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Posted: 12/15/2017 7:21:02 AM EDT
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When I was a kid I got a job as a waiter at a larger restaurant.
My first night closing I was told to clock out, then clean the entire place. 
Apparently this had been their practice for years and still is. I quit on the spot. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 7:23:25 AM EDT
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So the store is tasking the male employees with protecting the female employees off the clock? lol |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 7:28:30 AM EDT
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The employer is making a mistake on a couple levels.
No, you can't force someone to punch out and stay. Ridiculous. No, you can't force someone to punch out, stay, AND become a security escort. Ultra ridiculous. If the area is that bad, he needs to hire a security firm to swing by at closing time and be in the parking lot for an hour while all of the employees filter out. I don't think it would be out of line to ask the local PD to have a patrol car hang out at closing time either. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 7:30:33 AM EDT
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I miss NorCal_LEO.
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Posted: 12/15/2017 7:34:11 AM EDT
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Wouldn't be an issue if they could carry at work.  .
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Posted: 12/15/2017 8:04:26 AM EDT
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Only a Communist would expect labor to work for free, or Democrat owning slaves. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sounds like a bunch of union members in here. Anything to fuck the company, god forbid a small portion of your highly skilled labor goes unpaid. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 8:06:31 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/15/2017 8:08:06 AM EDT
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Why does this kind of thing never happen to me
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Posted: 12/15/2017 8:10:50 AM EDT
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When I "clock out" my shift is over. I leave. I put clock out in quotes because I don't actually punch a clock in my line of work. But when my eight hour shift is over that's it. I'm not obligated to do anything more unless I want to and I get paid for it. So if I'm driving home and the phone rings if I pull over to answer it I get paid and it's a minimum of thirty minutes at time and a half just for answering the phone even if it takes five minutes.
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Posted: 12/15/2017 8:16:24 AM EDT
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When i was a grocery store manager we had the same rule regarding leaving together. They also tried to make hourly employees pull that shit with clocking out early. I would tell them to stay on the clock and "straighten shelves", since my job by necessity often involved being there after closing.
The real reason is probably because there are always supposed to be at least two people in the store if anyone is there at all times. Safety reasons were always the cited reason we got, although outside of certain equipment it's hardly a dangerous job. Even the bigwigs wouldn't go into a store alone and directions were that even if it was for pre-opening setup on ad change days we were to wait for another person to arrive to enter. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 8:27:08 AM EDT
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State labor dept would probability go after them for back pay. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 8:35:03 AM EDT
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Wal-mart was super slammed in a lawsuit. My company I work for 3M noticed lawsuit and changed there policy because of it. My old Sheriffs office I worked for required unpaid commute in Patrol car to patrol area so you would start shift there. It was a large county, up to 1/2 hour commute.
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Posted: 12/15/2017 8:42:28 AM EDT
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Not ok. Before Dick's bought Galyans, Galyans was sued for the exact same thing. Everyone got back pay plus some token penalty.
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Posted: 12/15/2017 8:44:29 AM EDT
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Is he doing ‘work’ or is this more of a voluntary thing?
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Posted: 12/15/2017 8:49:56 AM EDT
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Easy to fix. Don't clock out till everyone else does. If you have to stay, you are still on the clock. Always be at the end of the line. If you aren't going to leave first because of this rule, don't be the earliest on the time clock. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 8:50:49 AM EDT
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As mentioned up thread, seems like a lot of people here would be rightfully pissed with Amazon's legal noncompensation policy for clocking out and making you wait for security to leave.
https://www.cnet.com/news/supreme-court-amazon-doesnt-have-to-pay-workers-for-security-check-hours/ Not sure how the grocery store clock out actually would pkay out in courts, but seems it could be similar. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 9:05:11 AM EDT
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Sounds like a bunch of union members in here. Anything to fuck the company, god forbid a small portion of your highly skilled labor goes unpaid. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 9:08:24 AM EDT
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Someone ate paint chips as a kid. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 9:19:58 AM EDT
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If you are told to stay, they have to pay. The end.
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Posted: 12/15/2017 9:23:53 AM EDT
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My first dept had LEOs coming in 15 minutes early for roll call, but we couldn't clock in.
The PD got the shit sued out of them and ended up paying back pay at the current LEO's pay rate. Some of the LEOs got like 20+ years of back pay too. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 9:24:41 AM EDT
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Sounds like a bunch of union members in here. Anything to fuck the company, god forbid a small portion of your highly skilled labor goes unpaid. In other words, if they are making me do anything that is directed by the company.....they are paying me. Period. Sorry. It's not about getting fucked by the company. Working for pay means that I trade time and labor for money. If the company expects to use my time and labor, I damn sure expect to receive money for that time and labor. If I'm paid by the hour, I'm not giving up 1/4 hour every day (1.25 hour per week in a 5 day week, 5 hours a month) for free. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 9:27:04 AM EDT
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Easy to fix. Don't clock out till everyone else does. If you have to stay, you are still on the clock. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 9:29:22 AM EDT
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So the store is tasking the male employees with protecting the female employees off the clock? lol |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 9:30:13 AM EDT
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My first dept had LEOs coming in 15 minutes early for roll call, but we couldn't clock in. The PD got the shit sued out of them and ended up paying back pay at the current LEO's pay rate. Some of the LEOs got like 20+ years of back pay too. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 9:33:43 AM EDT
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Leave it up to hourly grocery store employees to worry about 15 fucking minutes unpaid.
Tell your buddy to worry less about this, and more about how to climb the ladder and implement better policies once hes the manager. If he ever gets a higher level position or finds himself in an office job, he'll be expected to regularly work before and after the stated "8-5" without extra compensation. Welcome to adulting. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 9:33:45 AM EDT
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Easy to fix. Don't clock out till everyone else does. If you have to stay, you are still on the clock. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 9:57:22 AM EDT
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Leave it up to hourly grocery store employees to worry about 15 fucking minutes unpaid. Tell your buddy to worry less about this, and more about how to climb the ladder and implement better policies once hes the manager. If he ever gets a higher level position or finds himself in an office job, he'll be expected to regularly work before and after the stated "8-5" without extra compensation. Welcome to adulting. 
There are all sorts of potentially BAD consequences for the employee for being there in an official capacity while "off the clock," some of which are discussed in this thread, like workers comp not paying to cover medical bills, CGL insurance policies not paying damages, disability insurance not paying, etc. Welcome to real adulting. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 9:58:57 AM EDT
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Leave it up to hourly grocery store employees to worry about 15 fucking minutes unpaid. Tell your buddy to worry less about this, and more about how to climb the ladder and implement better policies once hes the manager. If he ever gets a higher level position or finds himself in an office job, he'll be expected to regularly work before and after the stated "8-5" without extra compensation. Welcome to adulting. You know, you can be an "adult" and still be a fool. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 10:03:34 AM EDT
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Leave it up to hourly grocery store employees to worry about 15 fucking minutes unpaid. Tell your buddy to worry less about this, and more about how to climb the ladder and implement better policies once hes the manager. If he ever gets a higher level position or finds himself in an office job, he'll be expected to regularly work before and after the stated "8-5" without extra compensation. Welcome to adulting. I have had several of those conversations with employers. And I came away with a "win" every time, because I had studied the FLSA. Not to be "that guy" but the employer was, IMO, abusive. BTW, IIRC; WalMart got slammed but Amazon didn't. Again, IIRC; WalMart was making employees work OT without pay. Amazon was making them go through bag check on their way out. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 10:04:29 AM EDT
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Leave it up to hourly grocery store employees to worry about 15 fucking minutes unpaid. Tell your buddy to worry less about this, and more about how to climb the ladder and implement better policies once hes the manager. If he ever gets a higher level position or finds himself in an office job, he'll be expected to regularly work before and after the stated "8-5" without extra compensation. Welcome to adulting. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 10:05:41 AM EDT
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Tell them he identifies as female, wants to get paid for the extra 15 minutes a day and wants an escort to his car.
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Posted: 12/15/2017 10:05:50 AM EDT
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So the store is tasking the male employees with protecting the female employees off the clock? lol |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 10:11:39 AM EDT
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Personally, I wouldn't care. If that was the norm, and it was for the safety of everyone, and we are only talking 15 minutes.... I'd be fine with that policy.
People get wrapped around the axles on arfcom, when it comes to hourly pay. I guess I have been working salary for so long, I am just used to long hours for the same money. 
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Posted: 12/15/2017 10:12:49 AM EDT
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Sounds like a bunch of union members in here. Anything to fuck the company, god forbid a small portion of your highly skilled labor goes unpaid. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 10:13:19 AM EDT
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Does it take 15 min. for everyone closing to punch out?
Why are closing people not quitting work at the same time.? Did they start at the same time? Are those late punching out because of something like reconciling tills? |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 10:13:32 AM EDT
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Easy to fix. Don't clock out till everyone else does. If you have to stay, you are still on the clock. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 10:17:01 AM EDT
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Why do those women need to be walked out? Are they all felons? Tell them to get a firearm.
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Posted: 12/15/2017 10:17:34 AM EDT
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Sounds a bit like the situation at Amazon. Warehouse workers were required to clock out, then wait in line (~45 minutes) to be searched before leaving the building. Workers sued. Amazon won. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 10:18:17 AM EDT
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Leave it up to hourly grocery store employees to worry about 15 fucking minutes unpaid. Tell your buddy to worry less about this, and more about how to climb the ladder and implement better policies once hes the manager. If he ever gets a higher level position or finds himself in an office job, he'll be expected to regularly work before and after the stated "8-5" without extra compensation. Welcome to adulting. No thanks. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 10:21:13 AM EDT
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Leave it up to hourly grocery store employees to worry about 15 fucking minutes unpaid. Tell your buddy to worry less about this, and more about how to climb the ladder and implement better policies once hes the manager. If he ever gets a higher level position or finds himself in an office job, he'll be expected to regularly work before and after the stated "8-5" without extra compensation. Welcome to adulting. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 10:25:00 AM EDT
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Please explain how 'adulting' is giving away your time to someone else? Seems kind of childish actually. I mean, adults and all stick up for themselves rather than be a doormat. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Leave it up to hourly grocery store employees to worry about 15 fucking minutes unpaid. Tell your buddy to worry less about this, and more about how to climb the ladder and implement better policies once hes the manager. If he ever gets a higher level position or finds himself in an office job, he'll be expected to regularly work before and after the stated "8-5" without extra compensation. Welcome to adulting. He has multiple choices but has chosen instead just to bitch. He could: 1) If he's still there, remain clocked in but find something to do, so no one can say he isn't working - sounds like this is what everyone else is doing. 2) Document the amount of time he's not being paid for, confront his manager and ask wtf - this probably comes with the ultimatum "suck it up or find a new job" 3) Clock out, find something to do and ensure his or other management regularly notices or is made aware of him working off the clock on a regular basis, do this for a few months and then use it as a basis for a raise or promotion. In the real world, there's difference between standing up for yourself, and accepting your position. Working 20 hours over without comp every week and no promotion potential in sight, makes no sense. But working an hour over on a daily basis to get something done on time, or to get ahead of schedule is a great way to climb the ladder. If you aren't willing to sacrifice and slit throats on your way up, you can be proud of standing up for yourself at 60k a year forever while the guy who did is your boss's boss making 250. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 10:25:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone who uses the term "adulting" is an adolescent playing grown up. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 10:25:54 AM EDT
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I would stay, but not clock out until everyone else does
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Posted: 12/15/2017 10:29:50 AM EDT
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Reminds me of the donning and doffing case. A lot of animal agri companies were sued for a shitload of back pay.
Basically companies wouldn't allow employees to punch their time card until they showered in and got dressed (donning), and had to clock out before they got undressed (doffing) and showered back out. The courts said the company required them to shower and dress at their facility, so that time should have been included on their time cards all along. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 10:32:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You damn kids and your rock'n'roll! As in...."I want to do all the fun adult stuff but somebody needs to pay my cell phone bill"
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Posted: 12/15/2017 10:33:43 AM EDT
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Ummmm...don't clock out until you leave? This isn't rocket science.
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Posted: 12/15/2017 10:39:51 AM EDT
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Your buddy needs to learn some negotiation skills. The first time that happened the next day he should've stayed clocked in. When they confronted me about when I'm in OT, I'd explain my time isn't free. If they stayed persistent, I would have asked them to put it in writing.
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Posted: 12/15/2017 10:47:12 AM EDT
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Sounds like a bunch of union members in here. Anything to fuck the company, god forbid a small portion of your highly skilled labor goes unpaid. BTW, 15 minutes a night is 1.25 a week, 50 weeks a year, times $11 an hour retail clerk wages, so it's stealing $701.25 a year out of your paycheck. The .Gov doesn't get the taxes, SS is cheated, Worksman's comp shorted, state unemployment shorted, liability increased. In a store crew average of say, ten employees thats $7k each store times what, 5,000 locations nationwide, you have $35 MILLION dollars you are talking about. God forbid a small portion of the US Government goes unpaid. All because somebody thinks employees are serfs to be abused and have less rights than you. I perceive a sense that people paid less are less human? Sorry your girl lost. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 10:54:26 AM EDT
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Sounds like a bunch of union members in here. Anything to fuck the company, god forbid a small portion of your highly skilled labor goes unpaid. After all, it's just a "small portion" of their payroll. Anyway, I wouldn't bother clocking in if I were you, Dan; doubt you'll be here long. 
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Posted: 12/15/2017 10:57:31 AM EDT
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By requiring the employees to remain on premises without pay it's an FLSA violation. A lawsuit should be a slam-dunk. I believe the look back period on these is three years. |
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