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Link Posted: 5/26/2022 3:29:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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Located in a residential area
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 3:29:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GTLandser:
Notice how many of these mines failed to separate from their carrier. Is a high dud rate a further consequence of rough handling and bad storage of their munitions??

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I can't vouch for these statements. The first was also reportedly stated by the DoD a few weeks ago.:


*More than 60% of Russian missiles do not hit the target

*Two-three out of ten missiles do not launch or explode during the flight, - Newsweek reports, citing data from the US Department of Defense.
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 3:43:01 PM EDT
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Slava Ukraini!

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Link Posted: 5/26/2022 4:09:19 PM EDT
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Lol
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 4:21:00 PM EDT
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Located in a residential area
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Hey, works for Hamas.
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 4:22:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dracster:
"Meanwhile, in St. Petersburg, 300 rubles for deodorants are packed in protective cases - so as not to steal

In the same St. Petersburg used to defend butter, and in Izhevsk - canned food.
According to official statistics, the number of thefts in stores in Russia has increased significantly over the past 3 months."

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Deodorant use. Impressive.
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 4:27:02 PM EDT
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US Special Forces veteran, founder of AFGfree.org Perry Blackburn

Russians don't have complete control in red zones signed on maps as occupied

The Ukrainians are fighting a brilliant military strategy of using “Defense in Depth” which they learned to do quite quickly. It stalls and confuses the Russians because it includes multiple levels of simultaneous attacks from conventional and irregular forces. Retired US Special Forces Lieutenant Colonel Perry Blackburn described these in an exclusive interview for Ukrinform (click for article).

Link Posted: 5/26/2022 4:30:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By lorazepam:
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May have been a translation error - in German "million" is "Millionen" while "billion" is "Milliarden".
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 5:05:31 PM EDT
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Close. It is magnesium. The MZ-21 munition.
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 5:09:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Wreckshooter:


Close. It is magnesium. The MZ-21 munition.
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Close. It is magnesium. The MZ-21 munition.


Sorta like dragon's breath shotgun ammo...
Looking at it, I bet there's titanium oxide or Zirconium in there too. Magnesium is kinda anticlimactic by itself.
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 5:14:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By deputyrpa:


Agreed. Russia and NATO had 8 or so years to get their shit together. Trump warned NATO. Putin couldn't do shit in 2014 either. "Taking" Crimea was a cakewalk with all that public support and their Naval base as a fixture for decades. But he couldn't invade shit then.

Time is not on the Ruskies' side. But with only $6B out of $40B going to Ukraine, and the second-hand equipment we've given them so far, their ability to hold on is in question.

Answer me this: Why did Austin and Milley call their Ruskie counterparts and demand a ceasefire? To me, that flies in the face of their public statements to wear down and destroy Russia, and doesn't sound like a winner's move. What does our mil intel know that we don't? And now the EU misfits trot out (ha!) Kissinger to tell the Ukes to settle a deal? WTF? Why the shift?
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Second hand?!?! We are giving some of the best stuff in our inventory. Stingers, Javelins, M777s, Mk-19s, M2s, Harpoon, Caesar, Brimstone, Switchblade, etc, etc, etc. Not to mention modern communications and modern Counter battery radar. Sure we give them EDA level stuff like M113s and M-114s but they are getting a ton of modern, first line, kit.
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 5:16:42 PM EDT
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The infamous "butterfly mine". The date code on the 122mm(?) rocket appears to indicate 11-1989.

The tweet seems to indicate these mines had self-destruct, and my response is: "yeah fuckin' right"!



Units that fired these over civilian areas should have a place held for them at the Hague, or failing that, should get the Operation "Wrath of God" treatment.
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 5:22:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GTLandser:
The infamous "butterfly mine". The date code on the 122mm(?) rocket appears to indicate 11-1989.

The tweet seems to indicate these mines had self-destruct, and my response is: "yeah fuckin' right"!



Units that fired these over civilian areas should have a place held for them at the Hague, or failing that, should get the Operation "Wrath of God" treatment.
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Meh. They really do have a fuse in them that causes a bang after a couple of days.

IIRC they are  also really simple to demine. Like blanket and a stick stuff.

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They use a liquid explosive. There's a pill in them that dissolves and should inactivate the explosive after a week.
(supposedly)
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 5:23:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GTLandser:
The infamous "butterfly mine". The date code on the 122mm(?) rocket appears to indicate 11-1989.

The tweet seems to indicate these mines had self-destruct, and my response is: "yeah fuckin' right"!



Units that fired these over civilian areas should have a place held for them at the Hague, or failing that, should get the Operation "Wrath of God" treatment.
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The source for that appears to be a Russian channel.
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 5:29:40 PM EDT
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Russian forces come closer to encircling Ukraine troops in east

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-says-russia-shells-more-than-40-towns-donbas-push-2022-05-26/

Russia forces reach key highway from Donbas cities
Kyiv says 25 battalions involved in assault
Shells hit Kharkiv where Russians had been pushed back
Russia warns West against giving long-range arms

KYIV/SVITLODARSK, Ukraine, May 26 (Reuters) - Advancing Russian forces came closer to surrounding Ukrainian troops in the east, briefly seizing positions on the last highway out of a crucial pair of Ukrainian-held cities before being beaten back, a Ukrainian official said on Thursday.

Three months into its invasion of Ukraine, Russia has abandoned its assault on the capital Kyiv and is trying to consolidate control of the industrial eastern Donbas region, where it has backed a separatist revolt since 2014.

Thousands of troops are attacking from three sides to try to encircle Ukrainian forces in Sievierodonetsk and Lysychansk. If the two cities straddling the Siverskiy Donets river fall, nearly all of the Donbas province of Luhansk would be under Russian control.

"Russia has the advantage, but we are doing everything we can," said General Oleksiy Gromov, deputy chief of the main operations department of Ukraine's general staff.

Luhansk governor Serhiy Gaidai said around 50 Russian soldiers had reached the highway and "managed to gain a foothold", even setting up a checkpoint.

"The checkpoint was broken, they were thrown back ... the Russian army does not control the route now, but they are shelling it," he said. It was possible Ukrainian troops would leave "one settlement, maybe two. We need to win the war, not the battle," he said.

"It is clear that our boys are slowly retreating to more fortified positions - we need to hold back this horde," Gaidai added.

Western military analysts see the battle for the two cities as a potential turning point in the war, now that Russia has redefined its principal objective as capturing the east.

'SOBERING'
Reuters journalists in Russian-held territory further south saw proof of Moscow's advance in Svitlodarsk, where Ukrainian forces withdrew earlier this week.

The town is now firmly under control of pro-Russian fighters, who have occupied the local government building and hung a Soviet hammer and sickle flag at the door.

Drone footage filmed by Reuters of the nearby abandoned battlefield showed craters pockmarking a green field surrounded by wrecked buildings. Pro-Russian fighters were milling about in trenches.

Russia's recent gains in the Donbas follow the surrender of Ukraine's garrison in Mariupol last week, and suggest a shift in momentum after weeks in which Ukrainian forces had advanced near Kharkiv in the northeast.

"Recent Russian gains offer a sobering check on expectations for the near term," tweeted defence analyst Michael Kofman, director of Russian studies at the U.S.-based CNA think-tank.

Russian troops have broken through Ukrainian lines at Popasna, south of Sievierodonetsk, and are threatening to encircle Ukrainian forces, he wrote.

Ukrainian interior ministry adviser Vadym Denisenko told a briefing 25 Russian battalions were attempting to surround the Ukrainian forces.

The head of Ukraine's armed forces, Valeriy Zaluzhny, called on Telegram for more Western arms, particularly "weapons that will allow us to hit the enemy at a big distance".

Russia's foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, later warned that any supplies of weapons that could reach Russian territory would be a "a serious step towards unacceptable escalation".

HOMES DESTROYED
A few weeks ago, it was Ukrainian forces that were advancing, pushing Russian troops back from the outskirts of Kharkiv towards the Russian border.

But Moscow appears to have halted its retreat there, retaining a strip of territory along the frontier and preventing Ukrainian troops from cutting Russian supply lines that run east of the city to the Donbas.

Russian shelling killed at least seven civilians and wounded 17 in Kharkiv, local authorities said, as Russian forces dug in and maintained control of positions in villages to the north. read more

"It's loud here but it's home at least," said Maryna Karabierova, 38, as another blast could be heard nearby. She had returned to Kharkiv after fleeing to Poland and Germany earlier in the war. "It can happen at any time, at night, during the day: this is what life is here."

Russia did not immediately comment on the situation in Kharkiv. It has denied targeting civilians in what it calls its "special military operation" in Ukraine.

The Donbas advance has been backed by massive artillery bombardment. Ukraine's armed forces said more than 40 towns in the region had been shelled in the past 24 hours, destroying or damaging 47 civilian sites, including 38 homes and a school.

ESCALATION
Western countries led by the United States have provided Ukraine with long-range weaponry, including M777 howitzers from Washington and Harpoon anti-ship missiles from Denmark.

Washington is even considering providing Kyiv with a rocket system that can have a range of hundreds of kilometers, and has held discussions with Kyiv about the danger of escalation if it strikes deep inside Russia, U.S. and diplomatic officials told Reuters. read more

"We have concerns about escalation and yet still do not want to put geographic limits or tie their hands too much with the stuff we're giving them," said one U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Ukraine's foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, said during a question and answer session over Twitter that "without multiple launch rocket systems, we won't be able to push them back." He said that if Russia were to request a ceasefire, "we will think twice, three times before agreeing to it".

Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said Moscow expects Ukraine to accept its demands at any future peace talks. It wants Kyiv to recognise Russian sovereignty over the Crimea peninsula Moscow seized in 2014, and the independence of separatist-claimed territory. read more

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said Putin must not be permitted to impose peace terms. read more

"There will be no dictated peace," Scholz said in Davos. "Ukraine will not accept this, and neither will we."
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 5:32:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By zach_:

Deodorant use. Impressive.
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Originally Posted By Dracster:
"Meanwhile, in St. Petersburg, 300 rubles for deodorants are packed in protective cases - so as not to steal

In the same St. Petersburg used to defend butter, and in Izhevsk - canned food.
According to official statistics, the number of thefts in stores in Russia has increased significantly over the past 3 months."

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Deodorant use. Impressive.


Kinda like when I was in high school and you could get a Russian hooker for some deodorant or a pair of blue jeans.
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 5:42:03 PM EDT
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On another forum I frequent, the breakthrough at Popasna was due to Ukr TD units pulling off the line unauthorized and leaving a large gap to exploit.

Apparently, the TD unit commanders were frustrated they believed they were not getting enough support from air or artillery.

It has caused a row between the regular army and the TD units, as the regular forces have been fighting under the same conditions since February.

This info is all from a Ukrainian. Says there are issues with TD units not wanting to fight outside of a units "home" territory. Which is what the case is with the Popasna TD troops. They were rotated in from the western part of Ukraine.
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 5:53:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By deputyrpa:


They have vital resources which cannot be competitively replaced. They have virtually no debt. The Ruble is the best performing currency on the planet. Putin's favorability has gone up.
They may miss Burger King though.

Sanctions have never worked as designed - from old Cuba to the present. If they haven't kicked in by now, I'm skeptical that they will. Sure they will have a higher inflation rate, but it won't be even close to we and the EU are currently experiencing. FFS, we needed foreign aid to make sure babies were fed!

The administration doesn't seem to ask "then what?" before they take these types of actions.
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‘Time’ is a bitch. They can only keep their economy afloat for so long as their reserves will run out and they will start to default. And then their economy tanks, and it tanks virtually overnight. Putin is counting on the west feeling the pain and relenting due to the west’s own economic pain. I think the west sees this through to the point the Russian economy craters. And it will crater virtually overnight. That is why Putin is so desperate right now. These Russian offensives are an attempt to stave off this financial damage. Ukraine has surprised us thus far. I think they will continue to surprise us. We are at a tippping point but I think Ukraine commits their reserves and it doesn’t go well for Russia, and the west continues to decouple from Russian energy and this gets worse and worse for Russia.

We will see. If what I think happens over the coming 60 days, and my optimistic predictions on it prove true, Russia sues for peace in two months.
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 6:19:23 PM EDT
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Our leaders are idiots though much of the support likely isnt what is killing our economy.  It can be done without economic damage but that would require competent leaders.
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That’s kind of a random blast without details. What do you mean?
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 6:22:01 PM EDT
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No, the empty box under the tube is where you can see unplugged cables is where the mission computer and PCCM go.
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Arfcom artillery guys, does this M777 have the equipment to fire guided rounds?

https://preview.redd.it/c862nml3pt191.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=82f167a5a283b764658ded1eaf325825107f105c

No, the empty box under the tube is where you can see unplugged cables is where the mission computer and PCCM go.

A visual aid on the Fire Control System
Thanks Ron.
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 6:24:30 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/26/2022 6:27:19 PM EDT
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Seems to be impressive enough to the Ukrainians, as they're throwing everything they have, including various Territorial Defense Units to the eastern front, and still are getting pushed back.  All the magic weapons promised to them from NATO countries aren't doing the job in keeping the Russians at bay, who are doing their modern Winter War method of using massive arty strikes to slowly, grindly, advance, take control of areas, and kill lots of their opponents.

If Russia is doing that badly, as all media outlets constantly claim, always with the same Smug Satisfaction!!! as when they would report on the death of someone from the Wuhan, who hadn't gotten a Wuhan shot, why are they able to keep advancing on the eastern front?  Calm before the Ukrainian counteroffensive?  Just days/weeks/months before those "crippling" sanctions kick in, and Russian can't afford to load up a single 5.45mm round?

Media hype, Defenders of Snake Island the Ghost of Kiev, and Smug Satisfaction! aside, facts on the ground are not favorable to Ukraine.  Their forces are being ground up and destroyed, in one unpronounceable town after the other by the Russians.   Ukraine seems to think that time is on their side, and that the longer the war continues, the better off conditions will be for them, via the massive inflow of NATO weapons and (most importantly) money, most of which will be stolen - Ukraine is one of the most corrupt counties in Europe.  But so far, sanctions on Russia (most of which don't matter, as the increase in the price of oil and gas have made up for them) and NATO weapons have not turned the tide.  Ukraine is losing troops and equipment that is at a rate not sustainable, all while continuing to lose ground.  



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It’s Ukraine, not NATO. If it was the totality of NATO, just the forces in theater, they’d be in Moscow in two weeks, maybe three. No way to prove that theorem but that is what I think.
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 6:33:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JTF:

A visual aid on the Fire Control System
Thanks Ron.
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Originally Posted By JTF:
Originally Posted By R0N:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Arfcom artillery guys, does this M777 have the equipment to fire guided rounds?

https://preview.redd.it/c862nml3pt191.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=82f167a5a283b764658ded1eaf325825107f105c

No, the empty box under the tube is where you can see unplugged cables is where the mission computer and PCCM go.

A visual aid on the Fire Control System
Thanks Ron.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSwgDMoaUAEvZ_p?format=jpg&name=large


Thanks JTF, that really makes it clear.
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 6:37:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TylerF:
On another forum I frequent, the breakthrough at Popasna was due to Ukr TD units pulling off the line unauthorized and leaving a large gap to exploit.

Apparently, the TD unit commanders were frustrated they believed they were not getting enough support from air or artillery.

It has caused a row between the regular army and the TD units, as the regular forces have been fighting under the same conditions since February.

This info is all from a Ukrainian. Says there are issues with TD units not wanting to fight outside of a units "home" territory. Which is what the case is with the Popasna TD troops. They were rotated in from the western part of Ukraine.
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What forum?
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 6:38:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GTLandser:


JFC people, fucking relax. How far was the Russian advance to seize Severodonetsk? 10-15km?

It's 250km to Dnipro. So at their present rate of advance, they'll get there in...18 months?

It is foolish to fight for every km of ground. The Ukrainians will do what any military would do when faced with a numerical disadvantage avoid encirclement and withdraw to the next defensible piece of terrain, and/or shorten and consolidate their lines until any numerical advantage is mitigated. The Russians have proven completely incapable of sustaining deep advances into Ukrainian territory, and every advance creates a vulnerable flank.

This has been done in warfare since the time of sharp sticks. The Ukrainians will be fine.
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Agreed

If someone wants to fight an area defense, and fight for every square inch of terrain, that's an option.

This looks like a mobile defense.  UA Infantry are attriting tanks and UAVs are attriting everything, while the Russians burn up artillery and the UA infantry fall back.  The idea would be for the defenders to counterattack and regain the ground when a vulnerability opens up.  Its really 1917 German tactics 101 from the Western front, where fighting for every square inch under the threat of superior enemy artillery would get you to lose lots of people for nothing.

IF we hear of a failed Ukrainian tank counterattack and IF we see pictures of hundreds of Ukrainian wrecks, start worrying. We're not close to that point.
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 6:39:41 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/26/2022 6:39:53 PM EDT
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What forum?
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Originally Posted By TylerF:
On another forum I frequent, the breakthrough at Popasna was due to Ukr TD units pulling off the line unauthorized and leaving a large gap to exploit.

Apparently, the TD unit commanders were frustrated they believed they were not getting enough support from air or artillery.

It has caused a row between the regular army and the TD units, as the regular forces have been fighting under the same conditions since February.

This info is all from a Ukrainian. Says there are issues with TD units not wanting to fight outside of a units "home" territory. Which is what the case is with the Popasna TD troops. They were rotated in from the western part of Ukraine.


What forum?

https://community.battlefront.com/topic/140931-how-hot-is-ukraine-gonna-get/page/804/#comments
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 6:42:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TylerF:
On another forum I frequent, the breakthrough at Popasna was due to Ukr TD units pulling off the line unauthorized and leaving a large gap to exploit.

Apparently, the TD unit commanders were frustrated they believed they were not getting enough support from air or artillery.

It has caused a row between the regular army and the TD units, as the regular forces have been fighting under the same conditions since February.

This info is all from a Ukrainian. Says there are issues with TD units not wanting to fight outside of a units "home" territory. Which is what the case is with the Popasna TD troops. They were rotated in from the western part of Ukraine.
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Correct me where I am wrong. This would be like Virginia national guard being called up to join the fight in california, then getting mad because it sucks and  they want to fight to protect Virginia, not california. And regular army getting mad at them because regular army has been fighting in conditions just as shitty all along.
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 6:44:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Wreckshooter:


It’s Ukraine, not NATO. If it was the totality of NATO, just the forces in theater, they’d be in Moscow in two weeks, maybe three. No way to prove that theorem but that is what I think.
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Originally Posted By 1stID:


Seems to be impressive enough to the Ukrainians, as they're throwing everything they have, including various Territorial Defense Units to the eastern front, and still are getting pushed back.  All the magic weapons promised to them from NATO countries aren't doing the job in keeping the Russians at bay, who are doing their modern Winter War method of using massive arty strikes to slowly, grindly, advance, take control of areas, and kill lots of their opponents.

If Russia is doing that badly, as all media outlets constantly claim, always with the same Smug Satisfaction!!! as when they would report on the death of someone from the Wuhan, who hadn't gotten a Wuhan shot, why are they able to keep advancing on the eastern front?  Calm before the Ukrainian counteroffensive?  Just days/weeks/months before those "crippling" sanctions kick in, and Russian can't afford to load up a single 5.45mm round?

Media hype, Defenders of Snake Island the Ghost of Kiev, and Smug Satisfaction! aside, facts on the ground are not favorable to Ukraine.  Their forces are being ground up and destroyed, in one unpronounceable town after the other by the Russians.   Ukraine seems to think that time is on their side, and that the longer the war continues, the better off conditions will be for them, via the massive inflow of NATO weapons and (most importantly) money, most of which will be stolen - Ukraine is one of the most corrupt counties in Europe.  But so far, sanctions on Russia (most of which don't matter, as the increase in the price of oil and gas have made up for them) and NATO weapons have not turned the tide.  Ukraine is losing troops and equipment that is at a rate not sustainable, all while continuing to lose ground.  





It’s Ukraine, not NATO. If it was the totality of NATO, just the forces in theater, they’d be in Moscow in two weeks, maybe three. No way to prove that theorem but that is what I think.



"Media hype, Defenders of Snake Island the Ghost of Kiev, and Smug Satisfaction! aside"

That comment right there is all I needed to read in his post that told me his mindset and opinion on the matter.
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 6:45:15 PM EDT
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PLEASE let this be true.  They really need some standoff capability.
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 6:47:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By stone-age:


Correct me where I am wrong. This would be like Virginia national guard being called up to join the fight in california, then getting mad because it sucks and  they want to fight to protect Virginia, not california. And regular army getting mad at them because regular army has been fighting in conditions just as shitty all along.
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No, more like a state guard. Technically there’s a reason they are called territorials.
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 6:53:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By stone-age:


Correct me where I am wrong. This would be like Virginia national guard being called up to join the fight in california, then getting mad because it sucks and  they want to fight to protect Virginia, not california. And regular army getting mad at them because regular army has been fighting in conditions just as shitty all along.
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Originally Posted By TylerF:
On another forum I frequent, the breakthrough at Popasna was due to Ukr TD units pulling off the line unauthorized and leaving a large gap to exploit.

Apparently, the TD unit commanders were frustrated they believed they were not getting enough support from air or artillery.

It has caused a row between the regular army and the TD units, as the regular forces have been fighting under the same conditions since February.

This info is all from a Ukrainian. Says there are issues with TD units not wanting to fight outside of a units "home" territory. Which is what the case is with the Popasna TD troops. They were rotated in from the western part of Ukraine.


Correct me where I am wrong. This would be like Virginia national guard being called up to join the fight in california, then getting mad because it sucks and  they want to fight to protect Virginia, not california. And regular army getting mad at them because regular army has been fighting in conditions just as shitty all along.


It is more like a voluntary official state militia (for Virginia let's use the Virginia Defense Force https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Defense_Force) being sent to California.
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 6:54:52 PM EDT
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PLEASE let this be true.  They really need some standoff capability.
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Originally Posted By Chokey:



PLEASE let this be true.  They really need some standoff capability.



We have heard blurbs about this the past week, but maybe something is brewing.  Along with the Harpoon missiles and long range artillery perhaps mid July is going to get interesting.
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 6:56:16 PM EDT
[#34]
Looks like UA has a website with a shopping list.

"WEAPONS LIST
Ukraine is forever grateful for the bipartisan support of the United States. Both US Congress and Senate have passed a lend-lease act that will surely help Ukraine fight this war.
Moreover, we would like to note Lloyd Austin’s statement “to defeat Russia so decisively on the battlefield that it will be deterred from launching such an attack ever again”. In order to defeat the Russians on the battlefield, Ukraine needs the following list of weapons, especially - Multiple Launch Rocket Systems. Time - is critical!"



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Link Posted: 5/26/2022 7:09:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dracster:

The source for that appears to be a Russian channel.
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It's a tweet, I shared it. If anything, it's probably a Russian missile and it's disinfo.
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 7:10:08 PM EDT
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Fuck yes!

Strike those gathering areas with the 1sqkm eliminator
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 7:13:54 PM EDT
[#37]
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-may-26


May 26, 6:30pm ET

Russian forces have made steady, incremental gains in heavy fighting in eastern Ukraine in the past several days, though Ukrainian defenses remain effective overall. Deputy Ukrainian Defense Minister Hanna Malyar stated that the fighting is currently at its "maximum intensity” compared to previous Russian assaults and will likely continue to escalate.[1] Spokesperson for the Ukrainian Defense Ministry Oleksandr Motuzyanyk characterized Russian gains as “temporary success” and stated that Ukrainian forces are using a maneuver defense to put pressure on Russian advances in key areas.[2] Russian forces have now taken control of over 95% of Luhansk Oblast and will likely continue efforts to complete the capture of Severodonetsk in the coming days.[3] Russian forces have made several gains in the past week, but their offensive operations remain slow. Russian forces are heavily degraded and will struggle to replace further losses.

Key Takeaways

Russian forces unsuccessfully attempted to advance southeast of Izyum near the Kharkiv-Donetsk Oblast border.
Russian forces continued steady advances around Severodonetsk and likely seek to completely encircle the Severodonetsk-Lysychansk area in the coming days.
Russian forces continued to make persistent advances south and west of Popasna toward Bakhmut, but the Russian pace of advance will likely slow as they approach the town itself.
Russian forces in occupied areas of the Southern Axis are reportedly preparing a “third line of defense” to consolidate long-term control over the region and in preparation to repel likely future Ukrainian counteroffensives.
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Main effort—Eastern Ukraine (comprised of one subordinate and three supporting efforts);
Subordinate main effort—Encirclement of Ukrainian troops in the cauldron between Izyum and Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts
Supporting effort 1—Kharkiv City
Supporting effort 2—Southern axis
Activities in Russian-occupied areas
Main Effort—Eastern Ukraine

Subordinate Main Effort—Southern Kharkiv, Donetsk, Luhansk Oblasts (Russian objective: Encircle Ukrainian forces in eastern Ukraine and capture the entirety of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, the claimed territory of Russia’s proxies in Donbas)

Russian forces continued to attempt advances southeast of Izyum toward Slovyansk on May 26. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Russian troops attempted to attack Bohorodychne, about 30 km southeast of Izyum.[4] Russian forces additionally conducted artillery, rocket, mortar, and tank attacks against Chepil, Dovehenke, Kurulka, and Studenok, all settlements to the southeast of Izyum in the direction of Slovyansk.[5] Such offensive actions indicate that Russian troops hope to continue their advance toward the borders of Donetsk Oblast and merge with operations around Lyman, which Russian forces fully captured on May 26.[6]
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Russian forces continued efforts to encircle Severodonetsk on May 26. Russian forces reportedly attempted to take control of Ustynivka, about 15 km southeast of Severodonetsk.[7] Russian sources additionally reported that Russian troops are approaching Severodonetsk from Vojevodivka and Schedryshcheve (northeast of Severodonetsk) and that the northeast portion of the city is under Russian control. A Russian military reporter claimed that as many as 10,000 people may be trapped in the Severodonetsk-Lysychansk cauldron.[9] Ukrainian troops have reportedly fortified their positions in the Zolote-Orikhiv area, where Russian troops have encircled them.[10]

Russian forces continued persistent advances in Donetsk Oblast south and west of Popasna on May 26. Troops from the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics (DNR and LNR) claimed to have taken full control of Svitlodarsk and Midna Ruda, settlements off the M03 highway and within 30 km southeast of Bakhmut.[11] Russian troops are reportedly fighting around Komyshuvakha, Nirkove, Berestove, Belohorivka, Pokrovske, Klynove, Lypove, and Nahirne and using these areas to advance toward Bakhmut.[12] Russian forces conducted unsuccessful operations around Donetsk City in the vicinity of Avdiivka and continued to shell north and northwest of Avdiivka.[13]
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Supporting Effort #1—Kharkiv City (Russian objective: Withdraw forces to the north and defend ground lines of communication (GLOCs) to Izyum)

Russian forces focused on maintaining their positions around Kharkiv City on May 26. The Ukrainian General Staff stated that Russian troops north of Kharkiv City reconnoitered and fired on Ukrainian positions to prevent any further Ukrainian advances in this area.[14] Russian forces shelled the center of Kharkiv City and surrounding settlements.[15]
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Supporting Effort #2—Southern Axis (Objective: Defend Kherson against Ukrainian counterattacks)

Russian forces focused on improving their tactical positions and strengthening defensive lines on the southern axis on May 26.[16] Ukraine’s Southern Operational Command stated that Russian forces are creating a “third line of defense” in occupied Kherson Oblast, indicating they are preparing for protracted conflict in this area and digging in to repel likely anticipated Ukrainian counteroffensives.[17] This assessment is consistent with statements made by the Ukrainian Main Intelligence Directorate (GUR) that Russian forces are strengthening their defenses in occupied areas in order to hold those territories over the long term.[18]

Russian forces are reportedly attempting to advance to the Mykolaiv-Kherson administrative border and conducted unsuccessful assault operations around Tavriyske and Mykolaivka on May 26.[19] Russian forces heavily shelled areas of Zaporizhia Oblast and strengthened their grouping of forces around Vasylivka and Polohy to renew offensives in the directions of Kamyanske, Orikhiv, and Huliapole.[20] The Ukrainian General Staff noted that the Russian grouping in Zaporizhia, specifically around Melitopol, has been reinforced by a battalion using outdated T-62 tanks, confirming earlier Ukrainian reports that Russian forces are cobbling together battalions with obsolete T-62 tanks to compensate for equipment losses.[21]
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Activity in Russian-occupied areas (Russian objective: consolidate administrative control of occupied areas; set conditions for potential annexation into the Russian Federation or some other future political arrangement of Moscow’s choosing)

Russian occupation authorities continued actions to strengthen their administrative control of occupied areas on May 26. Russia’s Ministry of Emergency Situations deployed three broadcast trucks to Mariupol to transmit state-controlled programming to residents of the city.[22] Advisor to the Mayor of Mariupol Petro Andryushchenko claimed that occupation elements are taking control of schools in Mariupol and have extended the school year through September in order to ensure children spend the summer learning according to strictly Russian curricula.[23] Russian-backed occupation authorities in Kherson stated that Russian mobile phone operators will be available in occupied areas and that pensions will be paid in rubles starting in June.[24] Residents of Kherson and Zaporizhia will additionally be able to obtain Russian passports at newly established passport points in accordance with Russian President Vladimir Putin’s May 25 decree simplifying the process to obtain Russian passports in these occupied areas.[25]

Immediate items to watch

Russian forces are likely reinforcing their grouping north of Kharkiv City to prevent further advances of the Ukrainian counteroffensive toward the Russian border. Russan forces may commit elements of the 1st Tank Army to Northern Kharkiv in the near future.
Russian forces are prioritizing cutting off two major highways to Severodonetsk but may start to storm the city before they successfully cut GLOCs.
Occupation forces in Mariupol will continue to strengthen administrative control of the city but are likely unsure of what the ultimate annexation policy will be.
Russian forces are likely preparing for Ukrainian counteroffensives and settling in for protracted operations in Southern Ukraine.
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Link Posted: 5/26/2022 7:15:47 PM EDT
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⚡️ Reuters: US, Ukraine discuss risk of escalation amid weapons provisions.

As western partners equip Ukraine with increasingly sophisticated, longer-range weapons, the U.S. spoke of the danger of escalation should Ukraine hit Russia’s interior, reports Reuters, citing unnamed U.S. and diplomatic officials.

“We have concerns about escalation and yet still do not want to put geographic limits or tie their (Ukraine's) hands too much with the stuff we're giving them," a U.S. official reportedly said.

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Link Posted: 5/26/2022 7:15:52 PM EDT
[#39]
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Originally Posted By mbinky:
Looks like UA has a website with a shopping list.

"WEAPONS LIST
Ukraine is forever grateful for the bipartisan support of the United States. Both US Congress and Senate have passed a lend-lease act that will surely help Ukraine fight this war.
Moreover, we would like to note Lloyd Austin’s statement “to defeat Russia so decisively on the battlefield that it will be deterred from launching such an attack ever again”. In order to defeat the Russians on the battlefield, Ukraine needs the following list of weapons, especially - Multiple Launch Rocket Systems. Time - is critical!"

https://i.postimg.cc/zXnHtNm5/Screen-Shot-2022-05-26-at-6-55-12-PM.png

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They've been telling us quite clearly for weeks/months now. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

In fact I don't know if it was a VZ interview or what, but they are basically getting tired of repeating themselves while their people are dying.

"Jesus Christ! What button do I need to push, or lever do I need to pull, to get the US Government to DO something!?"
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 7:27:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CharlieR:



Agreed

If someone wants to fight an area defense, and fight for every square inch of terrain, that's an option.

This looks like a mobile defense.  UA Infantry are attriting tanks and UAVs are attriting everything, while the Russians burn up artillery and the UA infantry fall back.  The idea would be for the defenders to counterattack and regain the ground when a vulnerability opens up.  Its really 1917 German tactics 101 from the Western front, where fighting for every square inch under the threat of superior enemy artillery would get you to lose lots of people for nothing.

IF we hear of a failed Ukrainian tank counterattack and IF we see pictures of hundreds of Ukrainian wrecks, start worrying. We're not close to that point.
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Originally Posted By GTLandser:


JFC people, fucking relax. How far was the Russian advance to seize Severodonetsk? 10-15km?

It's 250km to Dnipro. So at their present rate of advance, they'll get there in...18 months?

It is foolish to fight for every km of ground. The Ukrainians will do what any military would do when faced with a numerical disadvantage avoid encirclement and withdraw to the next defensible piece of terrain, and/or shorten and consolidate their lines until any numerical advantage is mitigated. The Russians have proven completely incapable of sustaining deep advances into Ukrainian territory, and every advance creates a vulnerable flank.

This has been done in warfare since the time of sharp sticks. The Ukrainians will be fine.



Agreed

If someone wants to fight an area defense, and fight for every square inch of terrain, that's an option.

This looks like a mobile defense.  UA Infantry are attriting tanks and UAVs are attriting everything, while the Russians burn up artillery and the UA infantry fall back.  The idea would be for the defenders to counterattack and regain the ground when a vulnerability opens up.  Its really 1917 German tactics 101 from the Western front, where fighting for every square inch under the threat of superior enemy artillery would get you to lose lots of people for nothing.

IF we hear of a failed Ukrainian tank counterattack and IF we see pictures of hundreds of Ukrainian wrecks, start worrying. We're not close to that point.


Alright. I'll listen to you guys. I honestly have no knowledge about this stuff. Personally, I'd like to see every ukranian issued a meat cleaver immediately. And maybe a chainsaw.
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 7:31:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By zach_:

Deodorant use. Impressive.
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Originally Posted By Dracster:
"Meanwhile, in St. Petersburg, 300 rubles for deodorants are packed in protective cases - so as not to steal

In the same St. Petersburg used to defend butter, and in Izhevsk - canned food.
According to official statistics, the number of thefts in stores in Russia has increased significantly over the past 3 months."

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-05-26_08-09-39_jpg-2397670.JPG

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-05-26_08-09-38_jpg-2397671.JPG

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Deodorant use. Impressive.


So exactly like San Francisco then?
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 7:40:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mbinky:
⚡️ Reuters: US, Ukraine discuss risk of escalation amid weapons provisions.

As western partners equip Ukraine with increasingly sophisticated, longer-range weapons, the U.S. spoke of the danger of escalation should Ukraine hit Russia’s interior, reports Reuters, citing unnamed U.S. and diplomatic officials.

“We have concerns about escalation and yet still do not want to put geographic limits or tie their (Ukraine's) hands too much with the stuff we're giving them," a U.S. official reportedly said.

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Lol

That's some double speak
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 8:02:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:

Lol

That's some double speak
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:
Originally Posted By mbinky:
⚡️ Reuters: US, Ukraine discuss risk of escalation amid weapons provisions.

As western partners equip Ukraine with increasingly sophisticated, longer-range weapons, the U.S. spoke of the danger of escalation should Ukraine hit Russia’s interior, reports Reuters, citing unnamed U.S. and diplomatic officials.

“We have concerns about escalation and yet still do not want to put geographic limits or tie their (Ukraine's) hands too much with the stuff we're giving them," a U.S. official reportedly said.

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Lol

That's some double speak

Probably related to Kharkov and the Russians lobbing stuff from their side.
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 8:29:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By stgdz:

Probably related to Kharkov and the Russians lobbing stuff from their side.
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Yep. I couldn't blame Ukraine for nailing a rocket launcher inside of the russian border. But Russia would be like "See! We told you the nazis were going to attack russia!" And some countries that have been reluctantly supporting Ukraine would declare that it is now a war between 2 belligerent countries and is no longer a situation of one country simply attempting to defend itself from an aggressor.

It's unfortunate that Patriot system requires a bunch of well trained Americans to use the system. It would be a good fix for this particular problem.
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 8:32:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mbinky:


You can be taught how to actually load in probably under 30 minutes.  But it takes time to be able to do it smoothly, without screwing up what you have to do, and to do it quickly.  I ran loader for a few months and I sucked.  I could never get my times down and I was never as smooth as the guys whose job it was.  A good loader can make a huge difference in a fight.  When the TC or gunner is on a target about to kill them a loader fumbling the round, the safe/arm lever, or just plain old taking too long it can make a difference.  Now the loader is the second most junior spot in an American tank so it doesn't require a huge amount of skill but yes, if you watch two tanks shooting on a range and one has a crappy loader you can absolutely tell the difference.
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Originally Posted By mbinky:
Originally Posted By 4xGM300m:


1 hour? Maybe 2?

I'm just curious.



You can be taught how to actually load in probably under 30 minutes.  But it takes time to be able to do it smoothly, without screwing up what you have to do, and to do it quickly.  I ran loader for a few months and I sucked.  I could never get my times down and I was never as smooth as the guys whose job it was.  A good loader can make a huge difference in a fight.  When the TC or gunner is on a target about to kill them a loader fumbling the round, the safe/arm lever, or just plain old taking too long it can make a difference.  Now the loader is the second most junior spot in an American tank so it doesn't require a huge amount of skill but yes, if you watch two tanks shooting on a range and one has a crappy loader you can absolutely tell the difference.

I 100% believe this. I did some assembly line type work back in the day and optimizing your economy of motion and accuracy makes a huge difference. The old timers were extremely smooth and fast from years of fine tuning every minute movement. I imagine it can make a huge difference in something like loading, where your life is on the line.

Link Posted: 5/26/2022 8:45:40 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/26/2022 8:50:54 PM EDT
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Yep. I couldn't blame Ukraine for nailing a rocket launcher inside of the russian border. But Russia would be like "See! We told you the nazis were going to attack russia!" And some countries that have been reluctantly supporting Ukraine would declare that it is now a war between 2 belligerent countries and is no longer a situation of one country simply attempting to defend itself from an aggressor.

It's unfortunate that Patriot system requires a bunch of well trained Americans to use the system. It would be a good fix for this particular problem.
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Originally Posted By stone-age:
Originally Posted By stgdz:

Probably related to Kharkov and the Russians lobbing stuff from their side.


Yep. I couldn't blame Ukraine for nailing a rocket launcher inside of the russian border. But Russia would be like "See! We told you the nazis were going to attack russia!" And some countries that have been reluctantly supporting Ukraine would declare that it is now a war between 2 belligerent countries and is no longer a situation of one country simply attempting to defend itself from an aggressor.

It's unfortunate that Patriot system requires a bunch of well trained Americans to use the system. It would be a good fix for this particular problem.



Play their game and deny all. Say their weapons are so old and bad shape they fail on the ground before launch.
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 8:54:17 PM EDT
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Just want to thank that oswald guy for some much needed comic relief.


Link Posted: 5/26/2022 8:55:46 PM EDT
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US/UK members of the Ukrainian foreign legion hit Russian vehicle with an AT weapon.

Pretty insane footage.
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What is the weapon at 00:03.  ?  It seems to resemble that big revolver grenade launcher.
Link Posted: 5/26/2022 9:03:58 PM EDT
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Agreed

If someone wants to fight an area defense, and fight for every square inch of terrain, that's an option.

This looks like a mobile defense.  UA Infantry are attriting tanks and UAVs are attriting everything, while the Russians burn up artillery and the UA infantry fall back.  The idea would be for the defenders to counterattack and regain the ground when a vulnerability opens up.  Its really 1917 German tactics 101 from the Western front, where fighting for every square inch under the threat of superior enemy artillery would get you to lose lots of people for nothing.

IF we hear of a failed Ukrainian tank counterattack and IF we see pictures of hundreds of Ukrainian wrecks, start worrying. We're not close to that point.
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Originally Posted By CharlieR:
Originally Posted By GTLandser:


JFC people, fucking relax. How far was the Russian advance to seize Severodonetsk? 10-15km?

It's 250km to Dnipro. So at their present rate of advance, they'll get there in...18 months?

It is foolish to fight for every km of ground. The Ukrainians will do what any military would do when faced with a numerical disadvantage avoid encirclement and withdraw to the next defensible piece of terrain, and/or shorten and consolidate their lines until any numerical advantage is mitigated. The Russians have proven completely incapable of sustaining deep advances into Ukrainian territory, and every advance creates a vulnerable flank.

This has been done in warfare since the time of sharp sticks. The Ukrainians will be fine.



Agreed

If someone wants to fight an area defense, and fight for every square inch of terrain, that's an option.

This looks like a mobile defense.  UA Infantry are attriting tanks and UAVs are attriting everything, while the Russians burn up artillery and the UA infantry fall back.  The idea would be for the defenders to counterattack and regain the ground when a vulnerability opens up.  Its really 1917 German tactics 101 from the Western front, where fighting for every square inch under the threat of superior enemy artillery would get you to lose lots of people for nothing.

IF we hear of a failed Ukrainian tank counterattack and IF we see pictures of hundreds of Ukrainian wrecks, start worrying. We're not close to that point.


Despite the various “sky is falling” posts, these posts have it.  Ukraine is fighting a mobile defense-in-depth.  They have the territory to trade for time and Russian KIAs.
There are many, many examples of competent armies behaving foolishly for political reasons.  Germany on the Eastern Front, with Hitler’s insane orders for
“No retreat” is a prime example.  Germany could’ve preserved much more of their army and ultimately extracted greater costs from the Russians with strategic retreats.  Instead they frequently held in unfavorable conditions and got wrecked. It should be noted that Mariupol may be the only time that’s happened to the Ukrainians.
Russia is moving forward at a snail’s pace and taking significant losses to do so.  No significant encirclements of field forces (besides Azov) have happened.  That should tell you something.
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