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Posted: 5/26/2019 11:30:42 AM EDT
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Ha. Still no disagreement. It’s a joke.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 5/26/2019 11:30:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which brings up another point to be made about data privacy....A 2a point. Routinely you see discussions about gun registration and how that leads to confiscation. No lists has always been our stance as a group, for the most part. No lists of owners. No lists of transactions. No giant list of guns, well except those scary NFA items. Which very much would make confiscation harder. Now that we have discussed ancient history let’s talk modern world. We live in a world where companies collect and store data on everything from bearing temps to occupancy levels to how often you log into your email, FOREVER. Now with that data comes all kinds of metadata. Time place reliability origin path etc. The government of the US has been actively collecting and archiving yours mine and everyone else’s metadata for quite a while now. Think NDAA. Now using that data it wouldn’t be hard to put some analytics together and then use some additional machine learning to polish your list. And we have “how you say? A bingo”. This list would be more accurate than a list produced from any record keeping system that the Democrats could dream up. Every time some one here makes a reference to the “hive” or GD mindset or the “average” ARFCOMER I think about this very thing. It’s not just us it could also be used to produce a list of just about anything given enough time and data. EDIT TO ADD: “But, it’s ok we promise to only use it on the “bad” guys.” Kudos to Bama for getting a dirtbag off the streets. I'm all for making sure that law enforcement have the tools necessary to do their job and do it safely. But what happens when those tools get turned on us gun owners because some hostile Admin or state gov decides we are a danger to society? |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 11:31:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know it when you see it. Run the plate and the plate did not match the vehicle. Thanks. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 11:33:38 AM EDT
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The steady march toward our dystopian future. Technology.
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Posted: 5/26/2019 11:34:59 AM EDT
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I’m not sure how I feel about this statement.... on a couple of levels. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: I'm told it scan pictures from the internet. So we took a picture of one of our officers who made the news. It found his picture. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 11:37:50 AM EDT
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I am not saying the guy wasn't a shitbird. I am saying I don't agree with the technology and its use. When i was stopped it was 100% my fault also, not denying that in the slightest. If you cannot see the forest for the trees in this situation, you never will. Use of this tech will only lead to its general, widespread public use/abuse in the future. That is my issue. This is just one more rung up the authoritarian ladder. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Guess what, I had the exact same thing happen. Forgot my license, pulled over, plates matched my military ID that I had but I still had to go to court to provide proof that I had a drivers license. And 100% of the blame for that pain in the ass experience falls on me. OMG, take away cops cell phones and access to information while in the field because you once got pulled over and had a irritating experience due to forgetting your wallet. Were you cuffed, tased, shot? Of course not, you had a irritating experience until things were straightened out, due to your mistake. Did they cite you? Because even if the 2nd cop verified who you were, the first cop could have cited you and made you appear in court to verify that you're a licensed driver or pay a fine. So you had a irritating experience due to a minor mistake on your part but the cop did you a solid and you're still pissed? Buddy, the cops ain't the problem here. Bama shooter pulls over a guy who has no license and gives his name as Fakey McFaker but plates match Dopey McSmokey who has a record and warrants. You don't think that's PC to verify his identity? When i was stopped it was 100% my fault also, not denying that in the slightest. If you cannot see the forest for the trees in this situation, you never will. Use of this tech will only lead to its general, widespread public use/abuse in the future. That is my issue. This is just one more rung up the authoritarian ladder. You get pulled over, left your wallet at home. I get your name and date of birth, sometimes your SOC number. We enter your name and DOB into the computer, it pops up possible matches. There you are, along with your drivers license number. It says you have a valid DL number and your status is good. At this point I can use that information to issue a citation, a written warning or a verbal warning for the infraction you committed. I could also issue you a citation for not having you DL with you while driving, then you get to go see the judge and provide proof of your DL to him. Now unless you were an ass during the traffic stop I'm not going to issue that citation. There is no confusion so long as you provide your legit information. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 11:39:40 AM EDT
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And that's pretty much where I'm at. Kudos to Bama for getting a dirtbag off the streets. I'm all for making sure that law enforcement have the tools necessary to do their job and do it safely. But what happens when those tools get turned on us gun owners because some hostile Admin or state gov decides we are a danger to society? |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 11:40:07 AM EDT
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been playing with it for a few weeks. it's not what i would really call facial recognition. it sort of works for finding similar online pics. more akin to google image searches. nice you got a good hit on it. i have yet to get any usable intel from it. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 11:40:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: your dealing with departments here that won't generally even provide basic equipment and run cars with 300k miles on them. your not getting those purchased lol Not quite right but I get it. Do the cops using the app get to claim cell phone and data plan as a work expense on taxes? |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 11:42:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm told it scan pictures from the internet. So we took a picture of one of our officers who made the news. It found his picture. What happens when some shithead starts using it to pull facebook and/or Instagram profiles from the hot chicks he pulls over? |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 11:43:20 AM EDT
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It means LE found tineye a decade late. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 5/26/2019 11:43:32 AM EDT
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Some people never watched the documentary Minority Report
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Posted: 5/26/2019 11:44:59 AM EDT
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Police in your state don't have authority to arrest for driving without a license? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Take pics, gather as much info as possible, issue cites in name given, release. Seek warrants later when it is all figured out. ETA: Impound your ride, etc...since you don't have a DL |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 11:46:18 AM EDT
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Some people never watched the documentary Minority Report |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 11:46:59 AM EDT
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No we do not. But I can impound the vehicle and he would have provide legit ID to get it back. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Take pics, gather as much info as possible, issue cites in name given, release. Seek warrants later when it is all figured out. ETA: Impound your ride, etc...since you don't have a DL |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 11:47:20 AM EDT
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If I tell you I'm "Rando McRando" and my birthday is obviously 20 years too young for me, what do you do? Obviously you try to get the real info, but if I insist I'm Mr. McRando and you can't find me in your computer, what do you do? Would you eventually release me if I hadn't otherwise committed an arrestable offense? |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 11:50:32 AM EDT
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Fuck that noise. You want my picture, you either get a warrant or arrest me? Had some asshole Lake County Narcs harassing some friends and I after they pulled us over a long time ago. Tried saying we were in a gang, because some of our shoes were black. What the fuck were these dickhead cops smoking? They didn't like it when it was pointed out that some of their shoes were black. They started taking pictures of everyone. When it came time for my picture I told them no. Told them either get a warrant, or arrest me. They gave me a lot of shit, but I told them to fuck off. They weren't getting my picture for free. Black shoes being in a gang. Get the fuck out of here.
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Posted: 5/26/2019 11:51:10 AM EDT
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What I didn't read was the reason for the stop other than being “blatantly suspicious.” I hope the OP articulated his RS/PC better in his arrest report than he did on the internet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You did read the part where the driver had already broken the law, correct? Driving without proof of license is certainly probable cause for checking the identity of said driver to see if they are committing other crimes, such as driving on a suspended or revoked license, or in this case active warrants. Get your panties unbunched, OP wasn't stopping people randomly on the street and scanning their faces. I hope the OP articulated his RS/PC better in his arrest report than he did on the internet. 
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Posted: 5/26/2019 11:52:01 AM EDT
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Fuck that noise. You want my picture, you either get a warrant or arrest me? Had some asshole Lake County Narcs harassing some friends and I after they pulled us over a long time ago. Tried saying we were in a gang, because some of our shoes were black. What the fuck were these dickhead cops smoking? They didn't like it when it was pointed out that some of their shoes were black. They started taking pictures of everyone. When it came time for my picture I told them no. Told them either get a warrant, or arrest me. They gave me a lot of shit, but I told them to fuck off. They weren't getting my picture for free. Black shoes being in a gang. Get the fuck out of here. 
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Posted: 5/26/2019 11:52:55 AM EDT
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from what i can tell it's basically a glorified google image search app. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I'm told it scan pictures from the internet. So we took a picture of one of our officers who made the news. It found his picture. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 11:54:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/26/2019 11:56:00 AM EDT
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So dump the cost of the hardware on the cop and the department pays a license fee for the app. Not quite right but I get it. Do the cops using the app get to claim cell phone and data plan as a work expense on taxes? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: your dealing with departments here that won't generally even provide basic equipment and run cars with 300k miles on them. your not getting those purchased lol Not quite right but I get it. Do the cops using the app get to claim cell phone and data plan as a work expense on taxes? |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 11:56:50 AM EDT
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Fuck that noise. You want my picture, you either get a warrant or arrest me? Had some asshole Lake County Narcs harassing some friends and I after they pulled us over a long time ago. Tried saying we were in a gang, because some of our shoes were black. What the fuck were these dickhead cops smoking? They didn't like it when it was pointed out that some of their shoes were black. They started taking pictures of everyone. When it came time for my picture I told them no. Told them either get a warrant, or arrest me. They gave me a lot of shit, but I told them to fuck off. They weren't getting my picture for free. Black shoes being in a gang. Get the fuck out of here.
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Posted: 5/26/2019 11:57:08 AM EDT
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Fuck that noise. You want my picture, you either get a warrant or arrest me? Had some asshole Lake County Narcs harassing some friends and I after they pulled us over a long time ago. Tried saying we were in a gang, because some of our shoes were black. What the fuck were these dickhead cops smoking? They didn't like it when it was pointed out that some of their shoes were black. They started taking pictures of everyone. When it came time for my picture I told them no. Told them either get a warrant, or arrest me. They gave me a lot of shit, but I told them to fuck off. They weren't getting my picture for free. Black shoes being in a gang. Get the fuck out of here.
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Posted: 5/26/2019 11:57:58 AM EDT
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Now that's a bit 1984ish. I can understand mugshots but a full internet search to match a pic sounds funky to me. What happens when some shithead starts using it to pull facebook and/or Instagram profiles from the hot chicks he pulls over? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I'm told it scan pictures from the internet. So we took a picture of one of our officers who made the news. It found his picture. What happens when some shithead starts using it to pull facebook and/or Instagram profiles from the hot chicks he pulls over? |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:00:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s bold talk for a man that lives in a realID compliant state. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:00:45 PM EDT
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Well... like tineye but....apparently looks through beards and is considered by LE reliable enough to be used as a method of reasonable identification to lock someone up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:00:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If a cop is pulling over hot chicks, he is already IDing them when he obtains their DL number. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:02:55 PM EDT
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What about traveling without a license? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Take pics, gather as much info as possible, issue cites in name given, release. Seek warrants later when it is all figured out. ETA: Impound your ride, etc...since you don't have a DL No DL, no driving and I can impound the vehicle. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:04:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, it's a tool. It basically said here is a picture of someone from the internet that looks like your person. I then looked at the pic, yep that's him. I then used the information from where the picture came from to positively ID him in the state DL/ID data base. Thus confirming his real name and DOB. After an internet search with an app? So no actual analytics being performed? I hope this was a free download. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:05:14 PM EDT
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A person has to have a valid DL to drive a vehicle on the roadway in AL. No DL, no driving and I can impound the vehicle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:06:02 PM EDT
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With more and more law enforcement wearing body cameras, seems this will become automatic. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:07:20 PM EDT
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So you are using your judgement to make the ID? After an internet search with an app? So no actual analytics being performed? I hope this was a free download. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: No, it's a tool. It basically said here is a picture of someone from the internet that looks like your person. I then looked at the pic, yep that's him. I then used the information from where the picture came from to positively ID him in the state DL/ID data base. Thus confirming his real name and DOB. After an internet search with an app? So no actual analytics being performed? I hope this was a free download. Yes, it is free. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:12:40 PM EDT
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Perfectly fine with the bold. I have zero interest in China-like surveillance of citizens in the US. Nobody needs to know who I am, who I'm with, where I'm going, etc., when I'm about my daily business and not breaking laws. Anonymity is gauche in the information age, but I'm good with people keeping as much as they can. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good pro active LE. Dumbasses in San Francisco just passed a policy on prohibiting technology involving facial recognition. Be safe. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:16:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. Yes, it is free. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:16:58 PM EDT
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Beards..... |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:17:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. Yes, it is free. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:17:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree completely. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:19:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm told it scan pictures from the internet. So we took a picture of one of our officers who made the news. It found his picture. DL photos, etc, although it's only a matter of time before LE will have that ability. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:20:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If a cop is pulling over hot chicks, he is already IDing them when he obtains their DL number. If it doesn't break a NDA to answer, does your PD already have an sop in place on what happens if this gets misused? Or was that part of the agreement with the app company, like if the app is found to be misused the PD loses access or has to pay a fine? I'm all about technology, but technology usually gets misused before someone thinks ahead to put rules in place. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:24:55 PM EDT
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Doesn’t fool facial recognition. The key metric it looks at is spacing between the eyes IIRC. Maybe giant wrap around sunglasses. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Beards..... |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:25:02 PM EDT
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It's Facebook isn't it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So what's the app? 
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:30:28 PM EDT
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I sure feel safer  
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:34:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually the best method for currently confusing facial recognition analytics is white and black face paint. Think KISS and ICP. Really jacks it up. 
ETA: More information... 
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:36:17 PM EDT
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Yes. Yes, it is free. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: No, it's a tool. It basically said here is a picture of someone from the internet that looks like your person. I then looked at the pic, yep that's him. I then used the information from where the picture came from to positively ID him in the state DL/ID data base. Thus confirming his real name and DOB. After an internet search with an app? So no actual analytics being performed? I hope this was a free download. Yes, it is free. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:37:41 PM EDT
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Actually the best method for currently confusing facial recognition analytics is white and black face paint. Think KISS and ICP. Really jacks it up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:50:07 PM EDT
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True. But if something like this pulls from social media there's the potential for that one random shithead to be standing next to her car looking at her Instagram bikini pics rather than having to go home and look for them himself at 2 a.m. when his wife's asleep. If it doesn't break a NDA to answer, does your PD already have an sop in place on what happens if this gets misused? Or was that part of the agreement with the app company, like if the app is found to be misused the PD loses access or has to pay a fine? I'm all about technology, but technology usually gets misused before someone thinks ahead to put rules in place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: If a cop is pulling over hot chicks, he is already IDing them when he obtains their DL number. If it doesn't break a NDA to answer, does your PD already have an sop in place on what happens if this gets misused? Or was that part of the agreement with the app company, like if the app is found to be misused the PD loses access or has to pay a fine? I'm all about technology, but technology usually gets misused before someone thinks ahead to put rules in place. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:51:27 PM EDT
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 Good snag
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:54:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure that you did either. How does arresting someone with no evidence because they might commit a crime equate with someone using a glorified tinyeye app to determine someone's real identity? Do you really think it's a leap once they lock down your facial ID or retina details to then store them, and have random "readers" set up across public areas? |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:57:28 PM EDT
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Except it’s not. The company is getting compensated in someway just like Facebook and Twitter. So now I wonder who they sell the data you collect for them to and how that will eventually turn into a civil suit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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