As many Combat Sent, Rivet Joint, Mercury, and even a Cobra Ball I’ve seen race tracking around that area, I’m sure we can figure something out.

Human interest story

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Interesting...  If they do transfer them, would this be the combat debut for the Leopard 1?  I think Canada may have used a few in Afghanistan, but that doesn't really count.

I also saw a video of him today describing the Moskva. He said the tubes at the front are for S300s, then pointed mid ship and said these are where anti-ship missiles are.

They sunk it in late March.

Makes sense. Combine that with the rough sea conditions diring the time of the attack making surface skimming missiles very hard to detect. Their patience and planning paid off big.

Ship was attacked and sunk a couple of weeks ago, but the Captian died today in the hospital.

'To the sailors': Relatives of doomed Moskva crew defy Russian censors with unofficial memorial - as Ukraine claims ALL 510 aboard died and US confirms missile DID hit Putin flagship which was 'carrying nuclear weapons'




The relatives of the doomed crew of Russia's Black Sea flagship Moskva defied Russian censors to hold an unofficial memorial today, as Ukraine claimed that all 510 servicemen onboard died - including the ship's captain.

Kyiv's claim came after the United States confirmed its belief that Ukraine did in fact launch a missile strike against the Soviet-era missile cruiser, which Russia's defence ministry confirmed had sank on Thursday night because of a fire on board.

Ukraine said it launched a missile strike on the Moskva from the coast, which ripped open the Soviet-era ship. Russian news agencies cited the defence ministry on Thursday as admitted that the vessel sank in stormy seas after what it said was a fire and explosions involving ammunition stowed onboard.



Russia had earlier tried to downplay the damage, and claimed that the Moskva was still afloat and was returning to port under its own steam. Moscow also announced that the crew had been evacuated onto other Black Sea Fleet vessels.  

A senior U.S. official said Friday, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the two missiles were Neptune anti-ship missiles. The U.S. believes there were Russian casualties, though numbers are unclear, the official added.

With the conflicting reports continuing, a moving 'mourning ceremony' was held for the Moskva and its sailors in Sevastopol, its home port.

It was unofficial but there was no mention of the number who had died, yet it seemed clear from this sombre ceremony presided over by a priest that there had been a significant loss of life.

A wreath was placed by a Black Fleet statue which read: 'To the ship and the sailors'.




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Anton Gerashchenko, an advisor to the Kyiv Interior Ministry, claimed today that 'the explosion was so strong that the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet sank in a matter of minutes'.

He claimed to have heard this from sources in Sevastopol, the headquarters of the Russian Black Sea Fleet.

'Apparently, as a result of the fire, the warheads of the large P-1000 cruise missile - Vulkan - detonated. And there were 16 of them on board the cruiser.'

As a result 'all the crew of the cruiser Moskva died'. This included the ship's captain, Anton Kuprin, Gerashchenko said.

The battleship had a usual crew number of 510 sailors.

He claimed: 'The leadership of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation have deliberately hidden the truth from relatives and friends of the crew members.'

His account contradicts other earlier versions, including that a Turkish vessel rescued more than 50.

If Kyiv's claim is correct, then the deaths of the sailor would add to the already huge death toll suffered by Moscow's forces during Putin's invasion of Ukraine. It is believed over 20,000 Russian soldiers have been killed in the conflict.  

Meanwhile, Mykhailo Samus, director of a Lviv-based military think-tank; Andriy Klymenko, editor of Black Sea News; and Ukrainian newspaper Defence Express all warned that the Moskva could have been carrying two nuclear warheads designed to be fitted to its P-1000 'carrier killer' missiles.









If true, the loss of the warheads into the Black Sea could spark a 'Broken Arrow' incident - American military slang for potentially lethal accidents involving nuclear weapons.

'On board the Moskva could be nuclear warheads - two units,' Samus said, while Klymenko called on other Black Sea nations - Turkey, Romania, Georgia, and Bulgaria - to insist on an explanation. 'Where are these warheads? Where were they when the ammunition exploded,' he asked.

Meanwhile Ilya Ponomarev, a politician exiled from Russia for opposing Putin's 2014 annexation of Crimea, said just 58 of the 510-strong crew have since been accounted for - raising the prospect that 452 men went down with the ship in what would be a bitter loss for Vladimir Putin's already beleaguered army.

The figure, while unconfirmed, is consistent with losses suffered on exploding warships. During the Russian Navy's infamous defeat at the Battle of Tsushima against Japan, an explosion on board the Borodino - slightly smaller than the Moskva - saw all-but one of her 855 crew killed.

Russia claims all the Moskva's sailors were 'successfully evacuated' but video taken in Sevastopol overnight shows dozens of cars purportedly belonging to the sailors still parked in the port - suggesting their owners had not returned to collect them.

Rumours have also began circulating in Ukrainian media that Admiral Igor Osipov - the commander of Russia's Black Sea fleet which the Moskva led - has been arrested in what would be the latest in a string of detentions linked to the bungled invasion.

Leonid Nevzlin, a Russian-Israeli businessman who fled the country in 2003 after being targeted by Putin, said yesterday that 20 Russian generals have been arrested over the military's failings along with 150 FSB officers for providing false information about Ukraine's defences.


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Even if you didnt expect to get Harpoons, thats a juicy fuckin target if you had to use the last two missiles you had.  

Considering UA made the ship and most of the stuff on it, they have to know the limitations of them and chose the time to maximize casualties as well as hits on target.

Maybe not a nuke, but: https://www.businessinsider.com/sunk-russia-warship-may-have-carried-holy-relic-on-board-2022-4

IIRC he is also the guy that got the Army started down the PRT route. Basically a re-vamped version of Physical Training with hipster catch phrases and unconventional exercises. Not a lot of people in the ranks "enjoy' it.... but have to do the grin and bear it routine anyways.

A lame attempt at drawing out the Neptune batteries. I'm sure Russia has plenty of assets watching the coastal areas right now.

Wouldn't it be something if that Moskva tub sank within Neptune range, and the rusties had to spend a bunch of time trying to recover a nuke from the bottom?

That is an Su-27.

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That’s a Mig-29

A pair of nukes apparently. According to some of the news stories being published the Moskva had two nukes onboard that could be fitted to the P-1000's


Relatives of doomed Moskva crew defy Russian censors with unofficial memorial

Yeah, definitely a Mig-29

I thought for a second they would.

Plane on the truck in the video is an Su-27. Plane in the picture is a MIG-29. Video incorrectly labels it as a MIG-29, but it is an Su-27.

I am pretty sure you remove the cap on the tip and its armed.  Point impact fuse.

IIRC the older ones were a piezo on the nose.  

Also concur. The aircraft fuselage on the flatbed is a Su-27. Twitter post got it wrong.

I thought the rocket for people was armed by Abu Ridhwan remembering to pull the pin:

What brainiac of the Russian Orthodox Church thought it a good idea to put a holy relic, much less a piece of the true Cross, on a warship?