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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:06:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: The phallic victory bit in the last paragraph has me in stitches. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/476-342.gif Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: The phallic victory bit in the last paragraph has me in stitches. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/476-342.gif Originally Posted By Papposilenus: We're way above my pay grade so, grain of salt. I suspect Putin planned to Thunder Run to Kiev and take the Eastern Oblasts quickly. No muss no fuss. Zelensky was supposed to get to the chopper and leave room for a puppet oligarch to step into the roll. Belarus 2.0. This plan failed. That fell apart and I suspect plan B was to aggressively replace Zelensky. Basically, Ukraine called their bluff requiring destruction of some infrastructure in this attempt. They need a coward to demonize and not a Martyr to build a resistance around, Zelensky and the Capitol weren't bombed. This plan also failed. Now with the replacement of the Ukrainian state off the table I suspect plan 3 became seizure of large areas of Eastern Ukraine and eventual "peace keepers." We saw extensive deployment involvement of the Rosgaurd (sp) This meant no longer caring about keeping certain cities or population centers. This plan failed. They're left with the south eastern oblasts and Crimea. I suspect they're attempting to take and hold a land bridge and the separatist regions. I don't think this looks good for them based on Ukrainian statements regarding "we're not negotiating for territory." I expect they'll try for another offensive, but Ukraine benefits more from time than Russia. Entrenching, defensive works, evacuation of civilians- vs an economy that should start to feel the sanctions profoundly in the coming month or two. If this fails I expect they'll try to hold the separatist oblasts and Crimea. If that fails they'll try to hold Crimea. If all that fails- the Phallic victory remaining for Putin is "we got the Nazis, you're welcome" And whatever territory they can keep. "Uh...Phallic victory I'm pretty sure is the right word...I know it starts with a P....close enough" 
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:06:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tiberius: They should declare him persona non grata and deport him, he doesn’t merit the cred jailing or shooting him would grant. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tiberius: Originally Posted By hiyaboa:
They should declare him persona non grata and deport him, he doesn’t merit the cred jailing or shooting him would grant. Here is an article which has info about leftist Gonzo Lira being promoted by Alex Jones and crew https://www.firearmsnews.com/editorial/conservative-sympathy-for-russia-in-ukraine-war/458986 . Also, Tucker Carlson's friend and Russian expert Clinton Ehrlich (former Russian government employee) did an hour long interview promoting Lira's bullshit if one is interested it's easy to find. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:06:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SilverBearX: Looks like the score at the end was about Ukraine 10 - Russia 0 with one Russian survivor left to tell the story and bemoan the drone flying over his head. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SilverBearX: Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Originally Posted By realwar: Trans: Azov showing a successful counterattack of manpower in Mariupol  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ-KIqpJhwATrans: The 54th Mechanized Brigade named after Hetman Ivan Mazepi moved to Donetsk region https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uc6sGNTf0ADestruction of Russian troops by artillery of the AFU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Doseq2sPbakLOL The grenade throw @1:18 landed right underneath the van where the two russians were taking cover and one manged to grab it and chuck it towards the group of bodies. Looks like the score at the end was about Ukraine 10 - Russia 0 with one Russian survivor left to tell the story and bemoan the drone flying over his head. There was at least 3 kicking around at the end, and two bodies were gone from where they were at the end of the video. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:07:08 PM EDT
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Appeal by UA 36th Marines BDE CO from Mariupol.
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:07:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Chechen CO lol https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/9D8F81D5-5658-4D8F-9757-23331605BE93_jpe-2353386.JPG 30 years ago Russia invades the Chechens' capital city, rapes their women, kills their children, levels it to the ground. Here they are now, fighting on the side of the Russians while they rinse and repeat to a different neighbor. The Chechens are disgusting |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:08:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: New reports are that Ukrainians killed him. Good shoot. It’s a bad idea to be a foreigner in another country supporting their enemy in an existential war. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:08:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: So in layman’s terms, they packed so many weapons on that boat, that any hit could set the whole thing off? That’s part of it. Certainly a lot more of the ships’ armament is vulnerable in a way that wouldn’t be tolerated in a western design. Other contributing factors are probably: Poor operational planning Poor training Poor crew readiness/overconfidence Poor practices (possible fuel in and around the cutter) Material/maintenance defects in the ship, like door seals, pumps, etc. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:09:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: New reports are that Ukrainians killed him. Good shoot. Who is this person? |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:10:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Papposilenus: We're way above my pay grade so, grain of salt. I suspect Putin planned to Thunder Run to Kiev and take the Eastern Oblasts quickly. No muss no fuss. Zelensky was supposed to get to the chopper and leave room for a puppet oligarch to step into the roll. Belarus 2.0. This plan failed. That fell apart and I suspect plan B was to aggressively replace Zelensky. Basically, Ukraine called their bluff requiring destruction of some infrastructure in this attempt. They need a coward to demonize and not a Martyr to build a resistance around, Zelensky and the Capitol weren't bombed. This plan also failed. Now with the replacement of the Ukrainian state off the table I suspect plan 3 became seizure of large areas of Eastern Ukraine and eventual "peace keepers." We saw extensive deployment involvement of the Rosgaurd (sp) This meant no longer caring about keeping certain cities or population centers. This plan failed. They're left with the south eastern oblasts and Crimea. I suspect they're attempting to take and hold a land bridge and the separatist regions. I don't think this looks good for them based on Ukrainian statements regarding "we're not negotiating for territory." I expect they'll try for another offensive, but Ukraine benefits more from time than Russia. Entrenching, defensive works, evacuation of civilians- vs an economy that should start to feel the sanctions profoundly in the coming month or two. If this fails I expect they'll try to hold the separatist oblasts and Crimea. If that fails they'll try to hold Crimea. If all that fails- the Phallic victory remaining for Putin is "we got the Nazis, you're welcome" And whatever territory they can keep. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Papposilenus: Originally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By Papposilenus: I very much doubt it was their initial goal. I think they wanted Ukraine industry and resources with a reach goal of a friendly-ish puppet state for the next generation and a secure land route to Crimea. Im just guessing that the consolidation prize Putin would accept to keep his job is "got them Nazis" if the plan is to back out of Ukraine soon-ish. I've heard that argument too. Could be. But if so, why destroy entire cities along with infrastructure? I guess that's plan B since the Ukrainians didn't greet them with open arms during the initial invasion stage. We're way above my pay grade so, grain of salt. I suspect Putin planned to Thunder Run to Kiev and take the Eastern Oblasts quickly. No muss no fuss. Zelensky was supposed to get to the chopper and leave room for a puppet oligarch to step into the roll. Belarus 2.0. This plan failed. That fell apart and I suspect plan B was to aggressively replace Zelensky. Basically, Ukraine called their bluff requiring destruction of some infrastructure in this attempt. They need a coward to demonize and not a Martyr to build a resistance around, Zelensky and the Capitol weren't bombed. This plan also failed. Now with the replacement of the Ukrainian state off the table I suspect plan 3 became seizure of large areas of Eastern Ukraine and eventual "peace keepers." We saw extensive deployment involvement of the Rosgaurd (sp) This meant no longer caring about keeping certain cities or population centers. This plan failed. They're left with the south eastern oblasts and Crimea. I suspect they're attempting to take and hold a land bridge and the separatist regions. I don't think this looks good for them based on Ukrainian statements regarding "we're not negotiating for territory." I expect they'll try for another offensive, but Ukraine benefits more from time than Russia. Entrenching, defensive works, evacuation of civilians- vs an economy that should start to feel the sanctions profoundly in the coming month or two. If this fails I expect they'll try to hold the separatist oblasts and Crimea. If that fails they'll try to hold Crimea. If all that fails- the Phallic victory remaining for Putin is "we got the Nazis, you're welcome" And whatever territory they can keep. Think You are SPOT ON regarding progression of "The Russians Plan "A" down and down and down and down to the current Russian backup Plan "L".... Putin's invasion has gone from Lighting war to take Kiev in three days to a complete SHITZkrieg...  BIGGER_HAMMER 
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:11:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: New reports are that Ukrainians killed him. Good shoot. Please be true |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:12:08 PM EDT
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Free Cossack Gnudi (Aiden Aslin) and Bring me the Swampy (Shaun Pinner) are being bargained for release by Russia. Medvedchuk is being bargained for release by UA. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:13:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alex9661: The man never served in Azov LOL, he was with 36th Marines. BTW, in a couple of shitty Russian movies about the Donbass war that I've fast forwarded through, every Ukrainian serviceman had an Azov patch on his uniform. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alex9661: Originally Posted By M-1975:
The man never served in Azov LOL, he was with 36th Marines. BTW, in a couple of shitty Russian movies about the Donbass war that I've fast forwarded through, every Ukrainian serviceman had an Azov patch on his uniform. No worries scro, they went to denazify, so I'm sure he'll be back home in no time. |
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ZWE
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:14:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Who is this person? |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:14:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glockluv: 30 years ago Russia invades the Chechens' capital city, rapes their women, kills their children, levels it to the ground. Here they are now, fighting on the side of the Russians while they rinse and repeat to a different neighbor. The Chechens are disgusting Thought exactly that. Maybe they are the "Pot of Crabs" philosophy. "We couldn't have our own independent nation because the Russians Stomped Us, so we are going to make sure no one else can have their own independent nation (while taking Blood Money of the same Monsters who crushed their own nation & killed their own people). I'd buy a beer for the killer of each Chechen dead while fighthing for Russia in Ukraine. BIGGER_HAMMER
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:14:56 PM EDT
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600 out of 1,000 are casualties in one RF unit. Damn.
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:15:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Who is this person? American known for selling lessons on picking up women. He moved to Ukraine to be a shill for Putin. Probably paid to do so. How fucking dumb can he be? |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:16:31 PM EDT
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School me
How are surface ships anything but targets in the current techno environ and soon-to-come environ? Could the U.S. possibly have systems in place to defend against swarms of drone/cruise/anti-ship/nuclear missiles? Hell, Argentina had, what, THREE Exocets 40 years ago?   |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:17:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BerettaGuy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Appeal by UA 36th Marines BDE CO from Mariupol.
That's funny, I just had a medical doctor friend of 10 years who is a conservative Charasmatic Christian and another friend of 40 years who is also a Charismatic Christian, tell me that this is all bullshit and that the video footage is from Afghanistan and that the Ukrainian army are killing their own people. They both also said that Putin is the good guy and that Ukrainians are all Nazis run by the CIA. No shit, many conservative Christians are rooting for Putin and deny all this. Pretty fucking sad. Just heard a Christian talk show this morning called What's Right What's Left where the host, a pastor, had a guy on spouting the same bullshit. The pastor/host had been raising money for some Christian groups in Ukraine. I wonder if he will stop. (I didnt hear the whole episode and will have to check on who the guest was.) So, if anyone wants to know why I post so much info about Kremlin propaganda affecting conservatives in the USA, this is why. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:18:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glockluv: 30 years ago Russia invades the Chechens' capital city, rapes their women, kills their children, levels it to the ground. Here they are now, fighting on the side of the Russians while they rinse and repeat to a different neighbor. The Chechens are disgusting Many Ukrainians will do the samething if Vlad manages to pull off the Big W. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:18:29 PM EDT
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Would be a real shame if this guy got turned into a pile of body parts and red goo. Like yesterday.
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:20:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Many Ukrainians will do the samething if Vlad manages to pull off the Big W. People are people. The frequency of it changes with culture but it’s common. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:21:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doc540: School me How are surface ships anything but targets in the current techno environ and soon-to-come environ? Could the U.S. possibly have systems in place to defend against swarms of drone/cruise/anti-ship/nuclear missiles? Hell, Argentina had, what, THREE Exocets 40 years ago? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/183309/exocet_sheffield1-2353464.jpg Yes, they are working on systems to stop swarms and have systems to stop cruise missiles. Something large enough to reach a ship and hurt it is by its nature expensive. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:21:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: "Uh...Phallic victory I'm pretty sure is the right word...I know it starts with a P....close enough" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By HIPPO: The phallic victory bit in the last paragraph has me in stitches. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/476-342.gif Originally Posted By Papposilenus: We're way above my pay grade so, grain of salt. I suspect Putin planned to Thunder Run to Kiev and take the Eastern Oblasts quickly. No muss no fuss. Zelensky was supposed to get to the chopper and leave room for a puppet oligarch to step into the roll. Belarus 2.0. This plan failed. That fell apart and I suspect plan B was to aggressively replace Zelensky. Basically, Ukraine called their bluff requiring destruction of some infrastructure in this attempt. They need a coward to demonize and not a Martyr to build a resistance around, Zelensky and the Capitol weren't bombed. This plan also failed. Now with the replacement of the Ukrainian state off the table I suspect plan 3 became seizure of large areas of Eastern Ukraine and eventual "peace keepers." We saw extensive deployment involvement of the Rosgaurd (sp) This meant no longer caring about keeping certain cities or population centers. This plan failed. They're left with the south eastern oblasts and Crimea. I suspect they're attempting to take and hold a land bridge and the separatist regions. I don't think this looks good for them based on Ukrainian statements regarding "we're not negotiating for territory." I expect they'll try for another offensive, but Ukraine benefits more from time than Russia. Entrenching, defensive works, evacuation of civilians- vs an economy that should start to feel the sanctions profoundly in the coming month or two. If this fails I expect they'll try to hold the separatist oblasts and Crimea. If that fails they'll try to hold Crimea. If all that fails- the Phallic victory remaining for Putin is "we got the Nazis, you're welcome" And whatever territory they can keep. "Uh...Phallic victory I'm pretty sure is the right word...I know it starts with a P....close enough" It actually works, so maybe it wasn't an error... 
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:21:27 PM EDT
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Updated thread on battle lines and action in east UA. Quick, good read that’s just a few hours old.
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:25:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doc540: School me How are surface ships anything but targets in the current techno environ and soon-to-come environ? Could the U.S. possibly have systems in place to defend against swarms of drone/cruise/anti-ship/nuclear missiles? Hell, Argentina had, what, THREE Exocets 40 years ago? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/183309/exocet_sheffield1-2353464.jpg Missiles can be jammed, countered, or shot down, and the technology to do so is improving with each passing year. Surface ships have excellent force projection, escort, and security capabilities. Just like with tanks, don't judge the efficacy of surface ships based on the outcome of a 43 year old shit heap operated by one of the world's least competent militaries. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:25:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bassgasm: I'm going to repeat myself a bit, but it's been several hundred pages... There are at least three REALLY big caveats to Russia's performance in WWII: 1) They were receiving massive amounts of industrial and logistical support from the US. They got thousands of trucks, aircraft, raw materials, etc. 2) They were fighting a smaller enemy, and that enemy was both fighting wars on multiple fronts and subject to strategic bombing from the other side of Europe. 3) Despite points #1 and #2, they still sent millions and millions of men to their deaths, and a large percentage of those men were sourced from other Soviet states. https://external-preview.redd.it/8CazYVBNZQaT7juHsZI7B0VYMoQ_8Add0_tHfkNRsho.gif?format=png8&s=c33622e894f049b7d0e25cf7308ce9ec74a1aad1 I wouldn't use WWII as positive supporting evidence for what Russia is theoretically capable of... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bassgasm: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Bassgasm: Where does this come from? In the last century, how many of those battles have the Russians fought, what were the circumstances, and what were the costs? Must be talking about 1945. The Red Army was a brute at that time and after 4 years of fierce fighting, taking hard lessons from the best (Germany) they figured out a few things. But that was against a badly beaten, under supplied Germany so who knows. I think large scale frontal attacks are the only thing they were EVER good at. Not counting savaging civilian populations. I'm going to repeat myself a bit, but it's been several hundred pages... There are at least three REALLY big caveats to Russia's performance in WWII: 1) They were receiving massive amounts of industrial and logistical support from the US. They got thousands of trucks, aircraft, raw materials, etc. 2) They were fighting a smaller enemy, and that enemy was both fighting wars on multiple fronts and subject to strategic bombing from the other side of Europe. 3) Despite points #1 and #2, they still sent millions and millions of men to their deaths, and a large percentage of those men were sourced from other Soviet states. https://external-preview.redd.it/8CazYVBNZQaT7juHsZI7B0VYMoQ_8Add0_tHfkNRsho.gif?format=png8&s=c33622e894f049b7d0e25cf7308ce9ec74a1aad1 I wouldn't use WWII as positive supporting evidence for what Russia is theoretically capable of... You can say what you want about how much American ground forces “defeated the Nazis” but without US Strategic Bombers and high explosives all of Europe would be speaking German and Hitler would have died of old age at his Eagles Nest in 1975. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:26:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: grambosc]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Appeal by UA 36th Marines BDE CO from Mariupol.
After how valiantly they have fought the invaders, I'd give them any tools, including Davy Crocketts (M388) if we still had any. My taxes would be better spent on those than most other things politicians have wasted them on. 
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:26:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Please be true Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By odiedodi: New reports are that Ukrainians killed him. Good shoot. Please be true Oh GD, never change |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:27:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: That's funny, I just had a medical doctor friend of 10 years who is a conservative Charasmatic Christian and another friend of 40 years who is also a Charismatic Christian, tell me that this is all bullshit and that the video footage is from Afghanistan and that the Ukrainian army are killing their own people. They both also said that Putin is the good guy and that Ukrainians are all Nazis run by the CIA. No shit, many conservative Christians are rooting for Putin and deny all this. Pretty fucking sad. Just heard a Christian talk show this morning called What's Left What's Right where the host, a pastor, had a guy on spouting the same bullshit. The pastor/host had been raising money for some Christian groups in Ukraine. I wonder if he will stop. (I didnt hear the whole episode and will have to check on who the guest was.) So, if anyone wants to know why I post so much info about Kremlin propaganda affecting conservatives in the USA, this is why. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By HIPPO: Appeal by UA 36th Marines BDE CO from Mariupol.
That's funny, I just had a medical doctor friend of 10 years who is a conservative Charasmatic Christian and another friend of 40 years who is also a Charismatic Christian, tell me that this is all bullshit and that the video footage is from Afghanistan and that the Ukrainian army are killing their own people. They both also said that Putin is the good guy and that Ukrainians are all Nazis run by the CIA. No shit, many conservative Christians are rooting for Putin and deny all this. Pretty fucking sad. Just heard a Christian talk show this morning called What's Left What's Right where the host, a pastor, had a guy on spouting the same bullshit. The pastor/host had been raising money for some Christian groups in Ukraine. I wonder if he will stop. (I didnt hear the whole episode and will have to check on who the guest was.) So, if anyone wants to know why I post so much info about Kremlin propaganda affecting conservatives in the USA, this is why. Every time we meet, he tells me how wonderful Putin is, over and over and over and over
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:27:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: You can say what you want about how much American ground forces “defeated the Nazis” but without US Strategic Bombers and high explosives all of Europe would be speaking German and Hitler would have died of old age at his Eagles Nest in 1975. Bullshit. The strategic bombing campaign cost us a similar fraction of our war expenditure that it cost the germans. Basically a wash, with the exception of Ploeste. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:30:19 PM EDT
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That’s a lot of what seem to be UA prisoners. Location unclear.
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:31:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NBCMarine: Oh GD, never change |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:32:54 PM EDT
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OMG, worst Team Killer in history, and they caught it on camera. Blue Falcon award for this guy.
 "Helpful Russian soldier sacrifices his wounded comrades to save himself from a grenade thrown by an Azov super-soldier in Mariupol."
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:33:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: doc540]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bassgasm: Missiles can be jammed, countered, or shot down, and the technology to do so is improving with each passing year. Surface ships have excellent force projection, escort, and security capabilities. Just like with tanks, don't judge the efficacy of surface ships based on the outcome of a 43 year old shit heap operated by one of the world's least competent militaries. USS Stark Not arguing, but genuinely want to learn. Swarms concern me, and it could only take one to punch a carrier's ticket. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:33:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grambosc: After how valiantly they have fought the invaders, I'd give them any tools, including Davy Crocketts (M388) if we still had any. My taxes would be better spent on those than most other things politicians have wasted them on. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grambosc: Originally Posted By HIPPO: Appeal by UA 36th Marines BDE CO from Mariupol.
After how valiantly they have fought the invaders, I'd give them any tools, including Davy Crocketts (M388) if we still had any. My taxes would be better spent on those than most other things politicians have wasted them on. It's not about money. Those guys are completely cut off and surrounded, and have been for a while. There aren't really any options to resupply them. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:35:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:35:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: New reports are that Ukrainians killed him. Good shoot. I hope they get Patrick Lancaster next. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:35:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: The Moskva was in a good condition - for the Russians. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54089/Project_1164_Moskva_2009_G1_jpg-2348259.JPG We tailed that thing around back when it was called the Slava, in the 80's. They could carry one hell of a payload, potentially 16 Nuke cruise missiles |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:35:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Captain obvious got promoted to Admiral obvious Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Wulfmann: Originally Posted By realwar: Reenactment of the Moskva sinking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-aY9aP7kX8That is not the Moskva Captain obvious got promoted to Admiral obvious LOL, that is fair but when you consider 90% of the replies in this thread those morons actually needed a Captain Obvious explanation |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:36:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: For us, "the family" supports UA...except my wife's 95yo dementia dad who is "rooting for Putin" Every time we meet, he tells me how wonderful Putin is, over and over and over and over Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By HIPPO: Appeal by UA 36th Marines BDE CO from Mariupol.
That's funny, I just had a medical doctor friend of 10 years who is a conservative Charasmatic Christian and another friend of 40 years who is also a Charismatic Christian, tell me that this is all bullshit and that the video footage is from Afghanistan and that the Ukrainian army are killing their own people. They both also said that Putin is the good guy and that Ukrainians are all Nazis run by the CIA. No shit, many conservative Christians are rooting for Putin and deny all this. Pretty fucking sad. Just heard a Christian talk show this morning called What's Left What's Right where the host, a pastor, had a guy on spouting the same bullshit. The pastor/host had been raising money for some Christian groups in Ukraine. I wonder if he will stop. (I didnt hear the whole episode and will have to check on who the guest was.) So, if anyone wants to know why I post so much info about Kremlin propaganda affecting conservatives in the USA, this is why. Every time we meet, he tells me how wonderful Putin is, over and over and over and over Well, at least he has an excuse! ;) |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:37:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doc540: School me How are surface ships anything but targets in the current techno environ and soon-to-come environ? Could the U.S. possibly have systems in place to defend against swarms of drone/cruise/anti-ship/nuclear missiles? Hell, Argentina had, what, THREE Exocets 40 years ago? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/183309/exocet_sheffield1-2353464.jpg Aegis/SPY-1/SPY-6, SM2/6, ESSM, RAM, and CIWS. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:37:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doc540: USS Stark Not arguing, but genuinely want to learn. Swarms concern me, and could only take one to punch a carrier's ticket. Swarming missiles that cost $1-4m isn’t going to be common except by someone like China. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:38:55 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wulfmann: LOL, that is fair but when you consider 90% of the replies in this thread those morons actually needed a Captain Obvious explanation Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wulfmann: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Wulfmann: Originally Posted By realwar: Reenactment of the Moskva sinking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-aY9aP7kX8That is not the Moskva Captain obvious got promoted to Admiral obvious LOL, that is fair but when you consider 90% of the replies in this thread those morons actually needed a Captain Obvious explanation I mean it has titanic theme music and says "reenactment"...but yeah, fair point still. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:40:26 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bassgasm: It's not about money. Those guys are completely cut off and surrounded, and have been for a while. There aren't really any options to resupply them. I know. I just wish there was a way. Or a way to get heavy weapons into the hands of reinforcements that could come in and relieve them. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:41:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dillydilly]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Papposilenus: We're way above my pay grade so, grain of salt. I suspect Putin planned to Thunder Run to Kiev and take the Eastern Oblasts quickly. No muss no fuss. Zelensky was supposed to get to the chopper and leave room for a puppet oligarch to step into the roll. Belarus 2.0. This plan failed. That fell apart and I suspect plan B was to aggressively replace Zelensky. Basically, Ukraine called their bluff requiring destruction of some infrastructure in this attempt. They need a coward to demonize and not a Martyr to build a resistance around, Zelensky and the Capitol weren't bombed. This plan also failed. Now with the replacement of the Ukrainian state off the table I suspect plan 3 became seizure of large areas of Eastern Ukraine and eventual "peace keepers." We saw extensive deployment involvement of the Rosgaurd (sp) This meant no longer caring about keeping certain cities or population centers. This plan failed. They're left with the south eastern oblasts and Crimea. I suspect they're attempting to take and hold a land bridge and the separatist regions. I don't think this looks good for them based on Ukrainian statements regarding "we're not negotiating for territory." I expect they'll try for another offensive, but Ukraine benefits more from time than Russia. Entrenching, defensive works, evacuation of civilians- vs an economy that should start to feel the sanctions profoundly in the coming month or two. If this fails I expect they'll try to hold the separatist oblasts and Crimea. If that fails they'll try to hold Crimea. If all that fails- the Phallic victory remaining for Putin is "we got the Nazis, you're welcome" And whatever territory they can keep. I think you’re right. Plan after plan fails which would explain changing narratives and poorly executed battle planning ever since. Basically got their hand caught in the cookie jar and trying to wrestle it out via different ways. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:42:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: OMG, worst Team Killer in history, and they caught it on camera. Blue Falcon award for this guy. "Helpful Russian soldier sacrifices his wounded comrades to save himself from a grenade thrown by an Azov super-soldier in Mariupol."
A true hero
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:44:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bassgasm: It's not about money. Those guys are completely cut off and surrounded, and have been for a while. There aren't really any options to resupply them. Shame they couldn't have sent more supplies before they were surrounded. Were extra resources allocated there originally if taking it was a known Russian objective? |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:45:40 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: You can say what you want about how much American ground forces “defeated the Nazis” but without US Strategic Bombers and high explosives all of Europe would be speaking German and Hitler would have died of old age at his Eagles Nest in 1975. Confession of ignorance (No disrespect intended) Aside from Ploesti and the complete saturation bombing of Normandy to break the stalemate the only thing the allied bombing campaign did was prove we could be as murderous to civilians as the Nazis and force the Germans to become self sufficient without above ground facilities The post war negative affects alone crippled British conscience once the public became aware of the barbarity of bomber command's intentional war on women and children In fairness many British officers were adamantly opposed to the bombing campaign of Germany as it had no military value and was a war crime Of course war crimes are only committed by the losers. Winners of wars can laugh at the dead bodies of children |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:46:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sneedsville: Shame they couldn't have sent more supplies before they were surrounded. Were extra resources allocated there originally if taking it was a known Russian objective? It was a logistical hub and they had prepared positions in case this happened but when you get pushed back from a cache or one gets bombed or you use another it starts to add up to scarcity. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:47:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: hiyaboa]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: "Uh...Phallic victory I'm pretty sure is the right word...I know it starts with a P....close enough" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By HIPPO: The phallic victory bit in the last paragraph has me in stitches. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/476-342.gif Originally Posted By Papposilenus: We're way above my pay grade so, grain of salt. I suspect Putin planned to Thunder Run to Kiev and take the Eastern Oblasts quickly. No muss no fuss. Zelensky was supposed to get to the chopper and leave room for a puppet oligarch to step into the roll. Belarus 2.0. This plan failed. That fell apart and I suspect plan B was to aggressively replace Zelensky. Basically, Ukraine called their bluff requiring destruction of some infrastructure in this attempt. They need a coward to demonize and not a Martyr to build a resistance around, Zelensky and the Capitol weren't bombed. This plan also failed. Now with the replacement of the Ukrainian state off the table I suspect plan 3 became seizure of large areas of Eastern Ukraine and eventual "peace keepers." We saw extensive deployment involvement of the Rosgaurd (sp) This meant no longer caring about keeping certain cities or population centers. This plan failed. They're left with the south eastern oblasts and Crimea. I suspect they're attempting to take and hold a land bridge and the separatist regions. I don't think this looks good for them based on Ukrainian statements regarding "we're not negotiating for territory." I expect they'll try for another offensive, but Ukraine benefits more from time than Russia. Entrenching, defensive works, evacuation of civilians- vs an economy that should start to feel the sanctions profoundly in the coming month or two. If this fails I expect they'll try to hold the separatist oblasts and Crimea. If that fails they'll try to hold Crimea. If all that fails- the Phallic victory remaining for Putin is "we got the Nazis, you're welcome" And whatever territory they can keep. "Uh...Phallic victory I'm pretty sure is the right word...I know it starts with a P....close enough" After a long, hard fight. |
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