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Posted: 2/25/2022 8:58:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thesilvercord:
What's Poland doing to help? Been at work all day and missed it.. Accepting refugees. |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 8:58:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Greyswandir: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9f/17/b3/9f17b3e5f8f5e11cd302ff272020d7b5.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Greyswandir: Originally Posted By thesilvercord:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/327183/25C1C1F7-FBE7-43EB-8583-456BF99C1377_jpe-2293153.JPG https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9f/17/b3/9f17b3e5f8f5e11cd302ff272020d7b5.jpg There’s a lot of “dicks out for Ukraine” going on right now on social media. Unfortunately, they need more than updated facebook cover photos. |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 8:58:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74HC: "In November 2008, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates stated that the F-22 was not relevant in post-Cold War conflicts..." This was Obama's guy, and stupid like his boss. If the US had procured near the original target amount, or to the first reduced amount of around 650 or so, the air force could easily establish a no fly zone over Ukraine airspace. This invasion would have been stopped before it started. Gates was awesome. The F-22 was his major mistake. You greatly over exaggerate the important of airpower. |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 8:59:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jimmybp: Or IFF... or someone left their blue tooth dildo on the roof... EITHER WAY... interdasting... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jimmybp: Originally Posted By thesilvercord: Russian marks for attack?
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/327183/FA2B3500-087B-4AD7-81DB-B8930719C2BD_jpe-2293141.JPG Or IFF... or someone left their blue tooth dildo on the roof... EITHER WAY... interdasting... There were posts where UKR forces were asking folks to call asap if they saw target / ir markers put around places. probably 80 pages back |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 8:59:48 PM EDT
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The most intense "booming" and flashes so far happening now in Kiev
 Russian Invasion Of Ukraine | LIVE | Situation Room | INDB | Russian Military Advancing |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 8:59:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Hardly. Seems like if the rooskies are having to barter for enough food and fuel to get to their objective, their supply lines would be pretty easy to be cut since they're pretty damn thin (obviously). Still want to know where all that stuff coming in is going. |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:00:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JustaGunNut: Doesn't look like there is a translation in the youtube comments or description unfortunately. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JustaGunNut: Doesn't look like there is a translation in the youtube comments or description unfortunately. That seemed awfully one-sided. |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:00:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistorySo awesome it needs a dupe  |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:00:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Star_Scream: Payback for Korea would be a Ukrainian American Raptor squadron sneaking in from Poland trashing IL-76s and SU-35s in the dark. |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:01:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bulldog1967: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/6755/Screen_Shot_2022-02-25_at_1_49_36_PM-2292764.png Is "Kira" Ukrainian for "Karen"? |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:01:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975:
 Words cannot describe how much I loath Russia & basically most of the governments involved right now.... |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:01:27 PM EDT
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Lots of impacts on this multistream:
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:01:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7255: Polandball is ready to roll. Anyone got that Polandball driving a tank comic handy  
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:02:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grambosc: I got the file. It's still up at Mega, which the tweet linked to. https://mega.nz/file/U3JAGRKL#fvwxJOQgODvHTKK37d5vaU3eCi8E3B5atDe1fXu_Zjs That stuff on the end isn't a tracker ID like Facebook, it's the key to decrypt the file. @Squatch Mega locked it out too Violating terms |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:02:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wcsv: It sounds like russia is holding lots of their troops and lots of armor in reserve. Could be to discourage that strategy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wcsv: Originally Posted By planemaker: Wonder what would happen if right as the rooskies get within shouting distance of the capital, all of a sudden there's a surprise counterattack that surrounds them. NATO's supplied weaponry cuts off the supply lines to the rooskies, terminates their advance, and now they're all hanging out there with nowhere to go. Can't move forward, can't retreat. Surrender is their only option. That would really frost Putin, wouldn't it? Thinking the Ukranians have been all but defeated only to get surprised and have his ass handed to him. It would be a great way of making Russia permanently lower tier. Probably unlikely but I do have to wonder where all that stuff that's been trucked in from Poland has gone to. It sounds like russia is holding lots of their troops and lots of armor in reserve. Could be to discourage that strategy. Could be. Or, they are afraid "NATO" (or maybe one or two countries on their own) is considering intervening and they are keeping those reserves right where they are for that reason. It could also be that since they don't have air superiority nor a certainty of victory, they don't want to commit anything they're not willing to lose. Would suck to know you're expendable if push came to shove. |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:02:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Parabellum08: It would not surprise me if Ukraine has lots of old goodies from WWII sitting about. They made shit loads of them. The Soviets and Russians also keep/kept a lot of old, obsolete weapons available for exactly this kind of a scenario, so it would make sense for Kyiv to do so as well. we knew about this one... what about the others? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/24/protesters-ukraine-weapons-cache-mine |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:02:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: There were posts where UKR forces were asking folks to call asap if they saw target / ir markers put around places. probably 80 pages back Yeah, I saw that, hoping its the dildo, but..... 
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:02:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/25/17/54659109-10552157-image-a-49_1645811850909.jpg A young couple joining the territorial defense fighters smile after receiving weapons and ammunition in Kiev, Ukraine, 25 February 2022 https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/25/17/54659109-10552157-image-a-49_1645811850909.jpg Now there's a photo worth far more than a thousand words. Which I'm sure is why you posted it twice. |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:02:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv: The most intense "booming" and flashes so far happening now in Kiev  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezyue6ZiIj8Two views of kiev right now.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZebYm-nenY |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:03:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GHOS7: Anyone have a source on the rus navy firing on a Japanese merchant ship? Did you say "Japanese torpedo boat"? 
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:03:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Parabellum08: Remember when the Russians lost three brand new Sukhois from the Kuznetsov’s complement in the Med during their Syrian adventure? Because the arresting system on the flight deck was down and couldn’t be repaired before the jets ran out of gas. I remember. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Parabellum08: Originally Posted By JustaGunNut: Originally Posted By Krater: Originally Posted By hondaciv: What does it say when Russia is trailering in their IFV's, not driving them in?
That they do not expect opposition and are saving wear and tear on the tracks and engines. *That they do not expect them to drive further than 10 miles without blowing a gasket. We've seen plenty of abandoned Russian vehicles with no combat damage to show that logistics and maintenance aren't exactly strengths of the Russian armed forces. Remember when the Russians lost three brand new Sukhois from the Kuznetsov’s complement in the Med during their Syrian adventure? Because the arresting system on the flight deck was down and couldn’t be repaired before the jets ran out of gas. I remember. Nah, I didn't even realize the Russians had an aircraft carrier of even shit quality operational at any point during the 21st century. Guess I shouldn't under estimate their ability to be absolute clown shoes of a nation attempting force projection too much. |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:03:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Wonder what would happen if right as the rooskies get within shouting distance of the capital, all of a sudden there's a surprise counterattack that surrounds them. NATO's supplied weaponry cuts off the supply lines to the rooskies, terminates their advance, and now they're all hanging out there with nowhere to go. Can't move forward, can't retreat. Surrender is their only option. That would really frost Putin, wouldn't it? Thinking the Ukranians have been all but defeated only to get surprised and have his ass handed to him. It would be a great way of making Russia permanently lower tier. Probably unlikely but I do have to wonder where all that stuff that's been trucked in from Poland has gone to. If reports are to be believed, the stupid fuckers are already running out of fuel and they’re still “20 miles from the capitol” They’re having to raid to local 7/11 for diesel and food I like your style though. Close the door behind them and cut off the supply lines. Trap them between major city defenses and blocks. “Now you’s can’t leave” |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:03:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mokerr: You got a warning for advocating murdering over a billion people? The oppression you must be feeling  Nah, for saying that I didn't particularly like terrorists who blow shit up for religious purposes. Don't know how you got genocide out of that.
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:03:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cpermd: I want to see the ginger beside her. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cpermd: Originally Posted By FrankyRay: Originally Posted By sq40: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/FE572052-62DA-498F-88F3-00340ED561FA_jpe-2292587.JPG Ukrainian Karen with an AK. Perfect.  I want to see the ginger beside her. I hope you like 'em heavy. And check out the angry halfling on the end.   Attached FileText from the article: Women and men hold rifles during a military drill for civilians carried out by the Movement of Veterans of Zakarpattia in the village of Siurte in western Ukraine. I think I'd rather hang with this chick. She looks a little more composed and competent (training in the city of Mariupol).  Attached FileSlava Ukraini! |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:04:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv:  It was stupid when they criticized W. It was stupid when they criticized BHO. It was stupid when they criticized DJT. And it's stupid to criticize former VP Biden for not spending every waking hour in the whitehouse. A US president (sans dementia) is ALWAYS in contact. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv: Originally Posted By 4thbreak: Biden takes a vacation.
It was stupid when they criticized W. It was stupid when they criticized BHO. It was stupid when they criticized DJT. And it's stupid to criticize former VP Biden for not spending every waking hour in the whitehouse. A US president (sans dementia) is ALWAYS in contact. When has he ever been awake in the White House? I think you need to recheck your premise |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:04:09 PM EDT
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Explosions can be seen on some of the cameras throughout Kyiv. Looks like fighting is getting closer and closer.
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:04:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jDrexler: Entirely different animal. We had to cover 300+ miles, and only lost on average 7-8 soldiers a day. The coalition was in a position to take its time and make sure to minimize losses even though we were outnumbered. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jDrexler: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By NeuroCrim: Admittedly, I was never in the military and so I can’t comment on what’s going on from an operational standpoint. However, can someone here please explain what the hell is going on? I thought Russia would have (unfortunately) packed UKR’s shit in by now. Are they holding forces back? Don’t get me wrong, I love seeing UKR fighting back, but it just seems “off” that Putin would put up this kind of embarrassment. It took the coalition 26 days to take Iraq. Be patient. Entirely different animal. We had to cover 300+ miles, and only lost on average 7-8 soldiers a day. The coalition was in a position to take its time and make sure to minimize losses even though we were outnumbered. And there was never any question of the outcome. |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:06:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By binthere: Hell of a way to die, in a crashed aircraft rather than in battle. Good for Ukraine. As a soldier, assholes like you celebrating death like this sound just like those Muslim pricks I've been fighting for the last 19 years. I'm in one of those shitholes now. Africa. Where just the other day 30+ soldiers were found dead with their own cocks stuffed in their mouths with chew marks. They'd been tortured into eating themselves before being killed. By Muslim terrorists. A fair amount of you sound just like these animals that did this. Wishing it on the Russians. They sure as shit aren't the good guys. But by your talk, you sound like the same people I have a deeper hatred for than most of you could understand. I'm all for fighting Russia. Hell, I know I'd probably die along with all your precious babies in the process in the event of a full out war. I'll kill those bastards all day long. But you guys make me sick with your talk of torture and wishes of horrible deaths on guys who have little desire to die fighting people they identify with more than I ever did with Muslims in the Middle East. The Germans did horrible things 75 years ago. The Japanese did. The Russians sure as hell did as too. This is a new era. Putin is a sick fuck. Doesn't mean soldiers, even these Russians, enjoy dying for bullshit. I've killed before. I'll do it again. But I'll damn sure do it dispassionately, efficiently, and not emotionally. I wonder why these days I ever fought at all for this country. I'd prefer to identify with mercs who fight for money and their brothers than anything else. Thats pure. There is no lie about your cause. Righteous or not. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By binthere: Originally Posted By FlyLeaf: Good,hope everyone of those fuckers slowly suffered and are enjoying hell right now Hell of a way to die, in a crashed aircraft rather than in battle. Good for Ukraine. As a soldier, assholes like you celebrating death like this sound just like those Muslim pricks I've been fighting for the last 19 years. I'm in one of those shitholes now. Africa. Where just the other day 30+ soldiers were found dead with their own cocks stuffed in their mouths with chew marks. They'd been tortured into eating themselves before being killed. By Muslim terrorists. A fair amount of you sound just like these animals that did this. Wishing it on the Russians. They sure as shit aren't the good guys. But by your talk, you sound like the same people I have a deeper hatred for than most of you could understand. I'm all for fighting Russia. Hell, I know I'd probably die along with all your precious babies in the process in the event of a full out war. I'll kill those bastards all day long. But you guys make me sick with your talk of torture and wishes of horrible deaths on guys who have little desire to die fighting people they identify with more than I ever did with Muslims in the Middle East. The Germans did horrible things 75 years ago. The Japanese did. The Russians sure as hell did as too. This is a new era. Putin is a sick fuck. Doesn't mean soldiers, even these Russians, enjoy dying for bullshit. I've killed before. I'll do it again. But I'll damn sure do it dispassionately, efficiently, and not emotionally. I wonder why these days I ever fought at all for this country. I'd prefer to identify with mercs who fight for money and their brothers than anything else. Thats pure. There is no lie about your cause. Righteous or not. Lol wut?? . Not sure what all that was trying to explain but okie doke. |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:06:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:06:48 PM EDT
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I guess I should balance a little of my Ukrainian optimism with some hard reality:
1. Multiple Ukrainian airbases have been hit with missiles or other air attacks this evening. 2. Additional missile strikes are ongoing. 3.
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5. Rob Lee is skeptical of some of the Intel Rubio has been posting. 6. Russia is continuing to destroy Ukrainian infrastructure including military supply areas, civilian power plants, and equipment. |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:07:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:07:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Lol wut?? . Not sure what all that was trying to explain but okie doke. I mean there have been weirdos fantasizing about torturing prisoners, cutting off fingers with shears, all sorts of weird creepy shit in this thread. So I kind of get his post. |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:08:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankyRay: I hope you like 'em heavy. And check out the angry halfling on the end. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/546602/UkraineArmedCivilians_01_jpg-2293157.JPG Text from the article: I think I'd rather hang with this chick. She looks a little more composed and competent (training in the city of Mariupol). https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/546602/UkraineArmedCivilians_02_jpg-2293160.JPG Slava Ukraini! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankyRay: Originally Posted By cpermd: Originally Posted By FrankyRay: Originally Posted By sq40: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/FE572052-62DA-498F-88F3-00340ED561FA_jpe-2292587.JPG Ukrainian Karen with an AK. Perfect. I want to see the ginger beside her. I hope you like 'em heavy. And check out the angry halfling on the end. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/546602/UkraineArmedCivilians_01_jpg-2293157.JPG Text from the article: Women and men hold rifles during a military drill for civilians carried out by the Movement of Veterans of Zakarpattia in the village of Siurte in western Ukraine. I think I'd rather hang with this chick. She looks a little more composed and competent (training in the city of Mariupol). https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/546602/UkraineArmedCivilians_02_jpg-2293160.JPG Slava Ukraini! I don't trust many people who close an eye while they shoot.
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:08:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRvjgGz75Wo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz0aUYZJrckThose rocket barrages seem TERRIFYING. I hope they don't start using that thermobaric one. |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:09:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:09:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:09:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Parabellum08: It would not surprise me if Ukraine has lots of old goodies from WWII sitting about. They made shit loads of them. The Soviets and Russians also keep/kept a lot of old, obsolete weapons available for exactly this kind of a scenario, so it would make sense for Kyiv to do so as well. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Parabellum08: Originally Posted By NoMoAMMO: Originally Posted By thesilvercord: More talks of gifts. Maybe the same gifts referenced by Rubio.
PPS43 is interesting. It would not surprise me if Ukraine has lots of old goodies from WWII sitting about. They made shit loads of them. The Soviets and Russians also keep/kept a lot of old, obsolete weapons available for exactly this kind of a scenario, so it would make sense for Kyiv to do so as well. At this point I’ll say that I wish all the Mosins sitting around in US homes (mine included) were in the hands of a Ukrainian citizen along with 2-440 spam cans. |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:10:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: So awesome it needs a dupe https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMdwYvwWUAQygl6?format=jpg&name=small Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMdwYvwWUAQygl6?format=jpg&name=small Don't have the words. |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:10:12 PM EDT
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To a dumb guy like myself, It looks like they're just going to slowly encircle the city with a bunch of 3rd line troops and then try to get the government to capitulate. If they don't, then they'll unleash the Kracken and wreck the place.
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:10:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RainierV: I guess I should balance a little of my Ukrainian optimism with some hard reality: 1. Multiple Ukrainian airbases have been hit with missiles or other air attacks this evening. 2. Additional missile strikes are ongoing. 3.
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5. Rob Lee is skeptical of some of the Intel Rubio has been posting. 6. Russia is continuing to destroy Ukrainian infrastructure including military supply areas, civilian power plants, and equipment. Yeah, people need to temper their enthusiasm and remember that Putin has 150,000 troops and he can wait out Ukraine just as easy. My guess is that Putin splits the country in half when this is all said and done. |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:10:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JustinHEMI04: Accepting refugees. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JustinHEMI04: Originally Posted By thesilvercord:
What's Poland doing to help? Been at work all day and missed it.. Accepting refugees. And letting resupply through. |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:10:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RainierV: I guess I should balance a little of my Ukrainian optimism with some hard reality: *SNIP* To piggyback... 
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:11:01 PM EDT
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If I was in a country like Ukraine and was being invaded by a superior force, I would choose a place or two as a Stronghold. Make it as defensible as possible. A place like the capitol city and two or three others. Then, I would let the enemy pass, draw them in close, and keep my infrastructure on the outskirts in tact. Stand them up at the gates of the fortified cities. Then, once they were stalled, I would send in small fire and maneuver teams from behind. Constantly. While they send a team out to chase one that hit, another would hit somewhere else. Day in and day out. Hopefully, there is some strategy to such little resistance from the populous in much of the country.
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:11:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:11:33 PM EDT
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A thread from someone who knows things
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:11:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Lol wut?? . Not sure what all that was trying to explain but okie doke. Never mind. I guess when I hear people cheering for torturing soldiers, or their dying a horrible death, no matter what side their on, it bothers me. My bad. Blame the politicians. |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:11:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jackal-FnM: Well Putin looks at them as throw away so... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jackal-FnM: Originally Posted By JSteensen: That's what I mean. Its not a trash incinerator. Its a crematorium. Well Putin looks at them as throw away so... Excellent new Icon. (Pic) |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:12:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74HC: "In November 2008, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates stated that the F-22 was not relevant in post-Cold War conflicts..." This was Obama's guy, and stupid like his boss. If the US had procured near the original target amount, or to the first reduced amount of around 650 or so, the air force could easily establish a no fly zone over Ukraine airspace. This invasion would have been stopped before it started. Were we going to sell them to Ukraine . . .? |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:12:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenMushroom: Proof that there's no free lunch. The girl, the krink, and the cat box are a package deal.... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenMushroom: Originally Posted By sefus: Originally Posted By bulldog1967: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/6755/Screen_Shot_2022-02-25_at_1_49_36_PM-2292764.png Oh sure, she gets a krinkov, but when I want one, nooooooo Proof that there's no free lunch. The girl, the krink, and the cat box are a package deal.... If her cat is anything like one of mine, you throw that demon spawn in an armored vehicle and I'll gar-un-damn-tee you no-one is getting out of that vehicle alive. |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 9:12:31 PM EDT
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