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Link Posted: 3/17/2022 3:58:32 PM EDT
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How many times will the Z man ask for a no fly zone?  How many times will NATO/USA state we won't be enforcing a NFZ/

Nuclear war doom is getting tiresome.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 3:58:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RattleCanAR:

Negotiations will have allow Russian pride to come into play because they won’t run off with their tales between their legs.

Ukrainian leaders will need to agree to not pursuing NATO and political neutrality. If Russia will take that.

Otherwise Russia will just keep throwing bodies at it and will win through attrition.
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Originally Posted By RattleCanAR:
Originally Posted By stone-age:


I think for russia, chemical weapons are definitely on the table.

I **hope** they can find a way to tactically withdraw and declare victory before they feel chemical weapons are necessary in order to avoid embarrassment. Bleed, russia. Bleed.

Negotiations will have allow Russian pride to come into play because they won’t run off with their tales between their legs.

Ukrainian leaders will need to agree to not pursuing NATO and political neutrality. If Russia will take that.

Otherwise Russia will just keep throwing bodies at it and will win through attrition.


They'll take the ground, eventually.  Ukraine was always the underdog and can't really stand toe-to-toe to Russia forever.

With that said, we all know that there's more to occupying a hostile country than winning the initial round of ground combat.  After that, you've got to hold it.  You'll be holding it against an enemy that blends in, knows the land, and hates you with a passion.  We've seen how this turns out, and that's after 20 years and a trillion dollars.  Russia doesn't have those types of resources.

The short game will go to the Russians, unless the UKRs break the will of the Russian military and the sanctions break the will of the Russian people/government.  I still think that, if this happens, the UKRs win a relatively "short" long game, assuming that their (UKR) willpower is not broken.

Personally, I think you let Russia continue to destroy itself.  That's what they're doing, even if they don't realize it.  The worst thing that can happen to Russia is that they "win" this war.  That's when the real pain starts.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 3:59:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AROKIE:



Tell the Q-quacks it's over then.  The ones who latch onto anything conspiracy wise are the ones who keep bringing it up
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every random conspiracy does not equal Q.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 3:59:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SWIRE:

That's because you but mostly others left a really deep impression on this board by how hard you were pushing the Q koolaid and brow beating anyone that dare question it.  How could all of them turn their backs on something they believe in so strongly?  

Also the Q crap is still around, look at what Rep Greene was saying.  I still see other far right people parroting that type of thing.
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Originally Posted By SilverBearX:
Originally Posted By thehun06:
Originally Posted By mnd6563:
I just learned on another GD thread that the Russian invasion of Ukraine is really about covering up the Clinton foundation sourcing child sex slaves in Ukraine along with bio lab experimentation related to the NWO wanting to reduce global populations.  

I think I'll just stick to this thread for the foreseeable future...


Other than the far left...the most dangerous movement is this stupid Q crap...

Guys,
"Q" has been over for more than a year and a half.  Hillary running a secret server, a Russian Hoax to try and trap Trump, and corruption in government are not dependent on "Q".
The only ones still bringing up "Q" are you all.

That's because you but mostly others left a really deep impression on this board by how hard you were pushing the Q koolaid and brow beating anyone that dare question it.  How could all of them turn their backs on something they believe in so strongly?  

Also the Q crap is still around, look at what Rep Greene was saying.  I still see other far right people parroting that type of thing.


So MTG has mentioned and sided with Q over this?  Can you cite that, please?
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:00:01 PM EDT
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So now both potato and Blinken are pointing the war crime finger, citing the deliberate targeting of civilians.  Apparently neither one of those clowns know much history.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:00:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Chaingun:
This is what happens when Russia's defensive army goes on the offence.

200,000 troops is not an invasion force for a country of 44 million
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Originally Posted By Chaingun:
Originally Posted By PurpleOtter:
According to Ukrinform, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine said this in a statement released on Facebook.

"The occupying forces lost their offensive potential and were stopped in all directions. The enemy has significant problems with logistics and continues to suffer losses. In some directions, it blocks units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Since the enemy used almost the entire set of Kalibr sea-based cruise missiles and Iskander tactical missile systems during the first 20 days of the operation, they continue to launch missile and bomb strikes on infrastructure and housing quarters of large cities, using indiscriminate weapons," the ministry said.It added that in violation of international humanitarian law, Russian aggressors continue to take hostage and kill civilians, fire on civilian cars, obstruct the movement of humanitarian convoys to evacuate the population via mutually agreed "green corridors," use civilian infrastructure to store weapons and equipment, and resort to looting.

"The enemy continues to keep the Ukrainian city of Mariupol under siege and has switched to the total destruction of civilian infrastructure, residential houses and critical infrastructure, creating the preconditions for deepening the humanitarian crisis in the city," the Defense Ministry added.

In order to intimidate the civilian population in the temporarily occupied territories, the invaders abducted and detained representatives of state authorities and local government agencies.

Since February 24, Russian troops have been shelling and destroying infrastructure, residential areas of Ukrainian cities and villages using artillery, multiple launch rocket systems and ballistic missiles.
Russian troops used almost the entire set of Kalibr cruise missiles and Iskander tactical missile systems.
This is what happens when Russia's defensive army goes on the offence.

200,000 troops is not an invasion force for a country of 44 million


Also, apparently everybody totally underestimates their munitions usage in an actual fight for some reason.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:01:07 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:01:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ch3no2:
So now both potato and Blinken are pointing the war crime finger, citing the deliberate targeting of civilians.  Apparently neither one of those clowns know much history.
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Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:02:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By nickmemphis:

I am retarded and ignorant, but first of all, I don't consider fucking the cars explode when we rig them too so they are defective NBC as any kind of reliable trustworthy source and second of all, we have Nazis here, too. I bet their Nazi issue is way less than ours, and our Nazis are totally lame. Three old dudes and 14 various alphabet agency agents at meetings kind of stuff. And we never had any Nazi invasions except those saboteurs that were all caught and executed early on. The Brits turned EVERY SINGLE ONE of the Nazi agents into doubles.
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the US still has a big issue with white nationalists in prisons and x cons.

most of our large prisons you get your choice of bloods crypts cartel or nazi. You might be able to get in fights and just stay in solitary but most folks are relegated to one of those.

Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:02:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By M-1975:
Ukraine will be well fertilized then.

Russia doesn't have close to endless bodies to throw; they're already asking Arabs for help.
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I think people are underestimating how many russian bodies putin is willing to throw at ukraine in order to avoid embarrassment.
I think people are underestimating how many civilians putin is willing to murder in order to avoid embarrassment. Including chemical weapons in cities.
Putin is like an insane abusive  ex-boyfriend. "If I can't have you, nobody will."
I think what will stop him is if he thinks events are turning in such a way that he realistically might be taken out by his own people(unlikely), or some kind of instability might cause actual trouble in moscow because all of the troops are gone. Short of that, he is the abusive ex-boyfriend.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:04:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ch3no2:
So now both potato and Blinken are pointing the war crime finger, citing the deliberate targeting of civilians.  Apparently neither one of those clowns know much history.
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Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:04:24 PM EDT
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tl;dw: Russia is screwed.

Demographics, and The Ukraine War



Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:04:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ch3no2:
So now both potato and Blinken are pointing the war crime finger, citing the deliberate targeting of civilians.  Apparently neither one of those clowns know much history.
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i seem to recall a drone launched slap chop on an aid worker and fam
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:05:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dillydilly:

Not entirely true. Not all drone operators have to be licensed(still have to follow the rules though) hence why the Mavic Mini line up is a thing.
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Yeah it wasn't legal to buy a 1/4 oz sack of weed when I was 17, too, and it was approximately as effective as that regulation. "Oh, well shit, it's not working because it's so illegal...sorry guys, we are stymied by the law..."
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Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:07:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Obo2:

i seem to recall a drone launched slap chop on an aid worker and fam
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Berlin, 1945.  There wasn’t much left.  And yes it was deliberate.
We did what we had to do.  I have NO problem with that.
It’s the hypocrisy that I have a problem with.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:12:11 PM EDT
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Crazy combat footage. Apologize if dupe, wanted to share asap and didn’t check. Crazy near misses, familiar whistle and buzzes… lol don’t miss it. God Bless these men and protect them.

https://youtu.be/Gezu6A9zcLU
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:14:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mnd6563:
I just learned on another GD thread that the Russian invasion of Ukraine is really about covering up the Clinton foundation sourcing child sex slaves in Ukraine along with bio lab experimentation related to the NWO wanting to reduce global populations.  

I think I'll just stick to this thread for the foreseeable future...
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I've been pretty disappointed in some of the idiocy in GD lately.  I've always loved this website because there have been a bunch of SMEs that share their knowledge on different things.  This has been a great thread with lots of good insight.  Seems like more and more threads in GD have gotten dumber and dumber lately with lots of Q tards calling anyone who questions anything they say a raging liberal or "sorry your girl lost".

Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:14:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By whollyshite:


They'll take the ground, eventually.  Ukraine was always the underdog and can't really stand toe-to-toe to Russia forever.

With that said, we all know that there's more to occupying a hostile country than winning the initial round of ground combat.  After that, you've got to hold it.  You'll be holding it against an enemy that blends in, knows the land, and hates you with a passion.  We've seen how this turns out, and that's after 20 years and a trillion dollars.  Russia doesn't have those types of resources.

The short game will go to the Russians, unless the UKRs break the will of the Russian military and the sanctions break the will of the Russian people/government.  I still think that, if this happens, the UKRs win a relatively "short" long game, assuming that their (UKR) willpower is not broken.

Personally, I think you let Russia continue to destroy itself.  That's what they're doing, even if they don't realize it.  The worst thing that can happen to Russia is that they "win" this war.  That's when the real pain starts.
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If that were true, they’d(Russians) be gaining ground daily. Fact is - they aren’t. It’s actually been the opposite. Ukrainian forces have recaptured some of the lost territory.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:14:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By whollyshite:


Probably very little, by their standards.  Still a lot for the normal guy.

They likely transferred their funds into the proper banks months ago.
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You know what, @whollyshite, amidst all the the wealthy oligarchs will whack him BS, if they have that kind of power, how likely is it they were caught by surprise? They had to have known months ago what was coming. Like, the way it went down in the actual event was probably a surprise but I can't imagine how they would not have have known well ahead of time what was coming up.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:14:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By jus_in_bello:
Crazy combat footage. Apologize if dupe, wanted to share asap and didn’t check. Crazy near misses, familiar whistle and buzzes… lol don’t miss it. God Bless these men and protect them.

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Man their camo is all over the place....as are the weapons
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:15:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ch3no2:


Berlin, 1945.  There wasn’t much left.  And yes it was deliberate.
We did what we had to do.  I have NO problem with that.
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Right or wrong, russia is the aggressor and clearly in the wrong in this case. That wasn't so for us in 45.  Responding to aggression is different than initiating it imo.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:16:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By stone-age:


I think people are underestimating how many russian bodies putin is willing to throw at ukraine in order to avoid embarrassment.
I think people are underestimating how many civilians putin is willing to murder in order to avoid embarrassment. Including chemical weapons in cities.
Putin is like an insane abusive  ex-boyfriend. "If I can't have you, nobody will."
I think what will stop him is if he thinks events are turning in such a way that he realistically might be taken out by his own people(unlikely), or some kind of instability might cause actual trouble in moscow because all of the troops are gone. Short of that, he is the abusive ex-boyfriend.
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You are right and he is insane.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:17:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By jus_in_bello:
Crazy combat footage. Apologize if dupe, wanted to share asap and didn’t check. Crazy near misses, familiar whistle and buzzes… lol don’t miss it. God Bless these men and protect them.

https://youtu.be/Gezu6A9zcLU
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Posted here several times… 7 days ago lol.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:17:58 PM EDT
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This notion that the Russiaqn oligarch mob is going to take Pouftin out because they had no clue ahead of time, strikes me as highly unlikely. Just saying.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:20:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mnd6563:
Russia is not picking up most of their dead soldiers and having small quiet funerals for those they do claim.  Check out this funeral procession for a Ukrainian soldier who died in battle.  No way Russia ever defeats these people lining the road and taking a knee for their heroes.

https://twitter.com/AseyevStanislav/status/1504480861848162324?s=20&t=KqjWguv7zaxTcZuFBghx6A
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Damn dusty in here, holy crap.  Total respect.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:20:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:

Oh crap. Bundeswehr. My bad...


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Wait what?

Oh crap. Bundeswehr. My bad...




Freudscher Versprecher?
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:21:40 PM EDT
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It is on every piece of equipment in the German Army, minus the Swastika.  They should get out more.
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At this rate not for long.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:22:11 PM EDT
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Why the fuck would the Russian people be in favor of invading Poland?  What am I missing?  
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Want to get the 'band' back together
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:22:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By atavistic:

Eh. Even NBC says they've got Nazi problems. https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946

Multiple things can be happening at the same time. Propaganda works because there is a kernel of truth in it.

Might be interesting to see how some of the 'Nazi' fighters react if Zelensky wants to pin a medal on them.
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Originally Posted By Suburbanhillbilly:
Are you really saying that MTG has been wrong in everything, because she may be wrong on one thing?
Or have you been a commie sleeper agent chafing under the other 99.999% of things she's said, and you're going to try and discredit her because she's not towing the popular line?
Either way, you don't come across as genius level.

Does anyone have the rest of mtgs tweet string we only have the one of a set talking about nazis. Would be nice to have context.



 The context is that she’s an idiot 🤷🏼‍♂️

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Eh. Even NBC says they've got Nazi problems. https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946

Multiple things can be happening at the same time. Propaganda works because there is a kernel of truth in it.

Might be interesting to see how some of the 'Nazi' fighters react if Zelensky wants to pin a medal on them.

1. NBC saying anything means precisely jack shit. They have zero credibility on any topic. (Same for ABC, CBS, CNN, NPR, NYT, etc.)
2. Russia has a Communist problem. Which is far worse than the mythical Nazi problem Ukraine supposedly has. Russian commies are not imaginary and are actively trying to "put the band back together" to recreate the USSR. They invaded another country and are now bombing and shelling its civilian population. This is not an imaginary threat but a real tangible one.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:22:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By nickmemphis:
This notion that the Russiaqn oligarch mob is going to take Pouftin out because they had no clue ahead of time, strikes me as highly unlikely. Just saying.
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Originally Posted By nickmemphis:
This notion that the Russiaqn oligarch mob is going to take Pouftin out because they had no clue ahead of time, strikes me as highly unlikely. Just saying.
The oligarch Mikhail Fridman says none of the Russian business elites targeted by Western sanctions have any real influence over President Vladimir Putin.

Following the invasion of Ukraine, the US, EU, and UK sanctioned many rich Russians perceived to be close to Putin, attempting to put pressure on him to end the war.

Financier Fridman, who now runs LetterOne, a private equity firm, has been sanctioned by the UK and EU. At the time of the EU sanctions, Fridman told Reuters that it was "groundless and unfair." He has not been sanctioned by the US.

In an interview with Bloomberg Businessweek published Thursday, Fridman said Russian oligarchs have no power to influence Putin and that none of them would dare challenge him over the invasion.

"The power distance between Mr. Putin and anybody else is like the distance between the Earth and the cosmos," he said, adding he had often met with Putin in groups of business leaders rather than one-on-one.

"To say anything to Putin against the war, for anybody, would be kind of suicide."
Mikhail Fridman says sanctioned oligarchs like him have no influence on Putin and it would be 'suicide' to challenge him on Ukraine

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Originally Posted By Glock63:

Right or wrong, russia is the aggressor and clearly in the wrong in this case. That wasn't so for us in 45.  Responding to aggression is different than initiating it imo.
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Originally Posted By ch3no2:


Berlin, 1945.  There wasn’t much left.  And yes it was deliberate.
We did what we had to do.  I have NO problem with that.
It’s the hypocrisy that I have a problem with.

Right or wrong, russia is the aggressor and clearly in the wrong in this case. That wasn't so for us in 45.  Responding to aggression is different than initiating it imo.


Valid point, and I agree.  But IMO that gets into the ethics weeds… talk about hypocrisy, especially coming from politicians.
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Originally Posted By PurpleOtter:
Originally Posted By nickmemphis:
This notion that the Russiaqn oligarch mob is going to take Pouftin out because they had no clue ahead of time, strikes me as highly unlikely. Just saying.
The oligarch Mikhail Fridman says none of the Russian business elites targeted by Western sanctions have any real influence over President Vladimir Putin.

Following the invasion of Ukraine, the US, EU, and UK sanctioned many rich Russians perceived to be close to Putin, attempting to put pressure on him to end the war.

Financier Fridman, who now runs LetterOne, a private equity firm, has been sanctioned by the UK and EU. At the time of the EU sanctions, Fridman told Reuters that it was "groundless and unfair." He has not been sanctioned by the US.

In an interview with Bloomberg Businessweek published Thursday, Fridman said Russian oligarchs have no power to influence Putin and that none of them would dare challenge him over the invasion.

"The power distance between Mr. Putin and anybody else is like the distance between the Earth and the cosmos," he said, adding he had often met with Putin in groups of business leaders rather than one-on-one.

"To say anything to Putin against the war, for anybody, would be kind of suicide."
Mikhail Fridman says sanctioned oligarchs like him have no influence on Putin and it would be 'suicide' to challenge him on Ukraine



Not sure what makes him think that isn't the point.  Maybe an oligarch doesn't want to be suicided and fixes the problem.
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.. and how did it get to be like that?  Well, looks like a few of you may need to take the suicide route. Fucking cowards.  You got filthy rich by going along with this shit and now try to be the victim? Fuck you.
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Calls Jan 6 an attempted overthrow of the government. I swear these swamp rat establishment Republicans are worse than the Democrats. What a disgusting asshole.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:29:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By nickmemphis:
This notion that the Russiaqn oligarch mob is going to take Pouftin out because they had no clue ahead of time, strikes me as highly unlikely. Just saying.
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All they care about is money....

that is all....

if they need to take out Putin.. so be it.

Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:29:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By nickmemphis:
This notion that the Russiaqn oligarch mob is going to take Pouftin out because they had no clue ahead of time, strikes me as highly unlikely. Just saying.
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They could take him out because he underestimated the enemy is failing miserably.  No quick take over, lots of dead, their economy is almost as isolated as North Korea, the value of the currency had decreased by about 50%...and there is no signs of it being over any time soon.  If he promised them a quick victory and control of Ukraine's natural resources then Putin has failed them.

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Police states get to do police state things. I have no idea what’s going on in Belarus and don’t care to speculate based upon only,so far,rumors.

 Meanwhile it looks like Putin is going to start making examples

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Anyone have an update on Belarus? Seems like thats a super important thing right now that no one is reporting on...
Not even a whisper.


Does that not seem odd? Total internet and media blackout? Someone should be talking about the explosions or something, anything?



Police states get to do police state things. I have no idea what’s going on in Belarus and don’t care to speculate based upon only,so far,rumors.

 Meanwhile it looks like Putin is going to start making examples



This isn't going to work and if Putin really thinks it will, he's a doddering fool.

It's not 1950.  Even if the Russian polling on support of the war/Putin is accurate, that still leaves several problems:
- Far too much tech in the country to cut off outside commo
- Too many dissidents to disappear before someone - inside or outside of Russia - takes it upon themselves to do something really extreme that wouldn't have been on the table a few decades ago.

This entire thing is so monumentally idiotic that I can't help but think that both some western factions and China egged him on, hoping for this kind of outcome.
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Whenever I hear these asshats say "the unprecedented $1B support package", I think about that $84B support package for the taliban and want to puke.
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Originally Posted By boltcatch:

It's not 1950.  Even if the Russian polling on support of the war/Putin is accurate, that still leaves several problems:
- Far too much tech in the country to cut off outside commo
- Too many dissidents to disappear before someone - inside or outside of Russia - takes it upon themselves to do something really extreme that wouldn't have been on the table a few decades ago.
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I wonder if this is the Russian government's motivation. They are losing the culture war.
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:
I went through my Polandball folder and found this one from 2014

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/38579/Captain_useless-2316762.png

These two are pretty old too, but they made me chuckle nonetheless...

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I've used the last one for years to try to explain why Japan is a better ally than most of the European countries.


But all I ever get is "No, Europe is so great and wonderful. Japan attacked us in WWII, Germany didn't mean it."
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:32:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mnd6563:

I've noticed a strong tendency to try and label people these days who are strong patriots, people who believe in their national identity over anything else, as Nazi's rather than patriots or nationalist.  That is the part that pisses me off.  If you want to defend your peoples history, land, and culture, you are now a Nazi.
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:
My thoughts about the whole "Nazis in the Azov battalion": I don't doubt that there were or even are some neo-Nazis. Whether they believe in Nazi ideology or just embrace the symbology is unclear. There are reports of neo-Nazis in the US armed forces and there have been many reports I've seen from German newspapers that the Wehrmacht currently has some issues too that have caused quite a scandal. Then we also have the avowed communist officer from West Point.

To be clear: ANYONE who is spouting this extremist ideology is a threat to democracy and a lunatic. NO ONE should be defending these people.

What is blurring the lines is people abusing the terms "Commie" and "Nazi". I've been in a bunch or vitriolic arguments here on Arfcom where a ton of people are throwing around the term "Commie" and applying it to anyone who deviates from their version of conservative orthodoxy. The left does the same by calling a bunch of us Nazis. It's all bullshit and created the conundrum we have now. Words mean things and if you start applying incorrect terms to people who don't fit the description, you are cheapening the meaning of the word. Know how outraged you get when someone calls you a "racist" even though you're not? Know how people now ignore when someone is labeled a racist because, more than likely, that person isn't? Same thing here.

Start being more circumspect when you start lobbing labels at others you disagree with.

I've noticed a strong tendency to try and label people these days who are strong patriots, people who believe in their national identity over anything else, as Nazi's rather than patriots or nationalist.  That is the part that pisses me off.  If you want to defend your peoples history, land, and culture, you are now a Nazi.

That's how the globalists want to redefine words because their ultimate goal is the elimination of nation states and national sovereignty. They want a unified global government so patriotic nationalism (which is actually a good thing) must be labeled as evil. Globalist doublespeak.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:35:44 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:36:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HiramRanger:


All relevant statistics aside... gotya. Makes your argument less than moronic. You should get a job in the Biden Department of Labor!
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Originally Posted By PeepEater:
Originally Posted By HiramRanger:


No... even Russian infantry is more competent than you are at arguing your point.

Lol. The 2nd largest country in Europe during a war doesn't yet have the death toll of our inner cities in a year (all per capita and monthly comparisons aside).


All relevant statistics aside... gotya. Makes your argument less than moronic. You should get a job in the Biden Department of Labor!


How about you guys take this bullshit to im's.

Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:37:30 PM EDT
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Mark Felton vid on Putin's future plans:

Putin''s Next Target? The Moldova - Transnistria Issue

Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:39:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Obo2:
every random conspiracy does not equal Q.
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Tell the Q-quacks it's over then.  The ones who latch onto anything conspiracy wise are the ones who keep bringing it up
every random conspiracy does not equal Q.
It's all the same mental deficiency. There is almost no difference between the leftist yelling that everything is racist/ClimateChange/TrumpRussia/OccupyWallStreet and the right yelling that everything is the WEF/BuildABear/Soros/Trilaterals/JewishBankers.  It boils down to a false belief that all of the world's problems have a small set, or even a single, causation, and that solving just those things would make everything ok.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 4:40:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By zach_:

If someone does poison him, I hope they get it on video.
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Again, no expert here on any thing at all. but just at first glance, the statement that he actually went through a list of over a thousand people himself and fired them in particular aftr a careful evaluation strikes me as highly improbable. I couldsee him just saying, ok, fire everyone, sure. A thousand staff? If he can even keep track of more than a hundred or so, he's like a super Wile E. Genius.

Be like, "Alright, fire that guy that scrubs my executive bathroom, and that guy guy with the squinty eyes that peels my morning banana, and where is Fellatio? Bring him hither, that I may fire him personally..."

Maybe he did actually fire a thousand personal Kremlin staff for all I know, right, but I'll need to see some sort of confirmatory evidence.
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Originally Posted By Tomislav:



Or we should look into who we are supporting.

Plenty of non-Norse rune bearing Ukrainians for America to support. Maybe we should stick to those?
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somebody needs to explain it to her.  maybe one of her staffers is an idiot. maybe.  maybe not.



Or we should look into who we are supporting.

Plenty of non-Norse rune bearing Ukrainians for America to support. Maybe we should stick to those?


So… people of Norse heritage should just drop all historical reference to their ancestral symbols and cultural past because some asshats stole them at various points to co-opt them into some terrible ideology? Actions are far more important than symbols… let’s judge folks on actions and drop the pearl clutching over ancient symbols.
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Originally Posted By Bunn19:


I've been pretty disappointed in some of the idiocy in GD lately.  I've always loved this website because there have been a bunch of SMEs that share their knowledge on different things.  This has been a great thread with lots of good insight.  Seems like more and more threads in GD have gotten dumber and dumber lately with lots of Q tards calling anyone who questions anything they say a raging liberal or "sorry your girl lost".

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I feel like I'm taking crazy pills lately.

Its like, ok I get it, you got lied to about a lot of goddamn shit over the last 5-6 years. I understand not trusting a damned thing the media says. I don't trust the fucks either.

however, its not really any better to automatically trust the opposite of what they're saying either.


if the clintons, obama and biden hate cancer, I can hate cancer too, it doesn't make me one of them and I don't have to love cancer because of it...

Fine, I know nothing about zalinskiy, could be corrupt whatever.. however, cheering on russia because someone said z was corrupt and them mumbling some shit about bio labs does nothing to change my mind that russia is the agressor here, and runs a sloppy shit show of a military operation that's resulting in the deaths of a shit ton of civilians. that's what I see. so fuck russia, fuck putin. that's the fire that needs to be put out at the moment we can re-evaluate when shells aren't hitting houses.
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Originally Posted By nickmemphis:

You know what, @whollyshite, amidst all the the wealthy oligarchs will whack him BS, if they have that kind of power, how likely is it they were caught by surprise? They had to have known months ago what was coming. Like, the way it went down in the actual event was probably a surprise but I can't imagine how they would not have have known well ahead of time what was coming up.
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Originally Posted By nickmemphis:
Originally Posted By whollyshite:


Probably very little, by their standards.  Still a lot for the normal guy.

They likely transferred their funds into the proper banks months ago.

You know what, @whollyshite, amidst all the the wealthy oligarchs will whack him BS, if they have that kind of power, how likely is it they were caught by surprise? They had to have known months ago what was coming. Like, the way it went down in the actual event was probably a surprise but I can't imagine how they would not have have known well ahead of time what was coming up.


@nickmemphis

I really can't either, when it comes to the invasion piece of this.  It seemed like the only people surprised by the invasion were the Ukrainians, and that seems like it might have been the UKR's own brand of deception, considering they've (UKRs) put up such a fight and seem to have been prepared.

Now, one thing that they may not have accounted for (and I don't think Putin accounted for) was the severity of sanctions that came down on them.  That's definitely a possibility.  The US, NATO, and the world seemed to tiptoe around any real sanctions when this first started.  I don't know if they were smart enough to be laying a trap or if they didn't predict the backlash of the general public/Eastern European countries and had to react.  

With that being said, they've sanctioned Russian oligarch billionaires before for the actions of the Russian government, so they should have known that it was coming, at least for some of them.
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