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That flat isn't true. I have bred and trained K9s for over 11 years. Does it happen? yes. Is it common? no. And it is becoming less and less common as the demand for single purpose narcotics dogs is way down. And I have not trained a dog on pot in almost 3 years. Explosives, and the chemicals in meth manufacturing has become far more common in the last couple years by a factor of 2 to 1.

To put into perspective of what I do and what happens. For 15 weeks, the new handlers are trained and the dogs are trained to what the department wants. 85% of the training is with the handlers. The dogs will repeat a behavior 100% of the time when the handler is consistent. If the handler is shit, the dog will be shit. If the handler is is solid, the dog will be solid. It is as simple as that. A well trained dog will have no idea what a command is to "hit" on command. That is something the handler instilled in the dog, and is the failing/bad motive of a handler.

If that behavior is identified in the 15 week course, that dog is flunked out.

The dogs are reliable to be accurate, and I have testified in court a dozen times to that effect. The motives of the officers/handlers can absolutely swing the dogs one way or another.

It is NOT the dogs. It is the handlers. And all of you Lazy-boy Monday morning quarterbacks have no idea what you are talking about.

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Safer than actually making a difference.

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I got pulled over on my way to a gun match.  Cop had a ride along individual with him in passenger seat.  He tripped out that I had two pistols in my car.  Why do you need two pistols?  Cuz its my back up in case my primary fails.  Nope.

He calls in 3 other units & searches my car.  1 hour of searching & found...nothing. Let me go with a "stern warning" to slow down & to be mindful of how I carry guns in my car. Ughm.  They were in gun bags in a tacticool range bag.  Unloaded.  No magazines in them.

I complained to the Sgt. in charge but, of course, nothing came of it.

Definitely some police out there wanting to show off & get glory for their lot in life.

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I have been shot at twice on interdiction stops. If you think those running drugs are just friendly mules and the cartels are like the Hells Angels and are just great pillars in our community helping the needy children with toy drives, you are in need of a new compass.

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I have been shot at twice on interdiction stops. If you think those running drugs are just friendly mules and the cartels are like the Hells Angels and are just great pillars in our community helping the needy children with toy drives, you are in need of a new compass.

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Did you miss the post that this happened in a state where cops do pull people over in unmarked units? Why does what happened in other states matter  in anyway to the problem OP’s son created for himself?

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"Virtually every interstate and highway in the United States is used by traffickers to transport illicit drugs to and from distribution centers and market areas throughout the country, and every highway intersection provides alternative routes to drug markets. However, analysis of current seizure data reveals eight principal corridors through which most illicit drugs and drug proceeds are transported to and from market areas"

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https://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/pubs11/18862/transport.htm

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Taking advice from the legal department that approved the message telling people to verify the authenticity of the person trying to pull you over is more like it. And, yes, in most areas, 911 centers can communicate with all LEOs in the area by design. There's still interoperability problems that FEMA/CISA are trying to eliminate but it's getting better.

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Don't some LEOs out there carry debit/cc swipers to confiscate their bank funds as part of forfieture or that a myth?

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I default to disbelief because most, not some, of the facts dont make sense and the OP's "I dont want to post this on the internet because my son has to drive back that way" bit throws up more red flags than a May Day Parade in Communist China.  But hey the people buying the story hook line and sinker certainly dont have any kind of bias either now do they?

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Don't some LEOs out there carry debit/cc swipers to confiscate their bank funds as part of forfieture or that a myth?

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Always film the police.  I have front and rear cams and if pulled over, I make sure they are running.  I also place my phone recording and pace it in a holder with a view of the officer.  I do not answer questions and am polite.  I do not agree to any searches and I also state the time often for the camera.  

I keep my window rolled almost all the way up and present the material through the window.  If the officer asks the inevitable questions, I respond.  Im sorry, but on advice of my Lawyer, I do not answer questions from the police.


I also keep asking... Am I free to go?

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as is the license plate light being out, then when checked it suddenly fixes itself.

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I think meteorologists are wrong more.

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I got pulled over on my way to a gun match.  Cop had a ride along individual with him in passenger seat.  He tripped out that I had two pistols in my car.  Why do you need two pistols?  Cuz its my back up in case my primary fails.  Nope.

He calls in 3 other units & searches my car.  1 hour of searching & found...nothing. Let me go with a "stern warning" to slow down & to be mindful of how I carry guns in my car. Ughm.  They were in gun bags in a tacticool range bag.  Unloaded.  No magazines in them.

I complained to the Sgt. in charge but, of course, nothing came of it.

Definitely some police out there wanting to show off & get glory for their lot in life.

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LE or 911 call taker experience? I am guessing no if you think multiple channels, multiple agencies, and a single call center function with ease.

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This story stinks to high heaven and in no way could have went down the way you describe. You have had several MT LEO comment on this thread and say so. The most glaring red flag is the claim of $150 ticket for 10 over on the in interstate, because that is a $40 fine payable on the spot if you like. Also, they need a warrant to search even with a dog hit if they do not get permission.

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The people defending this or calling the op or his son a liar are a disgrace and show their true colors and how they conduct themselves as LE imo.

I don't know op, but his post does not come off as a troll post for 1. The details were specific, something that even an early 20s guy who is sober can remember. The story seemed consistent and plausible. Why would the son call really upset if he was to blame, had drugs, etc. and all he got was a measly speeding ticket? Even if we say the distance followed was off, the time held, car being unmarked (maybe it was hard to tell), if they were searched like that, detained, etc. and nothing found, then what happened was wrong and bullshit.

The op is fully justified in not revealing all the details, people know people on these forums and word gets around.

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I was 21 once, odds are he was doing more than 10 over.

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The people defending this or calling the op or his son a liar are a disgrace and show their true colors and how they conduct themselves as LE imo.

I don’t know op, but his post does not come off as a troll post for 1. The details were specific, something that even an early 20s guy who is sober can remember. The story seemed consistent and plausible. Why would the son call really upset if he was to blame, had drugs, etc. and all he got was a measly speeding ticket? Even if we say the distance followed was off, the time held, car being unmarked (maybe it was hard to tell), if they were searched like that, detained, etc. and nothing found, then what happened was wrong and bullshit.

The op is fully justified in not revealing all the details, people know people on these forums and word gets around.

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My son said 30 miles, no idea what the number really is.

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My 21-year-old son has been on a road trip the last few days heading from ATX to Big Sky, MT.

He's a senior at UT in Austin and got a job for the summer working at the Big Sky Lodge, he has been stoked for weeks to get on the road and see that part if the country.  He and his girlfriend, and their cat left ATX yesterday.

I gave him some fatherly advice before he left, I let him know he was driving a known drug corridor with out of state plates and was going to be pulled over if he wasn't extremely careful with his driving.  Of course, I was right.

As they drove West out of Billings this afternoon, he noticed a Dodge Durango had been following them for about 30 miles.  At some point as he accelerated to pass a few trucks the Durango lit him up.  The vehicle was unmarked, so my son dialed 911 to confirm the car was actually a real officer, they confirmed that it was, and my son pulled over.

A plain clothes officer with a canine approached the car and immediately commanded my son the exit the vehicle, did not ask for license, or registration, just demanded that he exit the vehicle (I get it the cop was pissed he didn't pull over immediately). He was cuffed and placed in the back of the unmarked unit, meanwhile the girlfriend is hysterical in the passenger seat.  The officer call for a female back up to search the girlfriend, which takes an hour, and then she is cuffed and placed in the back of the Durango. While that was going on the dog alerts on the vehicle, or maybe just got excited by the cat in the car, and the officer decides he has cause to perform a search.

The officer and the backups spend 3 hours removing every piece of luggage and searching every item in the luggage (the car was stuffed full as he was staying for the summer), and finally, after finding nothing, and leaving all their belongings on the side of the road writes him a ticket for 10 over and tells him to slow it down.

I get it, it's a drug corridor but my kid does not fit the profile, both had paperwork that they were employed for the summer, they had a real destination, my son has a clean driving record, and no criminal record, they had the cat, driving a Honda Pilot, the search was just not necessary in my opinion.

I'm far from a cop hater, I respect the police, they have a tough job, but sometimes they just do shit that I don't get.  

I guess we should be happy that he didn't bring any cash with him for them to relieve him of.

I know, cool story, Bro.

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My son just pulled into Big Sky, 3 hours late and a $150 traffic ticket lighter but he learned a couple of tough lessons today.

I'll get more details tomorrow, if anything noteworthy comes up I'll post it.

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Then perhaps the OP can go into specific detail to explain the alleged $150 fine for 10 over in light of the fact that several MT LEOs have pointed out that it is, in fact, a $40 fine.

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Its a joke is what it is. The war on drug has done nothing but create a police state with overbearing state and federal government. Put thousands of people in prison for trivial offenses. Created a black market that put billions of dollars into cartel organizations that have allowed them to turn into paramilitary organizations that control most if not all of all central and south America.

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I worked with dispatch centers in the 80's that had from 2 to 40 agencies and they worked like a swiss watch. If your dispatch center cannot handle multiple agencies in this day and age, they suck.

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The implication that I am making this up is pretty wild.

I've mentioned repeatedly that I probably don't have all the facts and I don't want to call out any agency until I have more info.

There is really no reason for my kid to make up this story, other than a speeding ticket he is not in trouble and has no reason to spin this tale to explain anything to me.

The way this came about was that I called him to ask him how the drive was going and he said, not great, I've been on the side of the road for 3 hours. When I asked him what happened he relayed the story that I posted in the OP.  

All he really had to tell me to explain the ticket was that he got caught speeding while over taking a truck.  There is really zero reason for him to tell a story about being detained and the car being tossed, he wasn't in jail or anything that he needed to lie his way out of.  

Am I missing some details or context here, probably, but the accusation that I'm making this up to smear LE is ludicrous.  

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I used to respect the cops.   Now I mostly just see them as an enemy.  They're not your friend when you're on the road.   Too many of them will lie, cheat, and fuck w/ you given half a chance.  Now I'm not saying it's all of them, but it's too many and I have no control over which ones I encounter.    I'm polite to them in my encounters, but I can't say there's respect under the polite face.  And I mostly blame the war on drugs for this.    Way too many cops looking for every way they can find to fuck people up over drugs anything they can think of.  The war is worse than the drugs.  (And I say this as someone who's never used drugs, but have known plenty of people who did over the years.)