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Posted: 1/18/2024 4:50:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Goddamn, Christians have absolutely no shame at all... Ah yes, the one guy who represents an entire worldwide religion that has spanned 2000 years. What a stupid comment. As a Christian, I can't say I approve of him or his messaging. I prefer small reformed churches to the massive Walmart style. You could apply your statement to any religion/belief if you pick one guy who doesn't set a good example. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 4:50:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He has a reputation for getting people back into church that haven't attended in twenty years. But getting back to what I posted earlier he doesn't talk like any genuine preacher presenting the real Gospel. Is it a net positive for society? Yes all these people are giving him money and he's spending it on luxury items for himself but is it inducing a lot of "morality" and good positive behavior into society? |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 4:51:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: His thing is just telling people what they want to hear instead of actually doing a sermon on the word of God. He is a sharp dressed good looking guy and his wife is attractive. It is all in the presentation. Plus, it is Texas, and people from Texas, are, well, you know. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: how the fuck does he do this? The grift / scam must work as he's got all this money and all these followers. His thing is just telling people what they want to hear instead of actually doing a sermon on the word of God. He is a sharp dressed good looking guy and his wife is attractive. It is all in the presentation. Plus, it is Texas, and people from Texas, are, well, you know. This is it. It's "I'm OK; you're OK" but with a Christian backdrop. Nowhere does he say that Hell awaits you if you don't accept Jesus as your Savior. He just makes it sound like Jesus is good to have, like extra frosting on your birthday cake or something. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 4:51:15 PM EDT
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I saw Alice Cooper hang himself on stage there around 1975.
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Posted: 1/18/2024 4:51:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: what's their reasoning? have you talked about it? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I know people, good obedient, Godly, Christ-centered people, who are absolutely convinced that Joel is a great and Godly man. No. Any semblance of that could easily be taken as challenging them. I am not close enough to them to have that conversation. Besides, just from what conversations we did have on the subject, it was very obvious they were almost spellbound..... so I left it alone. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 4:51:54 PM EDT
[#6]
A motivational speaker that figured out throwing "God" into the mix gives great tax benefits.
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Posted: 1/18/2024 4:51:58 PM EDT
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I went to high school with his younger sister, and I remember when his family started the ‘church’….
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Posted: 1/18/2024 4:53:14 PM EDT
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People defend Kenneth Copeland like he's a modern day Moses too. Copeland is a delusional nutcase at the very minimum in my book. At worst he's a demon-inspired charlatan doing nothing more than a performance on stage.
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Posted: 1/18/2024 4:53:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I used to watch Joel Osteen. I never saw him talk about sin, repentance, or the need to have Jesus remove the death sentence that sin brings. I get it that his marketing strategy (yes, I meant to say that) is to preach to people who are already believers, but I think getting sinners to repent was the main focus of the book of Acts. We need for the Christian church to get back to that, and Joel Osteen sure ain't helpin' any. I’ve watched a lot of his messages, and he’s preaching the gospel of the bountiful. It’s not all fire and brimstone, but he does preach faith in Christ as the path to salvation, and every message I’ve listened to ends with a prayer to Christ for forgiveness and salvation. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 4:54:18 PM EDT
[#10]
Joel Osteen is the epitome of 2 Timothy 3:6
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Posted: 1/18/2024 4:54:40 PM EDT
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The Catholic Church owns more real estate than McDonalds or Bill Gates, I think somewhere around 177 million acres.
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Posted: 1/18/2024 4:55:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hold on. Taxpayers can choose to itemize their deductions, which is required when taking a charitable contribution deduction, or take the standard deduction when filing tax returns. For 2023 the standard deduction is $27,700 for married couples. https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/041315/tips-charitable-contributions-limits-and-taxes.asp IIRC, a couple would have to have $27,700 in deductions before a dime of charitable contributions are deducted. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Are donations to churches tax write offs? Ive always been curious as I live in a area ripe with large churches. Always wondered how exactly they made ends meet on donations Yes Hold on. Taxpayers can choose to itemize their deductions, which is required when taking a charitable contribution deduction, or take the standard deduction when filing tax returns. For 2023 the standard deduction is $27,700 for married couples. https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/041315/tips-charitable-contributions-limits-and-taxes.asp IIRC, a couple would have to have $27,700 in deductions before a dime of charitable contributions are deducted. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 4:55:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve watched a lot of his messages, and he’s preaching the gospel of the bountiful. It’s not all fire and brimstone, but he does preach faith in Christ as the path to salvation, and every message I’ve listened to ends with a prayer to Christ for forgiveness and salvation. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I used to watch Joel Osteen. I never saw him talk about sin, repentance, or the need to have Jesus remove the death sentence that sin brings. I get it that his marketing strategy (yes, I meant to say that) is to preach to people who are already believers, but I think getting sinners to repent was the main focus of the book of Acts. We need for the Christian church to get back to that, and Joel Osteen sure ain't helpin' any. I’ve watched a lot of his messages, and he’s preaching the gospel of the bountiful. It’s not all fire and brimstone, but he does preach faith in Christ as the path to salvation, and every message I’ve listened to ends with a prayer to Christ for forgiveness and salvation. So have I, but it sounds like a mere formality, like, "I better mention Jesus now." I don't think his technique motivates very many people to come to Christ who aren't believers already. I'm willing to be proven wrong, but I'd have to see definite numbers on how many people have become Christians during one of his sermons. I bet it's slightly more than Tony Robbins. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 4:55:47 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I know people, good obedient, Godly, Christ-centered people, who are absolutely convinced that Joel is a great and Godly man. I'm one of them. He doesn't charge me a penny to listen to his sermons. I was in a dark depression at one point, I never heard him speak before and his sermons helped to get me back in a good place. He also tells his followers to get in a good bible based church. I love Jesus and have faith in the Lord, so if anyone has good things to say I like to hear. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 4:56:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Joel Osteen is the epitome of 2 Timothy 3:6 I was thinking more along the lines of those who have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof. (verse 5) |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 4:57:17 PM EDT
[#16]
Cults come in many shapes and sizes
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Posted: 1/18/2024 4:57:38 PM EDT
[#17]
 Miami Vice - Rev. Bill Bob Proverb on the Science of Matter |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 4:59:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/18/2024 4:59:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw Alice Cooper hang himself on stage there around 1975. Welcome To My Nightmare tour, caught that in Tampa (or St. Pete). Saw him guillotined at the Omni @ 1973 for the billion Dollar Babies tour. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 5:00:12 PM EDT
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I wonder how his buddy Larry is doing.
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Posted: 1/18/2024 5:00:52 PM EDT
[#21]
When it comes to Christians, TMFINR.
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Posted: 1/18/2024 5:01:05 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm one of them. He doesn't charge me a penny to listen to his sermons. I was in a dark depression at one point, I never heard him speak before and his sermons helped to get me back in a good place. He also tells his followers to get in a good bible based church. I love Jesus and have faith in the Lord, so if anyone has good things to say I like to hear. He seems incredibly fake to me. His facial mannerisms and body language don't seem genuine. I'm probably super cynical after dealing with the public at work for almost two decades. I deal with a lot of bullshitters. He seems like Patrick Bet David, Grant Cardone, Michael Franzese etc. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 5:06:01 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder how his buddy Larry is doing. One of our former members, as I recall? And I'd rather stand on the streetcorner listening to the words of a pastor who is trying to drag sinners out of the gutter than attend one of Osteen's opulence fests. Streetcorner's tithe plate most often goes to buy someone a meal or a new pair of shoes. Megachurches care only about building their brand. Works, not faith. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 5:06:01 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So have I, but it sounds like a mere formality, like, "I better mention Jesus now." I don't think his technique motivates very many people to come to Christ who aren't believers already. I'm willing to be proven wrong, but I'd have to see definite numbers on how many people have become Christians during one of his sermons. I bet it's slightly more than Tony Robbins. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I used to watch Joel Osteen. I never saw him talk about sin, repentance, or the need to have Jesus remove the death sentence that sin brings. I get it that his marketing strategy (yes, I meant to say that) is to preach to people who are already believers, but I think getting sinners to repent was the main focus of the book of Acts. We need for the Christian church to get back to that, and Joel Osteen sure ain't helpin' any. I’ve watched a lot of his messages, and he’s preaching the gospel of the bountiful. It’s not all fire and brimstone, but he does preach faith in Christ as the path to salvation, and every message I’ve listened to ends with a prayer to Christ for forgiveness and salvation. So have I, but it sounds like a mere formality, like, "I better mention Jesus now." I don't think his technique motivates very many people to come to Christ who aren't believers already. I'm willing to be proven wrong, but I'd have to see definite numbers on how many people have become Christians during one of his sermons. I bet it's slightly more than Tony Robbins. I think he probably converts more than most given how ubiquitous his content is. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 5:07:11 PM EDT
[#25]
Its pay day.
 There'll Come a Payday (from The Righteous Gemstones) |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 5:09:32 PM EDT
[#26]
If Osteen had a nearly twin pedo brother it would be Gavin Newsome.
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Posted: 1/18/2024 5:10:32 PM EDT
[#27]
Being a shaman is a lucrative gig if you're shameless enough to pull it off.
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Posted: 1/18/2024 5:12:23 PM EDT
[#28]
You can believe in what you want it's a free country and his success is proof of that. People are starving for something to believe in and I'm afraid he ain't got a clue.
I'm certainly not qualified to judge but I wish more people were exposed to the truth. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 5:12:32 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I know people, good obedient, Godly, Christ-centered people, who are absolutely convinced that Joel is a great and Godly man. Religious Cultists are just like Liberals. They are told what to think and just turn that brain right off. No one is as blind as he who chooses NOT to see. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 5:14:40 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Goddamn, Christians have absolutely no shame at all... What makes him a Christian? |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 5:14:48 PM EDT
[#31]
Yep, still looks like a cult leader.
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Posted: 1/18/2024 5:18:38 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hold on. Taxpayers can choose to itemize their deductions, which is required when taking a charitable contribution deduction, or take the standard deduction when filing tax returns. For 2023 the standard deduction is $27,700 for married couples. https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/041315/tips-charitable-contributions-limits-and-taxes.asp IIRC, a couple would have to have $27,700 in deductions before a dime of charitable contributions are deducted. What if one tithes more than that? It happens and so much more. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 5:19:42 PM EDT
[#33]
I bet not ONE CENT of Osteen's own money was used to pay off the loan.
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Posted: 1/18/2024 5:19:54 PM EDT
[#34]
I absolutely despise the stupid morons that go these megachurches. I could say god should send them to hell, but if god made them that stupid, then it is on him.
The only thing that is good about these churches is that if these crap-eating morons weren't in that cult they would most likely be Liberals. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 5:20:57 PM EDT
[#35]
I am amazed people give him money.
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Posted: 1/18/2024 5:22:58 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw Alice Cooper hang himself on stage there around 1975. 
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Posted: 1/18/2024 5:23:24 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey, don’t lump us all in. He’s not a Christian. He’s a “Christian” in name only. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Goddamn, Christians have absolutely no shame at all... Hey, don’t lump us all in. He’s not a Christian. He’s a “Christian” in name only. Exactly, saying he's a Christian is like saying Mitt Romney and Liz Cheney are conservatives just because they had a R after their name. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 5:31:16 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: People defend Kenneth Copeland like he's a modern day Moses too. Copeland is a delusional nutcase at the very minimum in my book. At worst he's a demon-inspired charlatan doing nothing more than a performance on stage. There are those who also defend Creflo "Create a flow" Dollar...................and he is one of the worst |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 5:32:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/18/2024 5:34:36 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Goddamn, Christians have absolutely no shame at all... You mean like all atheists are akin to commies and Joseph Stalin? |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 5:34:43 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder how his buddy Larry is doing. Larry Lea? |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 5:43:46 PM EDT
[#42]
There is a special place in hell for televangelists.
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Posted: 1/18/2024 5:45:08 PM EDT
[#43]
It's so simple, he read Morris Cerullo's book:
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Posted: 1/18/2024 5:49:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/18/2024 5:49:38 PM EDT
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Mammon preacher huckster nothing Christian about him in the least...doctrine of demons is what he preaches...preaches to those with itching ears...
imo |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 5:56:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/18/2024 5:57:07 PM EDT
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Well goody for him.
 I'm sure Hayseuss approves of everything Osteen does. After all, the Christ entered Jerusalem on the back of an ass and not in some fancy chariot or sedan chair. His "kingdom" was certainly not the palatial estate Osteen has either. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 5:57:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Reminds me of Shamblin Lara and her hubby. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/390133/ffgf_jpeg-3098878.JPG Is that her hairdo or does her shaggy dog just like to sit on her head? |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:01:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:01:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: His wife has a strange look in her eyes. Botox |
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