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Posted: 2/28/2019 2:57:15 AM EDT
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How are you determining this, on a professional level? What are the criteria that you must follow, as whatever your profession is, to make this yes/no decision? I am not a fan a miniature horse clopping into a restaurant either, I think it is ridiculous but I don't make these decisions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here's a proper use of a dog. I am not a fan a miniature horse clopping into a restaurant either, I think it is ridiculous but I don't make these decisions. I assure you it works. 
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Posted: 2/28/2019 3:23:58 AM EDT
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I can sign off based on the person’s need. I am not an animal trainer, You guys are telling me the mastiff is sweet. Fine. I accept your experience. But I don’t want to give service dog status to some untrained animal or really any animal so you can then fly with it or go to a restaurant. Nobody can challenge service dog status. I’m not giving somebody cover for that. |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 3:27:04 AM EDT
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So you are basically against signing off on ESA shit, but then felt it necessary to go full derp and bring in a specific breed of dog that obviously you've never owned.
Having owned 3 Italian Mastitis (Cane Corsos) I find your implied correlation that these are a bad breed somehow in order to justify your professional decision, then a need to start a thread about it to further your desire for affirmation from others pathetic. |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 3:43:19 AM EDT
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Those who hand out permission slips rarely know wtf they are doing... So is this really a surprise? Really?
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Posted: 2/28/2019 3:44:49 AM EDT
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I love those things. One of my friends in 4th grade had a bulllmastiff and he was a giant drooling teddy bear. He was so awesome. He loved to play and we used him like a pillow when we read comics. I wanted one very badly.
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Posted: 2/28/2019 3:54:40 AM EDT
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wait, is bimba a dog or a woman?
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Posted: 2/28/2019 4:34:01 AM EDT
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...and diabetes. |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 6:46:33 AM EDT
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OP's bed sheets stay wet
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Posted: 2/28/2019 7:09:39 AM EDT
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I have a bullmastiff. She was bred to keep the couch from floating up into space.
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Posted: 2/28/2019 7:10:39 AM EDT
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The Mastiff is one of the sweetest, most chill dogs you'll ever come across. In fact, the reason that the Bullmastiff (60% Mastiff/40% Bulldog) was even bred is because the Mastiff wasn't as agile and aggressive as they needed it to be. There is nothing to fear from a Mastiff.....unless you're in the process of injuring his human. In that case, you're probably going to get mauled by a 200 lb. dog. 
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Posted: 2/28/2019 7:13:20 AM EDT
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How about a Peacock!
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Posted: 2/28/2019 7:15:16 AM EDT
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You provide a letter over your signature. The problem is that professionals are signing off on untrained animals- chickens, ferrets, you name it. I’m not participating in this lunacy. Wiki says it simply: A service dog is a term used in the USA to refer to any type of assistance dog specifically trained to help people who have disabilities, such as visual impairment, hearing impairments, mental disorders, seizures, mobility impairment, and diabetes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Please explain- under what capacity are you "signing off" on a service dog? Are you certifying that you've trained the dog to perform a specific job for someone with a disability, or ???? Edit- how does a Doctor "sign off"/attest to a dogs performance? Is he/she a part time trainer? Edit 2- your post is about an emotional support dog NOT a service dog. I'm still curious how a Doctor "signs off" on a specific dogs ability and suitability to perform "emotional support". I’m not participating in this lunacy. Wiki says it simply: A service dog is a term used in the USA to refer to any type of assistance dog specifically trained to help people who have disabilities, such as visual impairment, hearing impairments, mental disorders, seizures, mobility impairment, and diabetes.
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Posted: 2/28/2019 7:19:57 AM EDT
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Nothing to fear? Not at all true. Tail strikes to the knees and balls, farts that could strip paint, and you could slip and fall on drool spots. Very dangerous creatures. 
My brother rescues and breeds Pressa Canarios (Spanish Mastiff). Of his 4, 2 he raised and are as sweet as candy to anyone they know. 200 lb and 160 lb. lap dogs. If they don't know you, it's game on though. His other two are rescues and are extremely aggressive towards anyone but him. Including his daughter. Which is why they stay outside in the kennels. They are absolutely beautiful girls though. Which is why he keeps them. |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 7:26:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/28/2019 7:30:49 AM EDT
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Do you know the difference between a service animal, and an emotional support animal?
If you're "signing off" on them, you'd better. |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 7:30:53 AM EDT
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WTF is a service horse? His "service" is you can ride him?
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Posted: 2/28/2019 7:31:17 AM EDT
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wait, is bimba a dog or a woman? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/234818/1346141f-8ec2-4545-ba25-09e9013010f7_zpscdd11a89-605281.jpg |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 7:36:16 AM EDT
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My mastiffs are glorious. Never knew I could try to get them on a plane. Will try now!
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Posted: 2/28/2019 7:48:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/28/2019 8:08:21 AM EDT
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Good no sign OP.
Fuck these kinds of people trying to work the system. If they actually need a service or emotional support dog, they need to get something that’s fucking appropriate. A giant bull mastiff is not. But much freedumb and my emotional support pit bull 
So much derp from people these days. What happened to people being reasonable and rational. Post above me fucking 1000% makes my point. 5 year old gets mauled by emotional support pit bull. There needs to be more regulation on these “emotional support” animals. Make them be trained to the same level as service dogs. If they can’t pass that, no emotional support animal status because they can’t appropriately be in public. |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 8:13:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Could I get you to sign off on my emotional support gun? |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 8:30:38 AM EDT
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I can sign off based on the person’s need. I am not an animal trainer, You guys are telling me the mastiff is sweet. Fine. I accept your experience. But I don’t want to give service dog status to some untrained animal or really any animal so you can then fly with it or go to a restaurant. Nobody can challenge service dog status. I’m not giving somebody cover for that. It’s all going to be ok. There really isn’t a problem here. You said no and that’s alright. |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 8:32:31 AM EDT
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This thread is confusing so I searched the net. It appears only licensed Mental Health Professionals can prescribe an ESA (emotional support animal). Medical doctors cannot. Is this correct? How did a General Practice Doc prescribe one? It also appears that the prescription is for an ESA, but NOT any specific animal. That would mean you would NOT be "signing off" on the dog, just the person. Is that correct? It seems pretty clear that ESA's do not have the rights/privileges of a service dog either. 
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Posted: 2/28/2019 8:36:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You provide a letter over your signature. The problem is that professionals are signing off on untrained animals- chickens, ferrets, you name it. I’m not participating in this lunacy. Wiki says it simply: A service dog is a term used in the USA to refer to any type of assistance dog specifically trained to help people who have disabilities, such as visual impairment, hearing impairments, mental disorders, seizures, mobility impairment, and diabetes. |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 9:12:15 AM EDT
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My mastiff needs emotional support.
200 pound pussy. |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 9:37:14 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/28/2019 9:41:10 AM EDT
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Ahh yes. The emotional support animal. The "look at me!" for veterans and liberal freeloaders alike.
Jesus fuck. If you need an emotional support anything - get your fucking shit together. Stop being such a gigantic pussy. |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 9:41:12 AM EDT
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I saw a great Dane service dog the other day. It actually looked like it worked well for the guy because it looked like a sight dog and was easy to hold onto the harness on it's back.
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Posted: 2/28/2019 9:45:25 AM EDT
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We had English mastiffs on the farm when I was growing up. They were great with kids, livestock, and other dogs. Really, all they did was sleep and fart. Why wouldn't they be as good as any other dog for that role? I mean, 99% of this "emotional support" stuff is bullshit anyway, so what difference does it make? I'm genuinely curious, not looking to argue.  Attached FilePS: Don't mess with his dragon. |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 9:51:04 AM EDT
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I’m not inflicting that on the world. An emotional support dog. |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 9:51:28 AM EDT
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The concept of an emotional support dog, or any other animal is fucking absurd. Grow the fuck up.
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Posted: 2/28/2019 9:53:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My DIL’s AST is a registered service dog. What’s the big deal. She doesn’t fly with him or shop with him. They car travel so he gets into the hotel without a bunch of bullshit. He stays in his crate. And he doesn’t fart much or drool. |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 9:54:31 AM EDT
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Can you imagine signing off on a beast like this? Though I could have legally. Told the guy it was outside the scope of my work and liability insurance wouldn’t cover it. Told him I never signed off on disability claims of any kind. A general practice doc gave it to him. (Bull mastiffs, as a breed, are some of the biggest wimps you'll ever meet) |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 10:01:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you’re a medical professional and have to deal with this, you seriously need to educate yourself. You don’t have to approve of anything, but you owe it to your patients to know what the hell the law is and what the various categories of animal are, and what an ESA letter is vs a service dog. You should be embarrassed about your willful ignorance. |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 10:03:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you’re a medical professional and have to deal with this, you seriously need to educate yourself. You don’t have to approve of anything, but you owe it to your patients to know what the hell the law is and what the various categories of animal are, and what an ESA letter is vs a service dog. You should be embarrassed about your willful ignorance. |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 10:06:27 AM EDT
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I train service dogs for many reasons and you dont have the authority to do that.
Good luck on court and let your insurance company know what you did... doc |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 10:10:38 AM EDT
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Buttmastiffs are often bred and trained to attack genitals. |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 10:16:03 AM EDT
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My 100lb American Mastiff and 180lb English Mastiff, they were both the runt, in their natural habitat. They are so ferocious...
OP, stay off my lawn. ETA My wife has RA. When she is having a flare and having problems walking, our baby (160lber) will walk right next to her so she can put her hand on him to help her steady herself. He learned to do this on his own, he wasn't taught it. |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 10:27:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/28/2019 10:32:53 AM EDT
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This thread is confusing so I searched the net. It appears only licensed Mental Health Professionals can prescribe an ESA (emotional support animal). Medical doctors cannot. Is this correct? How did a General Practice Doc prescribe one? It also appears that the prescription is for an ESA, but NOT any specific animal. That would mean you would NOT be "signing off" on the dog, just the person. Is that correct? It seems pretty clear that ESA's do not have the rights/privileges of a service dog either. |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 10:47:45 AM EDT
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Has OP "signed off" on other dogs before but just didnt want to on the mastiff mix?
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Posted: 2/28/2019 11:35:10 AM EDT
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Someone with little power and vast ignorance strikes again.
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Posted: 2/28/2019 12:01:03 PM EDT
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Can you imagine signing off on a beast like this? Though I could have legally. Told the guy it was outside the scope of my work and liability insurance wouldn’t cover it. Told him I never signed off on disability claims of any kind. A general practice doc gave it to him. What sort of paperwork? There is no real paperwork for a service animal, not even to fly. (At least Alaska Air doesn't require any.) A mastiff would make a great mobility dog. We know someone whose 180 lb Newfoundland is a mobility dog. His wife was permanently injured when a drunk driver hit their car. The dog is big enough that she can use him to support herself and pull herself up, something a smaller dog could not do. |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 12:03:29 PM EDT
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Oh I didn't forget, I've cleaned many walls and ceilings around here.
Sadly our drooly girl hasn't been with us for a few years, and our English has always been pretty dry mouthed. The puppy hasn't grown into her face yet, but she's a bullie and will probably make a mess. She was also 87lbs at the vets today. 
No way in hell I would parade them around in some degrading service dog vest, or make them visit a grocery store, though. They're most content holding the couch down at home. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nothing to fear? Not at all true. Tail strikes to the knees and balls, farts that could strip paint, and you could slip and fall on drool spots. Very dangerous creatures. 
You forgot about when they shake their heads and foot-long streamers of drool go flying everywhere. I remember seeing em stick to the ceiling a few times! I'm starting to side with OP on this!
Sadly our drooly girl hasn't been with us for a few years, and our English has always been pretty dry mouthed. The puppy hasn't grown into her face yet, but she's a bullie and will probably make a mess. She was also 87lbs at the vets today.
No way in hell I would parade them around in some degrading service dog vest, or make them visit a grocery store, though. They're most content holding the couch down at home. |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 12:06:27 PM EDT
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How does a dog aid people with mobility impairment? I could maybe use one if it could. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Please explain- under what capacity are you "signing off" on a service dog? Are you certifying that you've trained the dog to perform a specific job for someone with a disability, or ???? Edit- how does a Doctor "sign off"/attest to a dogs performance? Is he/she a part time trainer? Edit 2- your post is about an emotional support dog NOT a service dog. I'm still curious how a Doctor "signs off" on a specific dogs ability and suitability to perform "emotional support". I’m not participating in this lunacy. Wiki says it simply: A service dog is a term used in the USA to refer to any type of assistance dog specifically trained to help people who have disabilities, such as visual impairment, hearing impairments, mental disorders, seizures, mobility impairment, and diabetes. Mobility assistance dogs perform a variety of tasks for their human partners, like bumping the button on automatic doors, retrieving dropped items, and bringing out-of-reach objects to hand, such as a ringing phone. For dogs that will be placed with someone in a wheelchair, the animal can assist with pulling a wheelchair up a ramp if necessary. Other dogs may serve as a brace for people who are ambulatory, but suffer from balance and strength issues. With a properly retrofitted home, a mobility assistance dog can tug open doors, close them again, turn lights on and off, and summon help by finding another person in the house. In public, the mobility assistance dog is an invaluable helper, quietly serving its partner with tasks that would be difficult or impossible to do on their own. |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 12:11:20 PM EDT
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Freedom is scary |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 12:11:57 PM EDT
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@Terlinguachili
If someone with your "approval" got kicked out of a restaurant with their "service" animal, would the restaurant be in violation of ADA laws? Edit: I've worked multiple cases of the above. I've never heard of someone "signing off" on legitimate service animal certifications until your post today. |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 12:34:35 PM EDT
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That’s not how the law works. If someone has a service animal, I’m only BY LAW allowed to ask two questions. Is this a service animal required due to a disability? What work or task has the animal been trained to perform. His point is accurate. It’s dangerous to challenge a person with an animal that they are claiming is a service animal. Lawsuits are a very real threat. ETA: It’s common to have someone try to pass off a support dog as a service dog. I don’t want to lose my job over being wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can sign off based on the person’s need. I am not an animal trainer, You guys are telling me the mastiff is sweet. Fine. I accept your experience. But I don’t want to give service dog status to some untrained animal or really any animal so you can then fly with it or go to a restaurant. Nobody can challenge service dog status. I’m not giving somebody cover for that. Edit fixed typos. His point is accurate. It’s dangerous to challenge a person with an animal that they are claiming is a service animal. Lawsuits are a very real threat. ETA: It’s common to have someone try to pass off a support dog as a service dog. I don’t want to lose my job over being wrong. |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 12:38:56 PM EDT
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The OP has a serious lack of communication skills, that much is clear. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can sign off based on the person’s need. I am not an animal trainer, Seems that you are signing off on a liability you can never counter, with a knowledge you can never prove. If you don’t think you can get sued for something in this situation, then perhaps you are missing the fact that people sue over anything. Child’s face gets ripped off at an airport, all who have touched that case will be scrutinized. |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 12:40:58 PM EDT
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How are you determining this, on a professional level? What are the criteria that you must follow, as whatever your profession is, to make this yes/no decision? I am not a fan a miniature horse clopping into a restaurant either, I think it is ridiculous but I don't make these decisions. |
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