Originally Posted By outofbattery:



Unfortunately an awful lot of people have been very,very influenced by the Internet. My SO of 12 years and I are taking a break from each other now that may very well become permanent due to how much Jordan Peterson and Gad Saad and their social media circle has shaped her world view from being conservative to having moments of sheer crazy talk. It’s a horrible thing to essentially lose someone to the internet but I can not accept “you have to at least be skeptical,Ukraine is corrupt and has faked many things” when discussing mass murder. We are a tiny nation on Russia’s border,I don’t want to hear about “they have their security concerns too”. No.

 This isn’t someone who had zero knowledge of history and geography,it’s a bright woman who latched on to the exact same talking points without thinking about them critically. It made me realize what caused this shift in her from being fairly conservative to complaining about Muslim immigration - there are next to none here - or homsexuals and such when I honestly don’t see them remotely being an issue in our society.

 My overall take is that if she can be manipulated about these things then it would be very,very easy to convince her about our country and myself. I see too many ways for this war to go sideways and involve us but more to the point when she told me that the aid I’ve personally sent to UA is just prolonging the fighting and that they need to make concessions for peace it was just too much,this isn’t something she would have said a few months ago and quite frankly I’m terrified of the day she starts to go on about Globohomo and white replacement. It’s just too upsetting that I feel I lost someone to a virtual cult and here is the thing: I can say my piece but I get told I’m  wrong because a bunch of virtual opinions say so,it’s too insulting and ridiculous.


 It makes it very easy to see how someone with little real world experience to temper things can take a bunch of shit far too literally. This is legitimately scary to me because if she can have her world view fucked by this then it it’s no wonder someone young with no real world experience can easily adopt the worst aspects of the far right rhetoric and act upon them.

Originally Posted By Krater:

Russian TG channels.


"I want to tell about my grief so that people know the truth. My husband, a simple worker. Sent on March 14 to the distributor of the military unit 08805 in Makeevka. On March 27 he was sent to Mariupol. On March 28, he wrote an SMS early in the morning, saying that he is the 3rd line of defense. Since then, silence ... For a whole month I was looking for my husband, hoping that he was alive, that there was simply no connection. Military unit 08805 lied to me on the phone. Yes, and when they arrived they were not allowed into the unit. They did not report where he serves. At the end of April, they said that he was not here, that he was in the direction of Kherson. And when I myself found my husband in the morgue of Mariupol, I informed the unit that he had died. But he was not listed as dead on their lists and wounded. The unit of me asked - WHERE HE SERVED???? Me, who was looking for him and tried to find out in the unit. According to the stories of colleagues, it was not possible to pick him up from the place of death, since there were battles. How long did my husband lie there - unknown. Part does not keep records of the dead, wounded and missing. Do not tell the truth to relatives, so that there are no panic. Our family itself was looking for its own, calling the morgues of Mariupol, Mangush. Found it at the end of April. April 21 was the act of opening it. But no one considered it necessary to inform his relatives that he was lying there. As the workers of the morgue said - THIS IS NOT IN THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES. Our relatives lie in sacks under fences in Kalinin, Makiivka, and so on. for 1-2 months and NOBODY tells them about it. Poor mothers, wives, children must examine all the corpses that are in the morgues and look for their relatives themselves. Why do we women of Donbass have to endure this!? For 8 years they killed us, worked for a penny like slaves, and now they have destroyed our men!!! There is a purposeful destruction of the male population of Donbass. I was found by his guys, who respected my husband, became friends, but they were lucky - they remained alive. They reported that on March 27, half an hour after their arrival in Mariupol, they immediately entered the battle. Our husbands, sons, without military experience, without protective equipment, were simply thrown into battle right away !!! What is the 3rd line of defense???? On March 31, my husband died and many men were with him too. Men are gradually being taken out of there. They throw our inexperienced, unprotected husbands straight into battle. They call them "mushrooms". They only have helmets. And they are mowed down like mushrooms. With the help of our inexperienced guys, enemy firing points are revealed. Now, in addition to hatred for Ukraine, hatred for the DPR and Russia has been added for using our relatives as targets. How many volunteers are there who want to fight!!! Why was it necessary to mobilize ordinary hard workers and purposefully and thoughtlessly send them to death?!!!"

These are all, not isolated cases, a lot of people write, unfortunately I can't publish all the stories.

A fixed target is going to need some major upgrades to survive a drone-heavy environment. I suspect that will redefine some ADA technologies with tricks like distributed grids of millimeter wave radars or other new spatial sensor technologies to keep the small, stealthy drones away from sensitive areas.

Aircraft revetments may need to be upgraded, fully-enclosed and/or also equipped with APS to be more survivable.

There's still nothing you can do about very long-ranged GPS guided attack vectors, like mine-dispensing ALCMs sent along the runways, or long-ranged GPS artillery rounds, except to have counterbattery radar to warn you about incoming, and either protect or disperse assets.

Originally Posted By Chokey:
claymore or some other direction mine?

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C4H10FO2P  (@markito0171) May 16, 2022

Originally Posted By iggy1337:


The biggest eyeopener was seeing Arfcommers blinded by their hate for Biden complaining about handing out free guns and reposting pro Russia social media vids. That would have had to be some pre placed long time Russian IW strat within conservative circles.

Originally Posted By Tiberius:


Sadly, when Trump got rid of the Cruise Ship grifters, he only cleared the decks for the B Team grifters….MTG being their Queen…. to rise and Ply thier trade.

Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck:

Damn, that's really shitty, especially on the heels of your loss of your mom. I genuinely hope things start looking up for you soon.

I really do wonder how this mass lack of critical thinking has taken hold. Critical thinking and common sense have always been in somewhat short supply but it really seems to have been slowly turned up to 11 in the last decade, bordering on some sort of mass psychosis. Psychology isn't my thing but this unraveling of our collective social fabric is quite scary, watching otherwise normal people around you go over the cliff so to speak. Thankfully I keep my real life social circle small and they've all been immune to it.

Originally Posted By outofbattery:



 While that would be funny,I am genuinely heartbroken at it taking this to realize just how much influence virtual interactions have had. It’s one thing to be here on Arf and see people take Russian talking points at face value because they feel they need to pick a side and it’s essentially meaningless to them anyway. At the breakfast table 194 km from the Russian border it is another thing to hear that Russia has legitimate concerns. If Russia crossed the border as Putin’s dying gasp I have to fight,she knows this cognitively and can’t understand the parallels between UA and here as to how easy it would be to press the same narrative.