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Posted: 8/9/2022 7:14:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @M1A4ME 1) Can you link to what the dirt parapet and the crew served look like? ETA: This link posted by another member has an example: https://www.bits.de/NRANEU/others/amd-us-archive/FM5-15%2868%29.pdf 2) So your sump is in the middle not the very side for both water and grenades?  I was taught to put the sumps on both ends. Front and overhead cover should be 18". ETA: PKM and RPD go in different holes with the fields of fire interlocking. |
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Posted: 8/9/2022 7:15:31 PM EDT
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I saw this and said, Id like to see them do that in N.H.! Everywhere I dig is granite.
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Posted: 8/9/2022 7:25:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistorySo weird that this thread has popped up. I just received the 100 sand bags I ordered about an hour ago.
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Posted: 8/9/2022 8:32:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @macman37 Yes, all on my property. Although I can’t guarantee any bullets will stay on it.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If it’s on public property just make sure some karens don’t find it and think you’re  building militia structures. Happened recently in MI.@macman37 Yes, all on my property. Although I can’t guarantee any bullets will stay on it. Rock on! 
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Posted: 8/9/2022 8:55:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get that boy a real shovel to make the digging easier. And some real shoes. |
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Posted: 8/10/2022 8:35:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @M1A4ME 1) Can you link to what the dirt parapet and the crew served look like? ETA: This link posted by another member has an example: https://www.bits.de/NRANEU/others/amd-us-archive/FM5-15%2868%29.pdf 2) So your sump is in the middle not the very side for both water and grenades? youtube video. No idea where the guy got his info but it's the closet I saw to what I remember doing (1975 to 1979).  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 8/10/2022 8:39:45 AM EDT
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Quoted: My 16 year old started digging a hole a few years ago in the backyard woods. I told him every few months to fill it back in but it never happened. So I told him a week ago that we may as well make it a foxhole. 1) Any advice on design? I’ve searched the internet and there are a lot of designs out there. 2) Any advice on what to use for sandbags? We have plenty of fill for them coming out of the hole. Yes, he’s using sandals to dig but it’s actually going well. There is a stream that separates me from my neighbor’s property. It’s all woods around the hole. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/418E9A59-A1D7-446C-83BB-59CF12CC577C-2481171.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/6E210E0B-D0E6-449F-A874-E566E6FBFDC2-2481161.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/BC5E703D-0A7F-4062-BDEE-2773A229C4DC-2481162.jpg This is actually an American Pioneer Corps task. How does your son feel about hiking, mountain climbing, boating, and shooting? I'll post some good stuff later when I'm on a computer. |
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Posted: 8/10/2022 8:52:56 AM EDT
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 1938 U.S. Army training film, Infantry Hasty Field Fortifications (full) |
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Posted: 8/10/2022 9:04:49 AM EDT
[#9]
 Platoon (1986) - Hell Is the Impossibility of Reason Scene (1/10) | Movieclips |
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Posted: 8/10/2022 9:07:32 AM EDT
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Today I learned what a grenade sump is
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Posted: 8/10/2022 9:11:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Today I learned what a grenade sump is They are kinda important. |
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Posted: 8/10/2022 9:14:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get that boy a real shovel to make the digging easier. Give that boy an E-Tool so he learns something.
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Posted: 8/10/2022 9:52:50 AM EDT
[#13]
Don't forget an ammo can to shit in.
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Posted: 8/10/2022 11:32:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: somebody link the FM. grenade sump overhead cover make sure its deep enough to stand in left and right firing limit sector markers visible contact w interlockn homies position range card all the sandbags Dig an escape too. If you're intending to camo it (highly recommend), put things a bit away from it which will draw the eye of an observer away from the actual position. And, building up the side facing your house will prevent someone from jumping in and firing on you - and, it will help mask the movements of those in the hole, too. |
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Posted: 8/10/2022 11:56:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't forget an ammo can to shit in. Please tell me that it’s SOP to put a plastic bag in first. Wait, isn’t that what the sump is for? 
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Posted: 8/10/2022 12:25:37 PM EDT
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OP-
Check out the following links for detailed instructions: Army Study Guide Individual Fighting Positions Slideshow on Fighting Position Construction Look here and scroll for Crew Served Weapons fighting positions. Good luck, and look forward to seeing the finished product.
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Posted: 8/10/2022 12:28:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't forget the grenade sump. SUMPS! I put them in all the corners. |
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Posted: 8/10/2022 12:33:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most importantly when you fill the hole back in make sure you bury all your MRE trash and unused blanks. Future archeologists thank you. Lol, truth. I dug a machine gun position at Le Jeune around 89. I must have selected a good position as I was turning up en blocs and steel links as well as c rat cans. |
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Posted: 8/10/2022 12:36:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryLol, my mg range cards were usually scrawled on an opened up box that said bean component or maple nut cake. Maybe a cardboard insert to a 7.62mm ammo box. In infantry scool when the sergeant came around looking at the crew served fox holes, me being the shortest was always the person standing in the pit for scale, not my 6’ tall class mate. In the Marines we dug horse shoe shaped pits not the army style corner pedestal type. |
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Posted: 8/10/2022 12:39:20 PM EDT
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Our water table doesn't lend itself to fox holes unless its a very dry season.
Bagging a barn sniper hid could work though. My weird wife uses our barn for storage though. |
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Posted: 8/10/2022 12:44:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/21/2022 1:00:15 PM EDT
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Any update on the foxhole OP?
I love stuff like this and want to see the progress. Plus I wanted to bump this for for others who have made one. Pics and tips would be cool |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 1:06:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: My 16 year old started digging a hole a few years ago in the backyard woods. I told him every few months to fill it back in but it never happened. So I told him a week ago that we may as well make it a foxhole. 1) Any advice on design? I’ve searched the internet and there are a lot of designs out there. 2) Any advice on what to use for sandbags? We have plenty of fill for them coming out of the hole. Yes, he’s using sandals to dig but it’s actually going well. There is a stream that separates me from my neighbor’s property. It’s all woods around the hole. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/418E9A59-A1D7-446C-83BB-59CF12CC577C-2481171.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/6E210E0B-D0E6-449F-A874-E566E6FBFDC2-2481161.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/BC5E703D-0A7F-4062-BDEE-2773A229C4DC-2481162.jpg Screen name may be your answer... Seriously, get the kid proper boots and shovel! |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 1:38:41 PM EDT
[#24]
Get the boy a 'SEE' tractor!!! Makes digging fox holes much easier!!!!
Good for the boy to put that much energy into this!!!! |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 1:46:06 PM EDT
[#25]
that boy needs some sandbags.
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Posted: 8/21/2022 1:49:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw this and said, Id like to see them do that in N.H.! Everywhere I dig is granite. Mine area is almost as bad. Mountains got rocky bones. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 2:00:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Armpit deep, 2 rifles wide, 1rifle long. Camouflage from all directions Quoted for Truth. You don't need grenade sumps, keep it fun. Get some netting, fish or whatever, string it over the top via stakes and add some brush for sun shade. Lay the brush such that you can remove/replace. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 4:08:09 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Get that boy a real shovel to make the digging easier. Fuck no, a fox hole is dug with an e tool. Get the boy an e tool. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 4:14:52 PM EDT
[#29]
More like a crew served position at the moment, You could cast some dragon's teeth from concrete and make a tank trap.
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Posted: 8/21/2022 4:15:24 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't forget the grenade sump. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 4:32:55 PM EDT
[#31]
I bet there's at least 10 agents from multiple 3 letter agencies watching this thread with an erection.
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Posted: 8/21/2022 4:48:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are kinda important. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Today I learned what a grenade sump is They are kinda important. How deep should they be? In case Vic didn’t know
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Posted: 8/21/2022 4:58:10 PM EDT
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Kinda curious as to what his intentions were when he first started digging it.
Might want to start locking your bedroom door while you sleep. . |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 5:02:19 PM EDT
[#34]
Already been said..Claymore's, gotta have claymore's set.
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Posted: 8/21/2022 5:51:04 PM EDT
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any type of roofing or building siding corrugated sheet metal leftover scrap works best. wood posts or leftover lumber to keep it in place. metal baling wire used around farm works perfect to anchor when needed.
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Posted: 8/21/2022 6:00:34 PM EDT
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Edit: damn, older thread and already well covered.
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Posted: 8/21/2022 6:01:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Already been said..Claymore's, gotta have claymore's set. Tannerite next to some boxes of nails will have to do. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 6:07:39 PM EDT
[#38]
Grenade sump, overhead cover (not concealment), clear fields of fire (not clearing everything), armpit deep.
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Posted: 8/21/2022 6:24:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, truth. I dug a machine gun position at Le Jeune around 89. I must have selected a good position as I was turning up en blocs and steel links as well as c rat cans. There probably aren't many places at Lejeune and Benning that haven't been a foxhole at some point. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 6:28:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get the boy a 'SEE' tractor!!! Makes digging fox holes much easier!!!! Good for the boy to put that much energy into this!!!! The time you save digging you will spend fixing the SEE. That thing consistently burned half my maintenance budget and we barely used it. Thing would break on the drive from the shop back to the motor pool. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 6:36:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bet there's at least 10 agents from multiple 3 letter agencies watching this thread with an erection. Well, at least one, but I think he’s mostly harmless. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 6:38:43 PM EDT
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OP, would you say that the watercourse that marks your property line is more of a stream, or brook?
Is it possible that the location of the boys field fortification might be positioned to view said flowing water and adjacent activities? |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 10:53:13 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is actually an American Pioneer Corps task. How does your son feel about hiking, mountain climbing, boating, and shooting? I'll post some good stuff later when I'm on a computer. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My 16 year old started digging a hole a few years ago in the backyard woods. I told him every few months to fill it back in but it never happened. So I told him a week ago that we may as well make it a foxhole. 1) Any advice on design? I’ve searched the internet and there are a lot of designs out there. 2) Any advice on what to use for sandbags? We have plenty of fill for them coming out of the hole. Yes, he’s using sandals to dig but it’s actually going well. There is a stream that separates me from my neighbor’s property. It’s all woods around the hole. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/418E9A59-A1D7-446C-83BB-59CF12CC577C-2481171.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/6E210E0B-D0E6-449F-A874-E566E6FBFDC2-2481161.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/BC5E703D-0A7F-4062-BDEE-2773A229C4DC-2481162.jpg This is actually an American Pioneer Corps task. How does your son feel about hiking, mountain climbing, boating, and shooting? I'll post some good stuff later when I'm on a computer. @Ben I will post more later. He’s physically fit and I did contact the NH APC chapter a while back but I don’t know what happened as I don’t recall getting anything more than a confirmation they received my email, and I haven’t tried contacting them again. He is a great hiker, loves guns and we canoe. He is 16. My 14 y/o is not as motivated but he’s getting there. I actually do more with him outdoors. I am reading every post and will get back to commenting on the responses. A quick question regarding access: Is the part in yellow an area where I can put steps to get into the “foxhole”? It’s a bitch to get in and out. My plan would be to ring the MG pit (if that’s what this ends up as) with sandbags.  I also think that this is turning out more as a machine gun pit rather than a foxhole, and the design is changing accordingly. I want to put the soil into sandbags and they arrived so I am going to have both sons fill them for now to clean up the area around the hole. I also bought a proper shovel and also a shovel to dig out the grenade sumps down to 2 feet, which will also help with water drainage. I take Russian Systema and both kids also take classes. I have a Cold Steel Russian shovel for them as well. My sensei has shown us how to use it as a weapon.  More updates to come and I will quote and comment on responses that have asked for it. Thank you! |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 10:56:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP, would you say that the watercourse that marks your property line is more of a stream, or brook? Is it possible that the location of the boys field fortification might be positioned to view said flowing water and adjacent activities? @FightingHellfish Year-round stream that is usually passable except with the spring run-off when it is treacherous. One problem is the current location has a large mound of soil with small trees in it that blocks the view of a portion of the stream. To take it down with be a lot of effort but I’m now wondering if it would be possible, or if it would make more sense to put a razor wire obstacle between the mound and the stream to funnel people into view on either side of the MG pit? 
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Posted: 8/21/2022 11:04:14 PM EDT
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Steps? Steps go into bunkers.
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Posted: 8/21/2022 11:15:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.armystudyguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/c0011.gif I was taught to put the sumps on both ends. Front and overhead cover should be 18". ETA: PKM and RPD go in different holes with the fields of fire interlocking. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @M1A4ME 1) Can you link to what the dirt parapet and the crew served look like? ETA: This link posted by another member has an example: https://www.bits.de/NRANEU/others/amd-us-archive/FM5-15%2868%29.pdf 2) So your sump is in the middle not the very side for both water and grenades? https://www.armystudyguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/c0011.gif I was taught to put the sumps on both ends. Front and overhead cover should be 18". ETA: PKM and RPD go in different holes with the fields of fire interlocking. @slapdaddy @Pro_Patria_431 I am thinking that it may be better to extend the hole around the earthen mound and had PKM/RPD positions on either end. I also have RPK’s. Forgot to mention that (Romanian RPK’s in 7.62).  |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 11:15:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: youtube video. No idea where the guy got his info but it's the closet I saw to what I remember doing (1975 to 1979).  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-6wpol5btsQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @M1A4ME 1) Can you link to what the dirt parapet and the crew served look like? ETA: This link posted by another member has an example: https://www.bits.de/NRANEU/others/amd-us-archive/FM5-15%2868%29.pdf 2) So your sump is in the middle not the very side for both water and grenades? youtube video. No idea where the guy got his info but it's the closet I saw to what I remember doing (1975 to 1979). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-6wpol5btsUgh. “Video removed by uploader”. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 11:19:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP- Check out the following links for detailed instructions: Army Study Guide Individual Fighting Positions Slideshow on Fighting Position Construction Look here and scroll for Crew Served Weapons fighting positions. Good luck, and look forward to seeing the finished product. Will read! |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 11:21:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Steps? Steps go into bunkers. OK! |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 11:43:37 PM EDT
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For our WW2 reenactment here is our overnight outpost for the ETO reenactment. Not textbook but it's what you get at 1900 with light fading.
 Same event, in the Marine camp they dug an MG pit that will actually defend against a Banzai charge later in the PTO reenactment 
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