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Link Posted: 11/14/2023 10:48:55 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Clockwork138:
We do this yet?

400 Anonymous Biden Administration Officials Demand Cease-Fire



No surprise.
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Originally Posted By Clockwork138:
We do this yet?

400 Anonymous Biden Administration Officials Demand Cease-Fire

Four hundred government officials from 40 departments and agencies within President Biden's administration signed a letter opposing the president's handling of the Israel-Hamas war and demanded a cease-fire.

The Tuesday letter, first reported by the New York Times, includes officials from the State Department, White House, National Security Council and the Justice Department. The signatories of the letter remained anonymous to protect against professional retaliation.

"We call on President Biden to urgently demand a cease-fire; and to call for de-escalation of the current conflict by securing the immediate release of the Israeli hostages and arbitrarily detained Palestinians; the restoration of water, fuel, electricity and other basic services; and the passage of adequate humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip," the letter reads, in part.


No surprise.


So there's at least 400 nazis in the biden administration?
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 10:53:53 AM EST
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Link Posted: 11/14/2023 10:57:11 AM EST
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Fuck every one of those Hamas rats.
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 10:59:54 AM EST
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Originally Posted By fike:


It essentially starts and ends with the initial assessments of “the attack sidelined normalization attempts between SA and Israel and forces the IDF to take actions that will hurt their standing with neighbors in the ME”.

Attempting to portray the current situation for Hamas under the standards of “Hamas thinks in terms of decades” or even full fledged defeat as a “tactical setback”, is a spurious rebranding of reality.
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Thanks for the reply.  

How long will it be before the sidelining of relations between countries in the region and Israel shows the results the Palestinians want?  I'd say it will take years, just like in any other insurgency.  In that sense insurgencies do have different perspectived on time than established nations do.  

I agree that branding all insurgent defeats as only temporary set backs isn't true. Sometimes that can be the case, but certainly not all the time. It remains to be seem how it will go this time with Hamas.  

Barring some extraordinary event, I perdonally don't think Hamas will be able to recover from this.  Their most competent commanders will be dead and Israel will be running security in Gaza.  Hamas will still exist, but they won't be capable of pulling off another 7 Oct.
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 11:00:18 AM EST
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Hamas armory (0:43)

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Israeli ground troops operating in Gaza, Nov. 14, 2023
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 11:01:13 AM EST
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Originally Posted By torstin:
Im curious who would organize such a thing and also how you anonymously sign something. In reality it could be 1, 2, or 10 people pretending, right?
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Im curious who would organize such a thing and also how you anonymously sign something. In reality it could be 1, 2, or 10 people pretending, right?

Originally Posted By 3one5:

How do you sign a letter and remain anonymous?


The FNC article I linked is light on details(imagine that). NBC is reporting that they have spoken with two anonymous admin staff members who circulated the letter and have received ~400 signatures of support. So, there's allegedly ~400 names/signatures, but that list is being concealed. Or it's just two people. Or the whole thing's another made-up story citing "anonymous sources".

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/biden-administration-staff-sign-open-letter-demanding-ceasefire-israel-rcna125057

Two administration staff members who led outreach efforts for the letter told NBC News that since the letter was first circulated about two weeks ago, it has gained the signatures of senior and low-level administration employees working across the federal government and in multiple countries. They include staff in the departments of Commerce, Defense, Interior, Homeland Security and the Executive Office of the President, among other agencies.

The two staff members, who are political appointees, asked to remain anonymous out of concern about retaliation for speaking out against the administration’s position. They said those who signed the letter also remained anonymous out of concern for their job security and personal safety.


However, it's certainly plausible given the number of Obama/Jarrett officials/staffers in Biden's admin.
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 11:01:56 AM EST
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1 minute ago.


IDF says its 162nd Division — which entered Gaza from the north — has completed the capture of the al-Shati camp, and will soon link up with the 36th Division which entered the Strip from the east, reaching the coast.

The IDF says al-Shati was a main Hamas stronghold. “Inside the camp there is a lot of enemy infrastructure and many forces of Hamas were concentrated there, including the al-Shati Battalion, which took a central part in the October 7 [attacks],” it says.

The 162nd Division had pushed south from northern Gaza when the ground operation began two and a half weeks ago, heading into Gaza City, and facing resistance in the al-Shati camp in the last few days.

There were at least four clashes with Hamas operatives in al-Shati in the last few hours. According to the military, nearly every other home in the camp was booby-trapped.

Around 150,000 to 200,000 Palestinians are estimated to have fled the camp as Israeli troops entered. The troops of the division battled around 200 Hamas operatives in al-Shati.

The military believes it has full control of al-Shati, though there could still be incidents. It says Hamas’s command and control systems in the area were completely dismantled during the raids.

The 162nd Division is now working to methodically clear the al-Shati area of any Hamas infrastructure, including tunnels and caches of weapons.

The IDF also details the division's other operations in northern Gaza, saying it dealt “significant blows” to Hamas’s infrastructure and operational capabilities.

According to the IDF, the division has found and destroyed more than 160 tunnel shafts, struck some 2,800 Hamas sites, and killed around 1,000 terror operatives and senior commanders.

The division raided and captured what the IDF says are Hamas’s “strategic and essential assets” in northern Gaza, including the Outpost 17 stronghold, the so-called “military quarter” of Gaza City, Rantisi Hospital — which the IDF suspects was used by Hamas to hold Israeli hostages — and the Bader outpost.

It says the division’s 401st Armored Brigade and Givati Infantry Brigade led the maneuver into al-Shati, destroying dozens of Hamas sites with tank shelling and calling in airstrikes.

The division’s Nahal Infantry Brigade, meanwhile, captured Hamas’s main outpost in al-Shati, and destroyed its infrastructure, killing terror operatives in the process, and detaining others for questioning by the Shin Bet in Israel, the IDF says.

The division’s Commando Brigade operated in the northern part of al-Shati to locate terror operatives. It also operated deeper in the camp, destroying Hamas infrastructure and raiding buildings used by the terror group, including a school where the IDF says troops found an anti-tank missile launch position and a weapons cache.

The commander of the 162nd Division, Brig. Gen. Itzik Cohen,  hails the operations, saying the military is “dismantling Hamas’s centers of mass and capabilities that the organization has built up over the years.”

“The forces of the division killed over 1,000 terrorists from the beginning of the ground maneuver and reduced by about 80 percent the amount of rocket fire towards Israel from the north of the Gaza Strip,” Cohen adds.
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Link Posted: 11/14/2023 11:06:03 AM EST
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Im curious who would organize such a thing and also how you anonymously sign something. In reality it could be 1, 2, or 10 people pretending, right?
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Originally Posted By torstin:
Originally Posted By Clockwork138:
We do this yet?

400 Anonymous Biden Administration Officials Demand Cease-Fire



No surprise.
Im curious who would organize such a thing and also how you anonymously sign something. In reality it could be 1, 2, or 10 people pretending, right?


I agree with you. In fact, I have 4,000 high ranking government officials in the room with me right now. They have all Anonymously signed a letter calling for the destruction of Hamas. I also have a bridge for sale if anyone is interested.
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 11:09:28 AM EST
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Documentation: The activity of the 13th Fleet and the 401st Brigade, during which a terrorist infrastructure of Hamas was exposed in the 'Rantisi' hospital.

?????: ?????? ????? ????? 13 ?????? 401, ?????? ????? ????? ???? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ????????.
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 11:10:16 AM EST
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Originally Posted By amendment:


So there's at least 400 nazis in the biden administration?
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Originally Posted By amendment:
Originally Posted By Clockwork138:
We do this yet?

400 Anonymous Biden Administration Officials Demand Cease-Fire

Four hundred government officials from 40 departments and agencies within President Biden's administration signed a letter opposing the president's handling of the Israel-Hamas war and demanded a cease-fire.

The Tuesday letter, first reported by the New York Times, includes officials from the State Department, White House, National Security Council and the Justice Department. The signatories of the letter remained anonymous to protect against professional retaliation.

"We call on President Biden to urgently demand a cease-fire; and to call for de-escalation of the current conflict by securing the immediate release of the Israeli hostages and arbitrarily detained Palestinians; the restoration of water, fuel, electricity and other basic services; and the passage of adequate humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip," the letter reads, in part.


No surprise.


So there's at least 400 nazis in the biden administration?


Brave Nazis, who won't reveal their names.


Link Posted: 11/14/2023 11:12:14 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ServusVeritatis:


It’s an airsoft store.

The boots are on a sales racks
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Originally Posted By ServusVeritatis:
Originally Posted By Clockwork138:
Originally Posted By texashomeserver:

And they're saying "alleged Hamas 'armory'" in their headline.


It’s an airsoft store.

The boots are on a sales racks

That's a different video. The one CNN filmed shows a few AKs, a pack full of mags, and what the Israelis claim to be explosives in the basement of a children's hospital.

ETA: It's the same location as the vid, filmed by the Israelis, realwar posted above. The CNN footage didn't show the RPGs, though.
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 11:26:25 AM EST
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????? ??????? ?????? ??????? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ????? ???? ????? ??????? ??? ???



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Link Posted: 11/14/2023 11:28:18 AM EST
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They also dont look 'dead'
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Originally Posted By Tyvar:



Any more photos of this?  Because I'm kinda skeptical its what that text claims it is.

I mean first of all there are no tanks in that picture, its bulldozers and heavy APCs.

They also dont look 'dead'

It's a still from 0:08 in this vid. A vid shot from another IDF AFV on a street obviously still occupied by the IDF.
Israeli ground troops operating in Gaza, Nov. 14, 2023
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 11:31:41 AM EST
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Originally Posted By realwar:
Hamas Proposes To Free 70 Israeli Hostages In Exchange For 5-day Truce

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV-mTy9Tefg
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Take the hospital/Hamas HQ first.
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 11:40:52 AM EST
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The Hamas offer is for a ' Truce ' that would freeze military actions.
Israel has stated no truce, or ceasefire, will stop their destruction of Hamas.
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 11:46:21 AM EST
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Vid.
ETA: The town is in the West Bank :

Link Posted: 11/14/2023 11:50:12 AM EST
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116 former Biden, Obama officials pen letter backing Biden

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/116-former-biden-obama-officials-pen-letter-backing-biden-amid-anonymous-missives-criticizing-gaza-policy/

One-hundred and sixteen former Biden and Obama administration officials have signed onto a letter hailing US President Joe Biden’s support for Israel since the October 7 Hamas onslaught.

The on-record letter follows a series of anonymous letters and memos from more junior-level staffers criticizing Biden’s policy on the Israel-Hamas war.

Signatories of the latest letter include former White House Chief of Staff Ron Klain, former under secretary of defense for policy Colin Kahl, current members of Congress, 18 former ambassadors and many other former high-level administration officials.
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 11:50:58 AM EST
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Thunder and lightning and bombs and missiles and flares is sort of surreal.
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 11:54:09 AM EST
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?????? ????? 162 ????? ???? (???? ??"?)
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Originally Posted By rpoL98:
https://i.imgur.com/3SioVvi.jpg

"This is the picture on one of the streets in the Gaza Strip. At least 6 Israeli tanks are reported to be disabled. Those who survived made a tactical escape."

https://t.me/vorposte/49823
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This picture may have been taken around the same time as this video on telegram. If anyone has information on this activity it might shed more light on the circumstances.

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Telegram video posted somewhere above this post.

I'll try and post the link in an edit.
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 11:59:00 AM EST
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Originally Posted By johnspark:
This picture may have been taken around the same time as this video on telegram. If anyone has information on this activity it might shed more light on the circumstances.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/272379/Screenshot_2023-11-14_115214_png-3027290.JPG


Telegram video posted somewhere above this post.

I'll try and post the link in an edit.
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Originally Posted By johnspark:
Originally Posted By rpoL98:
https://i.imgur.com/3SioVvi.jpg

"This is the picture on one of the streets in the Gaza Strip. At least 6 Israeli tanks are reported to be disabled. Those who survived made a tactical escape."

https://t.me/vorposte/49823
This picture may have been taken around the same time as this video on telegram. If anyone has information on this activity it might shed more light on the circumstances.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/272379/Screenshot_2023-11-14_115214_png-3027290.JPG


Telegram video posted somewhere above this post.

I'll try and post the link in an edit.
At best, those vehicles are a little roughed-up but g2g. At worst, they are having mechanical issues. There's no evidence in that photo to prove the statement true, and I've only seen that claim on pro-Hamas accounts.
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 12:06:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By realwar:
Translation: The IDF destroyed the monument to the memory of Yasser Arafat in Tulkarm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki8bjjlffS0
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Dude stole billions from the Palestinian Authority, they’re still going after his family trying to recover what he embezzled…
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 12:08:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Mike_314:
Take the hospital/Hamas HQ first.
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Originally Posted By Mike_314:
Originally Posted By realwar:
Hamas Proposes To Free 70 Israeli Hostages In Exchange For 5-day Truce

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV-mTy9Tefg
Take the hospital/Hamas HQ first.

Let me guess. They say they will release the hostages after the five days that will be denied falsely accusing Israel is not holding up to their part after 5 days.

Of which are women and children when they said they only attacked soldiers.

I pray for the hostage victims. However, Its time for Hamas to pay the piper!
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 12:14:38 PM EST
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Originally Posted By lil_Sig:

Let me guess. They say they will release the hostages after the five days that will be denied falsely accusing Israel is not holding up to their part after 5 days.

Of which are women and children when they said they only attacked soldiers.

I pray for the hostage victims. However, Its time for Hamas to pay the piper!
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They are going to do everything they can, with the media whores and our commie government  happily helping them,  to stall and prevent Israel from finishing doing the needful.
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 12:23:25 PM EST
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From my friend in Haifa:

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The kill ratio between the IDF and Hamas is approaching 100 to 1. It's becoming pretty clear at this point that Hamas is not nearly as capable and probably not as large as everyone thought they were.
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 12:41:47 PM EST
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Come at me bro!
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 12:42:04 PM EST
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Some frames off a video on telegram, I can post if anyone wants the link, dont want to spam
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 12:43:06 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Halberdier:

The kill ratio between the IDF and Hamas is approaching 100 to 1. It's becoming pretty clear at this point that Hamas is not nearly as capable and probably not as large as everyone thought they were.
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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The kill ratio between the IDF and Hamas is approaching 100 to 1. It's becoming pretty clear at this point that Hamas is not nearly as capable and probably not as large as everyone thought they were.



Hamas was as large as everyone thought. It's just that when the shooting started a lot of them decided to become civilians.
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 12:47:44 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Halberdier:

The kill ratio between the IDF and Hamas is approaching 100 to 1. It's becoming pretty clear at this point that Hamas is not nearly as capable and probably not as large as everyone thought they were.
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Originally Posted By Halberdier:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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The kill ratio between the IDF and Hamas is approaching 100 to 1. It's becoming pretty clear at this point that Hamas is not nearly as capable and probably not as large as everyone thought they were.


Yep, Israeli forces had a lot of time to figure out how to surmount the problems they faced.
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 12:49:23 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Halberdier:

The kill ratio between the IDF and Hamas is approaching 100 to 1. It's becoming pretty clear at this point that Hamas is not nearly as capable and probably not as large as everyone thought they were.
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More like we're seeing what happens when a first world military does pest control with at least one hand untied from its back.
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 12:49:35 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 56xdx_Z:
https://i.postimg.cc/nzkkfPqh/idf1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/RhZTSLTQ/idf2.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/qqDxz6bf/idf3.jpg

Some frames off a video on telegram, I can post if anyone wants the link, dont want to spam
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Anything good?
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 12:49:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Mike_314:
Take the hospital/Hamas HQ first.
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Originally Posted By Mike_314:
Originally Posted By realwar:
Hamas Proposes To Free 70 Israeli Hostages In Exchange For 5-day Truce

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV-mTy9Tefg
Take the hospital/Hamas HQ first.


"You are free to stop shooting any time you wish".
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 12:52:19 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Clockwork138:
We do this yet?

400 Anonymous Biden Administration Officials Demand Cease-Fire



No surprise.
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Originally Posted By Clockwork138:
We do this yet?

400 Anonymous Biden Administration Officials Demand Cease-Fire

Four hundred government officials from 40 departments and agencies within President Biden's administration signed a letter opposing the president's handling of the Israel-Hamas war and demanded a cease-fire.

The Tuesday letter, first reported by the New York Times, includes officials from the State Department, White House, National Security Council and the Justice Department. The signatories of the letter remained anonymous to protect against professional retaliation.

"We call on President Biden to urgently demand a cease-fire; and to call for de-escalation of the current conflict by securing the immediate release of the Israeli hostages and arbitrarily detained Palestinians; the restoration of water, fuel, electricity and other basic services; and the passage of adequate humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip," the letter reads, in part.


No surprise.


400 sounds like the start of a layoff list. Need to add a zero to the end to make it productive.
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 12:53:20 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 3one5:

How do you sign a letter and remain anonymous?
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Originally Posted By 3one5:
Originally Posted By Clockwork138:
We do this yet?

400 Anonymous Biden Administration Officials Demand Cease-Fire



No surprise.

How do you sign a letter and remain anonymous?

I was wondering the same thing.  400 X's?
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 12:56:19 PM EST
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"You are free to stop shooting any time you wish".
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Originally Posted By Grunteled:
Originally Posted By Mike_314:
Originally Posted By realwar:
Hamas Proposes To Free 70 Israeli Hostages In Exchange For 5-day Truce

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV-mTy9Tefg
Take the hospital/Hamas HQ first.


"You are free to stop shooting any time you wish".

And release all hostages in hopes it will make things better for you.

I meam just to keep the hope alive.
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 12:58:33 PM EST
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Originally Posted By realwar:
Translation: The IDF destroyed the monument to the memory of Yasser Arafat in Tulkarm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki8bjjlffS0
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Link Posted: 11/14/2023 12:59:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By bulldog1967:



No one will be “purged”.

Despite who lives next in 1600 Pennsylvania ave.
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Oh they are being purged.
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 1:03:55 PM EST
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CNN

"US President Joe Biden said Gaza's "hospitals must be protected" amid Israeli allegations that Hamas is using medical centers as command centers to coordinate attacks. Hamas denies its fighters hide under hospitals, as do Gazan health officials and hospital directors."
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 1:07:18 PM EST
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those frames were the best shots I saw, some material for cloners. video is on t.me/intelslava, the other videos have lots of nsfw dead bodies
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 1:10:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By lil_Sig:
CNN

"US President Joe Biden said Gaza's "hospitals must be protected" amid Israeli allegations that Hamas is using medical centers as command centers to coordinate attacks. Hamas denies its fighters hide under hospitals, as do Gazan health officials and hospital directors."
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This is a question that could be easily cleared up by allowing Israel and international observers to have unfettered access to the sites.
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 1:19:17 PM EST
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Hamas was as large as everyone thought. It's just that when the shooting started a lot of them decided to become civilians.
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Originally Posted By Halberdier:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
1 minute ago.



The kill ratio between the IDF and Hamas is approaching 100 to 1. It's becoming pretty clear at this point that Hamas is not nearly as capable and probably not as large as everyone thought they were.



Hamas was as large as everyone thought. It's just that when the shooting started a lot of them decided to become civilians.


Exactly, that is why none of them should have been allowed to leave.
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 1:22:48 PM EST
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Originally Posted By lil_Sig:
CNN

"US President Joe Biden said Gaza's "hospitals must be protected" amid Israeli allegations that Hamas is using medical centers as command centers to coordinate attacks. Hamas denies its fighters hide under hospitals, as do Gazan health officials (Hamas) and hospital directors (also Hamas)."
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If the administration pushes any farther on the hospital issue, I’m going to have to start to consider what type of exposure or liability full discovery would bring.

I say that as someone who vary rarely swims in that shit.
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 1:43:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Halberdier:

The kill ratio between the IDF and Hamas is approaching 100 to 1. It's becoming pretty clear at this point that Hamas is not nearly as capable and probably not as large as everyone thought they were.
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Or they are unwilling to fight and hiding.
Link Posted: 11/14/2023 1:45:48 PM EST
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Wonder why Biden doesn't want the Israelis going into the hospitals

NYT
Israel is pressing its case that Hamas is using hospitals as cover, releasing a pair of videos from inside Gaza's main children's hospital that showed weapons and explosives purportedly found in the medical center, and a room where the military said hostages were kept.

While the Health Ministry in Gaza, which is run by Hamas, on Tuesday disputed nearly every assertion made in the initial Israeli video, it acknowledged that the footage was taken from inside Al-Rantisi Specialized Hospital for Children in northern Gaza. The remaining patients and staff are believed to have left the hospital over the weekend after it was surrounded by Israeli forces.

Israeli troops entered shortly thereafter, and took videos that the military released on Monday and Tuesday as part of a campaign to persuade skeptics that Hamas had turned hospitals into safe houses and command centers and has built tunnels underneath them.

"This is not the last hospital like this in Gaza, and the world should know that," said Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, the Israeli military's chief spokesman. "It's a crime."

In the first of the videos, a six-minute presentation released on Monday, Admiral Hagari walks viewers through what he says was found in the basement of the hospital. The Israeli military followed that on Tuesday with a second video, just over two minutes long, posted on X, formerly Twitter. That video purports to show troops rushing into the building and appearing to find explosives, weapons and the room where Admiral Hagari said hostages were kept.

Both videos contained a series of assertions that could not be independently verified. The first includes well-displayed evidence   guns, explosives and other weaponry all arranged as if by police showing the haul from a drug raid   whose provenance similarly could not be confirmed.

The second, though, shows troops in action appearing to find the weaponry that would be showcased in the longer video.

Osama Hamadan, a Hamas spokesman, speaking at a news conference from Beirut on Tuesday called Admiral Hagari's presentation a "lie and charade." There was no immediate comment from Gazan officials or Hamas on the second video.

Monday's video included footage of a piece of paper taped to a wall in the hospital's basement. Admiral Hagari said the paper   a grid with Arabic words and numbers within each square   could be a schedule for guarding hostages "where every terrorist writes his name."

The paper included a mark that appeared to be an illegible signature, but did not seem to otherwise include people's names   the Arabic words were days of the week and numbers underneath dates. The Gazan Health Ministry said in a statement that the paper, including days and dates, was nothing more than "a regular work shift timetable, a standard administrative practice in hospitals."

The ministry, however, failed to address one key detail: The calendar begins on Oct. 7, the day of the Hamas terrorist attack on Israel, and an Arabic title written at the top uses the militants' name for the assault: "Al Aqsa Flood Battle, 7/10/2023."

Dr. Mustafa Al Kahlout, the hospital's director, said on Tuesday that families fleeing Israeli bombardment have sought shelter at Al-Rantisi and other Gazan hospitals. He called on the Red Cross and other international organizations to "inspect all part of the hospitals."

The video released on Monday by the Israeli military opens with Admiral Hagari standing a few hundred yards from Al-Rantisi. Speaking in English, he points out what he says is the house of a senior Hamas leader, a school next door and a pile of rubble under which there is the entrance to a tunnel that purportedly runs toward the hospital.

The video then cuts to Admiral Hagari inside what he says is the hospital basement. He enters a room with children's drawings on blue and pink walls. Neatly laid out on the floor is an array of weapons that he says were found in the hospital.

Admiral Hagari then shows what he says is an area connected to the hospital basement where hostages taken in the Oct. 7 attack were purportedly held.

There is a windowless room with couches and curtains covering bare walls where he says hostage videos could be made. There is a chair with a rope on the floor next to it, an "improvised toilet," a baby bottle and a package of diapers. There is also a motorcycle that he says was used to carry hostages back to Gaza.

"You don't build an improvised toilet in the basement, unless you want to build an infrastructure to hold hostages," Admiral Hagari says.

As for what happened to the hostages and Hamas fighters who were purportedly at the hospital, he says, "They might have left with the patients, they might have run away through tunnels and we have signs that they had hostages with them. It's still under investigation, but there's enough signs to indicate that."

For its part, the Gazan health ministry said the basement rooms shown were used as shelters "for those fleeing airstrikes. The bathroom shown is a necessity."

The baby bottle and diapers were nothing special in a children's hospital, it said. As for the weapons, it added: "We don't know where they got them."

 Matthew Rosenberg and Nadav Gavrielov
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Originally Posted By TXBO:

Or they are unwilling to fight and hiding.
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Originally Posted By Halberdier:

The kill ratio between the IDF and Hamas is approaching 100 to 1. It's becoming pretty clear at this point that Hamas is not nearly as capable and probably not as large as everyone thought they were.

Or they are unwilling to fight and hiding.


Perhaps setting a trap at Al Shifa.

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