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This map should embarrass the hell out of every conservative/republican:

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Try teaching high school chemistry to whole classes that have no understanding of fractions, ratio or proportions.

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Staying out of the classroom and at home for 1.5 - 2 years because of Chinafloo didn't help

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It started failing the taxpayers and teachers several decades past.

My measure of a teacher's college is proportional to the number of afternoons and nights available for partying, not hitting the books.  It's seven as near as I can determine.

When I was a kid, teachers educated in Arkansas came to Southern Missouri for better pay.  They were always considered poor teachers, warranted or not. That was more than warranted for one that had been a college football coach in Arkansas; useless teacher, but his real job was scouting football teams.

A few came from Oklahoma, but not many made it easy of Springfield.

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Anyone interested in a serious, thorough critique of the issue should read some JTG.

Most illuminating:
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Most insightful:

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I can’t do anything of those things and I have a Masters degree

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No child left behind.

As a parent with kids in school, we should be separating out the dummies and the violent ones from the well-behaved kids who just want to learn.  And the really smart overachievers should have advanced classes.

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Stupid people raising stupid kids. All of these things usually make perfect sense when you meet the parents. You couldn’t pay me any amount of money to be a teacher.

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Maybe that teacher needs to fail her students from attending the next grade

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Parents, yeah right, most are raised by the "mother", the father has been excluded by court order.

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It's 100% parenting.  Kids learn most things at home and then fill in some gaps at school.  

It's amazing what kids can do when you give them that individual attention as a parent.  Read to your kids, do math with your kids, do sports with your kids.  They are just little sponges at that age and can learn virtually anything if you have the patience to teach them.  

I think my kids have been read to 99% of the nights of their lives at this point (5 and 7) with only a few rare nights where we skip it.  Not a surprise that they both test in the 90th percentile or higher on everything.

That works for anything, not just reading, writing, and math.  There's some kids out there with incredible talents and behind every one of them is a patient parent that put in the work.

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No child left behind.
As a parent with kids in school, we should be separating out the dummies and the violent ones from the well-behaved kids who just want to learn.  And the really smart overachievers should have advanced classes.

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Try reading the 2nd book in lewis's space trilogy.

The sentences are complete and coherent... and you have NO idea what is going on.

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My daughter’s class was the first in the district that didn’t have to do spelling tests. Vocabulary tests were tossed also. Sentence structure and punctuation? Nobody got time for that.

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This was on another site. From what I gather in the thread, this is a normal high school not in a poor area.




I teach high school. Age range 15-18 years old. I have seen students who can't do the following:

-Read at grade level. Some come into my classroom at a 3rd/4th grade reading level. There are some students who cannot sound out words.

-Write a complete sentence. They don't capitalize the first letter of the sentence or the I's. They also don't add punctuation. I have seen a student write one whole page essay without a period.

-Spell simple words.

-Add or subtract double-digits. For example, they can't solve 27-13 in their head. They also cannot do it on paper. They need a calculator.

-Know their multiplication tables.

-Round

-Graph

-Understand the concept of negative.

-Understand percentages.

-Solve one-step variable equations. For example, if I tell them "2x = 8. Solve for x," they can't solve it. They would subtract by 2 on both sides instead of dividing by 2.

-Take notes.

-Follow an example. They have a hard time transferring the patterns that they see in an example to a new problem.

-No research skills. The phrases they use to google are too vague when they search for information. For example, if I ask them to research the 5 types of chemical reactions, they only type in "reactions" in Google. When I explain that Google cannot read minds and they have to be very specific with their wording, they just stare at me confused. But even if their search phrases are good, they do not click on the links. They just read the excerpt Google provided them. If the answer is not in the excerpts, they give up.

-Just because they know how to use their phones does not mean they know how to use a computer. They are not familiar with common keyboard shortcuts. They also cannot type properly. Some students type using their index fingers.

These are just some things I can name at the top of my head. I'm sure there are a few that I missed here.

Now, as a teacher, I try my best to fill in the gaps. But I want the general public to understand that when the gap list is this big, it is nearly impossible to teach my curriculum efficiently. This is part of the reason why teachers are quitting in droves. You ask teachers to do the impossible and then vilify them for not achieving it. You cannot expect us to teach our curriculum efficiently when students are grade levels behind. Without a good foundation, students cannot learn more complex concepts. I thought this was common sense, but I guess it is not (based on admin's expectations and school policies).

I want to add that there are high-performing students out there. However, from my experience, the gap between the "gifted/honors" population and the "general" population has widened significantly. Either you have students that perform exceptionally well or you have students coming into class grade levels behind. There are rarely students who are in between.

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When everyone is a failure we are equal. Why do you hate equality?

You ask teachers to do the impossible and then vilify them for not achieving it.

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It's a lack of expectations and accountability at home from parents.  Then when schools try to hold students accountable and to expectations, said parents throw a shit fit for being mean and cruel to their precious Littles.

I'm a teacher and I have kids with several Fs right now.  The school already took away their privilege to play sports.  Yet every day, without fail, there they are talking to their friends about how they played Fortnite or stayed up until 1 AM on snap chat or tik tok.  If I had Fs as a kid my playstation would never be seen again.  

Until measures are put in place to either hold parents just as accountable as their children for their education or force parents to do so, this problem will not get better.

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Uh... sir, are you suggesting that we should monitor teachers and how their classes are performing???!?!?!  These teachers are HEROS!  THE FRONT LINES!!!!!!!  Pass the kids no matter what so that these ABSOLUTE HEROS do not look bad!

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Has she tried having sex with them?

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I teach high school. Age range 15-18 years old. I have seen students who can't do the following:

-Read at grade level. Some come into my classroom at a 3rd/4th grade reading level. There are some students who cannot sound out words.

-Write a complete sentence. They don't capitalize the first letter of the sentence or the I's. They also don't add punctuation. I have seen a student write one whole page essay without a period.

-Spell simple words.

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I can't do anything of those things and I have a Masters degree

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I can’t do anything of those things and I have a Masters degree

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Mid 30s here, the only true thing I was “taught” in school was how to take the end of the year state tests to pass onto the next grade. 75% of school outside of proper grammar, spelling and intermediate math skills I haven’t used in my pretty successful career. Not once has my job asked me what day Roe v Wade was taken into effect or anything calculus. Kids today have a calculator in their pockets, as do we, how many times have you sat on a scratch pad and worked out a full math problem or did you just go to your calculator app?

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When the kids entered the school system they weren't grades behind. At some point their school and teachers failed them. Not holding teachers to account is how later grades of teachers are put into this position. Clearly, not holding teachers accountable isn't working.

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Try teaching high school chemistry to whole classes that have no understanding of fractions, ratio or proportions.

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Equality and diversity are strenghts, not deliberate weakness foisted upon us.    Note sarc face.



That is absolutely the case in my local schools - they will NOT fail anyone, period.  Bunch of bullshit, but there it is.

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Yeah, you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about.  A lot of these kids indeed are behind the moment they enter school.  They’ve never been read to, they’re socially dysfunctional, medicated, been raised by screens and never disciplined even at 5 years old.  They’re unable to be taught in this state until they’ve been deprogrammed.  

The kids that have been raised by responsible parents are indeed light years ahead even in kindergarten.

Like it or not, the first and most important educator in a kids life is their parents.  Adults who ignore this responsibility are the number one reason these kids are the way they are.