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Now let's talk about Kherson in more detail. Let's start with the good news, if that's the case at all in the current situation. The withdrawal of troops was prepared and planned in advance (unlike the emergency retreat in the Kharkov region), so there is reason to believe that the units are leaving in an organized manner, along with their standard equipment and weapons. Separate positions are blown up, others are mined, roads and fields are also mined, rearguards are left. All this will significantly complicate the advance of the enemy and his attempts to disrupt the operation. Most likely, there will not be so many abandoned vehicles, mostly they will turn out to be faulty vehicles at the time of the exit or broken down during the march. However, against this background of the planned event, one main question arises. Why was it necessary to hold a referendum and join the region to Russia, if the objective military situation in the Kherson region had already developed in an extremely unfavorable way at that time? The main supply routes across the Dnieper were destroyed, ferry crossings were under constant fire and still could not provide even a tenth of the required supply. The archaic logistics system of the RF Armed Forces (which we talked about) with a long time to complete each operation, centralization of warehouses, an insufficient number of high-precision weapons, as well as weak interaction between intelligence and artillery and constant coordination, created the need for thousands of tons of ammunition to be used as " fire bar." It was not possible even then to provide the necessary volume of supplies of ammunition, equipment and replenishment for the grouping in Kherson. A certain optimism was inspired by the partial mobilization, in terms of replenishing the units fighting in Kherson, which gave hope for a change in the situation and at least somehow justified the annexation of the region, which every day became more and more difficult to keep. However, the hopes were not justified. A vicious circle ensued, in which it was impossible to carry out a decisive offensive operation to push back the firepower of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the logistical arteries of Kherson precisely because of the inability to saturate the potential strike force with sufficient amounts of ammunition, fuel and ensure their rotation, since the main crossings had already been disabled , and the backup ones could not even cope with the current needs. What happens to the advancing units with a lack of artillery can be seen in the example of the situation near Pavlovka. Summarizing what has been said: since the end of the summer, the developing situation on the right bank of Kherson dictated the need to withdraw the group. However, it is now obvious that either they did not report on this once again, or they reported, but did not want to listen. Therefore, at first a political decision was made to annex the region, a month after which a military decision had to be made to leave it. The law on the admission of the Kherson region to Russia was signed on October 4 (published on the 5th), and already on October 18, Sergey Surovikin publicly announced the possibility of making difficult decisions on Kherson. And yesterday, November 9, the decision to leave was announced. @milinfolive https://t.me/milinfolive/93118 In addition to the usual irresolvable irresponsibility and lack of initiative that have long struck the army, there are also other reasons for abandoning equipment. For example, the loss of cars on the march. Alas, no one will stop the convoy and wait until one car is unloaded, burned and blown up. At any moment, an enemy drone may appear and hit the entire standing column at once. The next reason is the presence of many faulty and damaged pieces of equipment, of which a lot has accumulated over the months of fighting, but it has not been massively evacuated and not repaired due to a series of logistical problems. Another reason that is typical for some units in the Kherson region is the order to withdraw at the very last moment. Until the very end, individual commanders on the ground had no idea what was happening and what would happen, so positions and equipment were not prepared for withdrawal. For example, one of the divisions of the National Guard stationed in Kherson had to leave part of the equipment and property in this way. As for the logs of warfare, they will always write back what is needed there: equipment and property were lost in an unequal battle. And already wrote. @milinfolive https://t.me/milinfolive/93121 The RF Armed Forces have completely withdrawn their forces from the right bank of the Dnieper River. As soon as our guys left, the Antonovsky bridge and the bridge to the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station were immediately blown up. The railway bridge, which is located next to Antonovsky, was also destroyed. The situation and the situation is getting worse. Archangel of the Special Forces. Subscribe. https://t.me/rusich_army/6286 |
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
Baldassare Castiglione |
This looks almost too recent.
The channels are actively posting this video with the allegedly final blowing up of the Antonovsky bridge. The military commanders of the Russian Federation describe this incident in hysterics on their channels. At the same time, eyewitnesses say that the bridge is still standing. Although there were arrivals along it and nearby all night. We are waiting for information from the General Staff. https://t.me/hueviyherson/28707 It is BONKERS out there. A helicopter of the Kadyrov tik-tokers fell in the Dniprovka region near Energodar. According to available data, the Mi-8 helicopter was supposed to deliver injured Chechens yesterday as a medical aircraft, but someone on board decided to smoke. So, 12 (300) Chechens turned into 200(s) with a pilot in addition. The so-called head of the department of culture and sports:clown_face: We are waiting for clarification. We were told that the car had previously been blown up on N.M. According to rumors, Andrey Boyk was blown up, on Interkulturnaya 398 Information is being checked and specified. The Kyiv authorities have concentrated over 5 thousand Polish mercenaries in the Zaporozhye direction, Rogov told RIA Novosti https://t.me/rian_ru/185041 Kherson front - military analytics of the Ukrainian side An interesting look at the situation from the Ukrainian military propaganda, we remove 5% of nonsense (it does not change the essence) and leave the main conclusions. Kherson is already in the zone of operation of the Ukrainian cannon artillery. The nearest Ukrainian reconnaissance patrols reached the line less than 18 km from the city (at night, the Ukrainians denied Sharikovs' fake guns about the encirclement of Kherson and the battles in the city). The crossing area is under fire. It will be possible to evaluate the effectiveness, accuracy and density of destruction only after the city has been occupied. The advance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is hindered primarily by dense minefields, the Russians used multi-layer mining, booby traps, there are a lot of mines. The RF Armed Forces left cover detachments, which are retreating towards the Dnieper after fire contact, without persisting in battles (of course, the order is not to stand to death, but to delay the enemy a little, not allowing the Armed Forces to relax and controlling the speed of their approach, - approx.R.V.). Mines do not allow the Armed Forces to quickly turn around for attacks. The massive withdrawal of Russian troops to the left bank of the Dnieper continues at night. We should not forget that the Armed Forces of Ukraine were advancing on the enemy, which outnumbered heavy military equipment and ammunition, the Russian army had a lot of time to prepare for the withdrawal. https://t.me/RVvoenkor/31589 |
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
Baldassare Castiglione |
Originally Posted By jungatheart: Tomorrows kill total is gonna make up some for our election results. Russia expected the mobnicks to stay and get killed as rear guards. Sure. It must be pure chaos and pandemonium at the river crossings. Are any Russians in command thinking at all? I really don't understand this. Unless Russia is gonna set off a nuke, what's happening is total incompetence. Even a crazy person like Putin wouldn't knowingly let this happen. View Quote Yeah, if that was their plan it was fucking stupid. Their experienced troops may have been enough to let the whole force to withdraw in good order, especially if they withdrew in stages while shortening their lines. But it looks like they expected their mobiks to accomplish the impossible. They may end up losing more of the experienced troops which the mobiks were supposed to be preserving with their sacrifice, than they would’ve if they’d just fought a straight withdrawal. I guess we’ll see. |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
View Quote Can you just imagine what a small team could do here? Fall in with the retreating russians at night, slip away when you find a good observation point. Then call in arty. Good fucking luck finding spotters in this chaos. Or just start sniping dudes with nightvision. A few good spect ops teams could create absolute mayhem in this situation. |
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Originally Posted By Dominion21: While not agreeing with the Russian mind-set, what you posted is the exact motivation for Russian aggression. They are historically paranoid about land invasions, going back centuries. They fail to understand ICBMs changed everything. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Dominion21: Originally Posted By johnh57: Flew the border between there and Russia on Google earth. Whole region looks to be primarily flat farmlands. There are few, if any, natural borders along that entire frontier. Ukraine has a monumental task to create anything close to border security along that border. While not agreeing with the Russian mind-set, what you posted is the exact motivation for Russian aggression. They are historically paranoid about land invasions, going back centuries. They fail to understand ICBMs changed everything. No, they understand that perfectly well. However that excuse makes an excellent pretext for invading their neighbors, so they are perfectly happy to continue using it. |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
View Quote Standard Solovyov. Still scapegoating individuals for issues that are endemic to Russian culture, still not a word about whether the whole justification for invasion and genocide was all bullshit from top to bottom. I feel sympathy for the average Russians getting shot to pieces in Kherson tonight. They are suffering the consequences of their actions, but I still sympathize. This motherfucker deserves to swing and I will absolutely take satisfaction when justice is done. Son of a bitch led tens of thousands - maybe hundreds of thousands - to their deaths and helped wreck both Ukraine and his own country. I wouldn't have that man’s crimes on my soul for anything on earth. |
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Originally Posted By Capta: No, they understand that perfectly well. However that excuse makes an excellent pretext for invading their neighbors, so they are perfectly happy to continue using it. View Quote LoL, yes they understand it perfectly well. It’s why they broke all relations with the west from 1945 onward to steal and develop the tech. And it’s that exact Cold War shadow the KGB operatives who run the country labor beneath. It’s like 1990 never happened. This is a desperate attempt to reset the clock to 1970 so they can just go back to the world they are comfortable with. In a sense, Putin is the ultimate Boomer. Nothing to dispute Capta’s clear analysis - just expand it. The best way to think of this overall is that it’s a complete re-set to mid/late Cold War confrontation. Putin is stuck there and has surrounded himself w/yes men who agree. Applying Cold War doctrine, with revised boundaries, is the best way to interpret all this, as well as defeat him. |
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
Baldassare Castiglione |
Originally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhO_Vu9X0AAbpyP?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhOiN4gXEBsdAFQ?format=png&name=900x900 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhOiN9oXkAAWhrP?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhOiOA4XoAAnxWz?format=jpg&name=900x900 View Quote The pirate style flag is pretty cool! |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: The next few days...
View Quote I know there’s a lot of work to still be done in Ukraine and I take nothing for granted. But we’re watching history. This is the final end of the Russian Empire. Or at least the beginning of the end. This is the end, or at least the beginning of the end, of Putin. There is no way he can sweep this under the rug. Even the Kharkiv offensive was mostly just some vague territory changing hands. This is a large Russian force getting absolutely smashed and being driven out of their biggest conquest of the war. This is the same territory they just annexed as “Russian forever” and threatened nuclear war over. Ukraine (and NATO) called the Russian bluff. Now we get to see if it was a bluff. I believe it was. Tomorrow, Russians will wake up and see what 155s did to their sons - poor suckers who were essentially killed by their own government for a despicable, genocidal, totally unnecessary war. There will be consequences for this in Russia. If there are any men of honor left in the upper ranks of the Russian army, for God’s sake do what you have to do. And a final thought for our own internal quislings who shall remain nameless. I won’t over-estimate how prevalent they are because I know many are paid trolls or even bots. That’s the reality of online discourse today. But for the select few real American quislings in GD and elsewhere - you couldn’t admit you got suckered by America’s mortal enemy using domestic political hatreds, so you went all-in to sentence 44 million people to slavery or death. You are accountable, and I truly hope you re-evaluate yourselves before its too late. |
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Originally Posted By Capta: And a final thought for our own internal quislings who shall remain nameless. I won’t over-estimate how prevalent they are because I know many are paid trolls or even bots. That’s the reality of online discourse today. But for the select few real American quislings in GD and elsewhere - you couldn’t admit you got suckered by America’s mortal enemy using domestic political hatreds, so you went all-in to sentence 44 million people to slavery or death. You are accountable, and I truly hope you re-evaluate yourselves before its too late. View Quote Well said. |
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
Baldassare Castiglione |
Originally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: Every time I start to pity them I remember the infant they raped to death while filming it. Then I get back to hoping someone brought marshmallows to the pyre. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: Originally Posted By jungatheart: Originally Posted By thehun06: I surely do hope there are some decent people left in the Russian government and make Putin answer for all of this nonsense...that said...all the officers and elected officials who Ok'd Ukraine needs to be held to justice criminally by the international court...round them up...throw them in the gulag...all the senseless deaths do make my heart ache...for real... Senseless and meaningless at least on the Russian side. I go back and forth from slaughter them all to pity. War sucks. Every time I start to pity them I remember the infant they raped to death while filming it. Then I get back to hoping someone brought marshmallows to the pyre. I get it and it’s hard not to agree. Yes, justice is being done and justice is harsh. But I think the most important thing coming out of this war is change within Russia, at least in the long-term. Crushing defeat and, unfortunately, a whole lot of dead men are probably the only way Russia will ever change and move forward. |
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Night crew checking in.
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Originally Posted By m35ben: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGPe9LN7vJo View Quote Yeah, funny. This fucking cunt has led thousands of poor schmoes to their deaths. |
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Originally Posted By catu_rix68: It bears some comprehension, that this world is in material communication with the rest of the universe. Evidence for life being widespread and common grows stronger. Even staying within known physics, someone need only have gotten here, anywhere in this galaxy a million years before us to have spread across its entirety. How many billions of years old do the currently fashionable cosmologies posit the universe is? What if someone got here several billion before us? What could this conflict mean to them? If indeed galactic civilization is mostly heterogeneous and varied, and I believe it likely is across genetic, cultural, technological, astrophysical, organizational, and other lines, what portion among them would take an interest in us and why? View Quote Attached File |
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Starting to see what Russia has been doing all night while their soldiers fight to flee. Bomb cities. What a surprise. |
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Originally Posted By ad_nauseam: Yeah I expect it to last a few more years. At best, the pre-2022 borders could be restored in late 2023 but to restore the pre-2014 borders, that could take 5 years. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ad_nauseam: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: I still think the war is going to go on for a while, especially if Ukraine wants to push the Russians back to the pre-2014 boundaries (which I think they can and should). There's still a lot of fighting to be done to take back the rest of the south/Donbas and especially Crimea, which I think the Russians will fight tooth and nail for. The Ukrainians are going to win provided Western support continues, but the I think the Putin regime can and will throw bodies at them for quite some time still. That being said, I do concur that Russia's chances at coming away with ANYTHING resembling a victory are dying in Kherson. Yeah I expect it to last a few more years. At best, the pre-2022 borders could be restored in late 2023 but to restore the pre-2014 borders, that could take 5 years. Hard to say how long it will take, but probably not 5 years. Whatever Russian propaganda says, Russia is in a dire fucking situation and there’s no way they can last 5 years against Ukraine with NATO continuing to supply them. Which they will. The Russians can keep sending totally untrained mobiks to the slaughter, and Ukraine can keep slaughtering them. At some point the Russian army will collapse and/or mutiny. Within 5 years Russia will probably have a lot more to worry about that Ukraine. |
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Originally Posted By PMB1086: Night crew checking in. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/165723/FhRQZfiXEAAr08q_jpeg-2595883.JPG View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Capta: Hard to say how long it will take, but probably not 5 years. Whatever Russian propaganda says, Russia is in a dire fucking situation and there’s no way they can last 5 years against Ukraine with NATO continuing to supply them. Which they will. The Russians can keep sending totally untrained mobiks to the slaughter, and Ukraine can keep slaughtering them. At some point the Russian army will collapse and/or mutiny. Within 5 years Russia will probably have a lot more to worry about that Ukraine. View Quote Between the shut down of technology transfer, increasing pressure against exports, currency limits, etc. - Russia can’t last a year w/o revolt or breakdown. This isn’t like 1914 where economies where somewhat resilient. It will be over within a year. |
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
Baldassare Castiglione |
Originally Posted By mokerr: https://i.redd.it/7yto1frsb7z91.jpg lol Russian has a mortar stuck in his shoulder. ouchies e: perhaps I'm fucking retarded, but when they say the "right" bank of the Dnipro, do they mean east or west? View Quote "There's a fuckin rocket in him sir" |
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View Quote True story here. I’m a University of Texas Longhorns season ticket holder. I skipped the Texas-Alabama game because the Kharkiv counter-offensive was going full bore on game day. I regret nothing. |
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Originally Posted By PMB1086: For the love of God, can we please not derail this thread again with arguing about the A-10. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By PMB1086: Originally Posted By Circuits: Originally Posted By KELBEAST: This is the reason the US should have transferred the A10's and helicopters to UA earlier. This is the exact moment there needs to be attack aircraft stacked up circling like vultures. What's wrong with Su-25s and Mi8/Mi17s they've already got? Su-25 can carry 30mm or 23mm cannon pods, and would do just as well in this engagement as an A-10. For the love of God, can we please not derail this thread again with arguing about the A-10. You know. The average depth of the Dnipro is around 26ft. That's more than the draft of the USS New Jersey. |
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Originally Posted By torstin: You know. The average depth of the Dnipro is around 26ft. That's more than the draft of the USS New Jersey. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By torstin: Originally Posted By PMB1086: Originally Posted By Circuits: Originally Posted By KELBEAST: This is the reason the US should have transferred the A10's and helicopters to UA earlier. This is the exact moment there needs to be attack aircraft stacked up circling like vultures. What's wrong with Su-25s and Mi8/Mi17s they've already got? Su-25 can carry 30mm or 23mm cannon pods, and would do just as well in this engagement as an A-10. For the love of God, can we please not derail this thread again with arguing about the A-10. You know. The average depth of the Dnipro is around 26ft. That's more than the draft of the USS New Jersey. New Jersey’s draft is 39 feet. |
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Gimli finds an abandoned orc position.
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
Baldassare Castiglione |
Originally Posted By Prime:
Gimli finds an abandoned orc position.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhNlyS1WAAINJdr?format=jpg&name=medium View Quote A 9 month war and her gear still looks new, impressive. Use scotchgard? |
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Originally Posted By Capta: New Jersey’s draft is 39 feet. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By torstin: Originally Posted By PMB1086: Originally Posted By Circuits: Originally Posted By KELBEAST: This is the reason the US should have transferred the A10's and helicopters to UA earlier. This is the exact moment there needs to be attack aircraft stacked up circling like vultures. What's wrong with Su-25s and Mi8/Mi17s they've already got? Su-25 can carry 30mm or 23mm cannon pods, and would do just as well in this engagement as an A-10. For the love of God, can we please not derail this thread again with arguing about the A-10. You know. The average depth of the Dnipro is around 26ft. That's more than the draft of the USS New Jersey. New Jersey’s draft is 39 feet. Oh boy, here we go…
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Originally Posted By ludder093: No restraint. Kill as many Russians as you possibly can. It's time to make a statement. View Quote To those that rape women and children, "strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger..." Show no mercy, evil must be destroyed. Failed To Load Title |
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Soldiers of the 59th OMBr named after Yakov Handziuk - 9th battalion "Vinnytsia Scythians" raised a blue-yellow flag in liberated Blagodatny, Kherson region
De-Russification
Russian Ministry of Defense: during the transfer to the left bank of the Dnieper, not a single piece of military equipment and weapons was left on the right bank, all Russian military personnel crossed over, no losses of personnel, weapons, equipment and materiel of the Russian group were allowed https://t.me/rian_ru/185093 |
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
Baldassare Castiglione |
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Russian soldier: I need a disguise so no one knows I'm Russian...
*puts on tracksuit*
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Originally Posted By jungatheart: Tomorrows kill total is gonna make up some for our election results. Russia expected the mobnicks to stay and get killed as rear guards. Sure. It must be pure chaos and pandemonium at the river crossings. Are any Russians in command thinking at all? I really don't understand this. Unless Russia is gonna set off a nuke, what's happening is total incompetence. Even a crazy person like Putin wouldn't knowingly let this happen. View Quote Any sane government would have at least negotiated a cease fire in the region in exchange for a withdrawal from the city. |
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"In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity." -Hunter S. Thompson
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
Baldassare Castiglione |
Originally Posted By Zam18th: Russian soldier: I need a disguise so no one knows I'm Russian... *puts on tracksuit*
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhRyLi5WQAEqgEx?format=jpg&name=large View Quote Tell me you are Russian without telling me you are Russian. |
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Originally Posted By sq40: Any sane government would have at least negotiated a cease fire in the region in exchange for a withdrawal from the city. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy: Drone drop I haven't seen before. View Quote If only he had a cover over his hole like his smarter neighbor had. At least he pre dug his own grave. |
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
Baldassare Castiglione |
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
Baldassare Castiglione |
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: A 9 month war and her gear still looks new, impressive. Use scotchgard? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By Prime:
Gimli finds an abandoned orc position.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhNlyS1WAAINJdr?format=jpg&name=medium A 9 month war and her gear still looks new, impressive. Use scotchgard? shes been fighting since day one? shes frontline? or rear guard doing paper work? |
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Only God will judge me.
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As hellish the battle has been in Bakhmut lately its only about to get much worse, the Russians that retreated from Kherson are heading that way. Hope Ukraine is ready for that onslaught
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Only God will judge me.
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Originally Posted By Prime:
View Quote That’s a change of pace. Normally the wives don't give a fuck about their men. Only the babushkas care about their boys. |
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"In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity." -Hunter S. Thompson
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The right bank is almost fully liberated. |
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Originally Posted By AROKIE: As hellish the battle has been in Bakhmut lately its only about to get much worse, the Russians that retreated from Kherson are heading that way. Hope Ukraine is ready for that onslaught View Quote It is also likely the Russian units retreating aren't going to be all that well equipped and the Ukrainians are still carrying their shields? |
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