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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:21:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In most places here it's 191 days. When I was back in Virginia, it was 200 days and for a whole lot less money. A simple formula to do head to head comparisons of pay between teachers and, as you say, "full time" employees (which is a misnomer) is as follows. This is based off of our required 191 day schedule here. Annual salary/191 days/7.5 hours = hourly compensation. Now do that with your "full time" job and we'll concede your 240 days example: Annual salary/240 days/7.5 hours = hourly compensation. Every time I do that break out against someone with comparable years, education and responsibilities in a non-education position, my hourly wage is considerably lower. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:24:29 AM EDT
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I'll be calling in for my daughter the days they have to make up at the end of the year. She's ready to attend school everyday so why should she suffer? All sports are affected except for Varsity level as long as staffing is available. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:29:34 AM EDT
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My son was bitching to me today about one of his teachers. They had to bring in a replacement mid year to cover for one who resigned when it was alleged the teacher was doing a student. The replacement just shows YouTube videos and doesn't really teach anything. They have a test today. My son has been asking questions for a week that have gone unanswered. And he's pissed that it might put him in a position to get less than yet another A. He's been trying to work out the question on his own with the text books, the internet, and asking other faculty members. Since I'm his Father I'm a complete moron and wouldn't know a thing about high school science. He'll get his damned A. And he'll learn to hate yet another so-called teacher who is just drawing a check. He's about to go to the school board on this one.
How's that for messed up? I'm trying to keep my kid from blowing a gasket and filing a complaint on a teacher. I don't think the problem is quite as bad as he describes but I'm sure the new guy is no ball of fire. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:39:24 AM EDT
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Is there a more whiny entitled bunch of fucks on the planet than teachers?
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:41:12 AM EDT
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Is there a more whiny entitled bunch of fucks on the planet than teachers? |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:42:02 AM EDT
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yeah... most of the students and their parents. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there a more whiny entitled bunch of fucks on the planet than teachers? |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:45:22 AM EDT
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My son was bitching to me today about one of his teachers. They had to bring in a replacement mid year to cover for one who resigned when it was alleged the teacher was doing a student. The replacement just shows YouTube videos and doesn't really teach anything. They have a test today. My son has been asking questions for a week that have gone unanswered. And he's pissed that it might put him in a position to get less than yet another A. He's been trying to work out the question on his own with the text books, the internet, and asking other faculty members. Since I'm his Father I'm a complete moron and wouldn't know a thing about high school science. He'll get his damned A. And he'll learn to hate yet another so-called teacher who is just drawing a check. He's about to go to the school board on this one. How's that for messed up? I'm trying to keep my kid from blowing a gasket and filing a complaint on a teacher. I don't think the problem is quite as bad as he describes but I'm sure the new guy is no ball of fire. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:47:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes people with similar educations receive different compensation. Some degrees don't pay as well. Gender studies pays a lot less, on average, than a degree in engineering. What's your point? You choose a low paying degree and we should feel sorry for you? Turn that education into a different job if you believe your compensation isn't worth it. Go make the big bucks, but accept it takes more days worked as well as more hours spent at work. I simply stated a basic mathematical fact. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 11:08:16 AM EDT
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To graduating students my advice is, "Don't go into teaching."
Don't get me wrong, I love what I do and the pay is adequate. The problem is the administrative horseshit; pushy, uninformed parents; flavor-of-the-month mandates from professional "Educators"; and "Yeah, but you get summers off" trolls. Other than that, it's rewarding work. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 11:14:09 AM EDT
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I can't speak for the person you quoted, but when my wife was a teacher, she was required to 10 months a year, and always taught summer school. So she worked 11 months for 11 months of pay. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 11:39:47 AM EDT
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To graduating students my advice is, "Don't go into teaching." Don't get me wrong, I love what I do and the pay is adequate. The problem is the administrative horseshit; pushy, uninformed parents; flavor-of-the-month mandates from professional "Educators"; and "Yeah, but you get summers off" trolls. Other than that, it's rewarding work. 
Fuck that, it's definitely not worth the cheap health insurance. Pick a 9 to 5, any 9 to 5, and do that. Kharn |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 11:48:56 AM EDT
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This is a political stunt thats gonna backfire. SUSD where my son attends are driving lexus, mercedes, or at least nicer new cars. I call bullshat on all this. Working 9 months per year, every imaginable holiday, pensions, f red for ed. They need a maxi pad not a raise. The whining about classroom supplies? I worked as a mechanic for years, I spent way more than $1k a year on tools that I needed to do my job, not to mention paying for uniforms and clothing that gets constantly destroyed. Also, how the hell does shit like pencils and paper for the poor kids in your class cost that much? You can buy enough #2 pencils to take a kid from kindergarten to 12th grade for less than $20 on Amazon. A case of good paper from Wallyworld is $40. The money wasting that is going on in every district on the Front Range of CO is colossal. I worked on a "rennovation" project years ago where we walked past rusty decaying doors from the 1960's at schools in the poor part of town to replace perfectly fine 10 year old doors in the rich part of town. They had big piles of tables, chairs, desks, etc that were perfectly fine, but where being tossed outside to rust, and get rained on and ruined, to be replaced with new ones. It was government waste on parade. That graph someone posted from the Cato Institute says it all. Ballooning costs, for the same or worse results. The emperor is running around with his junk swinging in the breeze, but because of what a former Denver radio host used to call Chronic Adult Teacher's Pet Syndrome "CATPS" (pronounced "cat-piss") no one wants to stand up and yell "HE'S NAKED!!" |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 12:17:30 PM EDT
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The 'demands'. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/40084/Screenshot_from_2018-04-24_20-51-01-524899.JPG 
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Posted: 4/25/2018 12:42:19 PM EDT
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To graduating students my advice is, "Don't go into teaching." Don't get me wrong, I love what I do and the pay is adequate. The problem is the administrative horseshit; pushy, uninformed parents; flavor-of-the-month mandates from professional "Educators"; and "Yeah, but you get summers off" trolls. Other than that, it's rewarding work. States need to pass funding laws that ensure most of the money goes to the classroom and restrict the number of admin per teacher. Same issue with most colleges -- admin people making well over 6 figures who figure out ways to maximize the number of rules and maximize teaching adjuncts so they can pay profs 40K per year. Straight up union and leftist robbery. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 1:00:08 PM EDT
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How dare people ask to be paid more!  If you don't think you are being paid what you are worth then you should ask for it with the willingness to quit and go somewhere else if you can't come to an agreement. This idea of walking off a job but expecting your job to protected anyway by law, intimidation, or labor cartel is ludicrous. Those teachers should be fulfilling their obligations to their students and their employers until they can either negotiate a raise or find a better opportunity elsewhere. Walking off the job is unprofessional and frankly should be a terminable offense. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 1:21:34 PM EDT
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I talked to two of my daughter's teacher just now. Both of them are against this walk-out, but school is closed so there is nothing they can do. They were almost in tears with the entire situation and they understood my frustration of using the kids as PONS in the situation. Regardless, if you wanted better pay you chose the wrong profession. I have been a paramedic for 12 years and I knew the money would suck. I should try walking out in the middle of a call |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 1:23:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Teaching is supposed to be a profession you do because you love it, not because you want to make money. Traditionally it was a career for unmarried women, newly married women who didn't have children yet, older women who's children were grown, or the occasional gay man that still lived with his mother and liked being around children. Just like fast food....it was never a career meant for a man who was responsible for supporting a family. Now many teachers are up to their ears in debt. Met a 2nd grade teacher who's working on her Masters recently. It was sort of interesting to hear her talk, but at the same time I kept thinking....WTF do you need a Masters to teach 2nd grade? |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 1:46:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hell, even my schools in liberal-ass Tempe, AZ growing up, they would bus in illegals to my middle school and high school. We have an area called Guadalupe, where you'll be driving, and it will be normal suburban Phoenix, then you cross a street and you are in Tijuana. It's bad, and they would bus the kids in from there. All of the Sherrif Joe drama made it a hands off area, but it's just a shithole. Those shitty kid all got bussed into my high school. Misbehaving, drugs, generally being assholes.. Once again, I'm not blaming the kids, I'm blaming the people in office that allowed it to happen. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 2:03:46 PM EDT
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I would probably take a pay cut if I had the amount of days off that teachers have.
My son now gets: 10 days fall break 3 weeks winter break 10 days spring break 4 days off "teacher work days" 2 days off Parent Teacher conferences Every single holiday off Compared to me: 20 days off 9 holidays per year |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 2:06:35 PM EDT
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My 8 year old was so excited for her performance that is now canceled. The ring leader of this movement went on record saying they want to make it is painful as possible to prove their point. Here is a novel idea, if you want more pay, protest on your time and don't leave the kids high and dry 
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Posted: 4/25/2018 3:38:32 PM EDT
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Jesus. This guy needs to be tarred, feathered, beaten and run out of the state. This shit is toxic. If I had a kid in his class, I'd be livid... and all over the principal. Either he'd get fired, or I'd put my kid in a private school that week. Fuck these reds. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Just saw this on another site, it’s a look at the leader of this strike. A true SJW in teachers clothes. No wonder they chose Red as their color... He’s teaching your kids. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/19372/A82EF847-18DF-42D0-84AA-74FB8185C8AD-525080.JPG |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 3:41:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pawns. The word you are looking for is "pawns" as in- chess. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 5:11:08 PM EDT
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My kid in Deer Valley school district is off starting Thursday. My kid in a Great Hearts charter school is going to be in class. Charter schools 100% better. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 5:41:52 PM EDT
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How many of the students are illegals? Let's also talk about free lunches. They even feed those fuckers in the summer time when there is no school.
How many of the upper management school administrators have blingy company cars? Fraud waste and abuse is why they can't afford to pay teachers. Get rid of the illegals and we probably only need half of the teachers. Give that half a raise. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 5:46:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed This country is in a crisis for new teachers. Who now wants to go and get a degree for crap pay, kids and hostile parents? Wait until the real bitching starts when their kids don’t have teachers.... |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 5:49:15 PM EDT
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+10 if only GD could walk in a teachers shoes. It isn’t worth 34,000 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/25/2018 5:50:27 PM EDT
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then get a different job. This isn't slavery no one forces the teachers to stay. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/25/2018 6:13:56 PM EDT
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Some districts in Colorado start at 28,000. I support the walk out Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When I was in grade school/junior high/high school in Colorado, the was NO TEACHERS UNION. Every teacher just did his/her job. Those who fucked up (only one teacher in 12 years) got fired. I had great teachers. The best in the world. I support the walk out |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 6:43:28 PM EDT
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Oklahoma already did this earlier this month. Teachers did a strike for two full weeks.
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Posted: 4/25/2018 6:43:39 PM EDT
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Must be nice to walk off a job whenever you feel like it. If I did that as an airline pilot there would be HELL to pay.
Although this is really convincing me that when I have kids. Their getting sent to private school. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 6:48:32 PM EDT
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Is there a more whiny entitled bunch of fucks on the planet than teachers? |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 6:49:16 PM EDT
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Give them a small raise through June then shitcan all of them. Make them re-apply for their jobs and backfill with newly graduated candidates or experienced trackers from other places.
Oh yeah, fuck the teachers unions. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 8:11:27 PM EDT
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I have no problem saying teachers down here deserve more money. As a parent of two elementary school children and another in costly preschool, I donate at least $200 in supplies to all of my kids teachers. All the other parents do the same. We have to fork out dough all year long for various projects and PTA fundraisers. The school is nice, the best in the state, well staffed with good people and yet teachers only make $35K. I am more than happy for teachers advocating for more pay, but not by turning your backs on the kids and wait until very last minute to tell everyone Quote HistoryQuoted:
I have no problem saying teachers down here deserve more money. As a parent of two elementary school children and another in costly preschool, I donate at least $200 in supplies to all of my kids teachers. All the other parents do the same. We have to fork out dough all year long for various projects and PTA fundraisers. The school is nice, the best in the state, well staffed with good people and yet teachers only make $35K. I am more than happy for teachers advocating for more pay, but not by turning your backs on the kids and wait until very last minute to tell everyone Quoted:
Quoted: No. They don't. Your schools pay scale is public record. Look it up. Then you looked it up, they start at $34k. You did not take into account that - shocker - not everyone is a starting teacher. I'm not wrong. I have posted the average salaries for teaching positions in Arizona. They may start at $34k, but they top out much higher and average much higher. https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_az.htm#25-0000 You don't like being wrong. You haven't said where you live (if you have in another post, I'm sorry...), but you did say 'My school is nice, best in the state'. And we're talking about Public Schools. So I'm going to assume that your school is University High School in Tucson. That is the best ranked public school in the state. They're in the Tuscon Unified School District. Their pay actually is quite low. (But then again, it's Tuscon, not Phoenix, so it's cheaper...) They work 207 days a year (vs 180 mandated by the state, and 185 in my hometown)  Attached File Attached FileThat's much lower than, say, Mesa, where I live.  Attached FileOf course, in Mesa, you can also become a Department Specialist or Team Leader... (and work 14 more days... a total of 199)  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 8:29:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had the pleasure of being bused INTO Guadalupe for k-6. Yes. there are elementary school Mexican gangs that will corner you and beat the shit out of you for sport. I feel bad for them now, looking back a decade and a half later, because they were likely dealing with some shit at home that we weren't having to deal with. It's still no excuse to act like an asshole in public though. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 9:20:42 PM EDT
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then get a different job. This isn't slavery no one forces the teachers to stay. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Agreed Baltimore City Public Schools still has ~200 H1B employees from the Philippines as teachers, who are stuck either continuing to work for the city or being sent home. The city is so desperate for qualified teachers willing to put up with the possibility of being stabbed or raped by the students that they're they're importing people. 
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:08:13 PM EDT
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Where are you going to find replacement teachers? And have 'em report armed. Two birds,one stone. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:13:08 PM EDT
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They didn’t know teaching paid low before they took their college major? Lol. Whatever. Most teachers teach because it’s easier than getting a real job plus June July August.
Cry me a river. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:26:04 PM EDT
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They didn’t know teaching paid low before they took their college major? Lol. Whatever. Most teachers teach because it’s easier than getting a real job plus June July August. Cry me a river. I'd rather work my 42 hours a week turning wrenches on landfill equipment at $19.98/hr than deal with parents and teachers as a process coordinator at the $50/k a year my wife makes. What's worse, the only reason she switched from being a SPED teacher at $43/k a year was because parents never showed up for appointments they scheduled, and then were constantly blaming her for lack of communication. |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 2:45:11 AM EDT
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Wrong. Sorry your feelz are feeling. Cry elsewhere. You have not answered the question. You have until class time tomorrow to update your assignment or your grade will be a zero.
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Posted: 4/26/2018 2:58:15 AM EDT
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such ignorance. I'd rather work my 42 hours a week turning wrenches on landfill equipment at $19.98/hr than deal with parents and teachers as a process coordinator at the $50/k a year my wife makes. What's worse, the only reason she switched from being a SPED teacher at $43/k a year was because parents never showed up for appointments they scheduled, and then were constantly blaming her for lack of communication. |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 3:09:00 AM EDT
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The general hatred (or is it resentment or whatever) of teachers and teaching is quite evident in this thread. That's interesting to me.
I have never known but a few (back in junior high school) who were worthy of such hatred. You guys must have gotten a hard time from your teachers to have such resentment/hatred. My kids had some real bone head teachers but they were not so bad as to engender this kind of hatred. I've known some really good teachers in my time. The vast majority were at least good and a few were great. I really appreciate what they did for me. I feel sorry for the teachers of your children. Imagine what parents' night is like with an audience filled with this hatred. 
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Posted: 4/26/2018 3:11:13 AM EDT
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Mobilize National Guard soldiers with degrees. And have 'em report armed. Two birds,one stone.
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Posted: 4/26/2018 3:31:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: THAT is not a bad idea. |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 5:05:54 AM EDT
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Choose your rate choose your fate, shipmate.  It takes about the same amount of time to go to school for engineering as it does for a teaching degree. I make triple what a similarly aged acquaintance makes.
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Posted: 4/26/2018 5:10:31 AM EDT
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My wife was a teacher at one point which is another post. However teachers want better pay got it. My argument to every teacher is are there not poor teachers at every school? The answer is always yes. They why dont they get fired? The only teachers to ever get fired is only for molestation.
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Posted: 4/26/2018 6:27:33 AM EDT
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The general hatred (or is it resentment or whatever) of teachers and teaching is quite evident in this thread. That's interesting to me. I have never known but a few (back in junior high school) who were worthy of such hatred. You guys must have gotten a hard time from your teachers to have such resentment/hatred. My kids had some real bone head teachers but they were not so bad as to engender this kind of hatred. I've known some really good teachers in my time. The vast majority were at least good and a few were great. I really appreciate what they did for me. I feel sorry for the teachers of your children. Imagine what parents' night is like with an audience filled with this hatred. Kharn |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 10:00:54 AM EDT
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CCUSD? |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 6:42:00 PM EDT
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I have no love or hate for teachers. U ions are a different matter. Dump the Union, hike up their pay to be par with competitive jobs and select the cream of the crop. Teacher that rate in the bottom 10% of peer reviews as well as student reviews get the boot.
No problem paying them more, to get a better class of teacher... |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 6:49:11 PM EDT
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Sounds like child endangerment. File charges.
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Posted: 4/26/2018 6:52:00 PM EDT
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They were almost in tears with the entire situation and they understood my frustration of using the kids as pons in the situation.
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