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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
View Quote That is the kind of thing money can't buy, and only an Army full of rabid fascists would believe. It is easier for them to accept immortal hohols than the fact that they suck at war. |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
View Quote *if true* (which should caveat everything we hear right now)... Then my question is: why would the Ukrainians even bother to entertain talks right now? They've made their position clear - that the Russians leave ALL Ukrainian territory, and ALL pre-2014 territory is returned to Ukraine. Including the republics and Crimea. So if that's their position, then what is there to discuss? The Russians know this. They're just trying to pause the offensive. |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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Let us never forget, government has no resources of its own. Government can only give to us what it has previously taken from us.
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fcj2Hh-aIAIIlLC?format=jpg&name=large View Quote I've argued against mistreatment and torturing of POWs multiple times in this very thread, a few months back. With that said, I could easily be persuaded to agree in this case. |
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Originally Posted By CenterMass762: I've argued against mistreatment and torturing of POWs multiple times in this very thread, a few months back. With that said, I could easily be persuaded to agree in this case. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CenterMass762: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fcj2Hh-aIAIIlLC?format=jpg&name=large I've argued against mistreatment and torturing of POWs multiple times in this very thread, a few months back. With that said, I could easily be persuaded to agree in this case. It is a conundrum for sure. |
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Let us never forget, government has no resources of its own. Government can only give to us what it has previously taken from us.
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Originally Posted By CenterMass762: I've argued against mistreatment and torturing of POWs multiple times in this very thread, a few months back. With that said, I could easily be persuaded to agree in this case. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CenterMass762: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fcj2Hh-aIAIIlLC?format=jpg&name=large I've argued against mistreatment and torturing of POWs multiple times in this very thread, a few months back. With that said, I could easily be persuaded to agree in this case. I'm guessing he will retain his testicles, but will get some other tenderly love from the UKR interrogators. |
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Originally Posted By CenterMass762: I've argued against mistreatment and torturing of POWs multiple times in this very thread, a few months back. With that said, I could easily be persuaded to agree in this case. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CenterMass762: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fcj2Hh-aIAIIlLC?format=jpg&name=large I've argued against mistreatment and torturing of POWs multiple times in this very thread, a few months back. With that said, I could easily be persuaded to agree in this case. Torturing people for being enemy soldiers is immoral. Returning the favor, is less so. If they caught someone who was doing that shit, I’d have a coke if they decided to kill him with a cheese grater. |
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Originally Posted By fisterkev: *if true* (which should caveat everything we hear right now)... Then my question is: why would the Ukrainians even bother to entertain talks right now? They've made their position clear - that the Russians leave ALL Ukrainian territory, and ALL pre-2014 territory is returned to Ukraine. Including the republics and Crimea. So if that's their position, then what is there to discuss? The Russians know this. They're just trying to pause the offensive. View Quote They shouldn't. The Russians don't want to negotiate in good faith. They just want a cease-fire so they can interrupt the UA momentum and rebuild a defensive line. The Russians have no credibility left. |
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Never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end—which you can never afford to lose—with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be. - Adm James Stockdale
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Originally Posted By jDrexler: Torturing people for being enemy soldiers is immoral. Returning the favor, is less so. If they caught someone who was doing that shit, I’d have a coke if they decided to kill him with a cheese grater. View Quote I wouldn't lose any sleep over his mistreatment anyways. |
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Never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end—which you can never afford to lose—with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be. - Adm James Stockdale
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Originally Posted By stgdz: There are so many minor things in Ukraine that are keeping the big picture together. These engineers will probably never get any glory of freeing villages but like the guy that slept next to the network rack to keep the inet up, the nation continues. View Quote The firefighters across Ukraine at the start of the Russian attack on Kiyv were fuck'n AWESOME! |
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Originally Posted By CenterMass762: I've argued against mistreatment and torturing of POWs multiple times in this very thread, a few months back. With that said, I could easily be persuaded to agree in this case. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CenterMass762: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fcj2Hh-aIAIIlLC?format=jpg&name=large I've argued against mistreatment and torturing of POWs multiple times in this very thread, a few months back. With that said, I could easily be persuaded to agree in this case. Since they publicized it, then he should stand trial for war crimes and murder. At this point extrajudicial justice hurts Ukraine politically and on the PR front. If you want to do that, no pictures or recordings or public announcements. Just do it then dump what’s left in a cesspit. |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
View Quote Another embarrassing moment for the Ruskie government … freakin’ bleed them of their equipment so that they can never get the chance to do this again. |
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Originally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: I know it's like being in agreement with FJB on sending arms to Ukraine. We know it's the right thing to do. We know it's the morally responsible thing to do. We know it's on the side of all that is good and holy. So, how did he get here? View Quote I think a major European war is so far outside the comfort area and world of the people in this administration, that they had no idea of what should or even could be done, so they have relied on the various agencies and institutions that DO have an idea of what should be done and have been planning for it for generations. Biden and a lot of the cabinet are highly competent at doing what they are told. And, to be honest, a couple of critical foreign policy appointments were reasonable -- compared to the the more political folks. |
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Originally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: I know it's like being in agreement with FJB on sending arms to Ukraine. We know it's the right thing to do. We know it's the morally responsible thing to do. We know it's on the side of all that is good and holy. So, how did he get here? View Quote A stopped clock is right twice a day... |
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"I do believe that some gun laws are needed and yes, I am a Republican" ~ tc556guy - NRA Member
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
View Quote It's simple, Ivan. Pull your shit back to your side of the border and keep your artillery far enough away that it can't reach the border, and we will stop killing you by the gross. |
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"I do believe that some gun laws are needed and yes, I am a Republican" ~ tc556guy - NRA Member
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Anyone seeing anything on your channels about this? Supposedly Ukes are pushing south.
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Coyote with 40 people crammed into a minivan gets into a chase with DPS, Paco over estimates his driving abilities and *whmmo!* the Astrovan of Immigration becomes a Pinata of Pain, hurling broken bodies like so many tasty pieces of cheap candy...
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Originally Posted By fisterkev: *if true* (which should caveat everything we hear right now)... Then my question is: why would the Ukrainians even bother to entertain talks right now? They've made their position clear - that the Russians leave ALL Ukrainian territory, and ALL pre-2014 territory is returned to Ukraine. Including the republics and Crimea. So if that's their position, then what is there to discuss? The Russians know this. They're just trying to pause the offensive. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By fisterkev: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
*if true* (which should caveat everything we hear right now)... Then my question is: why would the Ukrainians even bother to entertain talks right now? They've made their position clear - that the Russians leave ALL Ukrainian territory, and ALL pre-2014 territory is returned to Ukraine. Including the republics and Crimea. So if that's their position, then what is there to discuss? The Russians know this. They're just trying to pause the offensive. That is what the Ukrainians surmised, and they immediately said no talks to the Russians as they believed it was just a delaying action. |
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It's not stupid, it's advanced!!
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Originally Posted By Cypher15: Anyone seeing anything on your channels about this? Supposedly Ukes are pushing south.
View Quote Yea, but I suspect it's not military units, yet. Ukrainians are pushing though in that area. |
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It's not stupid, it's advanced!!
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Originally Posted By dillydilly: He’s 100% right on that. Cause it’s true, the longer Ukraine waits, the worse it’ll be for the Russians 😂 View Quote Their country is frozen by mass hysteria. They literally cannot recognize reality as it is kicking them in the nuts. Even now, they're more concerned with coming up with excuses for failure than solutions for success. Most of them appear to have learned NOTHING from all of this. Despite incurring a hefty bill for their education at 50k dead sons, husbands, fathers, and brothers. And climbing. What lesson have they learned? "We should hit all of the 'hohols' power plants and transformers!" Russian culture is fucking cancer. 80 years of communism ruined anything good about their culture, irrevocably. The only possible reformers have fled the country to start new lives elsewhere and took with them any chance of making Russia better. We talk about a coup to "fix" Russia... fix it with what? They only have more of the same to replace it with. You can't make a government less corrupt than the sum of its constituent members. |
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Never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end—which you can never afford to lose—with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be. - Adm James Stockdale
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It's not stupid, it's advanced!!
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcjJjB5WYAMAyKv?format=jpg&name=medium View Quote If that were true, then it means the Russian soldiery is even worse dogshit than anyone knew. Considering they're getting their asses handed to them. |
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Never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end—which you can never afford to lose—with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be. - Adm James Stockdale
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fcj2Hh-aIAIIlLC?format=jpg&name=large View Quote |
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nothing of value here
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I've been battling some internal demons this week, so far I'm 0 for 6.
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Originally Posted By CenterMass762: I've argued against mistreatment and torturing of POWs multiple times in this very thread, a few months back. With that said, I could easily be persuaded to agree in this case. View Quote Here’s a datapoint on how the American officer pool feels about torturing/killing prisoners. Pretty much 50/50 on it from this example. -Several years ago (over a decade) I was interviewed by a USN O-6 for a slot. He interviewed quite a few candidates across all branches and a few civilians, was not USN specific. - After the interview was done and the evaluation fixed, he posed a hypothetical. If ordered by a USMC BG in your chain of command, would you kill a prisoner who was a high-value enemy intelligence operative? The reason is that you are about to be overrun and you can not evacuate him w/you. - I was aghast and said no. He asked why, I reiterated the same points as mentioned here for the most part. Afterwards, I asked him what his pool-wide results were across candidates and a few years. He said it was very much 50-50. |
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Never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end—which you can never afford to lose—with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be. - Adm James Stockdale
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I've been battling some internal demons this week, so far I'm 0 for 6.
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2: If that were true, then it means the Russian soldiery is even worse dogshit than anyone knew. Considering they're getting their asses handed to them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 1Andy2: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcjJjB5WYAMAyKv?format=jpg&name=medium If that were true, then it means the Russian soldiery is even worse dogshit than anyone knew. Considering they're getting their asses handed to them. It is such a bad attempt at times, that I feel they can't be that stupid, but so far I learned to lower my standards for Russian military prowess. |
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It's not stupid, it's advanced!!
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Russians Troubled By News Of Army Retreat In Kharkiv, Many In Denial
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Sun, Fun, and Gun
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Better context.
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It's not stupid, it's advanced!!
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Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
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Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Yeah, no evidence for something absolutely means it's debunked. By that logic you can make whatever outrageous claim you want, and if you can't prove my insanity wrong then it's not debunked, despite having no evidence. View Quote I dont give two shits about biolabs and neither does Russia. It has/had absolutely nothing to do with the invasion. BTW The US State Department has acknowledged that they were funding numerous bio-labs in Ukraine. This is public, on video, aired on the news. iirc there was some panic at the time about 'what if the Russians get ahold of the data'. To now say that the US was funding no labs in Ukraine (after the US officially acknowledged it) is stupid and makes us pro-Ukraine folks looks like idiots that are rejecting obvious facts, like the Russians. |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Yea, but I suspect it's not military units, yet. Ukrainians are pushing though in that area. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Cypher15: Anyone seeing anything on your channels about this? Supposedly Ukes are pushing south.
Yea, but I suspect it's not military units, yet. Ukrainians are pushing though in that area. |
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Coyote with 40 people crammed into a minivan gets into a chase with DPS, Paco over estimates his driving abilities and *whmmo!* the Astrovan of Immigration becomes a Pinata of Pain, hurling broken bodies like so many tasty pieces of cheap candy...
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Earth doesn't have homeless. No poverty, no prejudice, no crime. It’s all disappeared when we rewrote the dictionary. -Musante (Babylon 5)
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It's not stupid, it's advanced!!
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: It is such a bad attempt at times, that I feel they can't be that stupid, but so far I learned to lower my standards for Russian military prowess. View Quote Its like a response you'd get from a defensive 4 year old losing at checkers. "I'm not losing! You're a big dummy poo poo head!" |
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Never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end—which you can never afford to lose—with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be. - Adm James Stockdale
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Originally Posted By Jack67: Here's a datapoint on how the American officer pool feels about torturing/killing prisoners. Pretty much 50/50 on it from this example. -Several years ago (over a decade) I was interviewed by a USN O-6 for a slot. He interviewed quite a few candidates across all branches and a few civilians, was not USN specific. - After the interview was done and the evaluation fixed, he posed a hypothetical. If ordered by a USMC BG in your chain of command, would you kill a prisoner who was a high-value enemy intelligence operative? The reason is that you are about to be overrun and you can not evacuate him w/you. - I was aghast and said no. He asked why, I reiterated the same points as mentioned here for the most part. Afterwards, I asked him what his pool-wide results were across candidates and a few years. He said it was very much 50-50. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Jack67: Originally Posted By CenterMass762: I've argued against mistreatment and torturing of POWs multiple times in this very thread, a few months back. With that said, I could easily be persuaded to agree in this case. Here's a datapoint on how the American officer pool feels about torturing/killing prisoners. Pretty much 50/50 on it from this example. -Several years ago (over a decade) I was interviewed by a USN O-6 for a slot. He interviewed quite a few candidates across all branches and a few civilians, was not USN specific. - After the interview was done and the evaluation fixed, he posed a hypothetical. If ordered by a USMC BG in your chain of command, would you kill a prisoner who was a high-value enemy intelligence operative? The reason is that you are about to be overrun and you can not evacuate him w/you. - I was aghast and said no. He asked why, I reiterated the same points as mentioned here for the most part. Afterwards, I asked him what his pool-wide results were across candidates and a few years. He said it was very much 50-50. |
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The FBI delenda est!
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Originally Posted By Tiberius: Since they publicized it, then he should stand trial for war crimes and murder. At this point extrajudicial justice hurts Ukraine politically and on the PR front. If you want to do that, no pictures or recordings or public announcements. Just do it then dump what’s left in a cesspit. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Tiberius: Originally Posted By CenterMass762: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fcj2Hh-aIAIIlLC?format=jpg&name=large I've argued against mistreatment and torturing of POWs multiple times in this very thread, a few months back. With that said, I could easily be persuaded to agree in this case. Since they publicized it, then he should stand trial for war crimes and murder. At this point extrajudicial justice hurts Ukraine politically and on the PR front. If you want to do that, no pictures or recordings or public announcements. Just do it then dump what’s left in a cesspit. I agree completely. |
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I dont give two shits about biolabs and neither does Russia. It has/had absolutely nothing to do with the invasion. BTW The US State Department has acknowledged that they were funding numerous bio-labs in Ukraine. This is public, on video, aired on the news. iirc there was some panic at the time about 'what if the Russians get ahold of the data'. To now say that the US was funding no labs in Ukraine (after the US officially acknowledged it) is stupid and makes us pro-Ukraine folks looks like idiots that are rejecting obvious facts, like the Russians. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Yeah, no evidence for something absolutely means it's debunked. By that logic you can make whatever outrageous claim you want, and if you can't prove my insanity wrong then it's not debunked, despite having no evidence. I dont give two shits about biolabs and neither does Russia. It has/had absolutely nothing to do with the invasion. BTW The US State Department has acknowledged that they were funding numerous bio-labs in Ukraine. This is public, on video, aired on the news. iirc there was some panic at the time about 'what if the Russians get ahold of the data'. To now say that the US was funding no labs in Ukraine (after the US officially acknowledged it) is stupid and makes us pro-Ukraine folks looks like idiots that are rejecting obvious facts, like the Russians. I bet it was a george soros funded covid creation lab that the russians wanted to destroy to help the christian nationalists in the USA. |
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Originally Posted By ar-jedi:
View Quote Cold blooded tweet response.
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Originally Posted By NunyaBidness: Intel Operative? That's a spy, not a soldier, right? I don't see a huge problem with the order. Am I missing something or am I just an asshole? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By NunyaBidness: Originally Posted By Jack67: Originally Posted By CenterMass762: I've argued against mistreatment and torturing of POWs multiple times in this very thread, a few months back. With that said, I could easily be persuaded to agree in this case. Here's a datapoint on how the American officer pool feels about torturing/killing prisoners. Pretty much 50/50 on it from this example. -Several years ago (over a decade) I was interviewed by a USN O-6 for a slot. He interviewed quite a few candidates across all branches and a few civilians, was not USN specific. - After the interview was done and the evaluation fixed, he posed a hypothetical. If ordered by a USMC BG in your chain of command, would you kill a prisoner who was a high-value enemy intelligence operative? The reason is that you are about to be overrun and you can not evacuate him w/you. - I was aghast and said no. He asked why, I reiterated the same points as mentioned here for the most part. Afterwards, I asked him what his pool-wide results were across candidates and a few years. He said it was very much 50-50. Legality aside, even if they were a uniformed soldier you are very much getting into some grey areas. Killing a prisoner because you don’t like that he is your enemy, or because he badmouthed your mother is pretty cut and dry as immoral. Killing a prisoner because their specific death will have a significant impact on your enemies ability to wage war in the future? It might not be legal, but I’d judge someone who did it far less harshly than just killing/torturing for shits and giggles. |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
View Quote Biolab zombie soldiers..lol |
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Only God will judge me.
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Originally Posted By Jack67: Here’s a datapoint on how the American officer pool feels about torturing/killing prisoners. Pretty much 50/50 on it from this example. -Several years ago (over a decade) I was interviewed by a USN O-6 for a slot. He interviewed quite a few candidates across all branches and a few civilians, was not USN specific. - After the interview was done and the evaluation fixed, he posed a hypothetical. If ordered by a USMC BG in your chain of command, would you kill a prisoner who was a high-value enemy intelligence operative? The reason is that you are about to be overrun and you can not evacuate him w/you. - I was aghast and said no. He asked why, I reiterated the same points as mentioned here for the most part. Afterwards, I asked him what his pool-wide results were across candidates and a few years. He said it was very much 50-50. View Quote “Sir, he would be out of our custody when he died.” |
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Originally Posted By Cypher15: Sauce (source) me up View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Cypher15: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Cypher15: Anyone seeing anything on your channels about this? Supposedly Ukes are pushing south.
Yea, but I suspect it's not military units, yet. Ukrainians are pushing though in that area North. No real sources, it was just my own hunch. There was was Partisan activity there 1hr ago.
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It's not stupid, it's advanced!!
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Originally Posted By CenterMass762: I've argued against mistreatment and torturing of POWs multiple times in this very thread, a few months back. With that said, I could easily be persuaded to agree in this case. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CenterMass762: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fcj2Hh-aIAIIlLC?format=jpg&name=large I've argued against mistreatment and torturing of POWs multiple times in this very thread, a few months back. With that said, I could easily be persuaded to agree in this case. Fuck that. Humanity for humanity's sake. Give him a trial. Make sure that actually is the asshole. Tie him to a post and shoot his ass. If you're feeling vindictive, shoot low. |
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Originally Posted By weptek911: Give him a military trial with a jury of similar rank Ukrainian soldiers, if convicted hang him. It could be done in a week. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By weptek911: Originally Posted By Banditman: It is a conundrum for sure. Give him a military trial with a jury of similar rank Ukrainian soldiers, if convicted hang him. It could be done in a week. Traditionally, the execution method for crimes of a military nature or those conducted against enemy (or friendly) soldiers is the firing squad. Hanging is usually reserved for crimes against civilians. |
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Originally Posted By amannamedjed: The Russians could resupply Crimea over the Azov Sea using boats and ships. They actually have a history if this when they resupplied Leningrad over Lake Ladoga in World War II. And the population of Crimea, about 2.4 million, is less than the population of Leningrad during the war. So it is possible. Not necessarily easy. And might be impossible if Ukraine interdicted the crossing fleet. View Quote They historically have been able to do lots of things. If thy cant handle transloading trains to trucks and moving supplies 50 miles, it is highly doubtful they could supply 2 million people with life support, along with supplying an army. If they could, (but they cant) the stockpiles on wharves and docks on both ends will be a shooting gallery. Assuming if they could move stuff by ship, that in Crimea right now they have enough trucks to trans-ship it. If they could do it, and had thought of how to do it, theyd still have to deal with HIMARS. |
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