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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:32:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: well the militrary "joint" maneuvers between known BRICS members sure looks like to me that BRICS is turning into more than just about economics, especially since China is joining south africa and russia in them. It's a fair enough point to make. We'll see what happens, "smoking accidents" aside. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:37:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: The main point is not really the ship cruising the seas, Its what the ship is bringing along with it. The Zircon missle, which no one has a way of stopping. So its a new threat travelling around the oceans while our carriers are also out there. They were made to kill carriers..100 percent chance we have a sub tailing every where it goes. that is why I highlighted the seas they said its going to. Its the same seas we have carriers 
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:47:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: Woo https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20230125_093739_jpg-2684609.JPG I mean... Can you really count expended cruise missiles as "losses?" 
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Posted: 1/25/2023 6:03:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nobenz: I mean... Can you really count expended cruise missiles as "losses?" They count the interceptions, not the total launched. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 6:04:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Easterner]
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 "In total, Russia has launched more than 4,500 missile strikes at Ukraine since the beginning of the full-scale invasion on Feb. 24" That number includes air to air missiles such as the S-300 that are being used in ground attack mode. https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/danilov-russia-has-missiles-for-3-4-more-mass-attacks-on-ukraine-before-running-out-of-stocks |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 6:32:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Circuits: It's a fair enough point to make. We'll see what happens, "smoking accidents" aside. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Circuits: Originally Posted By AROKIE: well the militrary "joint" maneuvers between known BRICS members sure looks like to me that BRICS is turning into more than just about economics, especially since China is joining south africa and russia in them. It's a fair enough point to make. We'll see what happens, "smoking accidents" aside. lets hope they have plenty of cartons of smokes with them, lol |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 6:32:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AROKIE]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MADMAXXX: The USA just hasn't announced that we have a way to stop them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MADMAXXX: Originally Posted By AROKIE: The main point is not really the ship cruising the seas, Its what the ship is bringing along with it. The Zircon missle, which no one has a way of stopping. So its a new threat travelling around the oceans while our carriers are also out there. They were made to kill carriers..100 percent chance we have a sub tailing every where it goes. that is why I highlighted the seas they said its going to. Its the same seas we have carriers I wasnt aware, you have any more info? All i can tell is that it is only in development https://www.northropgrumman.com/space/counter-hypersonics/ |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 6:37:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: They count the interceptions, not the total launched. THAT makes a lot more sense, haha. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 6:47:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Jack67]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://i.imgur.com/DWeXAAn.jpg I posted the maritime borders a few pages ago.  Here is some more information, I had not the time to read it yet. IILSS-International institute for Law of the Sea Studies - WORLD MARITIME BOUNDARIES ATLAS maritime boundaries between Russia and Estonia 24th May 2021 No Comments Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By Jack67: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Yea Finland would have to be a partner in this decision. Im not really sure how legal this is going to be for them to do this though. Isnt there some type of passage law through straits to land of another country? i may not even know wtf im talking about I just dont see how they are able to do this. I believe they are talking about enforcing sanctions. The original tweet was very, very badly written. The Law of the Sea treaty has really distinct laws governing this. What little I know about this (Prime probably knows this stuff, too, or more): - A country can extend it’s national waters from 12nm (note nm, not statute) for purposes of law enforcement. - This “contiguous zone” is a further 12nm, for a total of 24nm where they can enforce laws. - This CZ is not automatic and must be claimed, legally. Presumably, that is what Estonia is doing right now. - Since Finland and Estonia share a water narrower than this (~30mi), I presume the limit meets in the middle for each. That is the norm, no overlap. - Since Russia is dependent upon this for ocean access, I *think* they are guaranteed transit rights. - Russia’s transit rights do not supercede international law, though. I.e. - sanctions can be enforced regardless. So to make it really stick, so that traffic just evades the Estonia CZ, Finland has to be on board and that’s questionable IMO. Who knows, though? AFAIK, sanctions can be enforced in international waters, so Estonia could enforce it in the shipping lanes as long as Finland doesn’t claim a CZ there. Another point - if they do start inspecting ships - it has wider-reaching implications. Mainly via insurance. Insurers will have a cow and greatly drive up rates for hulls bound for Ust-Luga or St. Petersburg, because the risk of seizure has skyrocketed. This is why Russian oil is so cheap, for example - much lower than the cap (one of the reasons). So this can really screw with Russia w/o ever getting “hot.” The Gulf of Finland through here is only about 30-ish miles wide for the most part. Finland and Estonia each get national waters out to 12nm, and then a CZ for enforcement another 12, so my belief is each’s zone would meet in the middle. I also noted the other major ports besides St. Petersburg, Ust-Luga and Primorsk. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/D64F70FE-E105-4D02-AA89-8D5BEBF638E1_jpe-2684545.JPG https://i.imgur.com/DWeXAAn.jpg I posted the maritime borders a few pages ago. Here is some more information, I had not the time to read it yet. IILSS-International institute for Law of the Sea Studies - WORLD MARITIME BOUNDARIES ATLAS maritime boundaries between Russia and Estonia 24th May 2021 No Comments Ah, I must have missed that. Good visual. So what Estonia is doing now is claiming the “Contiguous Zone” that they are entitled to, but previously have not (apparently). So they can bump their enforcement efforts into that rust-colored zone between the two territorial waters. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 6:50:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nobenz: THAT makes a lot more sense, haha. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nobenz: Originally Posted By Easterner: They count the interceptions, not the total launched. THAT makes a lot more sense, haha. It means a lot to intercept these. One can do some damage if it hits it's target. This is our city of Dnipro: "1,700 people lived in the high-rise building that was hit; 230 apartments were damaged, and 72 were completely destroyed by Russia's Kh-22 missile, which is designed to destroy aircraft carriers. On Jan. 17, three days after the strike, the search and rescue operation was completed at the site. Among those 46 killed were six children. Eleven bodies are still unidentified as of Jan. 19, and 11 people are still missing," https://kyivindependent.com/national/here-are-the-victims-of-russias-brutal-strike-on-apartment-building-in-dnipro |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 7:03:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: Anyone else see what looked like a suicide around the 1:35 mark? Looks like it. Good catch. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 7:10:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Birddog15: Looks like it. Good catch. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Birddog15: Originally Posted By Dominion21: Anyone else see what looked like a suicide around the 1:35 mark? Looks like it. Good catch. huh? what video |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 7:11:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: huh? what video This one:  Russian Soldiers die in droves in frontline trenches as they are hit by Ukrainian artillery |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 7:24:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mercersfinest4]
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WSJ Article - Germany Sending Tanks
14 Leopards “quickly.” Hopefully this means other countries will have permission to send more. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 7:29:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/25/2023 7:33:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By AROKIE: huh? what video This one:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE_5N09p9MgDamn what a slaughter |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 7:53:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryGoddamn. Buy a beer for the drone mop-up crew. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 8:20:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jdmdavey: Yes. The Denmark straight is only 4KM wide. Once this was announced RUS expelled the Estonian Ambassador, by Feb 7 at least. Estonia alone has a pitiful Navy. But they are a NATO ally. What this does is gives them the legal authority to inspect and thus interdict any RUS craft passing through their waters. If a RUS vessel decides to ignore the inspection, then EST will have the right to deny passage to the vessel. At that point we will see who will blink. Access to the Baltic is key, without it RUS would be in deep trouble, I doubt they would stand for it. This could possibly be one of those small moments in history that we look back on years from now and realize that it was a tipping point. Russia will feel completely trapped, without access to the Baltic or further more the Atlantic, they will lash out if this goes ahead. This could be our Archduke Ferdinand moment or it could be a total bluff.. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jdmdavey: Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By jdmdavey: Estonia plans to close the Gulf of Finland for russia, Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Reinsalu says. If this goes down, which is a big IF.. This will be a RED LINE for RUS.. 20% of everything they export comes through the Gulf of Finland. This would economically destroy Western Russia. Cutting St. Petersburg off from the Baltic is a ballsy move. I would bet Estonia will cave to NATO/EU pressure unfortunately. Denmark and Sweden alone could close the Baltic completely couldn’t they? There are only two ways out, no? Yes. The Denmark straight is only 4KM wide. Once this was announced RUS expelled the Estonian Ambassador, by Feb 7 at least. Estonia alone has a pitiful Navy. But they are a NATO ally. What this does is gives them the legal authority to inspect and thus interdict any RUS craft passing through their waters. If a RUS vessel decides to ignore the inspection, then EST will have the right to deny passage to the vessel. At that point we will see who will blink. Access to the Baltic is key, without it RUS would be in deep trouble, I doubt they would stand for it. This could possibly be one of those small moments in history that we look back on years from now and realize that it was a tipping point. Russia will feel completely trapped, without access to the Baltic or further more the Atlantic, they will lash out if this goes ahead. This could be our Archduke Ferdinand moment or it could be a total bluff.. Enforcement will require naval interdiction? That’s directly threatening Russian ships, who will likely have a military escort. That really could be the tipping point. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 8:30:38 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/25/2023 8:32:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: ... Those are all good points. The failure to exploit after Kharkiv was disheartening to me. Whether a command or capability failure (likely the latter), it still was regrettable. Objectively, it took nine months of the most ferocious national effort any country has mustered in such a short time since - 1942(?) - to get to the end of 2022. It’s going to take some building time to create the army that can finish the war. Weeding corruption civilian and military, building new units with new capabilities, doing all this with very fractured coalition partners - difficult and time consuming. The trends are all in the right direction and the news on replacing people is good IMO; let’s see military changes, too. I suspect my wife is tired of me saying, "Svatove. We should have taken that in August." |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 8:36:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Enforcement will require naval interdiction? That’s directly threatening Russian ships, who will likely have a military escort. That really could be the tipping point. These shipping lanes are very busy, and escorting every merchant vessel is impractical. And we aren’t talking about just Russian ships. It would include any commercial ship heading to Russia. Estonia is not undertaking wholly unilateral action. They are just suggesting to enforce existing sanctions closely. It is in fact, what NATO should already be doing. No one blinks if an Iranian vessel is boarded and inspected. It’s comparable to that. Russia has a small merchant navy (5million tons), it’s even 1/2 the size of the US fleet (which is small). So the vessels they would inspect would typically be the common flags of convenience + EU registered vessels. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 8:39:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jdmdavey: Yes you are correct on Finland having to declare their half as well...but it will be interesting to see if any RUS ships get flagged down, how they respond. It seems like an Estonian gesture more than anything, but could turn out to be more if Finland goes along. I seriously doubt we will see any Russian ships stopped and searched. But it would be fascinating to see the Russians submit to the Estonian Navy. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:02:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Seems pretty clear where this got hung up.
14 #Leopard 2 A6 battle tanks - Defense Minister Boris Pistorius just made a statement in the Bundestag on the delivery of the Leopard 2 A6 to #Ukraine
Vice Chancellor and Federal Minister Robert #Habeck to intensify the military support of #Ukraine by Germany and international partners
No fighter jets and no ground troops! Chancellor Scholz draws his red line in the Bundestag to support Ukraine.
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:02:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Jack67]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vahog: I seriously doubt we will see any Russian ships stopped and searched. But it would be fascinating to see the Russians submit to the Estonian Navy. To make an effect, they don’t have to stop Russian ships. They stop UK, Panamanian, Norwegian, German, etc flagged vessels, which are the shps carrying the Baltic trade. Also, Chinese, Singaporean ships carrying distant trade. It’s not Russian ships - same as the fact very few of the ships pulling into US ports are actually US ships. It’s a great idea and will mess with Russian trade, and increase sanctions compliance. And there’s really nothing Russia can do but go to war with NATO. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:14:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: trapsh00ter99]
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:14:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By craig19: I think most posts in GD are less than kind. I agree about having thick skin, which is why I'm still here. This infighting is taking away from the point of this thread. So, I'll just say this, I'm sorry for my joke. I'm sorry for not explaining why I posted the Russian video. Let's get back to the war. I'll chip in and thank you for being sincere. People in this thread get tired of the same old pattern from people jumping in and mouth breathing tired talking points. That is pretty much the push back you were getting. I respect your ability to look yourself in the mirror and reflect on the value of having sincere conversations without being a part of that destructive cycle. It seems to be rare on the internet and I appreciate it when I see it. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:15:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Veccio: I wouldn't get too excited. They will probably just sail around off the east coast and go 'neener neener boo boo, Russia stronk!' and flick boogers at us. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Veccio: Originally Posted By grambosc: I saw an update posted earlier this evening saying that it has diverted from the expected route to those exercises, and it's now headed toward the US. No idea what to believe here, but if true, you can bet the bastards have something nasty up their sleeves. I can only hope we're ready to respond accordingly. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/481717/IMG_20230124_215942_879_jpg-2684591.JPG How many fast attack subs do we have trailing this Russian ship right now? |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:16:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blueballs: I'll chip in and thank you for being sincere. People in this thread get tired of the same old pattern from people jumping in and mouth breathing tired talking points. That is pretty much the push back you were getting. I respect your ability to look yourself in the mirror and reflect on the value of having sincere conversations without being a part of that destructive cycle. It seems to be rare on the internet and I appreciate it when I see it. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:19:31 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:25:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryHoly $***, the orcs got rekt. Excellent! The 36th got a lot of the winter supplies the guys over in the my team thread donated. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:25:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: I believe they are talking about enforcing sanctions. The original tweet was very, very badly written. The Law of the Sea treaty has really distinct laws governing this. What little I know about this (Prime probably knows this stuff, too, or more): - A country can extend it’s national waters from 12nm (note nm, not statute) for purposes of law enforcement. - This “contiguous zone” is a further 12nm, for a total of 24nm where they can enforce laws. - This CZ is not automatic and must be claimed, legally. Presumably, that is what Estonia is doing right now. - Since Finland and Estonia share a water narrower than this (~30mi), I presume the limit meets in the middle for each. That is the norm, no overlap. - Since Russia is dependent upon this for ocean access, I *think* they are guaranteed transit rights. - Russia’s transit rights do not supercede international law, though. I.e. - sanctions can be enforced regardless. So to make it really stick, so that traffic just evades the Estonia CZ, Finland has to be on board and that’s questionable IMO. Who knows, though? AFAIK, sanctions can be enforced in international waters, so Estonia could enforce it in the shipping lanes as long as Finland doesn’t claim a CZ there. Another point - if they do start inspecting ships - it has wider-reaching implications. Mainly via insurance. Insurers will have a cow and greatly drive up rates for hulls bound for Ust-Luga or St. Petersburg, because the risk of seizure has skyrocketed. This is why Russian oil is so cheap, for example - much lower than the cap (one of the reasons). So this can really screw with Russia w/o ever getting “hot.” The Gulf of Finland through here is only about 30-ish miles wide for the most part. Finland and Estonia each get national waters out to 12nm, and then a CZ for enforcement another 12, so my belief is each’s zone would meet in the middle. I also noted the other major ports besides St. Petersburg, Ust-Luga and Primorsk. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/D64F70FE-E105-4D02-AA89-8D5BEBF638E1_jpe-2684545.JPG It always amazes me the knowledge here, even on the night shift. Thanks for the nod, but seems like y’all have already covered anything I’ve got. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:27:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SoCalExile:
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:30:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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 https://www.rp.pl/polityka/art37834761-pekniecie-w-nato-turcja-blokuje-rozszerzenie-o-finlandie-i-szwecje#error=login_required&state=d405b5a0-7655-4971-87d8-20a5639ae4f1 Actually, Sweden and Finland really wanted to join NATO together. Because of the escalated dispute between Stockholm and Ankara, the Finns are now publicly indicating a rethink.
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:30:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:40:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Subnetwork: Have we discussed this video yet? https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/10k6oic/russian_troops_engage_in_deadly_close_combat_with/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Not very well, but I’ll head off any objections by saying that was not RT produced. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:43:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nobenz: I mean... Can you really count expended cruise missiles as "losses?" Yes, the ones that have been shot down you can. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:46:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AROKIE]
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I've watched many documentaries on Putin and I came across this one this morning, It's a good one! They put alot of work into tracking down and interviewing many people involved in his rise to power and how he accumulated his wealth and power. Alot of which I was already aware of but to actually hear it from the people involved is outstanding. The end pretty much explains Putins mindset today to a "T"
(IT REALLY HAMMERS HOME THE GERMAN CONNECTION, with his money laundering.) It's called "Vladimir Putin- The world's most powerful president a BBC Documentary YouTube link 50 mins |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:48:07 AM EDT
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Donetsk
Ukrainians confirm they’re out of Soledar
Russians still not in central Bakhmut https://www.tiktok.com/@user24983045902123/video/7192486915633974533 LT JaggaJagga
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:50:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Subnetwork: Have we discussed this video yet? https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/10k6oic/russian_troops_engage_in_deadly_close_combat_with/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Trench warfare is a MF'er!! It's happening to both sides.. last week Ukrainian SOF stormed a Trench at night with NV and slaughtered 15 Russians just like that |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:55:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Holy $***, the orcs got rekt. Excellent! The 36th got a lot of the winter supplies the guys over in the my team thread donated. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Holy $***, the orcs got rekt. Excellent! The 36th got a lot of the winter supplies the guys over in the my team thread donated. GOT DAMN!! they frigging smashed those orcs!! Great video! |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:56:54 AM EDT
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LoL, maybe the Gorschkov just sailed west to run a computer simulation.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/25/russia-says-it-carried-out-hypersonic-missile-exercise-in-the-atlantic.html That has to be the lamest show of force in a while. But maybe they will get to Havana for some rum, “comradeship,” and a good supply of penicillin. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:56:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Abrams uses 2x the fuel, and runs on Jet fuel not diesel: https://i.ibb.co/52VGzyP/Screen-Shot-2023-01-23-at-9-18-08-PM.png Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By Erno86: I heard from a source on the news yesterday: That the German Leopard tank is smaller, faster and a better battle tank for the Ukrainians; than the gas-guzzling M1 Abrams --- Even though the Abrams is outfitted with more tactical weaponry. Abrams uses 2x the fuel, and runs on Jet fuel not diesel: https://i.ibb.co/52VGzyP/Screen-Shot-2023-01-23-at-9-18-08-PM.png Actually, the Abrams, like most turbines, runs on a lot of different fuels. I may/may not have been a Army Aircraft Engine Mechanic at one time. Since I am a "wordy" person (as yoy know from my previous posts) I will belay posting or otherwise reproducing a complex chart and refrain devolving into a theoretical discussion about Cetane vs Octane, fuel characteristics at various altitudes, etc and just state that 1) MILSPEC Jet fuels of the era (Namely JP4) tended to burn hot and fast due to a high lead-free AVGAS content, and 2) ANY turbine-powered tank (or aircraft) tends to burn a lot of gas and lose efficiency with the introduction of altitude because of the nature of turbines since they are running at/near WOT most of the time to achieve usable torque. Jets and Turbofans operating a altitude are different because physics, but any turbine operating a low altitudes is going to drink gas to achieve optimal work. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 10:03:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Trench warfare is a MF'er!! It's happening to both sides.. last week Ukrainian SOF stormed a Trench at night with NV and slaughtered 15 Russians just like that Damn, I missed that one, do you have a link? |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 10:05:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: craig19]
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 Failed To Load Title OK, so this video is from Ultimate Ukraine, hopefully that is acceptable here. Some pretty decent footage. Anyone know what vehicle that is at the 1:04 mark? I don't think I've ever seen anything like that before. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 10:15:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: It always amazes me the knowledge here, even on the night shift. Thanks for the nod, but seems like y’all have already covered anything I’ve got. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By Jack67: I believe they are talking about enforcing sanctions. The original tweet was very, very badly written. The Law of the Sea treaty has really distinct laws governing this. What little I know about this (Prime probably knows this stuff, too, or more): - A country can extend it’s national waters from 12nm (note nm, not statute) for purposes of law enforcement. - This “contiguous zone” is a further 12nm, for a total of 24nm where they can enforce laws. - This CZ is not automatic and must be claimed, legally. Presumably, that is what Estonia is doing right now. - Since Finland and Estonia share a water narrower than this (~30mi), I presume the limit meets in the middle for each. That is the norm, no overlap. - Since Russia is dependent upon this for ocean access, I *think* they are guaranteed transit rights. - Russia’s transit rights do not supercede international law, though. I.e. - sanctions can be enforced regardless. So to make it really stick, so that traffic just evades the Estonia CZ, Finland has to be on board and that’s questionable IMO. Who knows, though? AFAIK, sanctions can be enforced in international waters, so Estonia could enforce it in the shipping lanes as long as Finland doesn’t claim a CZ there. Another point - if they do start inspecting ships - it has wider-reaching implications. Mainly via insurance. Insurers will have a cow and greatly drive up rates for hulls bound for Ust-Luga or St. Petersburg, because the risk of seizure has skyrocketed. This is why Russian oil is so cheap, for example - much lower than the cap (one of the reasons). So this can really screw with Russia w/o ever getting “hot.” The Gulf of Finland through here is only about 30-ish miles wide for the most part. Finland and Estonia each get national waters out to 12nm, and then a CZ for enforcement another 12, so my belief is each’s zone would meet in the middle. I also noted the other major ports besides St. Petersburg, Ust-Luga and Primorsk. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/D64F70FE-E105-4D02-AA89-8D5BEBF638E1_jpe-2684545.JPG It always amazes me the knowledge here, even on the night shift. Thanks for the nod, but seems like y’all have already covered anything I’ve got. I love posing a question or idea and then wait a few minutes for a well formed technical response to appear. Thanks! |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 10:18:46 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Subnetwork: Damn, I missed that one, do you have a link?
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Posted: 1/25/2023 10:22:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
[#47]
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#Feedback damn, about the Dnieper. Well, it’s completely for the dumb ones, it might come in. Well, it’s clear that ours got screwed over. It’s just hard and not profitable to admit. but the entire population of the Dnieper definitely hates us. have a couple of friends. and this can be said to be a Russian-speaking city. some fucking victories https://t.me/mototroopers_205/858 #Feedback in the Dnieper 60 wounded, among them 12 children. Propaganda says that children became hostages of the Kyiv regime... And we get kneading hostages? Well, ok, okay, not the first time. Nord-Ost, Beslan, then and there ... Krasovsky, Mardan, - to drown children, ... Oh well Dad, what did you do in the war, kill children? No, I killed fascists. OK. Logically. Instead of troops, we continue to beat civil infrastructure ™ all the same to no avail. Do you know that this is similar to treason when enemy troops are not subjected to such massive strikes, and thousands of missiles are spent because they have no effect on the army? Moreover, it embitters the entire population, increasing the percentage of volunteers, motivates to fight, justifies the mobilization of everyone, including women ... I have a 100% feeling that this was invented by a traitor to Russia, who is trying to increase the potential of the enemy, sparing his army as much as possible, and compromising the main motive for liberation, making aggressors out of us, giving a powerful incentive to the propaganda of the enemy, giving arguments for sanctions ... .. no, it didn’t seem. It's exactly like that. And this is what a traitor to Russia and a traitor to the Motherland does. Maliciously. https://t.me/mototroopers_205/859 #Feedback No matter how much you dig or take villages, towns and cities (if after taking them you can call them stupid territories), there is no final meaning! Khokhlov will not be allowed to lose, regardless of the losses, they will be fed exactly until the moment when our potential is exhausted, as it was before mobilization, and so on in a circle!? They will be given everything they consider necessary, as was the case with the Hamers, then the patriot, etc., the sissy were crushed, crushed and given, and then they would give tanks and aircraft, etc. The question arises, how long will this continue, how much more should be put to the people, and from both sides? For the Nazis, etc. an already damaged record, there in the trenches there are the same mobiles as ours, who also didn’t really want to fight the campaign ... only they are at home, this is about motivation. In short, this is all sad, and somehow it’s not good to lose, and they won’t let you win, life is stupidly nowhere ... https://t.me/mototroopers_205/870 |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 10:23:23 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: That is a main problem many have. They spot off about billions just being sent there so zelensky can play scrooge mc duck in his mansion. 90% of it is hard goods. Weapons, ammunition, vehicles, supplies, medical gear, you know, all the shit you need to fight a war. I do my best to not call names and explain what is happening, but it is tough when someone who only listens to tucker wants to show their ass. The dod is cleaning out the closets and sending old and some expired cold wars shit and putting a monetary value on it. M113 apc's are part of that "money". Shit we have been making reefs out of. It's cheaper to send old missiles there to kill commies, add it to the "money" and not have to pay to demil it. Seriously, how do you educate anyone who calls you a liar and it is actually just money being sent? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By craig19: The reasonable third party people get turned off pretty quickly, when they are called Putin lovers for disagreeing with all the cash being sent over there. Just because we aren't fans of all the tax money the US is blowing over there, doesn't mean we want Russia to win. Some of the shit the Ukraine bois have said and done is flat out 'tarded. Especially, when it turns into purse swinging and name calling. I'll be called a Russian troll in 3, 2, 1.... That is a main problem many have. They spot off about billions just being sent there so zelensky can play scrooge mc duck in his mansion. 90% of it is hard goods. Weapons, ammunition, vehicles, supplies, medical gear, you know, all the shit you need to fight a war. I do my best to not call names and explain what is happening, but it is tough when someone who only listens to tucker wants to show their ass. The dod is cleaning out the closets and sending old and some expired cold wars shit and putting a monetary value on it. M113 apc's are part of that "money". Shit we have been making reefs out of. It's cheaper to send old missiles there to kill commies, add it to the "money" and not have to pay to demil it. Seriously, how do you educate anyone who calls you a liar and it is actually just money being sent? That’s the fault of Biden and his handlers They cannot communicate effectively and efficiently Big part is they don’t understand what they are sending so some speechwriter translates it to $$$. Rather than simply saying we are sending $50 billion in weapons to Ukraine. Maybe they think they need to edit out the word weapons for various reasons. So people think there is a lot of cash being transferred. Surely there is some and the last congress and White House were not going to plainly state what that transfers in cash or non military and non humanitarian gear was. You probably also have parts of this regime that have wanted to send more gear and more capable gear over sooner. But have opposition from the WH and biden. Biden isn’t the friend the Ukrainians and pro people might think he is. He’s just increasingly finding himself trapped and the only way out to avoid another Afghanistan collapse fiasco is to send more and more capable weapons. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 10:26:54 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Russian rodeo is best rodeo. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By Swampgrass: No shit ! In Russia, Horse Rodeos You 
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Posted: 1/25/2023 10:30:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4xGM300m]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Hopefully other countries can get there sooner. If not, it will be summer or fall before they make an impact. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Originally Posted By SoCalExile:
Problem is the training*, maybe Poland already started, but giving Challengers, Leopards or Abrams to Ukraine without proper trained crews would be a waste. The next problem is the Rasputitsa or mud season that will start again in late February/March.  * Training should have started last year and the tanks should have been ready now.  |
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