I don't know what one gram is in relation to the directions I was given, one tea spoon.

A lot of people have spoons, not as many have scales ?



 

Start a thread on it then.



 

A tsp is almost 5g.  I have a digital scale since I make my own supplements.  Its all grams these days.

I dont think it would be that popular.  You dont really have tests for this stuff yet.  Scientists dont even understand most of it.  Its mostly for early adopters right now.  Those kind of guys already do their own research. Plus it makes you fart like its the end of the world.  Like take the paint off your car kind of stuff. I plan what I take based on what Im doing that day.  If crop dusting if your thing, get to the store right now.

Damned useful info.  This explains why I would get pissy within hours of inject HCG at 500iu levels.  I think I really need to start low and figure out what the bare minimum is I need.   500 2X's a week I know was too much.  

 
Whatever dose you take your body will adjust to it over time, just like with the testosterone gel.  When I started the 500iu shots about an hour later my little buddy would be standing at attention regardless of the situation.  I made the mistake of doing the shot right before bed twice.  That's when it became clear that it has a pretty fast acting response.  Now about 9 months in I barely notice any change an hour or two after the shot.  The gel, plus the T injection, plus the HCG is giving me night sweats something terrible now.  The only change has been the 40mg of T in gel form.  Gel goes on in the morning, T is Monday and Thursday, and the HCG is Sun/Mon and Wed/Thurs.  I forgot the gel this morning, so all 3 will happen tonight.  Other than the night sweats I haven't noticed any major side effects from any of the treatment.

Is Testosterone an addictive drug?  I mean, if you stop taking it isn't it true that your body goes through withdrawals?

This is strange...

I inj ~700+ iu SQ every 4 days and never can tell a difference...

Probably not the sort of addiction as from narcotics, but of course you may definitely feel the symptoms of low T again, and those altogether in the short term over a week or two, might be 'painful', figuratively and literally.

As you return to being a no-motivation, Zombie/Drone, your penis shrinks into your abdomen ---and your tummy starts getting larger again...

Hiding your pee-pee even more

Thats like saying is insulin an addictive drug.  Its a hormone that you need to survive.  So when your body doesnt have it, you are in dire straights.

I just started on 1,000iu of HCG three times a week. I'm not taking any T though.

A teaspoon could be a 100 grams if it's mercury, the spoon as a measurement is only good for cooking

The gram measurement is weight

I don't think a tea spoon is 5 grams, that stuff is pretty light and fluffy?



 

OK 3 days ago I cut my T dose to 50 Mg twice per week and switched to Sub T injections



No lag and more energy

The E2 problems look solved for now

A minor ED issue has resolved itself in a rather dramatic and rock hard fashion

Morning wood all present and accounted for too

Libido booming



Will report more when available

No that is nonsense.

Please let us know if it changes your T levels.

This brings up the old saw...

Which weighs more?

A pound of lead

Or a pound of feathers...

A tsp of powdered sugar is 2.6 g.  I did 3 g a few days ago, so thats pretty close to a heaping tsp. Today I did 2 g with more water.

Tested at 285, 420, 350 all taken a month apart. I'm taking Armor Thyro, DHEA, and the 1,000iu of HCG. I lab in six weeks.

Might you consider ordering a lab from PrivateMD Labs in the meantime, cost abt $75 or up if you want something more comprehensive.

I'm 36 and been on trt since I was 30.  

No reason to have had low T but went through a period where I felt bad, libido was off, and just a generally low time.  Had my levels checked and sure enough I was clinically low.  

My urologist prescribes me test cypionate 200 MG every 10 days.  I've been known to do my shots every 7 days and prefer it.  Get blood work done twice a year.  The only issue is elevated red blood cell count so I donate blood twice a year and that clears it up.  

No other issues and my wife gives me all my shots.  I definitely recommend it. With insurance a vial of 10mg, enough for 10 shots, is $10.

 
There is an upper limit of effectiveness to HCG.  It is also thought that too much HCG will burn out the receptors which will cause even more problems.  I'm all for experimenting to see what happens but wanted to give you a heads up on those issues.  Keep us updated on the labs.

 
How's your estrogen levels?  When mine starts to creep up I get night sweats.

I believe the E2 Sensitive from Labcorp is $50.  No Dr needed.  That will tell you where your estrogen is at.  I bet its high. That would explain why your seeing less response from the Testosterone, if your estrogen keeps going up.

Not all states can you order blood work with no Doctors Rx



 

Good to hear, Monday will my first subq injection.  I feel better after my drama last week.

Ok so here's my dilemma

I usually use mt Test C in order I received them 10ml bottles.

I ended up with 2 bottles that say they expire in 02/15

I found out the difference is the longer last exp date stuff is Watson, they use Cottonseed oil, the quicker exp stuff is in Grape seed oil.



Is the grapeseed oil stuff dead?

Has it just lost potency ?

If so what do you guys think it lost?



I think the compounding pharmacy that made the grapeseed stuff makes it run out quicker to prevent what?

   

lol, it'll be good for years if stored in a cool place...

I called the compounding pharmacy who made it in Nevada, one of the female pharmacist told me the grapeseed compounded Test C has a much shorter life span?



 

 
I need to get labs to check.  Last night and today any little thing was making the room get dusty...which is a big indicator that my E2 is pretty high.  

If you read up on home brewing Test youll see whats in it.  Its raws, oil, and preservatives. Should be good for years.

Take .25 mg Arimedex, stat.

Arimidex, yes...

So you went to sup q and to 50 all at once?
If since I will start Wed.

Yes, my dosage (for me) was too high

I was not getting the benifits of the T working at the higher dose

The bioavailable T was not there for whatever reason

The 100 mg split into 2 shots seems to be working using sub injections too.



 

Is the male hormone panel just a blood test only?

So jrzy, you are doing 100mg a week (.25ml of a 200mg/ml solution 2XWEEK)?

That ain't much of a dose for a guy like me, in fact my family doc started me on that exact dosage 2 1/2 years ago. I was out the door w/ a script for self inj and no instruction how to do it [altho I knew how and had told him I did

A month later I switched to a doc specializing in HRT for women and men. Because my family doc wouldn't prescribe HCG and Arimidex  ---he was irrationally opposed and wouldn't even talk abt it.


I happen to have met with him [my FAMILY doc] yesterday for a physical exam, incl digital prostrate fun.

I can't tell if ---even as of yesterday--- if he understands the role E plays in men's health and the importance of HCG to keep testacies 'present'.


As usual we argued [incoherently] abt dosages, desired T levels, creams vs injections, etc.

He said he went to seminar recently and the doc who put it on was suggesting that levels we generally consider low in this topic, are OK.

I just rolled my eyes and told him it was ridiculous..


He's at the age important for him to begin TRT and I'm even older. He doesn't indicate if he is or isn't.

He said that I probably don't believe him but he's researching TRT fairly carefully. I told him I did believe him.


As far as the prostate exam, he said as far as he could tell mine isn't hardening, and showed me some drawings where he's able to feel and it isn't much of an area of the prostate's surface. My urine flow is definitely slowing and the rate varies from time to time and I haven't figgered out any correlations why.

He also has been going on ---this past year and again yesterday--- about the inaccuracy of the PSA test. He said the current thought is not to do them more than once a year. [He get's a little pissed when I show him LapCorp work I pull myself, and it's hard to convince him the PSA test he always sees is part of the test PACKAGE]



I think I finally got that thru to him yesterday...  

I explained the tests are cheap and I don't care if they cost $200 or whatever, and he responded that others might consider that expensive [well tough shit, tell them to lay off the drugs, dope, booze, video games, and other Sheeple addictions that waste their $$$ and get a Seriousness of Purpose and make some $$$--- friggin losers]


He discussed that TC bottles have now been required by the FDA to be "Black Box' labeled or whatever, because of the stupid study [we talked abt here] a year ago, and he understands the study was pretty much bogus. I was surprised it this...


My PSA was .3 when I started TRT and has moved up to .7 IIRC the last Lab he saw this summer when I got sick as hell from bad water filtering at the barn.


I told him I had upped the dosage a little, from where I was [he was alway's complaining I had "too much Testosterone" and I was trying to minimize it to please him]

I NEVER tell him the dosage...

He say's I'm exploring 'uncharted waters' or something to that effect...
 
None of his biz AFAIC...

Told him again, I'd rather my remaining years be productive and active instead of laying around like some Idiot Drone watching the Idiot Media 24-7 like most everybuddy else.


My current dosage for the past 2 months is usually .4 cc every 4 days of the 200mg/cc stuff.

I bite off ~1/4 to 1/3 Arimidex ~ once a week...

And 700iu HCG every 4 days.

No PUSSIFIED, Whiney, and ANAL Sheeply measuring of and worrying abt EXACT details of meds for me  


I can sense I was rather 'restrained' in this post, it must be time for another TRT inj...  


Ha! It is... Just looked at the chart [I keep 3 at different locations where I might be]

I love sticking myself  SQ

Oh, when I checked out at my doc's front office...

The lady said he had made an apt for January and the only reason was the word 'Testosterone'

He's done this before, I think it's a gimmick to run another patient thru Medicare billing...




He knows perfectly well I have an HRT doc... [I saw him 2 weeks ago


She said he wanted to see me in 2 or 3 months, but she made the apt for 2 months. I told her that didn't make any sense, set to for 4 or 5 months...

So she made it for three, in Feb, instead.

Thinking abt this, I think I'll wait and cancel it then.

Yes



 

Other than to check for high E, what are you curious about?

Sorry for not being clearer...

Not so much E, but more importantly, T levels that the HCG might be able to elevate...

I'm considerably younger and I've noticed the same thing that seems to correlate with when I my E  feels high.  Some cialias also seems to help with this.  

Of course this is all anecdotal.

Interesting...

I just read on T Nation that high E levels enlarge the prostrate...

So, I'm going to try doubling my Arimidex to every 4 days, same amt as every 8 now.

 
The hormone balancing doctor that I go to recently came back from a conference saying that new research shows a higher E level is actually beneficial for men.  They want me to stop taking Arimidex all together.  I need to get the source of their information so I can do further research on it.

Estrogen is critical for men but not anything higher than 60-70. bone and joint health is the basic functions of estrogen in men. Beyond that, increased estrogen is unhealthy and hard on  mental health expecially. Why do you women are so fucked in the heads?

At 29 I have arthritis in my knees and shoulders from playing baseball 10 months out of the year for 19 years and the 2 months I did have off I was consistently training. Joints, ligaments, muscles, tendons all have extreme wear even to the point my orthopedic surgeon asked when I wanted to schedule my knee replacements. I run a touch higher estrogen because my joints require it and so I don't feel like I have sand in my joints.

I am experimenting with other compounds and protocols to see how they effect my joint health and overall longevity. I see myself as a liability to my family if I can not preform in a stressful situation.

Eta-your doctor is an idiot if he thinks high and unsafe levels of estrogen is OK for men.

 
They didn't say there was no limit to how high it should be.  I recall them saying something about keeping it "under 75".  I wasn't paying close attention when they were going on about it because I thought they were full of it.  Having personally experienced an E level of 224 pg/mL I know what it feels to break down emotionally over every little thing.  That high level was under a different doctor, a urologist, who said it was fine.  When he said there was no need to check it in the future I decided that would my last visit to him.

What a crock...

They prolly have an investment position in Kleenex...

My old guy did the same flip flop on me, but he never did provide any data or research as to why.  Out of curiosity did yours?

It is somewhat toxic so in my opinion it is a matter of making the best of two bad choices. If you can get off the anastrozol it's probably best but if you need it take it.