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Posted: 3/3/2023 8:56:31 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait until they find out MOA isn’t an inch. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wait until y’all find out that you can use mils and yards together. Wait until they find out MOA isn’t an inch. Mr L it is a minute of angle |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 8:58:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NW was 540. Thats... a jump but not 1000.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 3 blobs right eh some sort of wind FULL SEND When CW east We need do some spearmintin October. Keystone in June though, that goes to 800 /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/bubbles_zps5bf5952f_GIF-110.gif... NW was 540. Thats... a jump but not 1000. I never shot that far before ever but I was able to clear the course with the exception of the 100yd one arm while you hold a weight in the other hand. The 825 or whatever needed some blobs |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 8:58:53 PM EDT
[#3]
Moa on the scope
Milrads on the compass |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 9:03:49 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It pulls wind data too? It gives you a wind meter you can hook to your phone, then enter wind direction and speed in the app... works pretty good, of course you have to judge what the wind is doing between the meter and the target..but once you get used to it, its not bad to deal with...It does everything else using the AB programming, even increasing the BC of the 230 Bergers from .374 stock to 380 for the higher velocity.. plus it has a place to load in velocity at given temps, a place to square the dope with your real shot dope, and square the velocity with what the labradar says..pretty trick piece... |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 9:05:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It gives you a wind meter you can hook to your phone, then enter wind direction and speed in the app... works pretty good, of course you have to judge what the wind is doing between the meter and the target..but once you get used to it, its not bad to deal with...It does everything else using the AB programming, even increasing the BC of the 230 Bergers from .374 stock to 380 for the higher velocity.. plus it has a place to load in velocity at given temps, a place to square the dope with your real shot dope, and square the velocity with what the labradar says..pretty trick piece... Interesting, thanks! |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 9:07:16 PM EDT
[#6]
You guys talking all your long range bullshit.
I run yards bitches, I ninja in under the wire and use my 12 ga " shottie" with voodoo buckshot that slides through level 4 like butter. Man up , and grab your street howitzer! |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 9:10:17 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You guys talking all your long range bullshit. I run yards bitches, I ninja in under the wire and use my 12 ga " shottie" with voodoo buckshot that slides through level 4 like butter. Man up , and grab your street howitzer! LOL, I'm old and broken, you go do the fun stuff, I'll help with overwatch and keep your ass safe... |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 9:11:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hmmmm. Yes. But not on the first shot. I bet I could do it in 5 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I saw that video.  Could you do it? how many shots? I was surprised I did it actually..my buddy was even more surprised.. Hmmmm. Yes. But not on the first shot. I bet I could do it in 5 Are we playing name that tune?... |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 9:17:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are we playing name that tune?... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I saw that video. Could you do it? how many shots? I was surprised I did it actually..my buddy was even more surprised.. Hmmmm. Yes. But not on the first shot. I bet I could do it in 5 Are we playing name that tune?... Nope. I'm an above average shooter but I'm not that good. In competition I am usually in the 40th percentile to the 50th percentile. So i can usually complete the task, I'll just never win |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 9:18:20 PM EDT
[#10]
1/10th mil clicks
need to adjust 4 mils? 40 clicks, easy. Try doing that with 1/4 MOA clicks, why involve all that extra math? MOA clicks are stupid IMO 1/10th mil click all the way people that like 1/4 - 1/2 MOA click scopes are the same people that like second focal plane scopes, or don't even realize that first focal plane exists. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 9:18:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NW was 540. Thats... a jump but not 1000. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 3 blobs right eh some sort of wind FULL SEND When CW east We need do some spearmintin October. Keystone in June though, that goes to 800 /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/bubbles_zps5bf5952f_GIF-110.gif... NW was 540. Thats... a jump but not 1000. Yes, yes it was... ...never got a shot at it though |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 9:44:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Theta? That sounds like one of them European words. Therefore, metric. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Negative, Ghostrider. s = r * theta. Angular math. That sounds like one of them European words. Therefore, metric. Aristotle and Pythagoras are crying. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 9:53:33 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mils are metric Metric is gay and European Therfore mils are gay and European Mils are base 10 Western numerical system is base 10 Switch to base 8 to not be gay |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 9:54:26 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, yes it was... ...never got a shot at it though Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 3 blobs right eh some sort of wind FULL SEND When CW east We need do some spearmintin October. Keystone in June though, that goes to 800 /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/bubbles_zps5bf5952f_GIF-110.gif... NW was 540. Thats... a jump but not 1000. Yes, yes it was... ...never got a shot at it though Wat wat happen |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:04:08 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mils are base 10 Western numerical system is base 10 Switch to base 8 to not be gay Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Mils are metric Metric is gay and European Therfore mils are gay and European Mils are base 10 Western numerical system is base 10 Switch to base 8 to not be gay Any measurement that's done by 10 instead of relatable units is gay. 360° is at least real and not gay and made up |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:05:31 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wat wat happen Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 3 blobs right eh some sort of wind FULL SEND When CW east We need do some spearmintin October. Keystone in June though, that goes to 800 /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/bubbles_zps5bf5952f_GIF-110.gif... NW was 540. Thats... a jump but not 1000. Yes, yes it was... ...never got a shot at it though Wat wat happen Timed out... ...need to get better |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:08:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any measurement that's done by 10 instead of relatable units is gay. 360° is at least real and not gay and made up Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Mils are metric Metric is gay and European Therfore mils are gay and European Mils are base 10 Western numerical system is base 10 Switch to base 8 to not be gay Any measurement that's done by 10 instead of relatable units is gay. 360° is at least real and not gay and made up not only that, but it's ADA compliant for people with less than 10 fingers we must accommodate everyone that can't manage to chop carrots without workers comp |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:10:27 PM EDT
[#18]
Cups
Feet Minutes of angle |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:12:07 PM EDT
[#19]
Anyone who prefers MOA is telling the world they aren’t smart enough for math and probably shouldn’t be trusted with a gun
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:16:19 PM EDT
[#20]
Limit sin(theta) as theta approaches zero is theta … IN RADIANS!, YOU FUCKING IDIOTS!!!
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:17:19 PM EDT
[#21]
If you can't do both,...
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:17:21 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Timed out... ...need to get better Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 3 blobs right eh some sort of wind FULL SEND When CW east We need do some spearmintin October. Keystone in June though, that goes to 800 /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/bubbles_zps5bf5952f_GIF-110.gif... NW was 540. Thats... a jump but not 1000. Yes, yes it was... ...never got a shot at it though Wat wat happen Timed out... ...need to get better Sorry I think I misunderstood. I thought you missed all the targets. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:19:04 PM EDT
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Nooop. MOA math is for deer-camp Fuddleys even though it’s totally unnecessary for Fuddley-type shooting.  Mil math is for in-shape, outbound operators who gotta do operator stuff.  There’s a difference.  |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:19:39 PM EDT
[#24]
Same thing different dialect
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:21:16 PM EDT
[#25]
Quoted: Anyone who prefers MOA is telling the world they aren’t smart enough for math and probably shouldn’t be trusted with a gun Quoted: Nooop. MOA math is for deer-camp Fuddleys even though it’s totally unnecessary for Fuddley-type shooting. Mil math is for in-shape, outbound operators who gotta do operator stuff. There’s a difference. 360° preferred Other system is divisible by 10 Who is bad at math |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:21:42 PM EDT
[#26]
Why do you guys hate fractions did you learn math
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:22:08 PM EDT
[#27]
So as a rifleman or sniper, you're looking out across the field or through your optics -- are you measuring winds in kilometers per hour?
Your PT run this morning -- how many klicks, and how fast did you run? Because you can figure out how fast your winds are moving in kilometers per hour. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:30:29 PM EDT
[#28]
It doesn’t matter what is better. All service rifle scopes are in MOA. When I dial for wind and change yard lines it will be in MOA because that is what everyone in the game is using and what every service rifle is set up for going back before the M1.
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:35:17 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. I'm an above average shooter but I'm not that good. In competition I am usually in the 40th percentile to the 50th percentile. So i can usually complete the task, I'll just never win Meh, I could put you right behind big bertha and you would do fine... I'm no expert, just somebody who likes to hunt...  hell teresa is 64 can't shoot her 30-06 better that 3MOA at 100, but she was getting consistent hits out at 2000 yards behind it...
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:38:02 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So as a rifleman or sniper, you're looking out across the field or through your optics -- are you measuring winds in kilometers per hour? Your PT run this morning -- how many klicks, and how fast did you run? Because you can figure out how fast your winds are moving in kilometers per hour. Relatable measurement is necessary for humans. Totally agree. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:39:38 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 1/10th mil clicks need to adjust 4 mils? 40 clicks, easy. Try doing that with 1/4 MOA clicks, why involve all that extra math? MOA clicks are stupid IMO 1/10th mil click all the way people that like 1/4 - 1/2 MOA click scopes are the same people that like second focal plane scopes, or don't even realize that first focal plane exists. Meh, its 13.4 moa.. why do we need to count the 4 clicks, the knobs are numbered, just dial to 13 MOA and add 2 clicks and fire away... |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:40:05 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh, I could put you right behind big bertha and you would do fine... I'm no expert, just somebody who likes to hunt... hell teresa is 64 can't shoot her 30-06 better that 3MOA at 100, but she was getting consistent hits out at 2000 yards behind it...Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nope. I'm an above average shooter but I'm not that good. In competition I am usually in the 40th percentile to the 50th percentile. So i can usually complete the task, I'll just never win Meh, I could put you right behind big bertha and you would do fine... I'm no expert, just somebody who likes to hunt... hell teresa is 64 can't shoot her 30-06 better that 3MOA at 100, but she was getting consistent hits out at 2000 yards behind it...You're one of the coolest internet friends I have bro. It's a shame we will probably never meet. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:40:10 PM EDT
[#33]
MOA was a mistake
In 2001 there was an excuse to be confused about it Not today |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:41:42 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Two kinds of nations on this Earth. Those that use Metric, and those that have put a man on the moon. You do know that the source code for the Apollo computers was all in metric don't you? |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:41:54 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 1/10th mil clicks need to adjust 4 mils? 40 clicks, easy. Try doing that with 1/4 MOA clicks, why involve all that extra math? MOA clicks are stupid IMO 1/10th mil click all the way people that like 1/4 - 1/2 MOA click scopes are the same people that like second focal plane scopes, or don't even realize that first focal plane exists. 40 clicks just dial to to 4 |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:42:31 PM EDT
[#36]
Know both. Prosper.
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:43:19 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nooop. MOA math is for deer-camp Fuddleys even though it’s totally unnecessary for Fuddley-type shooting. Mil math is for in-shape, outbound operators who gotta do operator stuff. There’s a difference. You really think my bullet gives a shit about your metrics? know how to do both so you have everything needed if you ever get put in such a place... |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:43:21 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: MOA was a mistake In 2001 there was an excuse to be confused about it Not today I will take the relatable any day. The French revolution was trash. Look at your God 
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:44:14 PM EDT
[#39]
These are REAL radians done by REAL mathematicians
They have played us for absolute fools |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:47:13 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You're one of the coolest internet friends I have bro. It's a shame we will probably never meet. Well, if the left gets their way, I think we probably will...  
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:47:14 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The gun number is just an approximation and doesn’t scale accurately, .3 at 300 doesn’t translate to 1.2 at 1200 and those nice round numbers are only applicable at one wind speed. What do you do when the wind goes from 5 to 8 mph? Or you miss with your 5mph wind call and have to shoot a different target at a different distance? That’s why I like the tremor, as long as you are shooting the same load the wind dots never change. Once I know the dots are 4mph I can shoot at any distance (with less than 10 mills of drop) in any wind speed, very quickly. Except wind in real terrain is quite variable. Unless you live in flat Kansas and shoot exclusively on a flat KD range, good luck finding those constant value one directional winds and whole number target engagements. In the real world, in places where topography is a thing, you can have a strong wind in your face, at 243 meters where you can see some dust, it’s blowing three to nine and down at 617 meters where there’s some leafy trees everything looks calm and you got no idea at the target which is at 711 meters, but maybe you saw a dust devil? Then you shoot, and just as you are about to make a wind call and shoot again, everything changes direction and value. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:50:28 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A few of you need to look up the difference between coriolis effect and magnus effect. As for mills vs moa? A real man can use both. He just needs to remember to switch his rangefinder between meters and yards. Mils work in yards, furlongs, meters, arshins, fine-red cunt hairs and any other unit of distance measure, just like MOA. Both measure angle and not distance. You don’t need to convert to distance if your reticle matches your knobs. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:52:30 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mils are base 10 Western numerical system is base 10 Switch to base 8 to not be gay Mils are base pi. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 11:09:13 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Except wind in real terrain is quite variable. Unless you live in flat Kansas and shoot exclusively on a flat KD range, good luck finding those constant value one directional winds and whole number target engagements. In the real world, in places where topography is a thing, you can have a strong wind in your face, at 243 meters where you can see some dust, it’s blowing three to nine and down at 617 meters where there’s some leafy trees everything looks calm and you got no idea at the target which is at 711 meters, but maybe you saw a dust devil? Then you shoot, and just as you are about to make a wind call and shoot again, everything changes direction and value. Hey we got some pretty wacky wind too! |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 11:40:18 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I will take the relatable any day. The French revolution was trash. Look at your God https://i.ytimg.com/vi/s5uB-xzULm8/maxresdefault.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: MOA was a mistake In 2001 there was an excuse to be confused about it Not today I will take the relatable any day. The French revolution was trash. Look at your God https://i.ytimg.com/vi/s5uB-xzULm8/maxresdefault.jpg Too much math. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 11:43:40 PM EDT
[#46]
Mils>
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Posted: 3/4/2023 12:03:36 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mils are metric Metric is gay and European Therfore mils are gay and European Mils on a non KAC rifle. Gay and Gay. Meaning not gay? |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 12:04:14 AM EDT
[#48]
MILS Rule
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Posted: 3/4/2023 12:07:38 AM EDT
[#49]
I don't see how one is superior or inferior. They're just different scales.
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Posted: 3/4/2023 12:10:51 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't see how one is superior or inferior. They're just different scales. Exactly. MOA is easier for a lot of people because it is very close to 1” at 100 yds, 2” at 200 yds etc. With MIL the math is just so much more elegant and simple. I have and use both but lean to MIL. |
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