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Posted: 1/20/2019 11:01:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: somedude]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ACDer: Google says..Royal Navy officers 'aboard' 'HMS SPURIOUS MARK II' - a bus converted to resemble the island of an aircraft carrier. The bus is being driven along a runway or taxi way at Royal Naval Air Station East Haven at Carnoustie, Scotland. Used to train deck landing officers. An Italian-American soldier reunited with his cousins in Palermo. Photo: Nick Parrino, National Museum of the US Navy .jpg)
Easy Company, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, US 101st Airborne Division  Soldiers of the 7th Armored Division stand atop a camouflaged M4 Sherman medium tank and scan  Soldiers of the 116th Panzer division in an armored personnel carrier Sd.Kfz.250 / 5 during the Ardennes offensive. 
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Posted: 1/23/2019 2:47:47 PM EDT
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From a known collection in Ukraine. I know this first one is Walter Nowotny
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Nowotny. Amazing pilot. Floated at sea at one point for three days, and got back up in a plane. I think he killed in bf-109,fw-190,me-262.  Attached FileI took a chance on the second picture as it is a Focke Wulf , and from same collection. They are all British roundels, any guesses as to whose tail that is?  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 3:06:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 13starsinax:
From a known collection in Ukraine. I know this first one is Walter Nowotny https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Nowotny. Amazing pilot. Floated at sea at one point for three days, and got back up in a plane. I think he killed in bf-109,fw-190,me-262. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/303716/IMG_1477_jpg-818692.JPG I took a chance on the second picture as it is a Focke Wulf , and from same collection. They are all British roundels, any guesses as to whose tail that is? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/303716/IMG_1479_jpg-818693.JPG |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 3:19:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 13starsinax]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dog1: Erich Rudorffer? edit: How many of his kills were British? |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 3:23:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dog1]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 13starsinax:
I could see that, the collector was into jg-54. With it possibly being correct, due to him fighting in all of the theaters. edit: How many of his kills were British? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 13starsinax:
Originally Posted By Dog1: Erich Rudorffer? edit: How many of his kills were British? Edit to add hyphen that's based on different sources that I've read, so that number could either be less than 36 or greater than 45. Although there's more than forty-five roundels on that tail |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 3:27:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dog1: If his kill records are to be believed and it seems that depend on what you read there might be a little bit of skepticism, according to his record 36- 45 British aircraft were shot down by him. Edit to add hyphen that's based on different sources that I've read, so that number could either be less than 36 or greater than 45. Although there's more than forty-five roundels on that tail |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 3:27:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 13starsinax: Thank you, I am going to do some more reading. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 3:42:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 13starsinax:
edit: your edit: Ok, well that takes him out of it then. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 13starsinax:
Originally Posted By 13starsinax: Thank you, I am going to do some more reading. Not to mention everybody else who fled their countries when the Germans invaded and made their way to England to fight. So if they're counting the aircraft as British then the score would add up with the tail but if you're talking about Pilots nationalities I don't know |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 3:45:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 13starsinax:
edit: your edit: Ok, well that takes him out of it then. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 13starsinax:
Originally Posted By 13starsinax: Thank you, I am going to do some more reading. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 4:29:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dog1: Of course I never thought of this - he could actually have shot down free Polish Air Force pilots flying Spitfires. They would have British roundels on the wings even though they were flown by the Poles. Not to mention everybody else who fled their countries when the Germans invaded and made their way to England to fight. So if they're counting the aircraft as British then the score would add up with the tail but if you're talking about Pilots nationalities I don't know I am assuming that is how they scored their kills. I think you correct, but that photo does not have a tail number. So it makes it harder to figure. I know a lot of these photos are series of a stream. I have seen photos as if you were standing there you would have felt like the paparazi was filming. Propaganda shoots kind of all follow the same theme with the ace pilots. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 4:33:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By luv_the_huskers: 65 roundels on the tail there. Should narrow it down some if it is a JG54 bird. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 5:04:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/23/2019 5:33:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gopher:
Field expedient modification. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/1670/6-50_jpg-818840.JPG |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 8:24:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: somedude]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 13starsinax:
Again, thanks. I am assuming that is how they scored their kills. I think you correct, but that photo does not have a tail number. So it makes it harder to figure. I know a lot of these photos are series of a stream. I have seen photos as if you were standing there you would have felt like the paparazi was filming. Propaganda shoots kind of all follow the same theme with the ace pilots. could they have gotten some of them fighting over France as well. the Raf was there for a little bit. do they count knocked out on the ground as kills to? |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 10:20:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By somedude: no idea how the kill markings work. I think some of JG-26 flew all those aircraft as well. could they have gotten some of them fighting over France as well. the Raf was there for a little bit. do they count knocked out on the ground as kills to? I am learning too, and it is a cool subject. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 10:29:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Kalahnikid]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dog1:
Of course I never thought of this - he could actually have shot down free Polish Air Force pilots flying Spitfires. They would have British roundels on the wings even though they were flown by the Poles. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 10:36:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kalahnikid:
I remember reading in a book about them how much they frustrated the RAF command because not only did they dont speak English on the radio, they hated the Germans so much they would take enormous risk even to the detriment of the mission to kill Germans. Cant blame them though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kalahnikid:
Originally Posted By Dog1:
Of course I never thought of this - he could actually have shot down free Polish Air Force pilots flying Spitfires. They would have British roundels on the wings even though they were flown by the Poles. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 10:47:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gopher:
Field expedient modification. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/1670/6-50_jpg-818840.JPG That had to be stupid heavy and have a complex feed system. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 11:46:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UtahShotgunner:
Never seen a picture of that or a similar mod on a B-17. That had to be stupid heavy and have a complex feed system. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UtahShotgunner:
Originally Posted By Gopher:
Field expedient modification. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/1670/6-50_jpg-818840.JPG That had to be stupid heavy and have a complex feed system. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 11:53:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 13starsinax]
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Posted: 1/23/2019 11:53:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 13starsinax:
Well the pilot in question flew in every theater, he had kills in all of them and in all principal German "fighter" aircraft. I think ground kills were on each report as well, but I have only seen a few with them clearly marked on the tail. Stuka's obviously had them prominently marked. I am learning too, and it is a cool subject. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 13starsinax:
Originally Posted By somedude: no idea how the kill markings work. I think some of JG-26 flew all those aircraft as well. could they have gotten some of them fighting over France as well. the Raf was there for a little bit. do they count knocked out on the ground as kills to? I am learning too, and it is a cool subject. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 11:57:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/24/2019 12:00:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By luv_the_huskers: Ground kills were not counted on fighters. As far as I know they counted them for ground attack aircraft but not air superiority fighters.  Attached FileI am trying to find the photos I have seen before, but it had clearly marked ground kills and Ships. |
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Posted: 1/24/2019 12:26:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kalahnikid: What was the name of that project? They tried basically doubling up on guns on some experimental 17s and 24s but it didn't work out. |
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Posted: 1/24/2019 1:24:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: luv_the_huskers]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 13starsinax:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/303716/b59025e9cd7c51b95fdc5de519e3aa4c_jpg-819370.JPG I am trying to find the photos I have seen before, but it had clearly marked ground kills and Ships. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 13starsinax:
Originally Posted By luv_the_huskers: Ground kills were not counted on fighters. As far as I know they counted them for ground attack aircraft but not air superiority fighters. I am trying to find the photos I have seen before, but it had clearly marked ground kills and Ships. For example, Wilhelm Balthasar marked his ground kills on his tail/rudder, but they did not count towards his total victory tally. |
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Posted: 1/24/2019 1:35:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By luv_the_huskers: The Luftwaffe high command didn't count them, but it doesn't mean individual pilots didn't. The rudder markings were more for the point system for medals than an individual "kill" tally. This is not a universal method of score keeping is what I am driving at. For example, Wilhelm Balthasar marked his ground kills on his tail/rudder, but they did not count towards his total victory tally. |
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Posted: 1/24/2019 1:45:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UtahShotgunner: Never seen a picture of that or a similar mod on a B-17. That had to be stupid heavy and have a complex feed system. 
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Posted: 1/24/2019 6:07:08 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/24/2019 7:49:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Chokey]
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Posted: 1/24/2019 9:19:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gopher:
For the B-17 it was the YB-40. Chin turret, two top turrets, two belly turrets, offset waist gunners. They didn't upgrade the engines so they were slower than the group they were supporting. Chin turret and offset waist gunners were about the only improvements that came from it from the B-17F to G models. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gopher:
Originally Posted By Kalahnikid: What was the name of that project? They tried basically doubling up on guns on some experimental 17s and 24s but it didn't work out. 
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Posted: 1/24/2019 10:23:45 AM EDT
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PBY
 Attached FileMy Dad, waist gunner on a PBY, VPB 117 ( and thanks to Arfcom members for cleaning up pic)  Attached FileTheir scoreboard. 
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Posted: 1/24/2019 11:36:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Colt653]
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Quote Historyfactory setup 
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Posted: 1/24/2019 11:53:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gopher:
Field expedient modification. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/1670/6-50_jpg-818840.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gopher:
Field expedient modification. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/1670/6-50_jpg-818840.JPG This B-17G was fitted with an experimental chin turret armed with 6 fixed .50 cal. machine guns, designed by Armaments Officer Mike Mazer. The firing of the guns was controlled by the Pilot. Aircraft 42-31435 successfully completed many operational sorties with the new nose gun installation but, while conclusively proving the mechanical practicability of the design, a temporary cessation of head-on attacks by enemy attacks prevented the proof of its effectiveness. The ship crashed returning from a bombing mission on July 6, 1944. |
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Posted: 1/24/2019 4:07:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UtahShotgunner: Single belly turret, though some guns were mounted firing down/rear between belly and tail. http://dmn.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/YB-40-2.jpg [youtube]JVxtJULJ0KA?t=151[/youtube] |
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Posted: 1/24/2019 5:00:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gopher:
What's going on at about 2:30 in this video? Seems like this bird got shot down every week on 12'O Clock High.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVxtJULJ0KA?t=151Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gopher:
Originally Posted By UtahShotgunner: Single belly turret, though some guns were mounted firing down/rear between belly and tail. http://dmn.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/YB-40-2.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVxtJULJ0KA?t=151It is a view from below showing the belly and chin turrets. We're you thinking the forward pair was another ball turret? |
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Posted: 1/24/2019 5:08:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UtahShotgunner: Not sure what you are asking? It is a view from below showing the belly and chin turrets. We're you thinking the forward pair was another ball turret? |
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Posted: 1/24/2019 7:09:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gopher:
What's going on at about 2:30 in this video? Seems like this bird got shot down every week on 12'O Clock High. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVxtJULJ0KA?t=151Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gopher:
Originally Posted By UtahShotgunner: Single belly turret, though some guns were mounted firing down/rear between belly and tail. http://dmn.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/YB-40-2.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVxtJULJ0KA?t=151 |
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Posted: 1/24/2019 7:40:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxoSmaeXQAEkS2b.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxoSn2BXgAEDpO5.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxoSo2eWoAEw999.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxoSqHQX0AIxnOp.jpg
[youtube]lioRCye2Dug?t=51s[/youtube] |
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Posted: 1/24/2019 8:22:53 PM EDT
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we posted some pics of this battle but not sure if this video was shown. it details the larger part of the battle as well.
 Battle of Cologne 1945 - A young woman between the frontlines - The source |
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Posted: 1/26/2019 12:25:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dave15:
PBY https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/71410/PB4Y-2_Privateer_VP-23_in_flight_1__jpg-819628.JPG My Dad, waist gunner on a PBY, VPB 117 ( and thanks to Arfcom members for cleaning up pic) https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/71410/OFUG9Xs_jpg-819631.JPG Their scoreboard.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/71410/vp117_score_10jun99_2__jpg-819632.JPG  Anything else you can share about his experience?
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Posted: 1/26/2019 12:27:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jblomenberg16: For a long time I wondered if this clip was from a similar bomb strike, but sounds like it was actually a direct flack hit in the wing Watching the slow motion it had to be terrifying enough for the crew that they were hit, but then the spinning prop starts to slice into the fuselage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lioRCye2Dug?t=51s
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Posted: 1/29/2019 1:04:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Stryfe]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dave15:
PBY https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/71410/PB4Y-2_Privateer_VP-23_in_flight_1__jpg-819628.JPG My Dad, waist gunner on a PBY, VPB 117 ( and thanks to Arfcom members for cleaning up pic) https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/71410/OFUG9Xs_jpg-819631.JPG Their scoreboard.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/71410/vp117_score_10jun99_2__jpg-819632.JPG PBY is the Catalina. PB4Y is the liberator naval variant. |
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Posted: 2/4/2019 7:21:15 PM EDT
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Judas Goat. B17E 41-9100 379 Bomb Group, 525 th Bomb Group, 7-24-44 painted as a formation leader for large group raids.
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Posted: 2/4/2019 7:41:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dave15]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kalahnikid: Great pics! Anything else you can share about his experience?Cigars and beer, same every day for the last 80 years. He enlisted Jan of 43, on his 17th BDay. Wound up AMM3, in VPB 117, Pacific theater. Believe their tonnage records still stand. As he says, "We blew the shit outta stuff!" After the war ended, he spent months scuttling new US equipment. Uncrate, burn crates, load stuff, run it out and sink in ocean. Repeat. For months. Here he is on bike. Took a bad spill.racing on beach. Afcommer thought the crates were wing tanks. Mountains of them.  Attached FileOn the right.  Attached FileLot of stories. Getting caught stealing pies from the Officers Mess. " Borrowing " a motorcycle at Camp Kearney, CA, before heading over. I tracked down his pilot about 10 years ago, they hadn't spoken since 1946. My Dad got a call and they spent hours catching up. Last one of his crew now. Still has a lot of metal in his left eye, his "good one" that has really been troubling him lately. |
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Posted: 2/5/2019 12:09:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/5/2019 6:47:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gopher:
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Posted: 2/5/2019 8:55:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DOW:
Holy shit I would be pissed if I was on that crew...talk about a fighter magnet Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DOW:
Originally Posted By Gopher:
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Posted: 2/12/2019 2:30:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/12/2019 8:02:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: kar98k]
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ARFCOM got a photo credit on linked page  funny the things one notices in old pics, like the way socks were rolled in these 2 I found online... 
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Posted: 2/12/2019 8:08:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By somedude: thanks, I was thinking it was a trainer of some t Easy Company, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, US 101st Airborne Division https://66.media.tumblr.com/45a9841f950fb77b649e9e16741c29a1/tumblr_inline_phe5efYK1J1vtjpod_540.jpg I’m looking Ian Gardner’s book Deliver Us from Darkness about 3rd battalion of the 506th at Market Garden and this photo is captioned on the 167th page as, “This staged photograph shows a group from 326th Airborne Engineers passing a burnt-out GMC truck along Hoog Straat in Veghel.” |
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