logistics, they have repeatedly had to rely on psychic intuition and unseen instant communication on the part of military folks to put people in the right places, and the lack of tactics (even from experienced tacticians) is laughably bad. This last season seems cobbled together and rushed, relying on plot armor and D&D ex machina in a swirling mass of fail that seems a poor payoff for the viewer at this point. It’s almost as if they knew the desired ending (they did), but had no clue how to get there. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 3:12:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/8/2019 3:16:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That little gaff is no desert open area leading up to the wall(s) in King's Landing. In fact if you look at the Westeros and city map there is no wall or desert area to the city like that for Cersi and crew to stand on like that. They made up the entire scene somewhere not called King's Landing. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 3:20:01 PM EDT
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I think also the flaming arakhs also made the Dothraki so confident that the jumped the gun. It doesn't look at all like Jorah is ordering or leading the charge. Your last point is important and it can't be emphasized enough that this is a character driven story about the choices they make. It is not whoever has the best army and tactics gets to sit on the Iron throne. There is a difference of commanding an army and its battle tactics and commanding a small force fighting individually. Jon Snow trained to fight and was good at swordplay, but he was never going to be a Lord so why would Ned have him study how to lead armies? In the night's Watch he trained to lead them, but the were defenders of a frontier fortification, not a standing army. Jon's only experience in command of an army was Battle of the Bastards, and his army was more like a mob. His plan was lousy and went to shit immediately when he charged like an idiot at the enemy. He was outmaneuvered and decisively beaten until the knights of the Vale saved his ass. Lord Yonce and Davos have military experience but they are minor characters and it doesn't look like they are doing much in battle. Go ahead and make a list of the experience and combined arms commands of the people at the table that you think would be so knowledgeable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Flanking maneuvers, and calvary in general, work better against living breathing humans who care about their life, and tend to break and run in fear. The undead don't do that. In my opinion, the flaming swords served three main purposes. The first, as the writers said, is to offer a bit of hope after the utter feeling of darkness and hopelessness leading up to the scene. The second, is it allowed the audience to see the swords going out, in the darkness. Which I believe is a lot less expensive to shoot then an actual on screen portrayal of the calvary being destroyed. Finally, it was important for Daeny to see the flames go out, so she would decide to break from the original plan and fly her dragons, instead of waiting for the Night King to show up. The use of military assets was irrelevant. The story called for there to be no hope for a conventional military win. So even if they had set up the battlefield to everyone's satisfaction, the result would have been the same. Because that's what the writers wanted the story to be. Quoted: You can try to validate it however you want to but it was only done because it was a “cool shot”. John didn’t train or study military tactics? Are you serious? That’s literally all he did his entire life. You look at this group and think Jamie is only person with tactical knowledge? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/311470/0750ACF4-C7F2-48BB-BA01-BFEDFFD45518-938589.jpg Jon's only experience in command of an army was Battle of the Bastards, and his army was more like a mob. His plan was lousy and went to shit immediately when he charged like an idiot at the enemy. He was outmaneuvered and decisively beaten until the knights of the Vale saved his ass. Lord Yonce and Davos have military experience but they are minor characters and it doesn't look like they are doing much in battle. Go ahead and make a list of the experience and combined arms commands of the people at the table that you think would be so knowledgeable. Ned was the ONLY person who knew that JON was the true heir to the fucking Iron Throne, so , well, ya know...... |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 3:20:03 PM EDT
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Just like GRRM. I put most of the blame on him for the decline in quality. The last seasons are rushed because he only has the bullet points of the rest of the story, not the details and dialog. The show is an adaptation of the books, everyone expected GRRM to finish the story. The show would have turned out better if they knew from the start that the books wouldn't be completed and they could have planned out these seasons from the start rather than the rushed way it was. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: When they had the advantage of good source material that they didn’t write (i.e. the first three books), and help from the author, they did well. They managed to flesh out some weaker characters (like Cersei, who is a cardboard cutout in the books), and out together a handful of good scenes that condensed the story and made it better for TV. They also made some dumb decisions (like changing Robb Stark’s marriage story), but overall, their coverage of the first three books is commendable. When they were forced to be dependent on their own writing, it started to go downhill. The Dorne sequence, for example, was fucktarded. In an effort to make the (admittedly weak) female characters stronger, they made all the males into incompetent buffoons. Lacking any grasp of period logistics, they have repeatedly had to rely on psychic intuition and unseen instant communication on the part of military folks to put people in the right places, and the lack of tactics (even from experienced tacticians) is laughably bad. This last season seems cobbled together and rushed, relying on plot armor and D&D ex machina in a swirling mass of fail that seems a poor payoff for the viewer at this point. It’s almost as if they knew the desired ending (they did), but had no clue how to get there. Sure, if person B could just copy the test they would have done better, but personally I put the blame on person B being a lazy dumbass who couldn't even make a decent attempt of doing a good job on their own. If we want to talk why the final season isn't Breaking Bad S5 level epic we can blame some of it on GRRM. If we want to talk why the final season is an absolute train wreck then the fault lies with Dumb and Dumber. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 3:23:17 PM EDT
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People keep saying that. Did you guys enjoy any of the Game of Thrones series? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dumb and dumber can't write for shit GOT was (WAS) the best thing that ever happened to television. Then, these fuckheads got their Star Wars contracts or something, and decided "Fuck the ending of GOT, we got $ to make". That is precisely WHY people are hating this bullshit we're being fed by these filthy cocksuckers here in season 8. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 3:34:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Hounds horse was definitely a Friesian. Light draft horse commonly used in medieval warfare(originally anyway). Arya's may have been an Andalusian. |
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