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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:07:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Out of NATO should not be an issue. The Baltics can form their own alliance and not be in NATO. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Keeping Ukraine out of nato is a red herring since they weren’t getting brought in. Also, that agreement would be as useful as the one where Russia promised not to invade inf they gave up their nukes. Out of NATO should not be an issue. The Baltics can form their own alliance and not be in NATO. Water under the bridge. |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:07:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vinnland: He posted the maximum damage scenaro for the US on twitter:
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:08:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit8472: Captured occupiers in Mariupol school Guess they’re close enough to infiltrate some…? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/539199/7F532D60-D753-4F7C-94F0-76A1111011ED_jpe-2311614.JPG OAB likes “taking” prisoners  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:08:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Water under the bridge. It is a bargaining chip. |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:09:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv: Plane burning, crashing. 2 chutes. This morning our soldiers shot down a plane of the Russian occupiers near Izyum, the pilots ejected https://t.me/dvish_alive/9990 Ukraine seems like it’s doing a pretty good job on its own of making it a No Fly Zone. |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:09:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Keeping Ukraine out of nato is a red herring since they weren’t getting brought in. Also, that agreement would be as useful as the one where Russia promised not to invade inf they gave up their nukes. Put yourself in Ukraine's position, not the popular pro-western media position that Zelensky is in. What are your goals and how do you achieve them in this situation? NATO is not coming to help. There will not be any no-fly zones, and there will not be any transfers of fighter jets. Ukraine is in the position of having tools (supplied by the west) that require sacrifices for prolonging a losing strategy, a strategy that the west is happy to support because it degrades Russian capabilities. Ukraine is a pawn, and they know it. Article 5 of nato is what Russia is leveraging, and Ukraine is not part of that leverage. |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:11:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:11:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glock63: Uhh, no. Both us and Britain for sure had sent anti tank weapons and more before the invasion began. Id wager others did too. The USA and Great Britain had trainers there with state of the art anti tank weapon training for years. Great Britain’s contribution should not be dismissed. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:12:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv: In the area of Gostomel orcs decided to build pontoon crossings. Our Cossacks toasted them a little. Glory of the Nation https://t.me/irpininteresting/4259 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122973/photo_2022-03-13_09-08-21_jpg-2311720.JPG It didn't end well.  |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:12:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: It is a bargaining chip. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Water under the bridge. It is a bargaining chip. Kicking other Baltic countries out of NATO is a bargaining chip for Ukraine when NATO wasn't actually involved? |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:14:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: Ukraine seems like it’s doing a pretty good job on its own of making it a No Fly Zone. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: Originally Posted By hondaciv: Plane burning, crashing. 2 chutes. This morning our soldiers shot down a plane of the Russian occupiers near Izyum, the pilots ejected https://t.me/dvish_alive/9990 Ukraine seems like it’s doing a pretty good job on its own of making it a No Fly Zone. The fact that the Russians still don't have air superiority is remarkable, though certainly in line with their piss poor performance on the ground. |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:14:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brok3n: These are some of the pages I've been following on a platform that allows you to view Twatter without an account: https://nitter.net/IntelCrab https://nitter.net/michaeldweiss https://nitter.net/RALee85 https://nitter.net/EuromaidanPress Current "Ukraine specific" list: @Sad_Girl_4_u @EuromaidanPress @Ukrbreakingnews @UAWeapons @Brave_spirit_IV |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:16:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:16:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryGreat movie, I love that scene. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:17:19 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:19:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naporter: The fact that the Russians still don't have air superiority is remarkable, though certainly in line with their piss poor performance on the ground. |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:20:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Keeping Ukraine out of nato is a red herring since they weren’t getting brought in. Also, that agreement would be as useful as the one where Russia promised not to invade inf they gave up their nukes. You knew I was scorpion before you offered to give me a ride across the river, so what did you expect to happen? |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:22:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Star_Scream]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whollyshite: Thanks! Those are some new ones. I'm not sure what that bot covers, and it's probably quite a few of these, but here's my current list: @EndGameWW3 @TheStudyofWar @DefenseIntel @L_Team10 @Michael1Sheldon @CIA @IntelCrab @RALee85 @The_Lookout_N @vcdgf555 @air_intel @Archer83Able @AuroraIntel @projectowlosint @Global_Mil_Info @Cyber_O51NT @ELINTNews @ImageSatIntl @terror_alarm @CovertShores You got most of mine I also watch @oryxspioenkop @causcasuswar @uaweapons @menaconflicted @sierra__alpha @inteldoge @rejercitos |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:22:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: You knew I was scorpion before you offered to give me a ride across the river, so what did you expect to happen? Truth is the first casualty of war, always has been and always will be. |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:23:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv: For the 10th time, when you surrender, you are a POW. You don't fight war crimes with war crimes in the court of public opinion. Which is the only way Ukraine wins this war. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv: Originally Posted By cryo_tech: Originally Posted By Freiheit8472: Captured occupiers in Mariupol school Guess they’re close enough to infiltrate some…? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/539199/7F532D60-D753-4F7C-94F0-76A1111011ED_jpe-2311614.JPG For the 10th time. They are bombing hospitals, targeting civilians. Stop.... Taking.... Prisoners.... For the 10th time, when you surrender, you are a POW. You don't fight war crimes with war crimes in the court of public opinion. Which is the only way Ukraine wins this war. Agreed. All this talk about torturing and murdering the POWs sounds like a bunch of chairborne ranger bravado. Besides Ukraine showing they treat the captives reasonably well and with dignity is the best way to get any Russian soldiers who are on the fence about this war to just surrender. If they showed cruelty, even the ones against the war would keep fighting so that they don't have to face execution or torture. It's just common sense. Even for internal consumption for civilians back in Russia (some of this leaks back I'm sure regardless of how much Putin tries to crack down on it) it's more advantageous for Ukraine to have Russian wives and mothers screaming at the government to return their captured husbands/sons and stop sending more of them into this senseless war, rather than grieving families demanding revenge on Ukraine at any cost. |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:23:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: You knew I was scorpion before you offered to give me a ride across the river, so what did you expect to happen? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Keeping Ukraine out of nato is a red herring since they weren’t getting brought in. Also, that agreement would be as useful as the one where Russia promised not to invade inf they gave up their nukes. You knew I was scorpion before you offered to give me a ride across the river, so what did you expect to happen? Is that parable supposed to be relevant to this discussion? |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:23:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GlockZen: Ukraine.doesnt.need NATO. If Ukraine gets peace the west will rebuild it as Switzerland of the east. Russia has created a permanent enemy for the next 100 years. Ukraine will work on a nuclear program, guarantee it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GlockZen: Originally Posted By SheltiePimp: Positive signals on both sides coming out of negotiations. Ukrainians are in the difficult position of not upsetting their donors and supporters by agreeing to Russian appeasement, Russia just needs an agreement that upholds their initial goals (no NATO in Ukraine). Peace is the prize for Ukraine. For Russia, it's an agreement to not let Ukraine join NATO. Ukraine.doesnt.need NATO. If Ukraine gets peace the west will rebuild it as Switzerland of the east. Russia has created a permanent enemy for the next 100 years. Ukraine will work on a nuclear program, guarantee it. Assume some sort of peace agreement: 1) War crimes will still be investigated, and pressure to prosecute. 2) Western countries won't be rushing back to Russia. Sure some will, but a lot damage done. 3) Europe must surely understand more must be spent on defense, and energy sourcing diversified. 4) Putin's position at home seems greatly weakened, still has his eye on the Baltics. 5) Who is picking up the tab to rebuild UKR? 6) UKR planting season still disrupted, food shortages certain. |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:24:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: If true, dudes a ATGM Ace. He just loves bustin’ tanks. He’s only used a firearm a handful of times ever. 
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:24:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: The USA and Great Britain had trainers there with state of the art anti tank weapon training for years. Great Britain's contribution should not be dismissed. It's probably why they're holding ground as well as they are. |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:30:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Individualist: Looks like my fate will be vaporization since I'm between KC and Ft. Leavenworth. I got lost there after a Metallica concert at Kemper. |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:34:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brok3n: T-90 knocked out by the Ukrainian army - Video at Link Shtora self-defese system took a shitora  No worky!!! |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:36:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Many people think it’s just the US and Russia launching at each other. Once one Nuke goes off they all get launched. Russia will launch them at U.S., Europe, China, Australia, China will launch at U.S., Australia, Russia, etc India will launch at Pakistan and China. Israel will nuke Iran, etc It’s not like Russia would nuke us and allow China not to get nuked. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By nickmemphis: A few other thoughts about global thermonuclear war. First of all, if it happens at all, there won't be any nonsense about limited this, and restrained ROE bullshit. The first time someone lets a nuke loose in anger, every other nuclear power on the planet is going to freak and use theirs before they lose them. Weapon accuracy CEP is like <100 meters now, so no one has any launch sites that can survive that, so it's immediately launch now or forever hold your peace. With reference to ground based ICBM sites in fixed locations. You can't exactly keep them secret anymore. Many people think it’s just the US and Russia launching at each other. Once one Nuke goes off they all get launched. Russia will launch them at U.S., Europe, China, Australia, China will launch at U.S., Australia, Russia, etc India will launch at Pakistan and China. Israel will nuke Iran, etc It’s not like Russia would nuke us and allow China not to get nuked. Russia has always had this stupid theory that they could use battlefield nukes and then negotiate a deescalation, based on what they apparently think is our perceived unwillingness to bust cities or lose cities. |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:38:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:40:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voodochild: If Iran gets froggy then we let the Izzy's off the leash. They've been itching to fuck Iran up for a while. |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:40:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: nickmemphis]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Is that parable supposed to be relevant to this discussion? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By nickmemphis: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Keeping Ukraine out of nato is a red herring since they weren’t getting brought in. Also, that agreement would be as useful as the one where Russia promised not to invade inf they gave up their nukes. You knew I was scorpion before you offered to give me a ride across the river, so what did you expect to happen? Is that parable supposed to be relevant to this discussion? You don't think it has relevance? A parable about being nice to a scorpion that does what scorpions do even though you were nice and trusting, because that's the nature of a scorpion? |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:42:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SheltiePimp: Positive signals on both sides coming out of negotiations. Ukrainians are in the difficult position of not upsetting their donors and supporters by agreeing to Russian appeasement, Russia just needs an agreement that upholds their initial goals (no NATO in Ukraine). Peace is the prize for Ukraine. For Russia, it's an agreement to not let Ukraine join NATO. Their initial goal was rule over Ukraine from Moscow, either directly or through a puppet. Allowing an independent government even with some territorial concessions by Ukraine is a significant reduction from their initial goal. Of course, since 'de-nazification' is a fake term, they can declare victory on that, whatever the outcome. |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:43:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By W_E_G: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105614/1A23C137-B96B-445D-82AC-00FF509D885B_jpe-2311692.JPG  Attached FileQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By W_E_G: Originally Posted By thesilvercord:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105614/1A23C137-B96B-445D-82AC-00FF509D885B_jpe-2311692.JPG Attached FileAnyone that believes this will be in for a rude awakening. The idea that China has some kind of brotherhood or kinship with Russia, or that they would help them out driven by some nebulous sense of charity, is laughable. China only cares about one thing: advancing the agenda of the CCP. And going to war for Russia is hardly in their interest. They will probably offer to syphon any resources they can access from Russia for a dirt cheap price. They will do whatever they can to exploit the situation to their benefit. Other than that they'll let the Russians self-destruct all day long. |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:43:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thesilvercord:
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:44:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vinnland: He posted the maximum damage scenaro for the US on twitter:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNsKR_OVsAMkRHY?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Why does Madison get a nuke?  Madison's on their side.  
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:44:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By atavistic: Assume some sort of peace agreement: 1) War crimes will still be investigated, and pressure to prosecute. 2) Western countries won't be rushing back to Russia. Sure some will, but a lot damage done. 3) Europe must surely understand more must be spent on defense, and energy sourcing diversified. 4) Putin's position at home seems greatly weakened, still has his eye on the Baltics. 5) Who is picking up the tab to rebuild UKR? 6) UKR planting season still disrupted, food shortages certain. 8) In any future military incursion NO ONE will be intimidated by them. In fact anywhere they go like in Syria neighboring forces eager to prove themselves will join the side against Russia. They know they might even get to go home with new equipment! 9) Every country who's been cozy with Russia as a way to offset power of a neighbor friendly to the US will be rethinking the value of that friendship and looking for new partners. That weakens Russia in diplomatic affairs like UN votes and such. All things that will happen even in the best case scenario from here. No matter the Ukraine outcome, Russia is DONE as a military power and as a nation with economic and diplomatic influence. For the next couple generations at least, they are nothing but a third world country with nukes. |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:45:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: Great movie, I love that scene. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: Great movie, I love that scene. "Okay!"  Easily the most watched movie of my life. I know the entire opening narration by heart. "My life fades, the vision dims..." 
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:46:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: nickmemphis]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: You don't think it has relevance? A parable about being nice to a scorpion that does what scorpions do even though you were nice and trusting, because that's the nature of a scorpion? The Russian scorpion promised to be nice and not do any nasty invading type scorpion stuff if Ukraine gave up their nukes and didn't get too cozy with NATO. How's that going just now? |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:48:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: A few other thoughts about global thermonuclear war. First of all, if it happens at all, there won't be any nonsense about limited this, and restrained ROE bullshit. The first time someone lets a nuke loose in anger, every other nuclear power on the planet is going to freak and use theirs before they lose them. Weapon accuracy CEP is like <100 meters now, so no one has any launch sites that can survive that, so it's immediately launch now or forever hold your peace. With reference to ground based ICBM sites in fixed locations. You can't exactly keep them secret anymore. I hope you are wrong because I think there is a 50% chance Putin fires off a tactical one before this is all over. Especially after the way this is working out for him. |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:51:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Element94: Damn!! Hell of a coincidence!!! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Element94: Originally Posted By hondaciv: Pretty sure it's 2 different people. The Nazi has a turtleneck-thing on. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122973/Screenshot_from_2022-03-13_09-05-55_png-2311710.JPG Damn!! Hell of a coincidence!!! Dude, are you blind? It's clearly not the same piece of clothing. One is a knit sweater looking thing, the other is a fleece one with a zipped collar. They look distinctly different. Can you not see that?
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:52:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: The Russian scorpion promised to be nice and not do any nasty invading type scorpion stuff if Ukraine gave up their nukes and didn't get too cozy with NATO. How's that going just now? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: Originally Posted By nickmemphis: You don't think it has relevance? A parable about being nice to a scorpion that does what scorpions do even though you were nice and trusting, because that's the nature of a scorpion? The Russian scorpion promised to be nice and not do any nasty invading type scorpion stuff if Ukraine gave up their nukes and didn't get too cozy with NATO. How's that going just now? Ukraine never promised not be cozy with NATO. They gave up their nukes, which they probably would have struggled to maintain in the first place, in exchange for assurances which were rather worthless in all honesty. Despite Punit's grandstanding, nothing of this has anything to do with a potential NATO membership for Ukraine. |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:53:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Why does Madison get a nuke? Madison's on their side. There's a guard base there. If you read his methods he also explains the Russians had plans to nuke every civilian airport with runways the military could use. |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:53:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: 7) Sales of Russian military hardware falls to near zero. That's no small thing for their economy. 8) In any future military incursion NO ONE will be intimidated by them. In fact anywhere they go like in Syria neighboring forces eager to prove themselves will join the side against Russia. They know they might even get to go home with new equipment! 9) Every country who's been cozy with Russia as a way to offset power of a neighbor friendly to the US will be rethinking the value of that friendship and looking for new partners. That weakens Russia in diplomatic affairs like UN votes and such. All things that will happen even in the best case scenario from here. No matter the Ukraine outcome, Russia is DONE as a military power and as a nation with economic and diplomatic influence. For the next couple generations at least, they are nothing but a third world country with nukes. Will have to wait and see if it happens. But why would NATO be jumping through their asses to improve their military and Finland and Sweden wanting to join NATO if Russia is going to be kaput after this? China? |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:55:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: The USA and Great Britain had trainers there with state of the art anti tank weapon training for years. Great Britain’s contribution should not be dismissed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: Originally Posted By Glock63: Uhh, no. Both us and Britain for sure had sent anti tank weapons and more before the invasion began. Id wager others did too. The USA and Great Britain had trainers there with state of the art anti tank weapon training for years. Great Britain’s contribution should not be dismissed. For as much as we helped them with lend lease in WW2 we sure do have a lot of proxy wars with Russia. Ungrateful fucks. |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:55:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:56:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNvBvSyX0AAvUnS?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 looks like the russians pulled back from Skadovsk, by Crimea. kinda surprising, but I guess they needed those troops elsewhere. |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:59:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv: In the area of Gostomel orcs decided to build pontoon crossings. Our Cossacks toasted them a little. Glory of the Nation https://t.me/irpininteresting/4259 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122973/photo_2022-03-13_09-08-21_jpg-2311720.JPG Every war has a nickname for the enemy. The fact the Russians are called Orcs is incredible. |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:59:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bunn19: I hope you are wrong because I think there is a 50% chance Putin fires off a tactical one before this is all over. Especially after the way this is working out for him. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bunn19: Originally Posted By nickmemphis: A few other thoughts about global thermonuclear war. First of all, if it happens at all, there won't be any nonsense about limited this, and restrained ROE bullshit. The first time someone lets a nuke loose in anger, every other nuclear power on the planet is going to freak and use theirs before they lose them. Weapon accuracy CEP is like <100 meters now, so no one has any launch sites that can survive that, so it's immediately launch now or forever hold your peace. With reference to ground based ICBM sites in fixed locations. You can't exactly keep them secret anymore. I hope you are wrong because I think there is a 50% chance Putin fires off a tactical one before this is all over. Especially after the way this is working out for him. I for damn sure hope I'm wrong too, but unfortunately I don't think I am. When I was doing the missile base salvage stuff with Atlas Metals, LLC, living in the Bushong Atlas E site east of Council Grove, I was all up into the whole nuclear strategy thing. The simple fact is you have to use your nukes ASAP when they start flying, because you are not going to get a second chance. The vehicles are just too damn accurate, like the high rent. It's not physically possible to build a structure that can withstand a direct nuclear ground burst. Even a wee teeny itty bitty one. It's as hot as the core of a star. Normal matter doesn't exist in those conditions. |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 12:01:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spade: Russia has always had this stupid theory that they could use battlefield nukes and then negotiate a deescalation, based on what they apparently think is our perceived unwillingness to bust cities or lose cities. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spade: Originally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By nickmemphis: A few other thoughts about global thermonuclear war. First of all, if it happens at all, there won't be any nonsense about limited this, and restrained ROE bullshit. The first time someone lets a nuke loose in anger, every other nuclear power on the planet is going to freak and use theirs before they lose them. Weapon accuracy CEP is like <100 meters now, so no one has any launch sites that can survive that, so it's immediately launch now or forever hold your peace. With reference to ground based ICBM sites in fixed locations. You can't exactly keep them secret anymore. Many people think it’s just the US and Russia launching at each other. Once one Nuke goes off they all get launched. Russia will launch them at U.S., Europe, China, Australia, China will launch at U.S., Australia, Russia, etc India will launch at Pakistan and China. Israel will nuke Iran, etc It’s not like Russia would nuke us and allow China not to get nuked. Russia has always had this stupid theory that they could use battlefield nukes and then negotiate a deescalation, based on what they apparently think is our perceived unwillingness to bust cities or lose cities. Are they wrong, though? Right now, I don't know. |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 12:01:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Balu: Dude, are you blind? It's clearly not the same piece of clothing. One is a knit sweater looking thing, the other is a fleece one with a zipped collar. They look distinctly different. Can you not see that?In the small pic of the journalist, those details are not that clear. In any event my post you just replied to was an agreement that I was mistaken. Don't be a dick. |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 12:04:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: A few other thoughts about global thermonuclear war. First of all, if it happens at all, there won't be any nonsense about limited this, and restrained ROE bullshit. The first time someone lets a nuke loose in anger, every other nuclear power on the planet is going to freak and use theirs before they lose them. Weapon accuracy CEP is like <100 meters now, so no one has any launch sites that can survive that, so it's immediately launch now or forever hold your peace. With reference to ground based ICBM sites in fixed locations. You can't exactly keep them secret anymore. You are not factoring in who our President is. Biden tends to make the wrong decisions on war and international issues. |
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