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Posted: 8/24/2019 9:18:28 AM EDT
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Scrutinizing private guns sales was among a list of ideas Abbott rattled off after emerging from a four-hour, closed-door meeting about the El Paso shooting with lawmakers, police and representatives from Google, Facebook and Twitter.
He also floated the idea of “welfare checks” when worries are raised about people with access to firearms. Authorities have said the mother of the suspected El Paso gunman, 21-year-old Patrick Crusius, had called police weeks before the attack to express concern about her son buying an “AK” style rifle. “Right now there is nothing in law that would prevent one stranger from selling a gun to a terrorist, and obviously that’s a danger that needs to be looked into,” Abbott said. Republicans everywhere are looking to cut the cord with gun owners. We're baggage. It's a 2 Party system-you have to vote for one of them................ This is all the fault of all you people voting for the anti gun lesser evil Republicans over the years-they learned that they can pass gun control,and like good little Battered Wives,the vast majority still pull that R lever no matter what. Rick Scott was the icing on the cake-Trump says not to fear the NRA,and congratulates Scott on his fine gun control laws,and he is rewarded with a Senate seat.Gun owners sent the message that they are nothing but paper kittens. Shirley it will get better though.................. |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 9:19:15 AM EDT
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Wowwy, these Republican politicians can't STFU...
Stop Talking, Stop Grand Standing Hking |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 9:19:48 AM EDT
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I'm not seeing that 'meeting' as anything more than a group conversation. I don't see Abbott wanting to do anything to negate any 2A freedoms - and even if he wanted to he'd either have to call a special session of the legislature or wait until 2022. Lip service to appease middle of the road voters. Abbott is a pretty damned staunch 2A supporter. |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 9:20:07 AM EDT
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This isn't about stopping mass shootings.
We'll get UBC's and RFL's and mass shootings will still happen. They want more mass shootings to justify disarming us. It's only a matter of time. |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 9:20:21 AM EDT
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They know they can completely fuck gun owners and 99.9% of those very same gun owners will line up to vote for them because "the other guy is worse". They know it. They count on it. We have multi page threads here about how you still need to vote for the lesser of two evils. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Republicans everywhere are looking to cut the cord with gun owners. We're baggage. |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 9:21:22 AM EDT
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He doesn’t have a leg to stand on but he chaired the gun violence meeting. He was on a roll.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 9:26:40 AM EDT
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This makes me sad. Abbott had been doing a damn fine job so far.
He ran on secure borders and definitely talked about being 2A friendly. Apparently it was lip service.  Attached File
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Posted: 8/24/2019 9:28:18 AM EDT
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This makes me sad. Abbott had been doing a damn fine job so far. He ran on secure borders and definitely talked about being 2A friendly. Apparently it was lip service. |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 9:33:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Trump formula. We consistently vote for the same party while getting nothing in return. |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 9:34:31 AM EDT
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representatives from Google, Facebook and Twitter? WTF are they in a meeting for? Screw those asses. 
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Posted: 8/24/2019 9:35:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Trump formula. In the past three years we've seen arfcom go from "Trump's the best! HPA here we come!" to "Republicans are blocking Trump on 2A" to "oh well, who cares about bumpstoocks, they were just toys" to "Well, yeah he's talked about taking the guns first, due process later and banning silencers but he's not serious" to finally "Well, you HAVE to vote for him because the Democrat will be worse!" Can't wait to see what campaign season brings! |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 9:47:55 AM EDT
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Been saying that for a while. Plus we're worthless as a voting block. The level of apathetic laziness shows the GOP that they can pass gun control and still win elections. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Scrutinizing private guns sales was among a list of ideas Abbott rattled off after emerging from a four-hour, closed-door meeting about the El Paso shooting with lawmakers, police and representatives from Google, Facebook and Twitter.
He also floated the idea of "welfare checks" when worries are raised about people with access to firearms. Authorities have said the mother of the suspected El Paso gunman, 21-year-old Patrick Crusius, had called police weeks before the attack to express concern about her son buying an "AK" style rifle. "Right now there is nothing in law that would prevent one stranger from selling a gun to a terrorist, and obviously that's a danger that needs to be looked into," Abbott said. Republicans everywhere are looking to cut the cord with gun owners. We're baggage. The problem is that there is not an alternative that supports less government. There is "The Party of Big Government" and "The Party of Really Big Government" and not enough of anything else to win. The choice is between voting for the party that says it will protect your freedom and that you know will stab you in the back, or do you punish them by supporting the party that says up front it will take your freedom? |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 9:53:37 AM EDT
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Be honest Governor, what is the likelihood anyone knows a terrorist when they see one? Heck, the fabled FBI didn't know a single terrorist in the 9/11 attack which was done without a gun I might point out. Background checks are not foolproof. Terrorists don't go around wearing jackets labeled "TERRORIST" on the back. Mental Health is also a big issue. Prescribing pills they won't take is not treatment. It is a social feel good placebo. Stop harassing the law abiding people with schemes to disarm them when they need guns to protect themselves and their families. Make personal defense training a priority and a tax deduction.
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Posted: 8/24/2019 9:56:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What are you going to do-vote democrat?Throw your vote away on a 3rd Party candidate? It's a 2 Party system-you have to vote for one of them................ This is all the fault of all you people voting for the anti gun lesser evil Republicans over the years-they learned that they can pass gun control,and like good little Battered Wives,the vast majority still pull that R lever no matter what. Rick Scott was the icing on the cake-Trump says not to fear the NRA,and congratulates Scott on his fine gun control laws,and he is rewarded with a Senate seat.Gun owners sent the message that they are nothing but paper kittens. Shirley it will get better though.................. All the Media (our "Friends") are talking about is how draconian do the initial restrictions need to be? AWB? UBC? Mandatory Licensing & ID? ?? I don't see politicians saying "these ideas you keep harping would not and did not stop previous mass killers - so the urge to "DO SOMETHING NOW!!!!" should be focused on "Doing something meaningful & effective - rather than rushing to something that did not and will not work"... 
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Posted: 8/24/2019 9:57:42 AM EDT
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Texas folks need to rattle his cage.
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Posted: 8/24/2019 9:58:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They know they can completely fuck gun owners and 99.9% of those very same gun owners will line up to vote for them because "the other guy is worse". They know it. They count on it. We have multi page threads here about how you still need to vote for the lesser of two evils. |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 10:00:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This right here. Abbott has proven time and time again that he will "talk" with the left but nothing comes of it. Talking in meetings while he's actually trying to count the ceiling tiles acting like he is listening is more than likely is what's happening. I could be wrong and I have been before. It seems we are playing the end game and everyone is against the 2a right now. |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 10:00:40 AM EDT
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And to think I voted for that prick when I lived there.  Help avoid the let down. |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 10:03:50 AM EDT
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So when is someone going to run who isn't the lesser of two evils? Doesn't matter how good a candidate is, there will be some ass clown who will hate him/her. If they can't find something legitimate to accuse the candidate of saying or doing, then they will make it up, even on GD. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: They know they can completely fuck gun owners and 99.9% of those very same gun owners will line up to vote for them because "the other guy is worse". They know it. They count on it. We have multi page threads here about how you still need to vote for the lesser of two evils. |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 10:06:48 AM EDT
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I've donated to Abbott for Governor.
Going to be sending an email letting him know my feelings about this. |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 10:08:48 AM EDT
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"Wheels" will have you "open wide".
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Posted: 8/24/2019 10:09:32 AM EDT
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"Vote for the GOP. We're not quite as bad as the socialists" is a winning strategy, apparently. The problem is that there is not an alternative that supports less government. There is "The Party of Big Government" and "The Party of Really Big Government" and not enough of anything else to win. The choice is between voting for the party that says it will protect your freedom and that you know will stab you in the back, or do you punish them by supporting the party that says up front it will take your freedom? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Scrutinizing private guns sales was among a list of ideas Abbott rattled off after emerging from a four-hour, closed-door meeting about the El Paso shooting with lawmakers, police and representatives from Google, Facebook and Twitter.
He also floated the idea of "welfare checks" when worries are raised about people with access to firearms. Authorities have said the mother of the suspected El Paso gunman, 21-year-old Patrick Crusius, had called police weeks before the attack to express concern about her son buying an "AK" style rifle. "Right now there is nothing in law that would prevent one stranger from selling a gun to a terrorist, and obviously that's a danger that needs to be looked into," Abbott said. Republicans everywhere are looking to cut the cord with gun owners. We're baggage. The problem is that there is not an alternative that supports less government. There is "The Party of Big Government" and "The Party of Really Big Government" and not enough of anything else to win. The choice is between voting for the party that says it will protect your freedom and that you know will stab you in the back, or do you punish them by supporting the party that says up front it will take your freedom? Hell,I'm so old that I remember when the republican Party touted itself as the Party of smaller government,less spending,and pro gun.Sure,they've never given us any of that (going back to,and including Reagan),but they are definitely the lesser evil and should get our support....... It doesn't matter much anyway-the vast majority of people want a huge nanny state gov. and vote for it.Those of us that actually want smaller gov (and the Freedom that goes with it),less spending,and the repealing of anti gun bullshit (getting back to the 2nd),are a tine minority. As history has shown time after time,Republicans will give us more infringements,and all the cult following Party faithful will tell us just how lucky we are that the dems aren't in charge because it would be so much worse,and we have to vote Team R again no matter what........ |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 10:12:17 AM EDT
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Think about if private firearms sales were made illegal.
They would naturally allocate more funding to enforce such a law. Who would enforce that law. Probably not local cops, it would likely be passed a federal law. Are they going to simply send people a court summons for violation of the law? Say hello to national FBI/ATF raids, for non-compliance. Very quickly you have everything in place for confiscation. How difficult is it for the feds to say, we think he sold someone a deer rifle, that’s why we killed him and his family and burned down his church. This sets a narrative in place and the institutional apparatus to dispose of anyone deemed a threat to the state. |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 10:12:40 AM EDT
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I am getting extremely tired of this crap. I can only imagine the general public, who could care less about guns, feels about it. At some point people will just want them all banned just to stop hearing the moaning and whining about it. Then move onto "Assault Knives".
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Posted: 8/24/2019 10:15:08 AM EDT
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There have been better candidates every time but GD is always quick to shout "ThEy'Ll NeVeR wIn!" and demand you vote for the big government statist option. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: They know they can completely fuck gun owners and 99.9% of those very same gun owners will line up to vote for them because "the other guy is worse". They know it. They count on it. We have multi page threads here about how you still need to vote for the lesser of two evils. [youtube]https://youtu.be/l7l9QmtiXHU[/youtube] |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 10:16:42 AM EDT
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Think about if private firearms sales were made illegal. They would naturally allocate more funding to enforce such a law. Who would enforce that law. Probably not local cops, it would likely be passed a federal law. Are they going to simply send people a court summons for violation of the law? Say hello to national FBI/ATF raids, for non-compliance. Very quickly you have everything in place for confiscation. How difficult is it for the feds to say, we think he sold someone a deer rifle, that’s why we killed him and his family and burned down his church. This sets a narrative in place and the institutional apparatus to dispose of anyone deemed a threat to the state. I can also see all the excuses/defenses/justifications when the Republicans do it.................. |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 10:18:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What are you going to do-vote democrat?Throw your vote away on a 3rd Party candidate? It's a 2 Party system-you have to vote for one of them................ This is all the fault of all you people voting for the anti gun lesser evil Republicans over the years-they learned that they can pass gun control,and like good little Battered Wives,the vast majority still pull that R lever no matter what. Rick Scott was the icing on the cake-Trump says not to fear the NRA,and congratulates Scott on his fine gun control laws,and he is rewarded with a Senate seat.Gun owners sent the message that they are nothing but paper kittens. Shirley it will get better though.................. |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 10:20:42 AM EDT
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Gun owners are like inner city blacks in terms of voting habits. We consistently vote for the same party while getting nothing in return. |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 10:21:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can see it happening. I can also see all the excuses/defenses/justifications when the Republicans do it.................. |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 10:23:43 AM EDT
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WTF is going on?
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Posted: 8/24/2019 10:27:08 AM EDT
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AFAIK, one man was killed for refusing a red flag warrant.
Dozens have been killed (over a much longer period of years) for refusing welfare checks. |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 10:27:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OK, so what do you propose gun owners do? We all hate holding our noses but the only game in town is hold your nose or stay home. I can't remember in my life a time I didn't have to hold my nose. Main party or 3rd party, the candidates are all political lying scum. Even on GD I don't believe most are as pro-2A as they claim. There are the blowhards, the enablers, compromisers and the clueless social do gooders. Some are down right anarchists and nut jobs. We even have hot heads here who alienate anyone who even attempts to join the cause. You'd think we were on the Titanic and people were trying to make the hole bigger. How can you defend the Constitution when so many claiming to be on our side are undermining it? In the recent European Union election, the Brexit party which was only very recently created swept the board. Had a general election been held at that time it would have won with one of the largest majorities ever. Had you told me this even 5 years ago, I would have said you were smoking crack. Brexit has proved 3rd parties are viable. Everyone on both sides is sick of the establishment, across the whole western world. |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 10:30:38 AM EDT
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There have been better candidates every time but GD is always quick to shout "ThEy'Ll NeVeR wIn!" and demand you vote for the big government statist option. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: They know they can completely fuck gun owners and 99.9% of those very same gun owners will line up to vote for them because "the other guy is worse". They know it. They count on it. We have multi page threads here about how you still need to vote for the lesser of two evils. Frankly, our only tactic is to keep each other honest by putting *some* Dems in a position to pass gun control, but where they will be stymied by opposition. That way the worthless, unprincipled, two-faced dirtbags pols --and their constituent enablers-- will be certain to stand against gun control. A risky gambit, but I don't see how electing more Republicans will help gun rights when voters choose guys like Trump & Scott. I don't like the prospect any more than anyone else here, but I like gun rights more than Republicans. If I have to lose one to save the other? This "win all three branches & things will finally get better" approach clearly does not work since a majority of Republican voters clearly are not pro-gun, and as a result neither are the candidates they nominate. |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 10:31:44 AM EDT
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Scrutinizing private guns sales was among a list of ideas Abbott rattled off after emerging from a four-hour, closed-door meeting about the El Paso shooting with lawmakers, police and representatives from Google, Facebook and Twitter.
He also floated the idea of “welfare checks” when worries are raised about people with access to firearms. Authorities have said the mother of the suspected El Paso gunman, 21-year-old Patrick Crusius, had called police weeks before the attack to express concern about her son buying an “AK” style rifle. “Right now there is nothing in law that would prevent one stranger from selling a gun to a terrorist, and obviously that’s a danger that needs to be looked into,” Abbott said. Republicans everywhere are looking to cut the cord with gun owners. We're baggage. |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 10:38:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There have been better candidates every time but GD is always quick to shout "ThEy'Ll NeVeR wIn!" and demand you vote for the big government statist option. 
No matter the candidate there will be trade offs. The question is which ones can you live with or with out? It is one thing to be Joe Citizen with a shopping list of demands and expectations. It's a whole different matter to be the politician everyone wants on their side. Someone is always going to be disappointed. So long as it's the other people I don't care who gets disappointed. With 300 million+ people there are going to be a lot of disappointed. That's why we have a Constitution and a Republic. Since day 1 there were people on a mission to undermine and destroy it. |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 10:40:04 AM EDT
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I'm not seeing that 'meeting' as anything more than a group conversation. I don't see Abbott wanting to do anything to negate any 2A freedoms - and even if he wanted to he'd either have to call a special session of the legislature or wait until 2022. Lip service to appease middle of the road voters. Abbott is a pretty damned staunch 2A supporter. |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 10:48:49 AM EDT
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Think about if private firearms sales were made illegal. They would naturally allocate more funding to enforce such a law. Who would enforce that law. Probably not local cops, it would likely be passed a federal law. Are they going to simply send people a court summons for violation of the law? Say hello to national FBI/ATF raids, for non-compliance. Very quickly you have everything in place for confiscation. How difficult is it for the feds to say, we think he sold someone a deer rifle, that’s why we killed him and his family and burned down his church. This sets a narrative in place and the institutional apparatus to dispose of anyone deemed a threat to the state. |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 10:49:43 AM EDT
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Been saying that for a while. Plus we're worthless as a voting block. The level of apathetic laziness shows the GOP that they can pass gun control and still win elections. Republicans don't care about gun owners because they think we're in a hostage situation -- "who ya gonna vote for instead, the Democrats?" |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 10:50:56 AM EDT
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I'm not seeing that 'meeting' as anything more than a group conversation. I don't see Abbott wanting to do anything to negate any 2A freedoms - and even if he wanted to he'd either have to call a special session of the legislature or wait until 2022. Lip service to appease middle of the road voters. Abbott is a pretty damned staunch 2A supporter. Ted Cruz, for better ot for worse, doesn’t play the “lip service” game and the Leftists and the media hate him with a red-hot passion. |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 10:51:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Britain like the US is / was 2 party system. In the recent European Union election, the Brexit party which was only very recently created swept the board. Had a general election been held at that time it would have won with one of the largest majorities ever. Had you told me this even 5 years ago, I would have said you were smoking crack. Brexit has proved 3rd parties are viable. Everyone on both sides is sick of the establishment, across the whole western world. |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 10:54:10 AM EDT
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Y’all are about to get Rick Scott’d.
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Posted: 8/24/2019 10:54:53 AM EDT
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I really hope Texas doesn't fall into the communist depravity of California and the other slave states. I spebt 25 years in California and it sucks seeing the same ideologies of CA law makers infecting Texas.
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Posted: 8/24/2019 10:55:16 AM EDT
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That's what I was thinking. Why the FUCK were those worthless fucks there? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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representatives from Google, Facebook and Twitter? WTF are they in a meeting for? Screw those asses. |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 10:57:20 AM EDT
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representatives from Google, Facebook and Twitter? WTF are they in a meeting for? Screw those asses. |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 10:57:46 AM EDT
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I expected better from him, seemed like he had a good track record |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 11:00:06 AM EDT
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This right here^ I really don't remember voting for any employee of google, farcebook, or twatter. They have no place deciding anything about my second amendment rights. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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representatives from Google, Facebook and Twitter? WTF are they in a meeting for? Screw those asses. |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 11:00:07 AM EDT
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I'm not seeing that 'meeting' as anything more than a group conversation. I don't see Abbott wanting to do anything to negate any 2A freedoms - and even if he wanted to he'd either have to call a special session of the legislature or wait until 2022. Lip service to appease middle of the road voters. Abbott is a pretty damned staunch 2A supporter. 2016 after the Pulse Nightclub Shooting Rick Scott defended the 2nd Amendment and gun owners and told the the world that "This isn't about the Second Amendment," Scott told CNN's Pamela Brown. "The Second Amendment has been around for more than 200 years. People kill innocent people. Let's have a conversation about how we destroy ISIS." Then FL Governor Rick Scott (R) to CNN. 2018 after the Parkland High School Shooting Rick Scott signed SB 7026 into law which stripped the 2nd Amendment Rights of any Floridians under the age of 21, mandated a waiting period for all purchases, made possession of a Bump Stock or Binary Trigger a Felony, and crushed the 4th Amendment vis Red Flag Orders. When he signed the bill he stated the bill balances “our individual rights with need for public safety,” Scott said. “It's an example to the entire country that government can, and has, moved fast.” Then FL Governor Rick Scott to the Sun Sentinel |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 11:11:17 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/24/2019 11:29:21 AM EDT
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He doesn’t have a leg to stand on but he chaired the gun violence meeting. He was on a roll. 
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Posted: 8/24/2019 11:30:17 AM EDT
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I really hope Texas doesn't fall into the communist depravity of California and the other slave states. I spebt 25 years in California and it sucks seeing the same ideologies of CA law makers infecting Texas. They know once Texas goes blue they have a lock on politics. Texas is the last thing keeping what’s left the American Republic intact. Once Texas goes blue it’s over. Which is why corporations, invited here by Rick Perry, are basically gerrymandering Texas with people from Blue states on an industrial scale. What were some of the most solidly red counties are starting to shift to blue. They aren’t building all those brand new apartment buildings through all the nice suburbs of DFW, Houston, San Antonio and Austin for nothing. I have lived in the DFW area for more than 25 years. The levels of enrichment even in the nice parts is really starting to build. I recently drove through 2 north suburbs of Dallas that I hadn’t visited in a few years, I was shocked at the demographic change. Remember how CA and IL were great places to live in 1980s. They are just doing a rinse, wash and repeat on TX now. |
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