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Originally Posted By NEXT23: Originally Posted By Pickles: UA are kneecapping RU and killing them. Stupid. Yep. As an Active Duty Soldier, I picture someone doing this to me after I am captured. Fuck Ukraine. I hope they all die. |
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Originally Posted By Jack67: I think so, too. And they should. A first start in my book would be for Lithuania and Poland to end this obscenity of Russia having an armed camp and occupying territory 200 miles from their border - Kaliningrad. A nice chunk of East Prussia Russia just re-populated after murdering and raping it clean in '44/'45. When Russia is depleted a little more, the next logical step is squeezing this resource off. Russia has no legal, historical, or treaty claim to this part of what would rightfully mostly be Poland. The time for peace will be win Kaliningrad, Luhanks, Donesk, Crimea are returned and Putin and about 250 other war criminals are sitting in the dock at the Hague. Time to brush up for Nuremburg II. View Quote East Prussia was never ethnically Polish, it's been German and Prussian (related to the other Baltic people, not Slavic or German) for all of recorded history up till 1945. For a relatively short time it was part of the Polish or Lithuanian states under the Turtonic Knights, but as a German-speaking and cultural entity. It's been part of a German state (Brandenburg, which turned into the Kingdom of Prussia, and then the 2nd and 3rd Reichs) since the 15th Century. I think technically, if you discard the German claim, then Lithuania would have as good or better a claim than Poland. Regardless, Kaliningrad isn't going anywhere, though Poland and the Baltic States would presumably be very happy to see it demilitarized at least. |
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Originally Posted By TheResurrector: Wow, Russia couldn't have made a better propaganda film than this. So much for the Ukrainians having the moral high ground. View Quote Yah that's not a good look at all. OTOH, if they went to the trouble of putting on tourniquets, it's still a pretty serious war crime, but they, hopefully, don't plan on actually killing them. Hopefully. People are real bastards. |
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Originally Posted By TheResurrector: Yep. As an Active Duty Soldier, I picture someone doing this to me after I am captured. Fuck Ukraine. I hope they all die. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheResurrector: Originally Posted By NEXT23: Originally Posted By Pickles: UA are kneecapping RU and killing them. Stupid. Yep. As an Active Duty Soldier, I picture someone doing this to me after I am captured. Fuck Ukraine. I hope they all die. Russia is most certainly killing prisoners too. And don't think the American Army/Marines did not kill prisoners in WWII... |
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Originally Posted By Phocks: Anyone can translate any of that? View Quote They are trying to get some info about recon group from the first POW, he passes out or passes away. Some chit-chat. The third one says he is Azerbaijanian. Then pull three POWs from wan, ask who is officer before shooting legs |
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Originally Posted By RunnngCircles: They are trying to get some info about recon group from the first POW, he passes out or passes away. Some chit-chat. The third one says he is Azerbaijanian. Then pull three POWs from wan, ask who is officer before shooting legs View Quote Azerbaijan? The guys currently taking advantage of Russia weakness in the Caucasus? Interesting. |
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Originally Posted By TheResurrector: Yep. As an Active Duty Soldier, I picture someone doing this to me after I am captured. Fuck Ukraine. I hope they all die. View Quote Thank you for your service What if it's just 10 dudes going rogue after they saw what the Russians have been doing to their civilians? Fist video I've seen like that. ETA if they're mercenaries, then well, uh, Vlad said they're fair game |
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Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Well, don't start wars and nobody will want you replaced. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: One of the very few times Biden said something right.... Yeah, but from the start putin has been using this line of bullshit for his people that nato wants to overthrow his government. Now he has proof. Well, don't start wars and nobody will want you replaced. Well, unless you are Kaddafi. Or Mubarak. Or Ben Ali. Or Assad. Or Yanukovych. |
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Originally Posted By skid2041: I understand... granted limited exposure and gas out I'm the air being diluted is big. I carried those in the Marines but I have dosed people IRL for organophosphate poisoning.... the military dosing is lacking and would be enough in a complete NBC environment. But, I would still use it and the Valium.... because it gives you at least some chance. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By skid2041: Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: Originally Posted By skid2041: Originally Posted By R0N: At least the theory behind the combined use for both is if you were exposed to a nerve agent, they would give you a mass dose of Atropine to keep your heart from stopping, and the other to counter-act the extreme high dosage. The atropine is to block the nerve agent at the recepter sites so you don't SLUDGE. THE 2-pAm is so you don't have continous seizures and die Both are very hopeful & more of a security Blanket. The atropine dose is to low for a nerve agent. Sub-lethal exposure to modern nerve agents is common enough that blocading the receptor sites (especially for the non-reversible agonists) helps survivors a great deal. If you look at Angola, Japan, Syria, and the attacks inside the UK, more people stumble off puking and seizing than actually die. Disclaimer: Not a pharmd or a biochemist. I just read a lot. I understand... granted limited exposure and gas out I'm the air being diluted is big. I carried those in the Marines but I have dosed people IRL for organophosphate poisoning.... the military dosing is lacking and would be enough in a complete NBC environment. But, I would still use it and the Valium.... because it gives you at least some chance. 6mg/1800mg (total available dosing in the kits) isn't enough? I mean, if the exposure is ongoing, nothing is really enough but if you can be taken out of the threat area and deconned quickly enough, wouldn't that cover the initial treatment? We didn't carry the valium in my day so I have no idea of the available dosing per kit, just the atropine and 2pam. |
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Originally Posted By sordidmesh: These are the wrong moves. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By sordidmesh: Originally Posted By slapdaddy: Don't know how long this one will be up. I'm posting this mostly for the romantics that think this shit is so cool. It's not, and this is how bad things are getting. The laws of land warfare we pretend to care about so much, mean next to nothing when two sides hate each other this much. This is what it comes to. Draw whatever conclusion you like. Kid gloves are off These are the wrong moves. |
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Originally Posted By RunnngCircles: No, UAs didnt kill them. The first RU POW passed by himself. The last three were kneecapped. Guessing the POWs were russian mercenaries View Quote Wether or not the first guy was wounded before being captured, filming all that makes it pretty easy to reasonably claim Ukraine is killing prisoners. |
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Originally Posted By Gunslinger808: Harsh reality, not just of war, but also for all the foaming at the mouth can’t wait for teotwawki tards. This is how it will be, no harems, no cases of mountain house, no happily ever after, just savagery. View Quote This, pretty much. That scene is a product of pure hatred. The kind that generations from now, may never fully disappear. What a mess. |
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Originally Posted By CenterMass762: Hopefully the Ukranians treated the POWs well so they'll go back and tell their boys, "yo, they gave me food, some hot tea, and a place to sleep. Surrendering is better than fighting and dying!" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CenterMass762: Originally Posted By ludder093: Ukraine and Russia participate in first prisoners of war exchange Hopefully the Ukranians treated the POWs well so they'll go back and tell their boys, "yo, they gave me food, some hot tea, and a place to sleep. Surrendering is better than fighting and dying!" My guess is that they will be grilled for intel then shot as traitors. |
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Originally Posted By lycurgus: Russia is most certainly killing prisoners too. And don't think the American Army/Marines did not kill prisoners in WWII... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By lycurgus: Originally Posted By TheResurrector: Originally Posted By NEXT23: Originally Posted By Pickles: UA are kneecapping RU and killing them. Stupid. Yep. As an Active Duty Soldier, I picture someone doing this to me after I am captured. Fuck Ukraine. I hope they all die. Russia is most certainly killing prisoners too. And don't think the American Army/Marines did not kill prisoners in WWII... Ah yes, moral equivalence. The Japs/Nazis/Russians killed tens of millions, but so what? Our killed killed a few, too. |
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Originally Posted By TheResurrector: Yep. As an Active Duty Soldier, I picture someone doing this to me after I am captured. Fuck Ukraine. I hope they all die. View Quote |
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Maybe we should advertise the opportunity to head for the border and surrender to NATO/Americans? An internment under western Europeans might seem a particularly inviting alternative. Although the potential for war crimes trial or repatriation shold be a reality, too.
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I have no problem with Biden saying Putin can not remain in power. He is right and I am very happy he made this statement.
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Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: Ah yes, moral equivalence. The Japs/Nazis/Russians killed tens of millions, but so what? Our killed killed a few, too. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: Originally Posted By lycurgus: Originally Posted By TheResurrector: Originally Posted By NEXT23: Originally Posted By Pickles: UA are kneecapping RU and killing them. Stupid. Yep. As an Active Duty Soldier, I picture someone doing this to me after I am captured. Fuck Ukraine. I hope they all die. Russia is most certainly killing prisoners too. And don't think the American Army/Marines did not kill prisoners in WWII... Ah yes, moral equivalence. The Japs/Nazis/Russians killed tens of millions, but so what? Our killed killed a few, too. I never said so what, you did. But the vaunted Americans can do no wrong, so what's a few enemy prisoners killed plus a few 100,000 civilians incinerated in fire bombings of Germany and Japan... |
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Originally Posted By Phocks: Wether or not the first guy was wounded before being captured, filming all that makes it pretty easy to reasonably claim Ukraine is killing prisoners. View Quote Actually, a person outside the frame asked if the first guy was wounded in the leg which makes it logical to assume he was hit before the capture. One of the POW had a broken leg and no blood on him. The last three are kneecapped. I would not approve this action if these were army solders. But if they were mercs - do whatever. |
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Originally Posted By RunnngCircles: No, UAs didnt kill them. The first RU POW passed by himself. The last three were kneecapped. Guessing the POWs were russian mercenaries View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RunnngCircles: Originally Posted By Pickles: UA are kneecapping RU and killing them. No, UAs didnt kill them. The first RU POW passed by himself. The last three were kneecapped. Guessing the POWs were russian mercenaries Ok. |
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Originally Posted By Riply21: How about you just captured the guys that have been dropping artillery shells on civilians no where near the fighting? oh and your wife and children are among those civilians. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Riply21: Originally Posted By TheResurrector: Yep. As an Active Duty Soldier, I picture someone doing this to me after I am captured. Fuck Ukraine. I hope they all die. Understandable emotions, but dumb to act on. Even dumber to film it. This will be headline news for Moscow and used by shills to scream for no more support for Ukraine. Ukraine will know this, will round those troops up and likely make an example of them via firing squad. |
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Originally Posted By Phocks: Not actually killing, "just" kneecapping. It looks like they put tourniquets on the before shooting. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Phocks: Originally Posted By TheResurrector: Is that Russians killing Ukrainians or Ukrainians killing Russians? Not actually killing, "just" kneecapping. It looks like they put tourniquets on the before shooting. Considering the circumstances, I'd say that was merciful. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By ISEEYOU2: I bet you couldn't either......not that you are trying to save the free world or anything important ! View Quote This is an internet web forum Not a story book Why do you need to use punctuation marks to accentuate yourself No punctuation here and you understand this very clear Hopefully @ISEEYOU2 Also, LOL at supposedly someone trying to save the free world. Would you lay off the Biden love/Trump hate? Thanks in advance |
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Originally Posted By slapdaddy: Don't know how long this one will be up. I'm posting this mostly for the romantics that think this shit is so cool. It's not, and this is how bad things are getting. The laws of land warfare we pretend to care about so much, mean next to nothing when two sides hate each other this much. This is what it comes to. Draw whatever conclusion you like. Kid gloves are off View Quote I understand the frustration that Ukraine has, but filming this is playing right into Russia's hands. The guys who were shot were not wearing tourniquets, and the last guy got it in the ass/hip so he will probably die. The guy with a bag over his head was bleeding out and had a punctured lung, kicking him and poking with your rifle is not going to help anything. It's now on all the pro-Russian channels and media outlets..... |
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Originally Posted By FrankyRay: Considering the circumstances, I'd say that was merciful. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/546602/MariupolMaternity_01_jpg-2327641.JPG View Quote Putin is the person responsible. |
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Originally Posted By Riply21: How about you just captured the guys that have been dropping artillery shells on civilians no where near the fighting? oh and your wife and children are among those civilians. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Riply21: Originally Posted By TheResurrector: Yep. As an Active Duty Soldier, I picture someone doing this to me after I am captured. Fuck Ukraine. I hope they all die. With the level of disinformation and outright fakery we've seen from the Russians, I would not rule out this was made by them. I also wouldn't rule out the Ukrainians treating spies and mercenaries worse than actual soldiers. The real story will come out eventually and then we can determine whether it was justified or not. Myself I can't see doing that. If they are spies, SSS. What you don't do is something stupid, video it, and put it on the internet. The Ukrainians have been doing very, very well in their IO so I can't see them doing this unless some group went berserker. |
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Originally Posted By AlchemyPhD: I would say this question depends on the circumstances. Ukraine and Russia have a complicated history and active territorial disputes. In a way, they've been in an active military conflict since 2014. Not at all comparable to China/Australia or even N Korea/S Korea. I don't believe it's the right place and time to test the limits of nuclear deterrence, especially since we have no defensive obligations to Ukraine. NATO may be the place to take that stand, but not Ukraine. View Quote They are in a dispute since 2014 because Russia chose to invade Ukraine, steal the Crimea, and prop up the poorly equipped and overwhelmed separatists in Luhansk and Donetsk, while accidentally shooting down a civilian airliner and killing everyone on board. |
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Originally Posted By NEXT23: Originally Posted By Pickles: UA are kneecapping RU and killing them. Stupid. War is war. This is going to happen. Too far? Maybe, maybe not, but I do not think that is something we can truly understand. The biggest problem with this type of video and behavior, should it be seen in Russia, is it may cultivate the personal motivation for Russian soldiers to fight that has seemingly been lacking since Day 1. |
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Two black dudes with DNR passports fighting for RU are KIA. Edit: It was LNR, and both passports issues May 26 2021 |
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Originally Posted By sordidmesh: Putin is the person responsible. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By sordidmesh: Originally Posted By FrankyRay: Considering the circumstances, I'd say that was merciful. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/546602/MariupolMaternity_01_jpg-2327641.JPG Putin is the person responsible. Is that what you'd be thinking if you were a soldier seeing your country's cities turned into rubble and millions of your women and children having fled to foreign countries? |
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Putin's real weapons aren't nuclear. He has the dirt on many Western political and business leaders.
I'm sure many of them worked directly with his regime at one point or another. Money has changed hands, favors were done, secrets were kept. If peace happens it will be negotiated in a backroom by players that we'll never know existed. There's a world that lives outside of our perceived reality. This is what Putin is threatening to expose. |
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Originally Posted By USMCTanker: Agreed, and it's why men of all ages in the UKR are fighting to the death for their very existence. They don't want to go back to the bad old days of living in a totalitarian state, with KGB agents removing innocent people in the middle of the night for fabricated bullshit charges of "crimes against the state", interrogated while being tortured by some amoral psychopath, and never seen again. Same with Poland; I don't think the Poles give two shits about threats of nuclear attack; they and the Ukrainians would rather die than live through the horror of being occupied by USSR v2.0 and I can't blame them. The USSR was a terrible, depressing place to live where life was without any value whatsoever to the privileged Nomenklatura. I am somewhat comforted that units that were scheduled for training exercises in Europe are being diverted to Poland as this crises develops, but I'm not sure if the perception of US and NATO strength is enough to prevent a serious miscalculation by Putin The Inept and his half-drunken sycophants. View Quote this |
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Originally Posted By MarkNH: They are in a dispute since 2014 because Russia chose to invade Ukraine, steal the Crimea, and prop up the poorly equipped and overwhelmed separatists in Luhansk and Donetsk, while accidentally shooting down a civilian airliners and killing everyone on board. View Quote So where were we 8 years ago to stop that? We allowed it to happen without as much as a slap on the wrist. And now that the conflict has inevitably boiled over, we decide that Ukraine is worth starting a shooting war with Russia? By all means, let's help Ukraine defend itself, but some of the ideas being discussed here and elsewhere (no-fly-zone, etc) are bat shit crazy under the circumstances, and I really hope the POTATUS and his staff have more sense than that. |
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Originally Posted By TheResurrector: Wow, Russia couldn't have made a better propaganda film than this. So much for the Ukrainians having the moral high ground. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheResurrector: Originally Posted By Phocks: Originally Posted By TheResurrector: Is that Russians killing Ukrainians or Ukrainians killing Russians? Not actually killing, "just" kneecapping. It looks like they put tourniquets on the before shooting. Wow, Russia couldn't have made a better propaganda film than this. So much for the Ukrainians having the moral high ground. Dude the Russians are executing old men and families. Ukraine still has the moral high ground. |
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Originally Posted By TheResurrector: Yep. As an Active Duty Soldier, I picture someone doing this to me after I am captured. Fuck Ukraine. I hope they all die. View Quote Did you hope for all American soldiers to die after the some 101st soldiers raped a 14 year old then murdered her and her family? |
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Originally Posted By weptek911: Kneecapping prisoners? I guess they should have stayed in Russia. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By weptek911: Originally Posted By slapdaddy: Don't know how long this one will be up. I'm posting this mostly for the romantics that think this shit is so cool. It's not, and this is how bad things are getting. The laws of land warfare we pretend to care about so much, mean next to nothing when two sides hate each other this much. This is what it comes to. Draw whatever conclusion you like. Kid gloves are off Kneecapping prisoners? I guess they should have stayed in Russia. |
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Originally Posted By TheResurrector: Yep. As an Active Duty Soldier, I picture someone doing this to me after I am captured. Fuck Ukraine. I hope they all die. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheResurrector: Originally Posted By NEXT23: Originally Posted By Pickles: UA are kneecapping RU and killing them. Stupid. Yep. As an Active Duty Soldier, I picture someone doing this to me after I am captured. Fuck Ukraine. I hope they all die. For someone who allegedly is in the military, you’ve got a shockingly weak stomach for war. I’m sure nothing below board has ever happened with the US military, so I’m sure there’s zero hypocrisy in your response. Is it good behavior? Absolutely not. Should those who did it be held responsible after the war? Absolutely. Should I have a childish knee jerk reaction and start rooting for the downfall of Ukraine over it? No. |
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View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By PurpleOtter: The owner of a small radio station near Kansas City, Missouri, says he is defending free speech by airing a controversial Russian state-sponsored program, which critics have dubbed "pro-Putin propaganda." Peter Schartel is paid $5,000 a month to air Radio Sputnik, a program funded by the Russian government, on his broadcasting company's KCXL station. Schartel's company is just one of two in the U.S. that accepts money from the Russian-backed program, according to the Associated Press. Schartel first started airing the program in January 2020 for financial purposes and has continued to do so since Russia invaded Ukraine last month. Critics have subsequently accused him of being a "traitor" and promoting misinformation during the war. Earlier this month, the Kansas City Star strongly criticized him for "bombarding" listeners with "pro-Putin talk." "Supporting Radio Sputnik, especially during a time of war in Europe, is unpatriotic, if not un-American," the Star wrote in a recent editorial. "We advise KCXL to drop all programming that paints (Russian President Vladimir) Putin in a positive light. The Russian president is no victim; he is for sure no war hero." They've been at it for a while: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/13/us/russian-propaganda-radio.html |
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Originally Posted By slapdaddy: Don't know how long this one will be up. I'm posting this mostly for the romantics that think this shit is so cool. It's not, and this is how bad things are getting. The laws of land warfare we pretend to care about so much, mean next to nothing when two sides hate each other this much. This is what it comes to. Draw whatever conclusion you like. Kid gloves are off View Quote @slapdaddy Where did you get this video, when was it made, and who are the combatants? |
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