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Damn you Americans!

Y U no do what we tell you?!!!!

Media say Ukraine boss now!

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Mariupol Update

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That’s really the point.  Being a NATO country simply means it’s off limits to Russian expansion plans.

Your view of what is possible is fantasy.

You can’t have a capitalist, free society in a place where most people are either profoundly immoral, or have no objection to their neighbors and leaders being profoundly immoral.

Until Russia as a culture makes some changes, they can’t be a free, capitalist society any more than Afghanistan could.

I disagree about the invasion being a foregone conclusion. You and I have debated this before, hundreds of pages ago, so there's no point in doing so again.

That's an interesting take on Mariupol. Consider that it could also be getting hammered because their forces have more control in the surrounding area vs. their situation near Kiev. It's also a symbolic point of victory (at least partly) in an otherwise failed operation.

This is beyond idiotic.

As someone who just left DoD in a compability development role, his statement is actually somewhat accurate.  The Russians were a major planning factor for two of the services way ahead and, and the current conflict has shown those investments probably were not well spent.

Just typical GD tinfoil.

Nothing you have said was persuasive enough for me to do anything but dismiss it as nonsense,that isn’t a debate.

 Every single pretext Russia has given is manufactured around the premise that it was going to be a quick and easy victory. This had as much to do with water flow to Crimea as Nazis and bio labs.

Are you really going to tell us that the US made Russia remain an enemy just so that we'd have a theoretical war to plan for?

I don't think Russia has the ability to do to any other city what they've done to Mariupol. At this point, as long as western weaponry continues to flow like water, Russia will end up getting pushed back to the original pre-war borders and possibly removed from Crimea. The only peace accord the Ukrainians will want to sign is one where Russia gives up its claims to Ukrainian land altogether. After that, it's up to Ukraine to decide what it wants to do. For sure, Ukraine can count on money coming in for rebuilding. The west may use all the seized Russian assets to get the money to send to them just as a big FU to Putin (assuming he's still around). The west also wants access to Ukrainian resources like wheat, oil, and gas. That's why money will pour into Ukraine post-war.

No I am saying that it has been one of the major planning factors that help detemine the size of the military, and the need to spend billions if not trillions.

The US is using Ukraine to bleed Russia.  So I can kinda see where he is coming from.

Give us more shit or Russia will be on Polands door

Ok, because that's the main point of the post you called "somewhat accurate."  Maybe next time give it a "hint of truth" or something so you don't trigger us.

In the 90s we were all on vacation from history. Russia becoming a responsible world power after the fall of the Berlin Wall is fantasy. Hell, even if Putin is shot by his own people, the next leader will be a thorn in everyone's side. It is highly ingrained in their culture and society.

Leaked document from Russia with order to film propaganda videos in order to discredit the attitude of Ukrainian forces to POWs pic.twitter.com/OofICo21QQ

Anonymous  (@YourAnonNews) March 28, 2022

It actually was done in a systematic fashion. The primary objective was to make sure that the nuclear forces, technology, and people didn't wind up in the hands of other countries which could have threatened the US. During that time, I could have had a Russian PhD scientist working for me for around $35k/yr. However, the problem with what you proposed should have happened could not have at a large scale due to the generations of corruption. The money would have been wasted. We see today that the corruption of the Soviet era is still alive and well in Russia. Until that changes, they will be a two-bit communist country that has nukes.

Unfortunately, without reinforcement / resupply or other semblance of support in the way of external offensive / strikes to take pressure off Mariupol, it is inevitable that it will fall.  Likely at YUGE cost to the Orcs, both in men, material, time, and initiative - but still, inevitable.

I know Ukraine is causing substantial casualties on the Russian but I don’t get the perception that Ukraine is “winning”, certainly not enough to re-capture Crimea or LHR/DHR. Yes they are gaining some ground back but every day they are losing critical equipment and supplies that can’t easily be replaced despite getting small arms from the west. I’m trying to balance where I get info from and it’s abundantly apparent just how much both sides are trying to play the info war right now.  I hope you are right but I get the feeling that Russias focus is truly shifting to the east for now and that’s why you are seeing small gains in the north.

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I had been out of the USMC roughly a year when the wall came down. I was optimistic that russia could reform and join the normal world.

Sadly, it didn't happen.

Maybe this time???

https://kyivindependent.com/business/chinas-skyrizon-sues-ukrainian-government-for-4-5-billion-over-failed-motor-sich-bid/

doubt this has anything whatsoever to do with the current UKR situation and RUS invasion....

If anything like 1 - 3 are agreed to Ukraine is done for. There are still generals, media, political "experts", and government officials who still don't get what is going on here (who made incorrect predictions all along) and it is because of a lack of understanding of Ukrainian and Russian history and the fact that this conflict is hundreds of years older than the United States.  

Putin did not invade Ukraine because he was afraid of NATO invading Russia, or because of "bio labs", or because of Ukrainian "Nazis" oppressing "Russian speakers", etc., he invaded because HE WANTS ALL OF UKRAINE AND THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE period, end of story. The USSR may have dissolved BUT Russian communism and domination goals NEVER went away. The plans for taking Ukraine started in the 1990s and before Putin was in power:

1)  The Budapest Memorandum was an initial step facilitated with enormous help from communist hippy Bill Clinton and Moscow frequent flyer RINO Sen. Dick Lugar

2) funding the Communist Party of Ukraine (until it was outlawed after 2014) to gain as many seats in the Rada as possible

3) the destruction of millions of surplus small arms, billions of rounds of ammunition, and surplus artillery shells in 2005 with payoff money from Sen. Dick Lugar and lifelong Marxist then Sen. Barak Obama in 2005 (Ukraine could have armed a million citizens in hundreds of villages and towns BUT has a huge small arms shortage now)

4) establishing the communist-lite Party of Regions to fracture Ukraine into autonomous oblasts (this was Yanukovych's party)

5) the fraudulent Kremlin-backed election of Yanukovych to stop all military modernization project efforts by pro-USA Yuschenko who he "defeated" with the help of his Kremlin-paid election expert Paul Manafort. Yanukovych not only stopped military modernization, but changed Ukrainian education to take out any negative history about Russia, wanted Russian to be a co-national language (something Russians persecuted Ukrainians with for hundreds of years), and wanted Russian military forces to occupy Ukrainian military bases.

6) use Russian influenced members of US Congress and NGOs to NOT approve lethal military weapon transfers to Ukraine. Something former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort attempted before Trump was even chosen as a presidential candidate at the Republican National Convention as far the RNC's official policy for Ukraine

7) inhibit all efforts to loosen Ukrainian gun laws to encourage gun ownership.  Although Ukrainians can own military-styled semi-auto rifles, hi-cap magazines, hunting long arms, etc., handguns are still illegal and the process to get any gun is expensive and time consuming.  Zelensky also fought ALL pro-gun efforts when the Ukrainian Gun Owners Association put a bill up for a vote in the Rada just last year. Needless to say, the Ukrainian Communist Party fought all pro-gun efforts when they were still a legal political party but other left leaning/Kremlin funded parties still do. If Ukraine would join the EU, they would be subject to abide by EU gun control unless they fight it like the Czech Republic did and Poland and Italy as well as a few other countries somewhat did.

So, it should be very clear that any concession with Russia will lead to Russia regrouping and rearming for the next attack and continuing to undermine Ukrainian government until Russia has Ukraine. The only hope is that Ukraine keeps fighting, gets larger weapons systems, arms more of the population, and eventually goes on the offensive on Crimea and the parts of Luhansk and Donetsk until Putin is removed and/or Russia falls to the point that they can no longer continue. That's it, there is no other choice for Ukraine.

I'm hoping the Azov guys pulled back.
Better to do a fighting retreat so you can rearm and regroup.
Living to fight another day is always good...

Yep, Putin and Russia aren’t going to be rewarded anything after invading Ukraine. They are going to owe.  It was a dumbass move.



FIGHT, Ukraine!