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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:29:25 PM EDT
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That blast looks like 2.7kt from an amateur eye.  Huge death toll I imagine. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:29:30 PM EDT
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If you look very carefully on top of the explosion you can see a coyote and an anvil.
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:30:13 PM EDT
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Sensitize the ammonium nitrate with an organic, and then introduce an ignition source.
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:31:22 PM EDT
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bags of nitrate
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:31:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you look very carefully on top of the explosion you can see a coyote and an anvil.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:32:40 PM EDT
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Close up video of damage, a lot of surrounding apartment blocks look to have structural damage. The death toll is going to be staggering. Why do all the buildings appear to have been empty? And notice how the guy filming zoomed back out as soon as that became apparent? I'm thinking this smells . . . Very strange. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:32:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: soooooooo, was this fireworks or an attack? any link to what trump said? From the vids I've seen there were definitely fireworks. They are going off in the fire. Then it looks like the fireworks set off or contributed to setting off the anfo in the warehouse. The only way this was an attack is if the fire was set deliberately. Trump probably should have just waited for more info. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:32:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which is why strictly just 2700 tons of Ammonium nitrate doesn't seem very plausible. That's enough to make a huge explosion. But this was like a tactical nuke level explosion. The speed of the detonation looked like an AN explosion to me. But, I would expect a lot of deep orange smoke from a nitrate explosion which I didn't see. ETA: Others have said there was orange smoke. Maybe I'm just missing it on the crappy screen I'm on. Given the velocity and orange smoke, then that's definitely a AN explosion. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:33:36 PM EDT
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Not as big as the SS John Burke explosion.
 (New Scan) Massive Non-Nuclear Explosion: Ammunition Ship SS John Burke |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:33:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's equivalent of 1.1kt of TNT I do believe. Everyone I ever knew that hailed from that city was generally a good shit. Sad day for them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:
That's equivalent of 1.1kt of TNT I do believe. Everyone I ever knew that hailed from that city was generally a good shit. Sad day for them. 2700 tons of nitretes, Which ton? I'm guessing the metric tonne. A short Ton is the US customary version, is equal to 2,000 pounds 2700 tons = 5,400,000 pounds A long Ton is the mostly outdated Imperial Ton, is equal to 2,240 pounds 2700 long tons = 6,048,000 pounds A tonne, also known as a metric Ton, is equal to 1000kg, (or 2,204.6 pounds) 2700 tonnes = 5,952,420 pounds |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:34:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: or hezbola rockets going off in place. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There were obviously foreworks going off in the smoke. And those set off the ANFO. or hezbola rockets going off in place. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:34:41 PM EDT
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Anti American country goes boom.
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:34:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ground detonation: large proportion of the explosive energy goes to digging the crater Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why is it that airbursts (nuclear and otherwise) cause so much more damage than a ground detonation? I’ve never really seen that explained well. ground detonation: large proportion of the explosive energy goes to digging the crater Welcome back |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:35:38 PM EDT
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So they “confiscated” explosive grade ammonium nitrate and just kinda forgot about it in a premium space warehouse.....
My guess is that this nitrate was being funneled to terrorist organizations... plausible deniability as it’s just “fertilizer” |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:36:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why do all the buildings appear to have been empty? And notice how the guy filming zoomed back out as soon as that became apparent? I'm thinking this smells . . . Very strange. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:
Close up video of damage, a lot of surrounding apartment blocks look to have structural damage. The death toll is going to be staggering. Why do all the buildings appear to have been empty? And notice how the guy filming zoomed back out as soon as that became apparent? I'm thinking this smells . . . Very strange. it was 6pm local time, office buildings were probably empty. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:36:16 PM EDT
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For the last time. No fireworks were involved according to the Lebanese government.
Lebanon's General Security director told Al-Hadath that reports that the explosion was caused by fireworks were "ridiculous" and that the explosion involved high-quality explosives. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:36:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So they "confiscated" explosive grade ammonium nitrate and just kinda forgot about it in a premium space warehouse..... My guess is that this nitrate was being funneled to terrorist organizations... plausible deniability as it's just "fertilizer" |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:37:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For the last time. No fireworks were involved according to the Lebanese government. Quote HistoryQuoted: For the last time. No fireworks were involved according to the Lebanese government. Lebanon's General Security director told Al-Hadath that reports that the explosion was caused by fireworks were "ridiculous" and that the explosion involved high-quality explosives. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:38:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:38:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For the last time. No fireworks were involved according to the Lebanese government. The rest of the quote Lebanon's General Security director told Al-Hadath that reports that the explosion was caused by fireworks were "ridiculous" and that the explosion involved high-quality explosives. The Interior Ministry stated that the explosive being stored at the warehouse was ammonium nitrate and that customs should be asked why it was being stored there. An odd smell was noticed in the area after the explosion, according to Al-Mayadeen. "Due to the explosion that rocked #Beirut Port today, one of our Maritime Task Force ships was damaged, leaving some naval peacekeepers injured. #UNIFIL is assessing the situation & stands ready to provide assistance & support to the Lebanese Government," United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) tweeted on Tuesday. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:38:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are obviously fireworks going off in the closeup vids. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For the last time. No fireworks were involved according to the Lebanese government. Lebanon's General Security director told Al-Hadath that reports that the explosion was caused by fireworks were "ridiculous" and that the explosion involved high-quality explosives. yeah, he's just going to blame the Australians. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:39:40 PM EDT
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lol, tell me there aren't any fireworks
https://twitter.com/IntelTweet/status/1290726770459672576?s=20 |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:39:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryMy first thought was Dyno Nobel. Products (US website). When I worked near them I was happy there was a big hill in the way. That said, the hill contained a city and the blast wave would have leveled it and because of the terrain funneled the shockwave up the hill further destroying residential areas. Going to emergency planning meetings was fun. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:39:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anti American country goes boom. ?? The next CHAZ needs this. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:40:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From the vids I've seen there were definitely fireworks. They are going off in the fire. Then it looks like the fireworks set off or contributed to setting off the anfo in the warehouse. The only way this was an attack is if the fire was set deliberately. Trump probably should have just waited for more info. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: soooooooo, was this fireworks or an attack? any link to what trump said? From the vids I've seen there were definitely fireworks. They are going off in the fire. Then it looks like the fireworks set off or contributed to setting off the anfo in the warehouse. The only way this was an attack is if the fire was set deliberately. Trump probably should have just waited for more info. Yep |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:40:14 PM EDT
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The Texas City disaster in 1947 was a huge port explosion!
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:40:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are obviously fireworks going off in the closeup vids. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:40:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This makes the Tianjin explosion in 2015 look like a fire cracker. Calcium Carbide got wet... made acetylene that went boom. https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/02/06/world/06Tianjin-web/06Tianjin-web-articleLarge.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1024/branded_news/7715/production/_90758403_mediaitem90758402.jpg This blast in Beirut was orders of magnitude larger I'm not sure about that. The one in China looks alot bigger to me on video. Patrick |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:41:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe plot weirdens. When the ship thing came up, I figured it was something to do with fertilizer. That this is explosives grade product (gonna guess fertilizer bulk raw materail is processed differently) Was this our snackbar friend's unofficial ammo/weapons dump that just went splodey? Whoever those guys were poking about were likely uninvited as they had sledge hammers and a wedge (to break locks off to gain entry?). |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:41:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks more like ammo cooking off to me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There are obviously fireworks going off in the closeup vids. https://twitter.com/IntelTweet/status/1290726770459672576?s=20 |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:41:22 PM EDT
[#31]
Could the "fireworks" be ammunition?
I have seen the video numerous times. Sounds like a gunfight. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:42:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now would be a good time for the US to send aid or medivac injured folks.  No.... We need to stop playing nurse and policeman to every other country out there. Life's a bitch. Store thousands of tons of nasty shit near populated areas for YEARS and you get what you get. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:43:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks more like ammo cooking off to me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There are obviously fireworks going off in the closeup vids. Not so many pretty colors, either, just loud pops and bright flashes. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:43:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Could the "fireworks" be ammunition? That's where I'm leaning towards. Al Arabiya reported that it was a weapons depot, with a shit ton of Ammonium Nitrate next door. Trying to track down the source on that. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:43:21 PM EDT
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Breaking: President Trump says that US military officials think the explosion in Beirut was an attack, caused by a "bomb of some kind" |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:43:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tianjin was only 29% the equivalent of Beirut and Pepcon second blast was about 1 kt, an estimated 1/3 of this event.. I did the math earlier in this thread. Beirut had 2700 tons of AN which is 1.51 kilotons in TNT equivalent If half of it detonated that would be 750 tons. Tianjin in China was only 20 tons equivalent. Assuming it was mostly acetylene and nitrates that blew up over there. This is 30 times larger using a conservative estimate. Yes 2700 TONS of AN can fuck up an entire city. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:43:40 PM EDT
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So what's the over/under on this being an accident or on purpose?
I could see it both ways especially if there was a large storage of explosive material in the area. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:44:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That AN has been in there a long time. There is a LOT of dust/dirt on the tops of those bags. Kinda backs up the seized ship story. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: He was MUCH closer than 100 meters. Maybe ~50 feet from the building that blew up. This is the filming location, north west corner of the silo standing near the pipe. https://i.imgur.com/ml7X8Vc.png https://i.imgur.com/GwVHC3l.png
Phones are impressively hard to destroy via overpressure. ETA:
That AN has been in there a long time. There is a LOT of dust/dirt on the tops of those bags. Kinda backs up the seized ship story. That stuff isn’t Orica-made Nitropril, as far as I know. Orica’s bulk bags in their promo literature have blue logos. No company comes up for making “Nitroprill HD” on a google search. That’s pretty sketchy. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:44:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Breaking: President Trump says that US military officials think the explosion in Beirut was an attack, caused by a "bomb of some kind" not breaking and they're wrong |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:44:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anti American country goes boom. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:45:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: or hezbola rockets going off in place. Not even close to what that would look like. Detonation was when the combustion occurred when the other stuff, fireworks it seems is completely legitimate, reached the right temperature. You can see a large mass growing into a single molten core looking to spread through the structure. Until then it was deflagration which is common with commercial black powder and fireworks. Huge difference between the two. This looks to be a combination of a lot of variables such as poor protocol for storage of potential explosive materials, probably half the warehouse workers having a lit cigarette in their mouth, and who knows how many years of unsafe storage of seized materials. That won’t stop anyone from buying a conspiracy, especially after that press conference, but whatever. Those aren’t Hezbollah rockets. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:46:21 PM EDT
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So a ship loaded with AN was headed somewhere when it got stuck in Beirut?
Sounds like a terrorist plot shelved due to upper management meeting a Predator drone or 2. Just a theory lol. why not? |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:46:28 PM EDT
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Is this a similar sized blast to what happened in Texas City?
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:47:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That stuff isn’t Orica-made Nitropril, as far as I know. Orica’s bulk bags in their promo literature have blue logos. No company comes up for making “Nitroprill HD” on a google search. That’s pretty sketchy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: He was MUCH closer than 100 meters. Maybe ~50 feet from the building that blew up. This is the filming location, north west corner of the silo standing near the pipe. https://i.imgur.com/ml7X8Vc.png https://i.imgur.com/GwVHC3l.png
Phones are impressively hard to destroy via overpressure. ETA:
That AN has been in there a long time. There is a LOT of dust/dirt on the tops of those bags. Kinda backs up the seized ship story. That stuff isn’t Orica-made Nitropril, as far as I know. Orica’s bulk bags in their promo literature have blue logos. No company comes up for making “Nitroprill HD” on a google search. That’s pretty sketchy. What does Quds Force branding look like? |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:51:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this a similar sized blast to what happened in Texas City? Pretty sure it was less ammonium nitrate stored at the West, TX facility |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:51:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now is not the time for POTUS to be on Twitter. Unless he's offering condolences or aid he needs to let Kayleigh proofread |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:52:58 PM EDT
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Someone I work with has family over there. Only 1 person in his extended was slightly injured but 3 of their homes were leveled and several others had windows blown out.
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:52:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you look very carefully on top of the explosion you can see a coyote and an anvil. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:54:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The relative effectiveness factor of Ammonium nitrate is .42, so you would need more than twice that amount of Ammonium nitrate. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nukes put a lot more of their energy into thermal than ammonium nitrate does. Not an apples to apples comparison. The relative effectiveness factor of Ammonium nitrate is .42, so you would need more than twice that amount of Ammonium nitrate. Which has nothing to do with nukes. Nukes make a huge fireball along with the blast, AN is mostly blast. A 9mm at the muzzle has enough energy to power a hair dryer for about a quarter second. A MLB pitch has around twice the energy of a .22. A large pot of hot coffee, a laptop battery, and a hand grenade all have roughly the same energy. Not all energy has the same effect. There's plenty of large high explosive info out there that is more relevant than a nuke calculator. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:56:12 PM EDT
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[tweet]https://twitter.com/basimmalik7214/status/1290732195561328645?s=20[/tweet]
holy shit, straight up movie level shock wave coming at you stuff. https://twitter.com/i/status/1290732195561328645 |
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