User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 10:48:37 AM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Guys that have experience with one, how do you think it would do for a grouse gun? |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 10:49:28 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
 Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
https://tombstonetactical.com/images/mossberg/51340-1.jpg This is also a "firearm" and cannot be sold to a person under 21. The shape of the grip is irrelevant. It's the length that counts. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 10:49:33 AM EDT
[#3]
I like mine, but don't think it has the punch of a longer barrel shotgun.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 10:53:50 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some would state you're using the wrong shells. The firstgen LCP was no fun after 15 rounds, it has notoriously bad recoil and handling, but they are carried regardless. Very few buying Shockwaves plan an afternoon at the trap and skeet range. It would be better to practice at paper plates at 25 feet - the working intent of the gun. I spotted a breacher pouch for $25 and I know it won't last long. Still researching MDC regs but I don't see it being illegal to hunt deer. The best mod recommended so far is threading it and screwing on a flash hider. Seems to extend reach and accuracy well. I suspect Mossberg might offer that. That's true but I still carry one of those! 
What flash hider are people putting on? I might be interested in that. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 11:00:52 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote History |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 11:04:13 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
What is the last adapter? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Stupid IMHO. 
https://cdn.athlonoutdoors.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2017/12/SB-Tactical-590-SBM4-1.jpg https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/IMG_2793.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ZSjTmi4.jpg |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 11:04:39 AM EDT
[#7]
The magazine fed version is better.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 11:08:26 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Man, I've seen pics of the shotgunner, I really thought this was a Serb thing. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 11:08:42 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Those are illegal configurations. A pistol grip makes it an aow, no matter what BS arfcom is spitting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Those are illegal configurations. A pistol grip makes it an aow, no matter what BS arfcom is spitting. https://www.remington.com/other-products/model-870-tac-14-arm-brace |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 11:13:36 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Those are illegal configurations. A pistol grip makes it an aow, no matter what BS arfcom is spitting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Those are illegal configurations. A pistol grip makes it an aow, no matter what BS arfcom is spitting. You're the only one here spitting BS. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 11:13:41 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
What came of this whole thing? Road rage deaded? Shirtless dude(s) charged? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Our shirtless heroes got into an argument with a felon with rage issues over a mattress getting dumped in a dumpster. Captain roid rage swings on the older moob brother, prompting his demise. And cancer’s cure is delayed once again. Fortunately, the rager’s woman vertically videoes the whole mess.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vp1mZPUsjUThe two gentlemen who prove that not all heroes wear capes...or t shirts, were arrested and charged, but got out on bail. Not sure what has happened since then. This all happened in the not too distant past so I'd kind of be surprised if anything more has developed. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 11:15:07 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Limp wristers say it's stupid, I have yet to read any of them willing to stand within 20 stupid yards from the end of it's stupid barrel with stupid 00 buck or stupid slugs and stupidly get shot. They have some very valid uses and they work well. Of course. I may be one of the few that get off my ass around here and go shoot and experiment with things but hey. I think Shockwaves are cool but your argument is garbage. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 11:20:04 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Would you volunteer to stand in front of a super soaker full of putrid urine? No? Does that validate it as well then? I think Shockwaves are cool but your argument is garbage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Limp wristers say it's stupid, I have yet to read any of them willing to stand within 20 stupid yards from the end of it's stupid barrel with stupid 00 buck or stupid slugs and stupidly get shot. They have some very valid uses and they work well. Of course. I may be one of the few that get off my ass around here and go shoot and experiment with things but hey. I think Shockwaves are cool but your argument is garbage. I can get hits nearly as far and as fast as with a stocked shotgun. I'm spending a lot of time bear hunting with one this year and if I wasn't confident in my ability to make a human kill within the ranges i encounter I wouldn't be waisting my time with it. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 11:24:47 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I couldn't really say, but I bought 2 Tac 14s off PSA for 269 each. I haven't shot them yet but I stuck a laser on one. I'm normally not a fan of lasers but in this case I can see the practicality. What laser did you put on? I have a TAC-14 and I'm noticing the lack of receiver drilling and tapping and the fact that the mag tube doesn't extend past the forend. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 11:29:00 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Typically I agree with the piss filled super soaker rebuttal but it's not really relevant here. I can get hits nearly as far and as fast as with a stocked shotgun. I'm spending a lot of time bear hunting with one this year and if I wasn't confident in my ability to make a human kill within the ranges i encounter I wouldn't be waisting my time with it. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 11:30:15 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Typically I agree with the piss filled super soaker rebuttal but it's not really relevant here. I can get hits nearly as far and as fast as with a stocked shotgun. I'm spending a lot of time bear hunting with one this year and if I wasn't confident in my ability to make a human kill within the ranges i encounter I wouldn't be waisting my time with it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Limp wristers say it's stupid, I have yet to read any of them willing to stand within 20 stupid yards from the end of it's stupid barrel with stupid 00 buck or stupid slugs and stupidly get shot. They have some very valid uses and they work well. Of course. I may be one of the few that get off my ass around here and go shoot and experiment with things but hey. I think Shockwaves are cool but your argument is garbage. I can get hits nearly as far and as fast as with a stocked shotgun. I'm spending a lot of time bear hunting with one this year and if I wasn't confident in my ability to make a human kill within the ranges i encounter I wouldn't be waisting my time with it. I think a custom breaching type scabbard with a Shockwave could actually make a knockabout gun but I’d have to shoot one for a while to see. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 11:35:02 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Our shirtless heroes got into an argument with a felon with rage issues over a mattress getting dumped in a dumpster. Captain roid rage swings on the older moob brother, prompting his demise. And cancer’s cure is delayed once again. Fortunately, the rager’s woman vertically videoes the whole mess. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vp1mZPUsjU |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 11:39:24 AM EDT
[#18]
I’m digging these. Honcho 410 spring operated
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 11:44:37 AM EDT
[#19]
Honest question of anyone has experience:
I have a 12 gauge shockwave and I agree with the comment that you need to aim for the belt buckle to hit a target in the chest, especially past 10 yards. Is the 20 gauge more controllable? |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 11:45:17 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Ok, I guess I'll be the one to point out the gigantic bulge in this guys pants. Jesus Christ, dude. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
I've been hunting with mine. Haven't seen a bear but it kills squirrels and grouse just fine. I've shot a few 3 guns with it as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmKKrZohavc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UevW_PJ3iHs
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/433221/KIMG0909_JPG-716195.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/433221/Effect_20181022_210048_jpg-716196.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/433221/KIMG0883_JPG-716198.JPG Maybe I'll post a topless one for spring turkey season Jesus Christ, dude. As simple IM to him would have been appropriate 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 11:48:31 AM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:
Honest question of anyone has experience: I have a 12 gauge shockwave and I agree with the comment that you need to aim for the belt buckle to hit a target in the chest, especially past 10 yards. Is the 20 gauge more controllable? |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 11:52:57 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've gotten a few so far this year |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 11:58:26 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Thanks. I think it would work well for putting on side of your pack while hiking and getting that opportunistic grouse. In states that allow hunting them with rim fire I’ll just use a suppressed 22 pistol but that’s not a legal take method in NV Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I've gotten a few so far this year  Attached FileNot a great option for hitting flushes but good for walking into an area. I carry a few rounds of bird shot in my left pocket (also what might have spawned the new title) for when I know there are bird that are about to flush. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 12:01:39 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I got Shockwave and Jetfire the same Christmas. 85 I think. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 12:13:07 PM EDT
[#25]
@03RN
Now your going to be forever known in GD for your junk. Not at all for your defensive shooting skills. GD is gonna GD. BTW: We need another challenge thread! |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 12:16:42 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ought.. as in double 00.. not odd. You wouldn’t say 30 “odd” 6 when referring to a .30-06 would you? .. and the shockwave is a regular 12 gauge.. just short barreled and missing a stock.. You need to shoot it a few times, and figure It out, unless your a weekling or elderly the recoil is very manageable even with slugs..it’s just as effective as a stocked shotgun with enough practice.. If you want to be a grammar Nazi at least be correct. Aught |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 12:20:24 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 24" folded. I'd want to see an ATF letter specific to that particular setup before I got one. I'm not saying it is a test case to see if the BATF thinks the overall measurement for a non-NFA weapon is with the with the pistol brace folded or extended as the do with folding stocked rifles, but I would not want to find out the hard way. https://suarezinternational.com/suarez-tac-14-folding-arm-brace-system-12ga/ |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 12:20:32 PM EDT
[#28]
Oughta said Aught. Is that double OTT?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 12:22:34 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Defending the alley dumpster from unwanted mattresses.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 12:28:50 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Typically I agree with the piss filled super soaker rebuttal but it's not really relevant here. I can get hits nearly as far and as fast as with a stocked shotgun. I'm spending a lot of time bear hunting with one this year and if I wasn't confident in my ability to make a human kill within the ranges i encounter I wouldn't be waisting my time with it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Limp wristers say it's stupid, I have yet to read any of them willing to stand within 20 stupid yards from the end of it's stupid barrel with stupid 00 buck or stupid slugs and stupidly get shot. They have some very valid uses and they work well. Of course. I may be one of the few that get off my ass around here and go shoot and experiment with things but hey. I think Shockwaves are cool but your argument is garbage. I can get hits nearly as far and as fast as with a stocked shotgun. I'm spending a lot of time bear hunting with one this year and if I wasn't confident in my ability to make a human kill within the ranges i encounter I wouldn't be waisting my time with it.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 12:29:14 PM EDT
[#31]
As far as what it might be good for. If I were allowed to have a gun at my office I would have the semi auto version with the double stacked magazine loaded with plated 00Buck. With a laser and light that might be the perfect active shooter response.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 12:39:22 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I like mine, but don't think it has the punch of a longer barrel shotgun. 12 gauge velocity by the inch from the article; "The point where there was a sharp drop in muzzle velocity was the place we were looking to pinpoint and on average the difference from the 30-inch barrel all the way down to 12 inches only gradually declined approximately 200 fps. In our opinion, that is quite consistent for such a drastic difference in length. It was below 12 inches however, that the velocity started to drop quickly. With a drop of only 200 fps in the first 18 inches of barrel reduction, the next 6 inches produced a smooth and consistent drop falling 250 fps when decreased from 12 inches in length to 6.875 inches in length. If there is indeed a magic number for barrel length where muzzle velocity rapidly declines, that number would seem to hover around 12 inches in length." Chart from the article is unavailable but here is something from a different source; 
In this chart we see the velocity difference between the 18" barrel (KSG) and the 14" barrel (Shockwave) to be less than 70fps. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 12:41:05 PM EDT
[#33]
This place is costing me more money.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 12:47:51 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Typically I agree with the piss filled super soaker rebuttal but it's not really relevant here. I can get hits nearly as far and as fast as with a stocked shotgun. I'm spending a lot of time bear hunting with one this year and if I wasn't confident in my ability to make a human kill within the ranges i encounter I wouldn't be waisting my time with it. is that on the regular license, or an extra tag? |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 12:52:38 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
wow. is that on the regular license, or an extra tag? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Typically I agree with the piss filled super soaker rebuttal but it's not really relevant here. I can get hits nearly as far and as fast as with a stocked shotgun. I'm spending a lot of time bear hunting with one this year and if I wasn't confident in my ability to make a human kill within the ranges i encounter I wouldn't be waisting my time with it. is that on the regular license, or an extra tag? |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 1:38:20 PM EDT
[#36]
I'd buy the semi auto if it were less expensive. Not a pump fan.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 1:47:55 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ought.. as in double 00.. not odd. You wouldn’t say 30 “odd” 6 when referring to a .30-06 would you? .. and the shockwave is a regular 12 gauge.. just short barreled and missing a stock.. You need to shoot it a few times, and figure It out, unless your a weekling or elderly the recoil is very manageable even with slugs..it’s just as effective as a stocked shotgun with enough practice.. And no it's not just another shotgun, and no it's not manageable with slugs or full power 00 odd buck. It's a bitch, quit filling everybody full of shit, it's a bear to hang on to if your not ready, unlike a stocked shotgun which you aim in a normal way! You want to hit something aim it turbo. Even with LE double odd buck. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 1:49:09 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I posted this in the Shotgun forum; Personally, I like my 12ga Mossberg Shockwave so much, I have also purchased a Shockwave in .410 as well as a Remington TAC-14 in 12ga too! I would not recommend it to someone as a FIRST firearm or ONLY firearm that fires shotshells but it does have niche uses for experienced shotgunners (not trying to sound Tier-1, just saying). I mounted a receiver top rail and TLR-8 ligth/laser combo on my 12ga Mossberg Shockwave. Even with the heaviest 3" Magnum loads it is very controllable shooting from the hip or a "low ready" position. It is Very easy to maneuver in tight spaces. I keep the laser adjusted parallel to the bore axis so I always know the muzzle is pointed ~2" below the projected red dot. My .410 Shockwave is loaded with #9 shot for use against rats and snakes. It shoots so light that I have no problem using a slightly canted cheek weld in order to line up the receiver flat and front bead for a traditional shotgun sight picture. My Rem.TAC-14 does NOT have a drilled and tapped receiver top (a shame because it would have been so easy to do at the factory) but I am looking into a replacement front cap with an integrated light/laser + 1 extension. I don't know. As is, it balances very well. I may go the "brace" route to turn it into a more handy 12ga. firearm. I haven't decided yet. These guns are much more than novelties. With a little thought and practice (and maybe a few add-ons) they can serve and excel in very necessary roles. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 1:52:36 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Guys that have experience with one, how do you think it would do for a grouse gun? |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 1:53:46 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've gotten a few so far this year 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 1:55:20 PM EDT
[#41]
I'm thinking that this would work well with a scabbard on my wheelchair.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 2:13:14 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Honest question of anyone has experience: I have a 12 gauge shockwave and I agree with the comment that you need to aim for the belt buckle to hit a target in the chest, especially past 10 yards. Is the 20 gauge more controllable? |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 2:24:28 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody says outht here, we always double odd, 30 odd 6. you say it your way I'll say it mine, if it bugs you tough shit. And no it's not just another shotgun, and no it's not manageable with slugs or full power 00 odd buck. It's a bitch, quit filling everybody full of shit, it's a bear to hang on to if your not ready, unlike a stocked shotgun which you aim in a normal way! You want to hit something aim it turbo. Even with LE double odd buck. Second of all any grown man should be able to “manage” or hold on to a shockwave.. hell my 8 year old son loves the thing, now I won’t load the tube with slugs for him, but He has shot a few rounds of high brass #4s and buck in his day and manages not to wine or cry about it, or have it slip from his hands.. I’m honestly beginning to wonder if all the hate for shockwaves or 12 gauges in general stems from jealousy of those that are to week actually use them.. It’s a 12 Gauge, much like the stocked version, it’s gonna kick.. big Fucking deal.. hold it like a man, point it at something, pull the trigger and hold onto it.. Third, if you actually decided to shoot it enough times instead of crying about recoil, you would soon discover you can pull up and hit shit much faster then a shotgun with a stock.. shoot it enough and you can actuallly hit shit reliably with out even using the bead.. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 2:42:15 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Nobody says outht here, we always double odd, 30 odd 6. you say it your way I'll say it mine, if it bugs you tough shit. And no it's not just another shotgun, and no it's not manageable with slugs or full power 00 odd buck. It's a bitch, quit filling everybody full of shit, it's a bear to hang on to if your not ready, unlike a stocked shotgun which you aim in a normal way! You want to hit something aim it turbo. Even with LE double odd buck. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Ought.. as in double 00.. not odd. You wouldn't say 30 "odd" 6 when referring to a .30-06 would you? .. and the shockwave is a regular 12 gauge.. just short barreled and missing a stock.. You need to shoot it a few times, and figure It out, unless your a weekling or elderly the recoil is very manageable even with slugs..it's just as effective as a stocked shotgun with enough practice.. And no it's not just another shotgun, and no it's not manageable with slugs or full power 00 odd buck. It's a bitch, quit filling everybody full of shit, it's a bear to hang on to if your not ready, unlike a stocked shotgun which you aim in a normal way! You want to hit something aim it turbo. Even with LE double odd buck. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 2:46:52 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I’m digging these. Honcho 410 spring operated It has a ton of features for $250. Downside it's made by the Turks. I'd rather buy Chinese over Turkish.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 2:50:59 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Never heard that, it is double odd. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted: Ought.. as in double 00.. not odd. You wouldn't say 30 "odd" 6 when referring to a .30-06 would you? .. and the shockwave is a regular 12 gauge.. just short barreled and missing a stock.. You need to shoot it a few times, and figure It out, unless your a weekling or elderly the recoil is very manageable even with slugs..it's just as effective as a stocked shotgun with enough practice.. And no it's not just another shotgun, and no it's not manageable with slugs or full power 00 odd buck. It's a bitch, quit filling everybody full of shit, it's a bear to hang on to if your not ready, unlike a stocked shotgun which you aim in a normal way! You want to hit something aim it turbo. Even with LE double odd buck. Buck and slugs have been fine, but I'm not using 3" shells out of this thing. I'm tempted to try a few though. If normal buck/slugs hurt out of this idk what to say.  Attached File |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 3:02:03 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Never heard that, it is double odd. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 3:13:40 PM EDT
[#48]
I'd like to offer a brief break from the meat gazing with a nice deal on the SBM4 brace kit for the 590 shockwave:
I just purchased one for $100 bucks. https://www.primaryarms.com/sb-tactical-sbm4-brace-mossberg-shockwave-590-sbm4-01-sb 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 3:15:26 PM EDT
[#49]
Really good deal.
The Adapter/Hogue Grip is usually like $70-ish alone iirc. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/25/2018 3:18:08 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Guys that have experience with one, how do you think it would do for a grouse gun?  Attached File |
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
