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Posted: 9/23/2022 7:49:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I agree. The craziness that led to Russian dysfunctional culture is in human nature everywhere. Russians dont lack a chromosome or function with sub 80 IQ. They simply tried communism. Hard. America, at least until recently, has been a freak anomaly of selfless individualism. But the normal status quo of human existence is closer to Russia then to the USA. And we are trying to kill ourselves. Bolshevism and its consequences certainly play a role in Russia's horrendous culture and governance today, to be sure. However, it isn't just limited to that. A lot of it boils down to the fact that the Russians didn't experience the enlightenment reforms and the industrial revolution to nearly the same extent that Western Europe did. While Western Europe was industrializing and liberalizing politically, Russia was still under repressive Tsarist rule and tons of Russians were still living as serfs. Then Bolshevism happened and pretty much destroyed any chance Russia had at joining the Western world. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 7:51:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: High explosives are propelling the BBs. It’s probably classified what explosive they use, but HP explodes anywhere from 4,000 fps to 8,000 fps. practically every .mil HE is a blend of RDX, HMX, TNT, and/or PETN plus a stabilizer/plasticizer. there are some special use cases like Octanitrocubane, but the big four above pretty much cover the waterfront in current munitions. the RE factor and the detonation velocity of a host of explosive compounds are detailed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent#Relative_effectiveness_factor and as you can see from that data, the detonation velocity of even the “slow stuff” is much greater than your estimate above. RDX compounds in particular are widely used in military applications due to high RE factor combined with high insensitivity and long shelf life. examples in military use are here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymer-bonded_explosive#Some_example_PBXs at least one of the HIMARS MLRS missile types uses PBXN-109 HE, which is RDX plus an aluminum binder. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 7:53:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Featureless: Nope. I'm not sure we can fully depend on majority votes in the Security Council. It was set up for veto by the permanent members for a reason. Permanent members: China, France, Russia, United Kingdom, United States Non-permanent members: Albania, Brazil, Gabon, Ghana, India, Ireland, Kenya, Mexico, Norway, United Arab Emirates. When you look at the make up and voting tendencies of the UN as a whole and some of it's committees, we don't want "democracy" at work there. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Featureless: Originally Posted By stgdz: I'm for this, it would have saved us from iraq Nope. I'm not sure we can fully depend on majority votes in the Security Council. It was set up for veto by the permanent members for a reason. Permanent members: China, France, Russia, United Kingdom, United States Non-permanent members: Albania, Brazil, Gabon, Ghana, India, Ireland, Kenya, Mexico, Norway, United Arab Emirates. When you look at the make up and voting tendencies of the UN as a whole and some of it's committees, we don't want "democracy" at work there. If they were smart, they'd say the because the RU seat is actually the USSR seat, UNSC membership for that seat will rotate through former USSR states (like for non permanent UNSC seats). Entirely fair, and still retains USSR with permanent seat and veto power (just more fairly distributed and RU only gets to dickwave every few years). |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 7:58:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I agree. The craziness that led to Russian dysfunctional culture is in human nature everywhere. Russians dont lack a chromosome or function with sub 80 IQ. They simply tried communism. Hard. America, at least until recently, has been a freak anomaly of selfless individualism. But the normal status quo of human existence is closer to Russia then to the USA. And we are trying to kill ourselves. Russia always had dysfunctional culture. The US inherited a well behaved culture as an English colony. Our early colonization was at the right time, it was the 1600s and 1700s when English culture was becoming well behaved. But, culture always changes, so what we have won't last forever. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:01:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: YaNi05]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BustinCaps: It's not easy, lol. I'm doing the same thing as you, but less quickly. I'm really trying to grasp the alphabet flawlessly and repeating the sections until I'm not translating in my head. I wish I had a local group of cool anti-communist Ukrainians to hang with and learn from. Immersion would get me way further at this point. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BustinCaps: Originally Posted By SkiShooter: Originally Posted By CenterMass762: Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By sq40: Thank you! Any other major city/oblast pronunciations that westerners get wrong? I don't want to misspeak again. Ya Kharkiv. Same thing, K is silent. That's about all I can think of. I'm sure someone else will chime in with some others. Thank you. Now I need to learn the alphabet. Hell, I might learn Ukrainian on one of those apps. It may come in handy one day. Duolingo is a pretty good app. I am about 4 months and 2/3 of the way through Duolngo's Ukrainian lessons. I am learning words and phrases and probably know enough to get by as a tourist. Learning the grammar has been a challenge. I am supplementing it with resources and podcasts through Ukrainian.Lessons.com. The opportunity to practice with native speakers is critical to becoming fluent. It's not easy, lol. I'm doing the same thing as you, but less quickly. I'm really trying to grasp the alphabet flawlessly and repeating the sections until I'm not translating in my head. I wish I had a local group of cool anti-communist Ukrainians to hang with and learn from. Immersion would get me way further at this point. I decided to start learning Russia during Covid, thinking it may come in handy in the future... and here we are! The Duolingo Russian course is much more polished than the Ukrainian course. The main issue I find with it is that you never learn the rules of the grammatical structure or the real definition of words(like which 'here' to use, sorry don't know why I can't type in Cyrillic on ARFCOM). So you need to recognize when there's multiple words with similar meanings or phonetic rules or grammatical rules you don't understand and go outside of Duolingo and figure out why. The Russian has made Ukrainian a bit quicker to learn. It's about as similar as it is different. Significantly different vocabulary, but sentence structure is pretty similar. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:03:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdXlIeYXwB06fxb?format=png&name=medium JSC? OJSC? |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:03:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: Some speculate that is the angle here. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: Originally Posted By sq40: Wonder what would happen if all of the referendums failed for Putin? Would that give him an out? Some speculate that is the angle here. Would allow them to hold onto dnr, lnr, and Crimea with threat of nukes if Ukraine keeps attacking |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:11:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Francisco_dAnconia: JSC? OJSC? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Francisco_dAnconia: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdXlIeYXwB06fxb?format=png&name=medium JSC? OJSC? Possibly workers at those places being conscripted. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSC_Russian_Machines https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_joint-stock_company |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:11:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:14:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Possibly workers at those places being conscripted. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSC_Russian_Machines https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_joint-stock_company Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Francisco_dAnconia: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdXlIeYXwB06fxb?format=png&name=medium JSC? OJSC? Possibly workers at those places being conscripted. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSC_Russian_Machines https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_joint-stock_company Many JSCs and OJSCs are heavily involved In Russia’s military-industrial complex and are targets of sanctions |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:17:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: I don't think that Biden decides anything. He is doing what he is getting told. I'd really like to know what the plan is. Ukraine is chewing up russian troops. If putin gets the idea he is going to lose this, he is going to launch a tactical nuke on the battlefield. Then what? Biden has issued a very stern warning. What could we possibly do to russia now without actually shooting at them with american forces? If we do that, it's war. Are we ready to get into an actual war with russia after they have proven they will use nukes? I'm sure everybody is hoping somebody inside russia is going to remove or kill him. Or russia will revolt. We better not depend on that. People already said putin would not use national mobilization. He's doing it while calling it something else. And the second he made the announcement, agents with lists were going door to door handing out notices for people to show up. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:20:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: Is that a joke? The Russians determined the outcome of this referendum long before it ever began. There is no “referendum.” It is a complete, total, 100% farce. They are going door to door with two AK 74 armed soldiers and a CLEAR ballot box and handing the person the ballot to fill out, how do you think they are going to vote? That is if they don’t want to end up in a shallow unmarked grave how are they going to vote? 100% FARCE |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:29:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Man what kinda worries me is potential mobilization of all Ukrainian men. They already can’t leave Ukraine but haven’t been sent all to fight Putyas orcs. Now that he’s throwing more men, Ukraine will be forced to do the same. It’s worrisome for me because I have a ton of cousins in Ukraine.  The plan is to raise a million man army. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:30:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CPT_CAVEMAN]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: I'd really like to know what the plan is. Ukraine is chewing up russian troops. If putin gets the idea he is going to lose this, he is going to launch a tactical nuke on the battlefield. Then what? Biden has issued a very stern warning. What could we possibly do to russia now without actually shooting at them with american forces? If we do that, it's war. Are we ready to get into an actual war with russia after they have proven they will use nukes? I'm sure everybody is hoping somebody inside russia is going to remove or kill him. Or russia will revolt. We better not depend on that. People already said putin would not use national mobilization. He's doing it while calling it something else. And the second he made the announcement, agents with lists were going door to door handing out notices for people to show up. Biden isn't doing shit. The opposite of what he says seems to happen |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:43:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: Kind of like Kharkiv is actually pronounced without the K sound (Har-Keev). I would really love to learn to speak the Ukrainian language. I was actually amazed when I first discovered that Russian/Ukrainian language with the Cyrillic alphabet actually contains sounds that fit in-between English letters. I mean, when I heard that you guys have a sound that fits between G and H, my mind was completely blown. The Spanish language Osint accounts I follow use Jerson and Jarkiv, so no K sound. I've been learning a little Ukrainian since this has started to read some accounts and get a feel for it. It's different. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:43:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Biden isn't doing shit. The opposite of what he ccx says seems to happen He keeps running his mouth and the whitehouse has to immediately come out and "clarify" what biden says. They aren't bothering to read him in on what the grownups are doing, their figure head isn't that important. Good 'ol Uncle Joe. But america is really, really good at war. And smart people are deciding what happens next. Somebody is deciding what happens when putin uses a tactical nuke. I expect this whole thing is causing all of europe to be scared to death. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:48:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: The entire world needs to adopt a term that is even more hostile about the fake/bullshit/illegal/criminal referendums but I guess "sham referendum" is good enough. The entire planet should call them "sham referendum" every single time and immediately disregard them as though nobody ever took them seriously. This whole thing just pisses me off. Shamerendum sounds about right. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:49:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: panthermark]
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Remember M*A*S*H?
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USA
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:49:59 PM EDT
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Trés riche. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:52:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
Trés riche.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:56:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Trés riche. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/476-342.gif If the Russian economy is shrugging off sanctions so well, and there is no threat of conscription, what is he doing hanging out in Canada? 
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:58:55 PM EDT
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I guess Russia isn't satisfied with suffering as many KIA as we experienced in Vietnam. So I suppose their goal is reaching our WWII KIA totals. That is about the only thing I can see Russia accomplishing with this stunt. They really do seem to have a knack for doubling down on stupid, don't they?
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Posted: 9/23/2022 9:06:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: Is that a joke? The Russians determined the outcome of this referendum long before it ever began. There is no “referendum.” It is a complete, total, 100% farce. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: Originally Posted By sq40: Wonder what would happen if all of the referendums failed for Putin? Would that give him an out? Is that a joke? The Russians determined the outcome of this referendum long before it ever began. There is no “referendum.” It is a complete, total, 100% farce. We know it’s completely rigged. Just speculating that Putin could rig it as a loss to have a face saving out. I don’t think that will happen, but I’ve been surprised before. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2022 9:07:23 PM EDT
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The BBC exposes Russians pretending to be Ukranian sellers of NATO equipment:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-62983444 Turns out Russians use Google translate. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 9:07:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: We know it’s completely rigged. Just speculating that Putin could rig it as a loss to have a face saving out. I don’t think that will happen, but I’ve been surprised before. He's not that smart. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 9:09:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shark101au: Russia decides to use nukes, no one is going to retaliate in kind. Biden won't trade US cities for Ukraine. No need to use nukes. 72 hours of US conventional cruise missile and B2 bomber strikes over Crimea would yield a nice, easy, neutered target for UKR forces. PS: Hey Russia, have fun when the fallout hits Turkey. They are sure to be amused 
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Posted: 9/23/2022 9:13:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panthermark: Shamerendum sounds about right. Not bad. Fraud-erendum. Scam-erendum. Pig shit-erendum. Yours is probably best. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 9:13:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmedKulak: And the 'o' is pronounced as in 'owned' Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmedKulak: Originally Posted By dillydilly: Yes. It's pronounced without the K. Herson. But everyone in the West says it with the K lol And the 'o' is pronounced as in 'owned'  Slap Shot - Who own the Chiefs... Ooownnzzz!!!!!  |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 9:20:54 PM EDT
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Olaf and team still can’t get on task. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 9:26:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83:
Massive movement of US troops observed in Poland Damn, they are up to something |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 9:28:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Best quote was when the official tried to equate the war in Ukraine with the Great Patriotic War, and the citizen said “that was a real war, this is politics!” Even in BFE they know this was not a defensive war for survival. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Best quote was when the official tried to equate the war in Ukraine with the Great Patriotic War, and the citizen said “that was a real war, this is politics!” Even in BFE they know this was not a defensive war for survival. Just look at that white woman telling all those Asian men to go fight and die for her agenda of greed, imperialism, and genocide. 
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Posted: 9/23/2022 9:28:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Of course, but the point is that it could give Putin an out. "Oh you don't want to be part of Russia? Ok, we killed all the Nazis so we'll go home now" Of course he won't, but it's a hypothetical "out"...one he won't take. He hasn't looked for an out, wouldn't take one if he found it. He will be sitting in the wreckage making engine sounds long after the wheels have come off and the transmission blew up. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 9:38:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lightning_P38: He has always had an "out". He could have chose to not invade a neighbor, he could tell the troops to pack up and come home, he could tell them to surrender and beg for mercy. He hasn't looked for an out, wouldn't take one if he found it. He will be sitting in the wreckage making engine sounds long after the wheels have come off and the transmission blew up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lightning_P38: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Of course, but the point is that it could give Putin an out. "Oh you don't want to be part of Russia? Ok, we killed all the Nazis so we'll go home now" Of course he won't, but it's a hypothetical "out"...one he won't take. He hasn't looked for an out, wouldn't take one if he found it. He will be sitting in the wreckage making engine sounds long after the wheels have come off and the transmission blew up. Agree with all of course. Just saying it's one more out if he wanted it, which he doesn't. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 9:40:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: If my job was to destabilize Russia I'd mail mobilization summons to another million guys at random. Judo move. Use their own momentum against themselves. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 9:40:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: They are going door to door with two AK 74 armed soldiers and a CLEAR ballot box and handing the person the ballot to fill out, how do you think they are going to vote? That is if they don’t want to end up in a shallow unmarked grave how are they going to vote? 100% FARCE Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: Originally Posted By Dominion21: Is that a joke? The Russians determined the outcome of this referendum long before it ever began. There is no “referendum.” It is a complete, total, 100% farce. They are going door to door with two AK 74 armed soldiers and a CLEAR ballot box and handing the person the ballot to fill out, how do you think they are going to vote? That is if they don’t want to end up in a shallow unmarked grave how are they going to vote? 100% FARCE Yep and the ones that vote no get shipped off to filtration camps. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 9:40:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Francisco_dAnconia: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdXlIeYXwB06fxb?format=png&name=medium JSC? OJSC? Possibly workers at those places being conscripted. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSC_Russian_Machines https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_joint-stock_company Many JSCs and OJSCs are heavily involved In Russia’s military-industrial complex and are targets of sanctions |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 9:42:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Chaingun]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Ya Kharkiv. Same thing, K is silent. That's about all I can think of. I'm sure someone else will chime in with some others. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By sq40: Thank you! Any other major city/oblast pronunciations that westerners get wrong? I don't want to misspeak again. Ya Kharkiv. Same thing, K is silent. That's about all I can think of. I'm sure someone else will chime in with some others. Many words with K in English are silent, because they are from other languages https://ginsengenglish.com/blog/silent-k-words English is the bastard language  |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 9:44:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: Once you've overthrown a government in a revolution, you try VERY HARD to make sure that nobody can ever overthrow YOUR new government in a revolution.* The Bolsheviks understood this very well, and people like Lenin and Stalin were brutally effective in implementing that mindset. (* - for an exception, see the U.S. Constitution  )Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By Weasel_Master: Originally Posted By PvtCowboy: "Not all Russians" Okay. I know a handful of people in Russia, and not one I know supports it. I had dinner with a friend of mine who's whole family is in Russia. They are scared with the mobilization of the 300k and what's to come after. That's awesome. Maybe that entire family and 100,000,000 other Russians should stand up and do something about it. Take their country back. Youre 100% correct. But you also have to understand the Russian way of viewing the world. Their government sucks and they know it. They KNOW it will NEVER change no matter what they do. That's what their history has taught them. You stand up, you go to gulag. Most have not read Soltzinitzen (sp). Now, we could explain to them that nobody could stop a million Russians from overthrowing Putin but they would probably respond with "yeah then someone even worse will come". I'm not excusing it, but this is just the way it is. That said, there's a still a limit I suppose. No idea where it's at though. Once you've overthrown a government in a revolution, you try VERY HARD to make sure that nobody can ever overthrow YOUR new government in a revolution.* The Bolsheviks understood this very well, and people like Lenin and Stalin were brutally effective in implementing that mindset. (* - for an exception, see the U.S. Constitution )In a way, men like Putin are just a continuation of that revolution in Russia even if not so overtly ideological. As for the U.S., well, "revolution" is being used in its older sense there, where it had a more conservative meaning closer to its etymological origins, where you come around full circle to where you were supposed to have been in the first place (or at least that s the objective), which fits the description of what occurred in America fairly well (as well as in other countries, especially pre-1789). With the Russians, it has its more recent, radical connotation, which is basically the overthrow of the system, often in the name of novel or radical ideas, in the vein of the French Revolution, the first major event of this type, which also provided the ideological basis for later revolutions of this sort like that in Russia. Being KGB, I don't think Putin ever outgrew socialist ideology outside of swapping internationalism for nationalism. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 9:48:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: They only use small burst when hunting drones, 8 to 12 rounds, the BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT videos aren't showing the normal use of the Gepard. And the Germans delivered more ammo earlier, 53k plus 4k training ammo. 2,1k per vehicle with the latest delivery, not much but better than nothing. The Swiss are blocking more ammo, the German Army had no more ammo because the Gepard was decommissioned years ago. They need an shotgun type ammo that ignites so many feet out |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 9:54:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: Pellets will take out drones They need an shotgun type ammo that ignites so many feet out Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: They only use small burst when hunting drones, 8 to 12 rounds, the BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT videos aren't showing the normal use of the Gepard. And the Germans delivered more ammo earlier, 53k plus 4k training ammo. 2,1k per vehicle with the latest delivery, not much but better than nothing. The Swiss are blocking more ammo, the German Army had no more ammo because the Gepard was decommissioned years ago. They need an shotgun type ammo that ignites so many feet out All the video I've seen of drones in flight made me wonder why someone hasn't reinvented the 2 gauge punt gun. Couple pounds of buckshot in a flight control type shot cup... fun for the whole family. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 9:55:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Brok3n]
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Ukraine Situation Report: Russia's Drone War Erupts Thanks To Iran
Key areas in southern Ukraine came under attack from a number of Iran-supplied Shahed-136 'kamikaze' or 'suicide' drones today. It is by far the most high-profile and concentrated use of these types of weapons by Russian forces. Video evidence also emerged in recent hours showing an Iranian Mohajer-6 medium-altitude, long-endurance (MALE) unmanned aerial vehicle being recovered from the water by Ukrainian forces, serving as the drone’s first recorded sighting on the Ukrainian battlefield. The evidence of Mohajer-6’s presence was shared by the Southern Air Command of the Ukrainian Air Force. Up until now, only Shahed-136s had been spotted in Ukraine, making it so the recent Mohajer-6 retrieval would confirm that both Iranian drones were included in deliveries from Iran to Russia that had occurred earlier this month. This matches our report on what drones would likely end up being used by Russia in Ukraine as part of a deal between Iran and Russia that had been in the works since at least July. The employment of these Iranian drones has the potential to disrupt the conflict in multiple ways.  Failed To Load Title While Ukrainian forces claim to have shot down a number of these suicide drones earlier, some did manage to get through.  Failed To Load Title These little buzz-suicide drones will now be a staple on the battlefield. They're relatively cheap and simple and the enemy will have to commit resources to counter them or absorb the blows. While our military tends to prefer sexier air weapons, I truly hope these mostly autonomous simple point a to point b devices start finding their way into our arsenal. Looks like Ukraine managed to down one of these more conventional Iranian made drones today.. awesome:
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Posted: 9/23/2022 10:05:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: HIMARS going cyclic. Full semi auto! |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 10:05:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
Russia can literally just go back to their hole and not be part civilization… |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2022 10:21:07 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ContraHQ: No need to use nukes. 72 hours of US conventional cruise missile and B2 bomber strikes over Crimea would yield a nice, easy, neutered target for UKR forces. PS: Hey Russia, have fun when the fallout hits Turkey. They are sure to be amused I'm sure. But what is Russia's nuke forces doing while NATO is destroying their forces in Crimea? What happens if/when they drop another nuke? How about they drop several? What do we do then? We are assuming that Russia will be so impressed by our conventional strikes on them that they will reconsider further nukes. I disagree. The more effective and devastating our conventional strikes, the more likely Russia uses more nukes. If we get word that RU has moved some nukes from stores, it's time to relocate to the Falkland Islands or maybe Greenland. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 10:34:35 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: I don't think that Biden decides anything. He is doing what he is getting told. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By shark101au: Russia decides to use nukes, no one is going to retaliate in kind. Biden won't trade US cities for Ukraine. I don't think that Biden decides anything. He is doing what he is getting told. This. He was incompetent during his prime. I am curious how this scenario has been war gamed by the military in the past. |
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USA
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Posted: 9/23/2022 10:40:59 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: Some speculate that is the angle here. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: Originally Posted By sq40: Wonder what would happen if all of the referendums failed for Putin? Would that give him an out? Some speculate that is the angle here. Well holy shit . . . Had not thought of that angle. Wouldn’t that be some crazy, 4-D chess? The ultimate Russian “pretzel logic.” My American mind is just too logical to anticipate or believe it. But, I’ve been shocked and amazed at Putin’s delusions and massive miscalculations so far. So anything’s possible at this point I guess. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 10:42:47 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdWPemdXwAMbQsk?format=jpg&name=large Surrender is an option. If you're concerned about getting shot for walking away to the rear. Both are options for people who decide they don't want to be there anymore. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 10:44:07 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Biden isn't doing shit. The opposite of what he says seems to happen Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By stone-age: I'd really like to know what the plan is. Ukraine is chewing up russian troops. If putin gets the idea he is going to lose this, he is going to launch a tactical nuke on the battlefield. Then what? Biden has issued a very stern warning. What could we possibly do to russia now without actually shooting at them with american forces? If we do that, it's war. Are we ready to get into an actual war with russia after they have proven they will use nukes? I'm sure everybody is hoping somebody inside russia is going to remove or kill him. Or russia will revolt. We better not depend on that. People already said putin would not use national mobilization. He's doing it while calling it something else. And the second he made the announcement, agents with lists were going door to door handing out notices for people to show up. Biden isn't doing shit. The opposite of what he says seems to happen Not to mention the WH openly refuting him almost on a weekly basis. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 10:49:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/23/2022 10:49:29 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panthermark: Shamerendum sounds about right. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panthermark: Originally Posted By stone-age: The entire world needs to adopt a term that is even more hostile about the fake/bullshit/illegal/criminal referendums but I guess "sham referendum" is good enough. The entire planet should call them "sham referendum" every single time and immediately disregard them as though nobody ever took them seriously. This whole thing just pisses me off. Shamerendum sounds about right. These are the types of elections that Jimmy Carter used to observe and rubber stamp as legitimate. |
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