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Originally Posted By Solace22: honest question on a scale of 1-10 how big of a deal is war with Iran? 1 being desert storm level push over, 10 being complete nuclear war across the globe, end of civilization likely. View Quote I have read from some somewhat credible sources that Iran has enough conventional missiles to completely destroy the entirety of oil production in the region. And has stated public ally that if attacked they will destroy oil production. Apparently, they have the capability in conventional capability that they can easily saturate the environment and overwhelm our ability to shoot down and/or otherwise neutralize them. I don’t know how true that is or is not so take it with a grain of salt. Assuming it’s true it would wreak havoc on the world’s economies as the cost of oil would sky rocket. It could also be 100% unmitigated bullshit that’s designed to get us to think twice before attacking Iran. There’s a reason we don’t go after Iran and to be honest I’m not really sure why we don’t. |
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Originally Posted By AROKIE: Iran is using Hezbollah to start a war with us, we are being drawn right into there plans. Iran's leaders need to be taken out. Because Irans population does not want war, you take out the leaders the population there will do the rest. View Quote There were three opportunities to take out the regime during the Arab Spring era and for some reason our leadership at the time refused to advance those opportunities even though we supported it elsewhere like Egypt and Libya…why allow the regime to remain intact unless you need it as either a pariah or proxy |
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Originally Posted By Ruark: I hope not, but it's looking that way. A ground war with Iran would be catastrophic, for many reasons: - Iran is BIG. At least 5 times bigger than Iraq. 3 times bigger than Afghanistan. Full of empty desert and rugged desert mountain ranges. Getting military forces in place, mobile and supplied would be a stupendous task, if possible at all. The only way to get to it is through the Gulf of Oman. - Iran's population dwarves other middle eastern countries: about 90,000,000. - It has a technologically advanced air defense system - mobile and fixed, single and multiple target capable. - It has a big military; over 1 million active and reserve, with tens of millions ready to draft and chanting "death to America!" No, they can't match the U.S. by the numbers, and in general their weaponry is not first-tier, but they certainly wouldn't be pushovers. Iraq and Afghanistan would be a walk in the park compared to Iran. If they decide to roll up their sleeves and jump into this conflict, God help us. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Ruark: Gentlemen, I do believe we are at the brink. I hope not, but it's looking that way. A ground war with Iran would be catastrophic, for many reasons: - Iran is BIG. At least 5 times bigger than Iraq. 3 times bigger than Afghanistan. Full of empty desert and rugged desert mountain ranges. Getting military forces in place, mobile and supplied would be a stupendous task, if possible at all. The only way to get to it is through the Gulf of Oman. - Iran's population dwarves other middle eastern countries: about 90,000,000. - It has a technologically advanced air defense system - mobile and fixed, single and multiple target capable. - It has a big military; over 1 million active and reserve, with tens of millions ready to draft and chanting "death to America!" No, they can't match the U.S. by the numbers, and in general their weaponry is not first-tier, but they certainly wouldn't be pushovers. Iraq and Afghanistan would be a walk in the park compared to Iran. If they decide to roll up their sleeves and jump into this conflict, God help us. folks that believe we are gonna get into a ground war with iran aint got the brains god gave an animal cracker. would require a draft, buildup of munitions, training. this country would only support such a thing if iran directly was involved in something like a nuke strike on this country. the logistics alone are huge. no other nation is gonna support a ground war with iran unless its part of wwIII. the only way to effectively hit iran is with nukes. nukes would get the job done. start by hitting key sites and walk it in. but now you are talking wwIII again. a real war with iran simply isnt gonna happen. those that thinks so have no grasp on reality. |
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Hezbollah doesn't have air, armor, or conventional artillery. And the IDF is over twice as big as it was last week.
They can spend a lot of lives taking some border towns and get rooted out but I don't know what else they think they're going to do. |
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Originally Posted By HIPPO: @CarmelBytheSea Please stay and continue to contribute. Many of us greatly appreciate your contributions. The strategic perspective you are sharing is critical to understanding what is playing out before our very eyes. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HIPPO: Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: No carry on, I’ll bow out. I have a bad tendency to want to move on to the big picture. I’ve received that criticism is my past OERs and still haven’t learned my lesson in civilian life. @CarmelBytheSea Please stay and continue to contribute. Many of us greatly appreciate your contributions. The strategic perspective you are sharing is critical to understanding what is playing out before our very eyes. Seconded. |
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Originally Posted By 0002s: Jews, "Good luck with that gorilla warfare". Blow every building up View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 0002s: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Click To View Spoiler Hamas Attack on Israel Brings New Scrutiny of Group's Ties to Iran Officials from Iran and Hezbollah helped plan the attack, people familiar with the operation said, but the U.S. and its allies have not found evidence directly linking Tehran. 1m ago Hamas rockets launching toward Israel last weekend from Gaza. Iran has helped Hamas design and produce a domestic missile and rocket system. Hamas rockets launching toward Israel last weekend from Gaza. Iran has helped Hamas design and produce a domestic missile and rocket system.Fatima Shbair/Associated Press Oct. 13, 2023, 5:48 a.m. ET Last weekend's attack on Israel by Hamas has brought renewed scrutiny of the armed Palestinian group's longstanding relationship with Iran, and questions about whether the Gaza-based group could have pulled off such a sophisticated and devastating operation on its own. Iran has a long history of training and arming proxy militia groups in the region, from Gaza to Lebanon, Iraq and Syria. It supports Hamas militarily and has helped it design and produce a domestic missile and rocket system to match the capabilities and material available in Gaza an impoverished, densely populated coastal strip that has been blockaded by Israel and Egypt for the past 16 years. And over the past year, there have been signs that Iran and its proxies were preparing to take a more aggressive approach toward Israel. Gen. Esmail Ghaani, who is in charge of supervising Iran's network of proxy militias as head of the country's paramilitary Quds Force, repeatedly traveled to Lebanon for covert sessions with leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah, a Shiite Lebanese militia that Iran also supports. Over the past year, Mr. Ghaani worked to coordinate and unify all of Iran's proxies, according to public statements from Iranian analysts and five Iranians familiar with the work of the country's Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps. Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah, held an hourslong online meeting in March with an elite group of strategists from all the Iran-backed militias and told them to get ready for a war with Israel with a scope and reach including a ground invasion that would mark a new era, according to two participants from Iran and Syria. The participants spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly discuss the meeting. There are conflicting accounts of whether these activities were leading specifically toward last week's attack by Hamas, which left 1,200 Israelis dead and shattered the country's sense of security. Some people familiar with the operation said that a tight circle of leaders from Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas helped plan the attack starting over a year ago, trained militants and had advanced knowledge of it. That account is based on interviews with three Iranians affiliated with the Revolutionary Guards, one Iranian connected to senior leadership and a Syrian affiliated with Hezbollah. Other people say they believe Iran had some involvement but it was not as deep. "The implementation was all Hamas, but we do not deny Iran's help and support," said Ali Barakeh, a senior Hamas official based in Beirut. Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has publicly denied the country played a role, even as he and other Iranian leaders praised the carnage. "We kiss the foreheads and arms of the resourceful and intelligent designers," Mr. Khamenei said this week in his first televised speech since the attack. But he added: "Those who say that the recent saga is the work of non-Palestinians have miscalculated." The United States, Israel and key regional allies have said they have not found evidence in early intelligence gathering that Iran directly helped plan the attack. The United States has collected multiple pieces of intelligence that show that key Iranian leaders were surprised by it, according to several American officials, including people who would typically be aware of operations involving the Quds Forces. Israel has also been examining what it knew. "Israeli intelligence does not have any information according to which Iran initiated or was involved or directly assisted in the terrible attack," said Nir Dinar, a spokesman for Israel's military. "On the other hand, one has to be na ve to think that those in Tehran woke up on Saturday morning and were surprised to hear the news about what happened." It may take months or years to learn all that went into planning the attack, and why Israel's sophisticated intelligence operation missed it. Many parties have incentives to spread disinformation or emphasize different aspects of the narrative; some may want to expand the war as others seek to limit it. "We obviously don't know what happened behind the scenes. This is going to be privileged, secret information that was meant to be kept secret," said Afshon Ostovar, an expert on Iran's military and proxies and an associate professor at Naval Postgraduate School. He added that it was safe to assume "some level of coordination," because Iran and Lebanon would not have wanted to be caught off guard by the attack. Hamas gunmen captured and interrogated by Israel said they had been training for the latest operation for a year, according to Israeli defense officials. Abu Ubaida, the Hamas spokesman in the Gaza Strip, said in a televised speech that the group had organized a 3,000-person battalion for the attack and had another 1,500 backup fighters. On Tuesday, Israel said it had killed close to 1,600 of those attackers. Mr. Barakeh, the Hamas official in Beirut, said in an interview that the attack plans were so tightly held that he only found out about the assault when he received a slew of text messages early on Saturday morning. Still, training had been taking place in Lebanon and Syria, and a secret joint command center had been set up in Beirut, according to the Iranians and the Syrian familiar with the operation. Hezbollah's top commandos, experienced in urban guerrilla warfare, trained Hamas members in Syria and Lebanon, according to two Iranians. Paragliders trained in Lebanon, they said, while in Syria, the Hamas members were trained to raid Israeli communities and take civilians hostage. Hezbollah has helped train other Iran-backed militias from the region before, such as the Houthis in Yemen. The Lebanese group also deployed fighters to Syria during the war there, where they trained and fought alongside Syria's army. Over the past six months, Hezbollah created provocations meant to mislead and distract Israel along its northern border with Lebanon and in Syria so it would think the real threat was coming from those areas, according to two Iranians briefed after the attack. An Israeli intelligence official confirmed that hundreds of Palestinian fighters from Hamas and other groups, and possibly even more, have been trained in Hezbollah camps in Syria and Lebanon over the past years. While they may have been trained on skills used in the recent attack, he said, that does not mean that the Iranians knew how and when they would use that training. One of the Iranians briefed on the operation said that four days before the attack, all those participating were rounded up by Hamas commanders and isolated. Their electronic devices were confiscated and they had no contact with the outside world, something that could help explain why Israel was blindsided. On Oct. 7, several hours before launching the operation, this person said, Hamas commanders informed the attackers that they would be invading Israel on speedboats, on paragliders and over land by breaking through the barbed wire fence along the territory's border using tractors. This account of how the attack was carried out could not be independently verified. In retrospect, some warning signs that Israel missed may now be more apparent. In September, Israeli intelligence officials told The New York Times that they had intelligence suggesting Mr. Khamenei, Iran's supreme leader, had ordered a wide campaign against Israel including targeting its citizens abroad, conducting sabotage inside its borders, and smuggling sophisticated weapons to the Palestinians to ignite a civil war in the West Bank. That was in retaliation for shadow war operations conducted by Israel in Iran, they said. It was not the only talk of broad action. In various meetings of Iran's proxy militias, several attendees said, the emphasis from leaders was that it was time to take advantage of Israel's seething internal divisions over the judicial overhaul pushed by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's far-right coalition. In the meeting Mr. Nasrallah held in March, he told militants to prepare for a war on a scale that would mark a turning point in the decades-long Arab-Israeli conflict (though it is unclear whether he had last week's attack in mind). Similarly, in audio reviewed by The Times of an April discussion among members of the Revolutionary Guards, including those involved with proxies in the region, a speaker said, "The message that is being communicated from Iran these days to the resistance is that we showcase a military maneuver to make the Zionist regime understand it is surrounded from every side." Even before the Hamas attack, some Israeli intelligence officials said that in hindsight, they regretted their support for Israeli targeted killings in Iran and operations to sabotage its nuclear and military facilities, because they had not been a significant deterrent to either Iran's nuclear program or its regional activities. In fact, they had put Iran and Israel on a path of direct confrontation, one of the officials said. On Oct. 3, four days before Hamas launched its attack on southern Israel, Mr. Khamenei's official account in Farsi posted a message on X, formerly known as Twitter, that said: "Israel will be gone." The planners of the terror attack on Israel most certainly knew that it carried the risk of igniting a wider regional war. But the parties have long wanted to avenge an accumulation of grievances from Israeli airstrikes on Gaza and Syria, to the long blockade of Gaza, to the covert war against Iran amid a long-held collective determination to destroy Israel. They may also have hoped to force Israel into major concessions, like lifting the blockade or keeping Israeli forces from entering the Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem's Old City one of Islam's holiest sites. Hamas named its operation against Israel "The Aqsa Flood." Hwaida Saad contributed reporting from Beirut. Farnaz Fassihi is a reporter for The New York Times based in New York. Previously she was a senior writer and war correspondent for the Wall Street Journal for 17 years based in the Middle East. More about Farnaz Fassihi Ronen Bergman is a staff writer for The New York Times Magazine, based in Tel Aviv. His latest book is "Rise and Kill First: The Secret History of Israel's Targeted Assassinations," published by Random House. More about Ronen Bergman Jews, "Good luck with that gorilla warfare". Blow every building up Our IC hates el-Sisi, well, at least the pro-Muslim Brotherhood side of the IC. |
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“Liberalism, the noble annihilator, has hollowed out every institution, every binding force, every social failsafe and backstop, and its agents feign surprise when the liberating infanticide it promotes is taken to its next logical step.”
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Originally Posted By HIPPO: @CarmelBytheSea Please stay and continue to contribute. Many of us greatly appreciate your contributions. The strategic perspective you are sharing is critical to understanding what is playing out before our very eyes. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HIPPO: Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: No carry on, I’ll bow out. I have a bad tendency to want to move on to the big picture. I’ve received that criticism is my past OERs and still haven’t learned my lesson in civilian life. @CarmelBytheSea Please stay and continue to contribute. Many of us greatly appreciate your contributions. The strategic perspective you are sharing is critical to understanding what is playing out before our very eyes. I’ll second this. |
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Originally Posted By AR15thur: Christians are not held to the kosher laws. There’s a plethora of scripture around that fact if needed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AR15thur: Originally Posted By MikeJGA: Originally Posted By nophun: Unless I'm not understanding, he says everything they did is forbidden by their religion. They did it anyway. How many Christians that you know eat lobster, shrimp, scallops, crab, bacon, and/or pork chops? People always rationalize their way around prohibitions. Christians are not held to the kosher laws. There’s a plethora of scripture around that fact if needed. Beat me to it. The old covenant, etc. |
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Originally Posted By R0N: They tend to not do anything without the knowledge of the PRC View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By L_JE: Originally Posted By Tallahasseezz: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
North Korean weapons, that lines up well with this being a Chinese/Iran backed operation. DPRNK will sell anything and everything to raise cash, regardless of ethics or embargos. They sold a turn-key plutonium-based weapons program to Syria, and the reactor was a week/month away from core loading when the Israelis took it out. They shopped this system to several countries in the Middle East back in 2000/2001, so it wasn't just Syria. Libya also nibbled at the hook, more than we knew, more than we suspected. Syria's contract acceptance appeared to have moved forward without any US notice. Whether this is just and unfortunate arrangement for purely monetary aspects, or part of a broader plan by DPRNK for a destabilized world that ultimately benefits them by creating more problems for the rest of the world, is hard to say. Worse, would be that DPRNK is doing this destabilization in trade for Chinese economic and strategic favor. They tend to not do anything without the knowledge of the PRC |
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“Liberalism, the noble annihilator, has hollowed out every institution, every binding force, every social failsafe and backstop, and its agents feign surprise when the liberating infanticide it promotes is taken to its next logical step.”
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Originally Posted By brokenhorsey: I'm seeing a pattern here. Queer kids with daddy issues and possibly a gay Islamic snuff fetish View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By brokenhorsey: Originally Posted By APPARITION: Video at link
I'm seeing a pattern here. Queer kids with daddy issues and possibly a gay Islamic snuff fetish It’s not rocket science. It’s just nut jobs that we are no longer willing to put in asylums. |
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Originally Posted By Solace22: I've said from the beginning the religious aspects of this make it a whole other level than the Ukraine & Russia stuff. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Solace22: Originally Posted By MIR: Did not the US say if Hezbollah joins the fight, the US will come in...... Is there a strike group in the Persian Gulf right now..... I wonder if troops will be sent to Iraq as a staging ground to go into Iran..... One way or another---- IRAN has to be dealt with, if not, this is going to happen again, then we risk the next time it happens they may have nukes....... Non of this is looking good....... we may just be on the brink of WW3....... I've said from the beginning the religious aspects of this make it a whole other level than the Ukraine & Russia stuff. Russia and Ukraine is Slavic peoples with their territory disputes, with a mix of NATO globalism thrown in. Brutal but predictable. What we saw in southern Israel at the hands of Hamas zealots is animalistic depravity and hatred, rivalling any evil seen since before the flood. It needs to be killed with fire if any semblance of civilization is to exist. You can say "it's only the Jews". Guess what, ISIS was doing similar things to Christians in Iraq. Though I think Hamas has reached a new level of evil depravity with what occurred at the kibbutzes a week ago... |
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Close Call With Attack Drone | Is A Ground Attack Imminent? First Impressions Entering Israel At War |
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Originally Posted By HIPPO: @CarmelBytheSea Please stay and continue to contribute. Many of us greatly appreciate your contributions. The strategic perspective you are sharing is critical to understanding what is playing out before our very eyes. View Quote @HIPPO I meant I won’t pester Fike with responses to his North Korean AK inquiry. Should have just left it alone. I’m already almost off topic delving into a war with Iran but everyone else discussing it got me rolling on my Iran war thoughts. |
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Originally Posted By realwar: Al Jazeera correspondent and a cameraman: Hit by Israeli shelling in South Lebanon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbtzT67xFFA View Quote Al Jizz-eera's biased news reporting makes CNN look fair and balanced. No love lost here. |
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Originally Posted By st0newall: folks that believe we are gonna get into a ground war with iran aint got the brains god gave an animal cracker. would require a draft, buildup of munitions, training. this country would only support such a thing if iran directly was involved in something like a nuke strike on this country. the logistics alone are huge. no other nation is gonna support a ground war with iran unless its part of wwIII. the only way to effectively hit iran is with nukes. nukes would get the job done. start by hitting key sites and walk it in. but now you are talking wwIII again. a real war with iran simply isnt gonna happen. those that thinks so have no grasp on reality. View Quote Better tell Lindsay Graham and the Neocons that in a convincing way . |
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Originally Posted By METT-T: Hezbollah doesn't have air, armor, or conventional artillery. And the IDF is over twice as big as it was last week. They can spend a lot of lives taking some border towns and get rooted out but I don't know what else they think they're going to do. View Quote https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_equipment_of_Hezbollah They do have some. |
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Originally Posted By Rifle_length: Spot on as usual Ron. I should have said more specifically they are watching the US response in the Israel situation, comparing that to the US response in regards to Ukraine and adjusting/adapting as necessary. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Rifle_length: Originally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By Rifle_length: Originally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By Tallahasseezz: North Korean weapons, that lines up well with this being a Chinese/Iran backed operation. China has no interest in this fight. If anything, I would say Russia instead of China, as Russia has been tight with Kim Jong-Un procuring arms shipments for their continuing war in Ukraine. Probably more than academic. They know at the end of a empire's life all that is necessary is the right nudge to cause its collapses, and empires tend to collapse because their economies cannot support both its domestic spending and its overseas commit IMO they've been studying the Ukraine war intensely - learning from it just like they learned from Desert Storm and the Yugoslav intervention. |
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Originally Posted By dhmjr40: Originally Posted By HIPPO: @CarmelBytheSea Please stay and continue to contribute. Many of us greatly appreciate your contributions. The strategic perspective you are sharing is critical to understanding what is playing out before our very eyes. And this! Agree. |
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Originally Posted By BB: whats that even mean? View Quote @BB the Iranians believe neither Israel nor USA would dare attack them with conventional military within their national territory and sounding like a warning that will extend to their allies or it’s a warning not to try with their allies. There’s numerous Iran state news articles boasting country of Iran is untouchable |
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Coyote with 40 people crammed into a minivan gets into a chase with DPS, Paco over estimates his driving abilities and *whmmo!* the Astrovan of Immigration becomes a Pinata of Pain, hurling broken bodies like so many tasty pieces of cheap candy...
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Originally Posted By Curmudgeon762: That right there shows who the good guys are. Shed a few happy tears seeing that after all the killing View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Curmudgeon762: Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy: Israelis taking some time to rescue doggos That right there shows who the good guys are. Shed a few happy tears seeing that after all the killing Absolutely correct. I have seen multiple instances of Israeli military saving dogs. |
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Originally Posted By burkeva: The best way to defeat Iran is to destabilize it from the inside while also surgically striking its key leaders and facilities and etc. pl3nty of thier young people hate the mullahs. View Quote I got in trouble in the Army for saying, in 2006, that we need to not drop JDAMs but drop "J-Crew" (meaning popular, social items) instead. Win the population over, and let them do our work for us. Drop millions of iPhones today, give them free, unfiltered access to the internet (Starlink-like?) and watch what happens... |
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Iran government met with new Iraqi government last week to press them to demand US forces completely leave Iraq View Quote |
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Originally Posted By midmo: The "la la la la la" at the end was odd, and disturbing. Blocking out reality for the few minutes she had left, assuming that's her in the pic. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By midmo: Originally Posted By HIPPO: video in tweet. Edit - autocorrect. The "la la la la la" at the end was odd, and disturbing. Blocking out reality for the few minutes she had left, assuming that's her in the pic. La means no. |
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: @HIPPO I meant I won’t pester Fike with responses to his North Korean AK inquiry. Should have just left it alone. I’m already almost off topic delving into a war with Iran but everyone else discussing it got me rolling on my Iran war thoughts. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Originally Posted By HIPPO: @CarmelBytheSea Please stay and continue to contribute. Many of us greatly appreciate your contributions. The strategic perspective you are sharing is critical to understanding what is playing out before our very eyes. @HIPPO I meant I won’t pester Fike with responses to his North Korean AK inquiry. Should have just left it alone. I’m already almost off topic delving into a war with Iran but everyone else discussing it got me rolling on my Iran war thoughts. Bring your off topic discussions here |
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"Everything woke turns to shit" - Donald J. Trump
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Originally Posted By cXpSRi3x: I haven't been, hence the question. I would assume given what happened they would have acted quickly and forcefully. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cXpSRi3x: Originally Posted By 4thUSMC: Sorry, they don't risk their military personnel just to entertain you. If you have ever been a part of any military planning you'd understand but otherwise just keep looking at the screen for updates. I haven't been, hence the question. I would assume given what happened they would have acted quickly and forcefully. They are... with bombs. And with cutting off food and power... If you want soldiers walking through Gaza hunting Hamas, that is very difficult, as they have a tunnel network that rivals the Viet cong. They probably want them all starving and dying of thirst in the dark before they move in. |
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The chickens are more concerned...
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Three videos from MEMRI from school children in the United States.
Shiite Children in Houston, TX Pledge to Be the Soldiers of Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei Children Singing in Philadelphia Muslim Society: We Will Be Martyred on Palestine's Soil as Fedayeen Children in Philadelphia Muslim Society: We Will Sacrifice Ourselves for Al-Aqsa |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
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Originally Posted By ontime1969: Absolutely correct. I have seen multiple instances of Israeli military saving dogs. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/407062/afgnn6d1getb1-2989840.jpg View Quote Poor little Shih-tzu. Probably lost her mommy & daddy. |
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Originally Posted By realwar: Jewish NYC councilwoman Inna Vernikov is arrested for wearing a gun on her waist while opposing pro-Palestine rally at Brooklyn College Continued View Quote GOOD! Finally!! An unarmed Jew is just a yet to be murdered Jew. |
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Call the tune and let's dance; but beware that the devil is the piper and the tab for that soiree will be hell to pay.
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Originally Posted By fike: Did we see any? I’m not trying to state that NK doesn’t provide material support in the region, but rather the idea that “NK provided the AK’s” is dubious with the evidence we have seen. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: Originally Posted By fike: I’m dubious of that claim. Every pic I have seen has been the “standard” mishmash of well used AK’s seen in the middle east for decades. The only outlier being a few modern 100 series guns that no doubt came from the years of conflict in Syria. North Korea has supplied MANY weapons to Iran, who in turn have supplied to Huthis, Syria, Hamas, etc. The Type 73 is most recognizable as distinctly NK. Did we see any? I’m not trying to state that NK doesn’t provide material support in the region, but rather the idea that “NK provided the AK’s” is dubious with the evidence we have seen. Most of the Huthi AKs I saw were Iranian. |
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: @BB the Iranians believe neither Israel nor USA would dare attack them within their national territory and sounding like a warning that will extend to their allies or it’s a warning not to try with their allies. There’s numerous Iran state news articles boasting country of Iran is untouchable View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Originally Posted By BB: whats that even mean? @BB the Iranians believe neither Israel nor USA would dare attack them within their national territory and sounding like a warning that will extend to their allies or it’s a warning not to try with their allies. There’s numerous Iran state news articles boasting country of Iran is untouchable I guess we need to sink half their navy again. What do those assholes think the carrier groups are for? |
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"Everything woke turns to shit" - Donald J. Trump
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Originally Posted By realwar: Jewish NYC councilwoman Inna Vernikov is arrested for wearing a gun on her waist while opposing pro-Palestine rally at Brooklyn College https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/10/13/16/76528105-12628037-image-m-115_1697212522167.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/10/13/16/76527475-12628037-image-a-95_1697211530387.jpg 'I'm here at the pro-Hamas rally in Brooklyn college. There is a ton of police and we made sure the Jewish students feel safe today,' she said A New York City councilwoman has been arrested after she wore a gun on her waist while opposing a pro-Palestine rally at CUNY’s Brooklyn College. Republican Brooklyn councilwoman Inna Vernikov, who is Jewish, turned herself in to the NYPD early on Friday after her appearance at the school's Flatbush campus, where hundreds gathered to support Palestine after Hamas' attack left over 1,000 Israelis dead. Officials reportedly contacted her to inform her she was being charged with criminal possession of a weapon, The New York Post reported. Vernikov, 39, was released with a desk appearance ticket and ordered to surrender her gun, a Smith & Wesson 9 millimeter, as well as her concealed carry license, which she just obtained last month. While she had a license, it is a Class E felony to bring a gun to a protest or school grounds, which are deemed 'sensitive locations.' Continued View Quote Not. Guilty. |
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Hard drugs, guns, and nuclear stuff does not mix to well together. - R_Fury
Masturbation is a valid option - Naamah La liberté consiste à ne dépendre que des lois. - Voltaire R.I.P. tnsparky |
Another story of good guys with guns killing bad guys:
https://t.me/hnaftali/6189 This man saved an entire Kibbutz from massacre. Elia Natan Lilental, the Rabbi of Kibbutz Sufa, on Saturday morning, identified two suspects from the window of his house, he immediately realized that they were terrorists and eliminated them. Immediately after that, Elia raised the alert squad and together they eliminated more than ten terrorists. None of the members were kidnapped, and no house was burned. During the exchange of fire, Kibbutz Sofa lost three members: Ido Hobra, Bernard Cohen, and Ofir Erez. Had it not been for the heroic behavior of Elia and the members of the standby squad, the disaster would have been much greater. |
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CivDiv (USMC vet who fought with the Kurds and the Ukrainians) uploaded avideo about war tunnels, going in depth about the construction of an underground base and tunnel complex from his time in the YPG. It details that tunnels are pretty difficult to beat, and, if this is what the Kurds could do in the middle of nowhere, I imagine that HAMAS has dug some absurdly elaborate networks under Gaza.
In short, a tunnel doesn't mean "shitty hallway under the ground." A motivated force can create surprisingly elaborate and developed bases underground, including electricity, remote weapons, running water, drainage and plumbing, etc. The combination of intelligent defensive design, the maze-like tunnels and the knowledge of their layout and hidden exits means that tunnel networks are an extremely formidable target, nigh impossible to clear by infantry. He does mention that the tunnels he was in were resistant to bunker busters due to being deep under a mountain, which is something HAMAS might not have the luxury of, but it does demonstrate that even heavy explosives aren't necessarily a solution. To go over the common measures people propose: . His tunnels had various camouflaged ventilation shafts to provide oxygen and protect against gas attacks. Soldiers were also equipped with personal oxygen and gas masks, with more being placed in shelters. . The drainage systems are an effective countermeasure for flooding attacks; it would take extremely large amounts of water to completely flood a tunnel. . There are countless hidden exits to the surface, which means besieging a tunnel is almost impossible. There are also large stocks of supplies stored within the tunnels themselves. . The tight spaces and defensive design of the complexes make them pretty much impossible to assault with infantry. . The depths of tunnels add pretty good resistance to bunker busters. |
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Originally Posted By midmo: The "la la la la la" at the end was odd, and disturbing. Blocking out reality for the few minutes she had left, assuming that's her in the pic. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By midmo: Originally Posted By HIPPO: video in tweet. Edit - autocorrect. The "la la la la la" at the end was odd, and disturbing. Blocking out reality for the few minutes she had left, assuming that's her in the pic. “La” is Arabic for “no”. She is saying “no, no, no, no |
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Posted ~10 mins ago. Clarifies that earlier posts re: Qatar cutting oil supplies was a fake news story (why I labeled it as developing).
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Originally Posted By SBR_Slut: Birthright citizenship is retarded. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SBR_Slut: Originally Posted By Birddog1911:
Birthright citizenship is retarded. Some NGO type group was able to get the deportation order canceled. Him and his brother were known radicals and under some sort of surveillance. The west is incredibly stupid for opening the gates to the muslim world.
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I'm not the one REEING, motherfucker! -FCSD2162
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Exposed Obama's Townhall Plant, Champion Spam Chef
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: https://www.voanews.com/a/iran-warns-israel-of-axis-response-as-fears-grow-of-regional-war-/7309548.html https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_5747_jpeg-2989855.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_5748_jpeg-2989856.JPG View Quote So Iranian Foreign Affairs Minister Hossein Amirabdollahian is Ok with Hamas launching a ground invasion of Israel, but if Israel launches a ground invasion of Gaza it's a war crime? |
"I think when you spread the wealth around it’s good for everybody." - Barry Obama
“The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money.” - Margaret Thatcher |
Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: @HIPPO I meant I won’t pester Fike with responses to his North Korean AK inquiry. Should have just left it alone. I’m already almost off topic delving into a war with Iran but everyone else discussing it got me rolling on my Iran war thoughts. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Originally Posted By HIPPO: @CarmelBytheSea Please stay and continue to contribute. Many of us greatly appreciate your contributions. The strategic perspective you are sharing is critical to understanding what is playing out before our very eyes. @HIPPO I meant I won’t pester Fike with responses to his North Korean AK inquiry. Should have just left it alone. I’m already almost off topic delving into a war with Iran but everyone else discussing it got me rolling on my Iran war thoughts. Probably an odd request, but I would be interested in a thread that's pretty much just your geopolitical ramblings. |
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Originally Posted By billpete: I got in trouble in the Army for saying, in 2006, that we need to not drop JDAMs but drop "J-Crew" (meaning popular, social items) instead. Win the population over, and let them do our work for us. Drop millions of iPhones today, give them free, unfiltered access to the internet (Starlink-like?) and watch what happens... View Quote in North Korea they'd execute the civilians that were found with those items Probably similar result |
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Originally Posted By Jaehaerys: CivDiv (USMC vet who fought with the Kurds and the Ukrainians) uploaded avideo about war tunnels, going in depth about the construction of an underground base and tunnel complex from his time in the YPG. It details that tunnels are pretty difficult to beat, and, if this is what the Kurds could do in the middle of nowhere, I imagine that HAMAS has dug some absurdly elaborate networks under Gaza. In short, a tunnel doesn't mean "shitty hallway under the ground." A motivated force can create surprisingly elaborate and developed bases underground, including electricity, remote weapons, running water, drainage and plumbing, etc. The combination of intelligent defensive design, the maze-like tunnels and the knowledge of their layout and hidden exits means that tunnel networks are an extremely formidable target, nigh impossible to clear by infantry. He does mention that the tunnels he was in were resistant to bunker busters due to being deep under a mountain, which is something HAMAS might not have the luxury of, but it does demonstrate that even heavy explosives aren't necessarily a solution. To go over the common measures people propose: . His tunnels had various camouflaged ventilation shafts to provide oxygen and protect against gas attacks. Soldiers were also equipped with personal oxygen and gas masks, with more being placed in shelters. . The drainage systems are an effective countermeasure for flooding attacks; it would take extremely large amounts of water to completely flood a tunnel. . There are countless hidden exits to the surface, which means besieging a tunnel is almost impossible. There are also large stocks of supplies stored within the tunnels themselves. . The tight spaces and defensive design of the complexes make them pretty much impossible to assault with infantry. . The depths of tunnels add pretty good resistance to bunker busters. View Quote We came across some pretty elaborate ones in Afghanistan |
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Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: I guess we need to sink half their navy again. What do those assholes think the carrier groups are for? View Quote They claim it’s kabuki theater or to pick on their weaker friends but is not a true threat to the ground homeland of Iran - conventional military wise |
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Deckard “nobody wants to know the truth, nobody” Cobra Kai Johnny Lawrence “she’s hot and all those other things” Tucker Carlson 1/10/2018 “I used to be a liberatarian until Google”https://mobile.twitter.com/Henry_Gunn
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Originally Posted By Jaehaerys: CivDiv (USMC vet who fought with the Kurds and the Ukrainians) uploaded avideo about war tunnels, going in depth about the construction of an underground base and tunnel complex from his time in the YPG. It details that tunnels are pretty difficult to beat, and, if this is what the Kurds could do in the middle of nowhere, I imagine that HAMAS has dug some absurdly elaborate networks under Gaza. In short, a tunnel doesn't mean "shitty hallway under the ground." A motivated force can create surprisingly elaborate and developed bases underground, including electricity, remote weapons, running water, drainage and plumbing, etc. The combination of intelligent defensive design, the maze-like tunnels and the knowledge of their layout and hidden exits means that tunnel networks are an extremely formidable target, nigh impossible to clear by infantry. He does mention that the tunnels he was in were resistant to bunker busters due to being deep under a mountain, which is something HAMAS might not have the luxury of, but it does demonstrate that even heavy explosives aren't necessarily a solution. To go over the common measures people propose: . His tunnels had various camouflaged ventilation shafts to provide oxygen and protect against gas attacks. Soldiers were also equipped with personal oxygen and gas masks, with more being placed in shelters. . The drainage systems are an effective countermeasure for flooding attacks; it would take extremely large amounts of water to completely flood a tunnel. . There are countless hidden exits to the surface, which means besieging a tunnel is almost impossible. There are also large stocks of supplies stored within the tunnels themselves. . The tight spaces and defensive design of the complexes make them pretty much impossible to assault with infantry. . The depths of tunnels add pretty good resistance to bunker busters. View Quote A heavier than air oxygen displacer will do the trick. |
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Exposed Obama's Townhall Plant, Champion Spam Chef
WA, USA
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https://t.me/IsraelWarLive/2539
Chicago. Not released yet. Palestinian walked into Jewish center and shot receptionist. |
"I think when you spread the wealth around it’s good for everybody." - Barry Obama
“The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money.” - Margaret Thatcher |
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