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Posted: 3/3/2023 11:30:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: No kidding. And Georgian troops were in A-stan supporting operations and Bush got them flights home in a hurry so they could defend their country. I never heard anything on here to support Russia. (Remember the pictures of Russians standing next to large piles of Bushmaster M4 that were captured from Georgia) I think conservatives started supporting Russia when they saw average Russians nationalistic and enthusiastic supporters of their country while, in contrast, we here in the USA are in a cold civil war with one side actively demeaning and condemning our history, culture, and traditions, tearing down statues, burning flags, kneeling at the anthem... I think they feel like Americans without a country. These folks looked up to Russia in that regard. I was even complimenting Putin as a president that is proud and supports his own country. My balloon of naivete was popped when Putin sacrificed his people for empire and conquest. I remember those posts. Little green men, IDing different weapons including their weird shotguns and GLs, AFVs sliding down streets and taking out street lamps, but I don't recall anyone being sympathetic to Russia. Things have changed. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 11:31:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m:  I can't wrap my brain around this. The war started one year ago and some guys can fly a drone over one of their most valuable planes inside an airfield with radars and shit and the Russians didn't notice anything until it was too late?
Over 3 minute video. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By Cobradriver: Originally Posted By MarineGrunt: Originally Posted By Jack67: Video released by Belarusian resistance of apparent dry-run on the Mainstay. Not the attack video; but that is expected/hoped for.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/3A2E66E4-F02A-45E6-A500-17E17AAC4439_jpe-2731169.JPG A small fleet of those things with some willie pete grenades could take out every aircraft on that base. Probably wouldn’t be hard to do at all and I’m kind of surprised it hasn’t been tried. The crazy thing is...that single video is making the air wing shit themselves right now. They either relocate those vulnerable assets or try and protect them with non-existent counter air. I do kinda wish they would have had a giant brick of some type of explosive that could have been left and exploded while the drone was watching just for the lol... I can't wrap my brain around this. The war started one year ago and some guys can fly a drone over one of their most valuable planes inside an airfield with radars and shit and the Russians didn't notice anything until it was too late?
Over 3 minute video. My big worry is that if the Balloon gos Up with China, the opening salvo might be a swarm of little drones that have been infiltrated into our country / territories / basing areas disabling a lot of our aircraft on the runway. It's pretty perfect Hybrid War / Grey zone because numerous aircraft can be disabled by a single dropped 40mm HEDP, but the actual loss of life might be 0 and sense of 'attack' would be much lower then a Pearl / 9/11, making it less likely to be a galvanizing event for the US to rally behind. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 11:31:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: There are a bunch of fucking idiots on this site who support russia because biden supports ukraine. Their limited intelligence does not allow them to process semi complex thoughts. I cannot read 10% of the posts in the Ukraine hate threads because they cannot construct a coherent sentence. Also true. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 11:33:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqQNZ-5aIAAenvO?format=png&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqQO1QOagAExVkl?format=png&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqNtGBJaUAMkOKY?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqNtGBIaAAIe3n7?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqNtGBKaMAAPTjd?format=jpg&name=large Fascinating. Also, now a Midcap thread. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 11:38:07 AM EST
[Last Edit: Ryan_Scott]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd675: I wish they wouldn’t have shown they take off location. That’s confirmation for security forces on how the attack was completed and steps taken to counter it. These little drones are going to be a serious asymmetric challenge for everyone. Nah, showing that they did it from RIGHT THERE is a slap in the face to the enemy in the IO sphere. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 11:40:51 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqRc3waWAAIUmzB?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqS4Nu9XoAAXowD?format=jpg&name=small So it does plus or minus what GMLRS-ER does but it’s substantially larger (almost 2x the length) wider and heavier (the platform too!) and has to be reloaded one at a time with a crane. The west really is so far ahead of everyone else. Can you imagine if the US had been using these vehicles and munitions instead and trying to supply Ukraine? Twice as many sorties just to get them there. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 11:49:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: Alex9661]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I don't think they are slaves lol, but I think this might be a translation error. Perhaps I'm wrong, I don't speak either language. Our Ukrainian and Russian speaking forum members might be able to help clear this up. It's a good translation. I'm sure it was just a hyperbole for minimum wage menial labor, somewhat similar to use of "to slave" to describe an overworked/underpaid scenario. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 11:53:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alex9661: It's a good translation. I'm sure it was just a hyperbole for minimum wage menial labor, somewhat similar to use of "to slave" to describe an overworked/underpaid scenario. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alex9661: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I don't think they are slaves lol, but I think this might be a translation error. Perhaps I'm wrong, I don't speak either language. Our Ukrainian and Russian speaking forum members might be able to help clear this up. It's a good translation. I'm sure it was just a hyperbole for minimum wage menial labor, somewhat similar to use of "to slave" to describe an overworked/underpaid scenario. I see now, much appreciated for the explanation. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 11:53:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By torstin: Wow. They spared no expense for the first center. It's all downhill from there. That is no shit. When we had our Christmas tornadoes a couple of years ago I got deployed to set up a clinic at a rec center. Within about the first hour, my setup was better put together than that shitshow and that was on a no-notice call out between Christmas and NYE. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 11:54:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By borderpatrol: Go away. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By borderpatrol: Originally Posted By OBird: It's pure tribalism. The "establishment" (or whatever) supports Ukraine? Well then I'm supporting Russia! And I'll find whatever "sources" fit my conclusion to support my..,conclusion! When Trump was being impeached, everyone was criticizing Obama for only sending blankets and MREs, instead of lethal aid. If Trump was in the White House right now, doing the exact same things Biden is doing, GD would look a lot different. Everyone would be lauding him (rightfully so), for getting Europe to donate weapons and defeating Russia without shedding American blood. He'd a be a genius. And the leftist code pink types would be a lot more vocal against the war too, I bet. It's all so frustratingly predictable. Go away. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 11:56:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OBird: EXACTLY!! The mental gymnastics are mind-boggling. Really kind of depressing when you think about it.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OBird: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By OBird: Originally Posted By borderpatrol: Originally Posted By OBird: It’s pure tribalism. The “establishment” (or whatever) supports Ukraine? Well then I’m supporting Russia! And I’ll find whatever “sources” fit my conclusion to support my..,conclusion! When Trump was being impeached, everyone was criticizing Obama for only sending blankets and MREs, instead of lethal aid. If Trump was in the White House right now, doing the exact same things Biden is doing, GD would look a lot different. Everyone would be lauding him (rightfully so), for getting Europe to donate weapons and defeating Russia without shedding American blood. He’d a be a genius. And the leftist code pink types would be a lot more vocal against the war too, I bet. It’s all so frustratingly predictable. Go away.  @borderpatrol I’ve seen enough of your posts in here to be fairly certain we’re on the same page here…I respectfully suggest you either mis-quoted, or mis-interpreted something here  I was piggybacking off the post I quoted: the first paragraph is sarcasm; trying to describe the thought process of Putin puffers in GD. The rest should be self-evidently critical of them. Basically suggesting that the only reason there is so much Russia support in GD, is that it’s pure contrarianism, and not based in any sound logic. I truly do think that if they didn’t have the “need” to be opposite of Biden (or “the establishment” or whatever) in every matter, the vast majority of GD would be supporting Ukraine. It’s just a sad reflection on the tribalism of American politics that they aren’t. Like I said before (I think in this thread), I remember this place in 2008 when Russia invaded Georgia. Georgian flags in avatars and locations galore. I honestly don't remember a single poster being on the pro-Russian side. If there were any they we're rightfully afraid to voice it with Ed Sr around. EXACTLY!! The mental gymnastics are mind-boggling. Really kind of depressing when you think about it. It is easy to take a minority despised by the establishment, radicalize them, and essentially reprogram them in order to weaponize them against their fellow citizens, and oftentimes act against their previous beliefs and even against their own self-interest. Many times this has happened in our history, such as in the Reconstruction South, the flight of the Left-Progressives into support of Communism in the aftermath of WWI, support among both liberals and conservatives for the Mussolini regime before 1936, German-American support of the Hitler regime and the "Bund" of the immediate pre-WWII era, Leftish capitalist support for Fidel Castro, Hard-leftist support for Islamic fundamentalists, etc. This is where morals and principles are critical, as once you outsource your thinking and put your trust in men, you are essentially adopting their morals, beliefs and viewpoints. Everyone has faith in something (positive or negative), the question for each individual is "whom do you trust with your faith. Crowds are fickle, as they can hail you as a liberator on a Sunday, and by the next Friday be demanding your execution, and the greatest prophets seem to spend a lot of time in deserts and other wild areas. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 11:58:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryIf FoamandTape is still around the time is now for him to become a billionaire defense contractor. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 11:58:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol.
It's probably my favorite video so far. The shit the security forces for that field are in is so deep, it is bottomless. This is a gigantic fuck you to russia and their image. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 11:59:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: Makes you wonder what the Ukranians know about these systems. Maybe decided the sat link was a better target for whatever reason. Or the radome was more easily replaceable/repairable. They've been pretty smart so far, and have a lot of assistance from Western intel. I'm hoping that the partizans that lifted that drone were well connected. To my non-EW lizard brain, I think "Oh the radome is the most obvious feature so that must be the mission kill spot, or if the cockpit goes then the plane isn't going anywhere." But I am completely open to there was an informed decision to put the splodey stuff on the satcom. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:05:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: Jack67]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise: A thermite grenade on a fuel tank would have been fun. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise: A thermite grenade on a fuel tank would have been fun. Yep, that’s the been the go-to for 80+ years now. I read “Rogue Heroes” last year, about the early SAS (new TV show, too). In the western desert, when the SAS units got onto a German base, that is what they did. They had their own satchel charges made up of plastic, thermite, and motor oil. They placed them on the wing roots so as to get at the tanks and maximize damage. The Lewes bombs were absolutely devastating used like this. Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By Jack67: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: … I can't wrap my brain around this. The war started one year ago and some guys can fly a drone over one of their most valuable planes inside an airfield with radars and shit and the Russians didn't notice anything until it was too late? … Are we sure this couldn’t happen in Spokane? Offut? Barksdale? Maybe we are prepared for this, but are we really? IDK. My only surprise, in Russia/Belarus, is that it hasn’t happened 20 times already. On civil airports they can detect and down these small drones, happens every week around the world. This. We're actually far more prepared for this than most people realize. It's another level if they tried to do this as a U.S. Air Force base. Ok, good to know. Sometimes you hope when you see a gap; I’ve been disappointed before. Things really do seem to be competently handled these days. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:08:15 PM EST
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Likely they picked the part that’s hardest to repair under the present sanctions regime.
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:10:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Yep, that’s the been the go-to for 80+ years now. I read “Rogue Heroes” last year, about the early SAS (new TV show, too). In the western desert, when the SAS units got onto a German base, that is what they did. They had their own satchel charges made up of plastic, thermite, and motor oil. They placed them on the wing roots so as to get at the tanks and maximize damage. The Lewes bombs were absolutely devastating used like this. And those Vickers K guns were murderous. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:12:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: No kidding. And Georgian troops were in A-stan supporting operations and Bush got them flights home in a hurry so they could defend their country. I never heard anything on here to support Russia. (Remember the pictures of Russians standing next to large piles of Bushmaster M4 that were captured from Georgia) I think conservatives started supporting Russia when they saw average Russians nationalistic and enthusiastic supporters of their country while, in contrast, we here in the USA are in a cold civil war with one side actively demeaning and condemning our history, culture, and traditions, tearing down statues, burning flags, kneeling at the anthem... I think they feel like Americans without a country. These folks looked up to Russia in that regard. I was even complimenting Putin as a president that is proud and supports his own country. My balloon of naivete was popped when Putin sacrificed his people for empire and conquest. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Like I said before (I think in this thread), I remember this place in 2008 when Russia invaded Georgia. Georgian flags in avatars and locations galore. I honestly don't remember a single poster being on the pro-Russian side. If there were any they we're rightfully afraid to voice it with Ed Sr around. No kidding. And Georgian troops were in A-stan supporting operations and Bush got them flights home in a hurry so they could defend their country. I never heard anything on here to support Russia. (Remember the pictures of Russians standing next to large piles of Bushmaster M4 that were captured from Georgia) I think conservatives started supporting Russia when they saw average Russians nationalistic and enthusiastic supporters of their country while, in contrast, we here in the USA are in a cold civil war with one side actively demeaning and condemning our history, culture, and traditions, tearing down statues, burning flags, kneeling at the anthem... I think they feel like Americans without a country. These folks looked up to Russia in that regard. I was even complimenting Putin as a president that is proud and supports his own country. My balloon of naivete was popped when Putin sacrificed his people for empire and conquest. I also think a huge factor in the Right/Russia Axis of Retardation is blowback from the 2016-2019 "Russia Russia Russia" russian collusion witch hunt against Trump. This crying wolf lead to a broader discounting of negative news about Russia as being fake news or a smoke scene for a Democratic Agenda. Plus a general In-Group / Out-Group phenomenon where it became as simple as "Well, if Hillary is against Russia, them Russians must be doing somemthing right." Throw in an abandoning of traditional media in favor of often dubious/disinfo alt-media, and here we are. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:16:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqQ3ZAAXsAAwGIp?format=png&name=900x900 While this may be true, I like deaded better. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:20:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: This shows a trend toward the kamikaze drones and lots of them.
The transition to FPV drones is a very interesting development. But it makes sense as it allows for bigger payloads and the use of RPG warheads. Curious how they are detonated. Do they have to actually smash the RPG into a hard object to trigger the piezio nosecone, or are they being set off electrically? |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:23:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqQNZ-5aIAAenvO?format=png&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqQO1QOagAExVkl?format=png&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqNtGBJaUAMkOKY?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqNtGBIaAAIe3n7?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqNtGBKaMAAPTjd?format=jpg&name=large Thats amazing. Imagine getting killed by a cardboard airplane. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:25:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd675: I wish they wouldn’t have shown they take off location. That’s confirmation for security forces on how the attack was completed and steps taken to counter it. These little drones are going to be a serious asymmetric challenge for everyone. They factored for the video release. Even before the news that a Mainstay was hit was out, Twitter/TG were saying police and security forces were swarming the area around the base, and we were guessing a drone was used, too. So the partisans knew the MO would be figured out quickly and split. I also read they got the drone operator/team out of the country as a precaution, and that may also explain why the videos were held a few days before release. The drone was spotted en route, so the attack method was not going to be secret. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:30:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: They factored for the video release. Even before the news that a Mainstay was hit was out, Twitter/TG were saying police and security forces were swarming the area around the base, and we were guessing a drone was used, too. So the partisans knew the MO would be figured out quickly and split. I also read they got the drone operator/team out of the country as a precaution, and that may also explain why the videos were held a few days before release. The drone was spotted en route, so the attack method was not going to be secret. Also, don't forget the tardation coming from the orcs about how this means there are no more red lines, it justified doing more to Ukraine, etc. By showing this was homegrown partizans there is a means to counter it. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:31:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: I remember those posts. Little green men, IDing different weapons including their weird shotguns and GLs, AFVs sliding down streets and taking out street lamps, but I don't recall anyone being sympathetic to Russia. Things have changed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: No kidding. And Georgian troops were in A-stan supporting operations and Bush got them flights home in a hurry so they could defend their country. I never heard anything on here to support Russia. (Remember the pictures of Russians standing next to large piles of Bushmaster M4 that were captured from Georgia) I think conservatives started supporting Russia when they saw average Russians nationalistic and enthusiastic supporters of their country while, in contrast, we here in the USA are in a cold civil war with one side actively demeaning and condemning our history, culture, and traditions, tearing down statues, burning flags, kneeling at the anthem... I think they feel like Americans without a country. These folks looked up to Russia in that regard. I was even complimenting Putin as a president that is proud and supports his own country. My balloon of naivete was popped when Putin sacrificed his people for empire and conquest. I remember those posts. Little green men, IDing different weapons including their weird shotguns and GLs, AFVs sliding down streets and taking out street lamps, but I don't recall anyone being sympathetic to Russia. Things have changed. There were many posts about Putin being the "Christian" savior that the world and the us need. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:34:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: The transition to FPV drones is a very interesting development. But it makes sense as it allows for bigger payloads and the use of RPG warheads. Curious how they are detonated. Do they have to actually smash the RPG into a hard object to trigger the piezio nosecone, or are they being set off electrically? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: This shows a trend toward the kamikaze drones and lots of them.
The transition to FPV drones is a very interesting development. But it makes sense as it allows for bigger payloads and the use of RPG warheads. Curious how they are detonated. Do they have to actually smash the RPG into a hard object to trigger the piezio nosecone, or are they being set off electrically? |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:41:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: FPV drones look a lot more accurate against moving tanks than grenade drops are. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: This shows a trend toward the kamikaze drones and lots of them.
The transition to FPV drones is a very interesting development. But it makes sense as it allows for bigger payloads and the use of RPG warheads. Curious how they are detonated. Do they have to actually smash the RPG into a hard object to trigger the piezio nosecone, or are they being set off electrically? Just wait until we see videos from autonomous optically guided drones. Right into the hatch every time or detonating at the perfect position and height to get the most number of grunts. Much like automatic transmissions are faster and more fuel efficient than manual ones, auto targeting drones are or will soon do things that previously required luck and skill. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:43:50 PM EST
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:44:52 PM EST
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:47:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: HIPPO]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hate_Work: Yes. Accountability is an issue with our Government. What many don't want to think about is the US's printing of money may mean someday, we collapse. If that happens, there will be no US to Ukraine, NATO, Taiwan or anyone else. Let's just keep everything as black and white like so many here want to do. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hate_Work: Originally Posted By HIPPO: So your point about earmarks and congressional directed spending outside of merit/competitive recipient award process (through the procurement/acquisition/grant/etc processes) and omnibus appropriations is the problem? I got bad news for you buddy, the earmarks have been going on for just about ever while consolidated apropos have been going on with stunning regularity for most of the last quarter century. Yes. Accountability is an issue with our Government. What many don't want to think about is the US's printing of money may mean someday, we collapse. If that happens, there will be no US to Ukraine, NATO, Taiwan or anyone else. Let's just keep everything as black and white like so many here want to do. Noted. The scope of the problem you describe is whole-of-gov’t in nature. That’s an entirely separate conversation. The scope of the problem with Russia, and in this case, the war in Ukraine is that some want to trade (read: not spend) a small fraction of our annual gov’t budget and in turn promote Russia’s interests, diminish America’s power and global standing, destroy relationships with our allies, and further embolden violence-prone autocratic despots. Enter China stage left. Oh, and allow tens if not hundreds of thousands more Ukrainians to be slaughtered by the Russians. It can rightly be argued that a lack of strong action by the US and Europe prior to ‘22 has created the very situation we find happening with Ukraine. No one confronted Putin and he was emboldened to act. Next. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:50:24 PM EST
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:52:29 PM EST
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:53:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By general_cluster: Just wait until we see videos from autonomous optically guided drones. Right into the hatch every time or detonating at the perfect position and height to get the most number of grunts. Much like automatic transmissions are faster and more fuel efficient than manual ones, auto targeting drones are or will soon do things that previously required luck and skill. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By general_cluster: Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: This shows a trend toward the kamikaze drones and lots of them.
The transition to FPV drones is a very interesting development. But it makes sense as it allows for bigger payloads and the use of RPG warheads. Curious how they are detonated. Do they have to actually smash the RPG into a hard object to trigger the piezio nosecone, or are they being set off electrically? Just wait until we see videos from autonomous optically guided drones. Right into the hatch every time or detonating at the perfect position and height to get the most number of grunts. Much like automatic transmissions are faster and more fuel efficient than manual ones, auto targeting drones are or will soon do things that previously required luck and skill. "Warning! Unattended aircraft may be feed expanding foam... and titanium chips!" |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:55:23 PM EST
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:58:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam:
This might be related to the Ukrainian dump truck of Tm-62 mines we saw.
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:59:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Thats amazing. Imagine getting killed by a cardboard airplane. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqQNZ-5aIAAenvO?format=png&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqQO1QOagAExVkl?format=png&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqNtGBJaUAMkOKY?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqNtGBIaAAIe3n7?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqNtGBKaMAAPTjd?format=jpg&name=large Thats amazing. Imagine getting killed by a cardboard airplane. Next thing you know they will be dropping JDAM's made of Kevlar-reinforced cellulose. 
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Posted: 3/3/2023 1:01:31 PM EST
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Posted: 3/3/2023 1:03:35 PM EST
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Posted: 3/3/2023 1:04:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam:
That was a big BOOM |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 1:12:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/34B83ABE-D245-4413-A38F-049233BC5B56-2731261.jpg Deputy Khinshtein shows one of the mines found at the site of the cleansing operation in the Bryansk region https://t.me/bbbreaking/149698 
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Posted: 3/3/2023 1:14:31 PM EST
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Understood. In the end, what I am not all warm and fuzzy about is there still isn't a firm commitment from the US. Attic stock dwindling and reserves for a possible future with China are therefire dwindling. Production rates on some weaponry have only now increased. My guess is FJB doesn't want a quick ending to this invasion. Hence my ranting.
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Posted: 3/3/2023 1:17:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Nah, showing that they did it from RIGHT THERE is a slap in the face to the enemy in the IO sphere. Maybe it was Belarussian partisans not coordinating with the UA. Since that OP worked pretty well it would have been worth a 2nd go before the Russians figured out exactly how it was done. Although I bet the perimeter woodline would be teeming with security. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 1:17:59 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Going from his earlier posts, I don't know his political ideas, but with the translation I think he means that if they fight and win against Russia, they wouldn't have to have so many of their countries population having to live in nearby countries. They would all be able to come back home and live and work. I don't think they are slaves lol, but I think this might be a translation error. Perhaps I'm wrong, I don't speak either language. Our Ukrainian and Russian speaking forum members might be able to help clear this up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By amanbearpig: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Mentions the Bakhmut kill ratio is 1 dead Ukrainian to 7 to 10 dead Russians. Huh? Going from his earlier posts, I don't know his political ideas, but with the translation I think he means that if they fight and win against Russia, they wouldn't have to have so many of their countries population having to live in nearby countries. They would all be able to come back home and live and work. I don't think they are slaves lol, but I think this might be a translation error. Perhaps I'm wrong, I don't speak either language. Our Ukrainian and Russian speaking forum members might be able to help clear this up. Poland had a lot of Ukrainians working and living there before the war escalated. Many of the youth leave for opportunities elsewhere. I know some people that work in Poland in the lower paying positions. I assume that is what he means. Leaving family and your homeland behind for a shitty job in some situations. You see a lot of elderly here that are alone. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 1:18:42 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: This might be related to the Ukrainian dump truck of Tm-62 mines we saw.
Bingo! |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 1:26:17 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Abakan: Well, that otoh is true. I am to dumb to build my own, so all I can use are the DJI's ( but not the ones with the newest firmware ;) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Abakan: Originally Posted By planemaker: It's easy enough to build your own and not worry about such things. Ukraine seems to have a pretty good talent pool related to drones -and- they seem to be able to source components in bulk. Well, that otoh is true. I am to dumb to build my own, so all I can use are the DJI's ( but not the ones with the newest firmware ;) I switched from DJI to Autel because the stock firmware doesn’t restrict your flying zones. Not sure if this is relevant to the war, but it certainly helps stateside. From what I’m seeing in Ukraine with use of commercial DJI drones, I would speculate that their software engineers have completely reprogrammed them. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 1:27:53 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hate_Work: Understood. In the end, what I am not all warm and fuzzy about is there still isn't a firm commitment from the US. Attic stock dwindling and reserves for a possible future with China are therefire dwindling. Production rates on some weaponry have only now increased. My guess is FJB doesn't want a quick ending to this invasion. Hence my ranting. Where we going to use artillery in china? This shit was designed and produced to be used exactly where it is being used. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 1:28:10 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: It is easy to take a minority despised by the establishment, radicalize them, and essentially reprogram them in order to weaponize them against their fellow citizens, and oftentimes act against their previous beliefs and even against their own self-interest. Many times this has happened in our history, such as in the Reconstruction South, the flight of the Left-Progressives into support of Communism in the aftermath of WWI, support among both liberals and conservatives for the Mussolini regime before 1936, German-American support of the Hitler regime and the "Bund" of the immediate pre-WWII era, Leftish capitalist support for Fidel Castro, Hard-leftist support for Islamic fundamentalists, etc. This is where morals and principles are critical, as once you outsource your thinking and put your trust in men, you are essentially adopting their morals, beliefs and viewpoints. Everyone has faith in something (positive or negative), the question for each individual is "whom do you trust with your faith. Crowds are fickle, as they can hail you as a liberator on a Sunday, and by the next Friday be demanding your execution, and the greatest prophets seem to spend a lot of time in deserts and other wild areas. All very true! The "intellectual" mob is just as dangerous, if not more, than the rioting mob. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 1:31:05 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: They've been pretty smart so far, and have a lot of assistance from Western intel. I'm hoping that the partizans that lifted that drone were well connected. To my non-EW lizard brain, I think "Oh the radome is the most obvious feature so that must be the mission kill spot, or if the cockpit goes then the plane isn't going anywhere." But I am completely open to there was an informed decision to put the splodey stuff on the satcom. And if the integrity of the airplane's fuselage was damaged, it wont be flying out to a repair facility. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 1:33:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: And if the integrity of the airplane's fuselage was damaged, it wont be flying out to a repair facility. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By m24shooter: They've been pretty smart so far, and have a lot of assistance from Western intel. I'm hoping that the partizans that lifted that drone were well connected. To my non-EW lizard brain, I think "Oh the radome is the most obvious feature so that must be the mission kill spot, or if the cockpit goes then the plane isn't going anywhere." But I am completely open to there was an informed decision to put the splodey stuff on the satcom. And if the integrity of the airplane's fuselage was damaged, it wont be flying out to a repair facility. are the fuel tanks on these air craft self sealing? |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 1:34:13 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: I also think a huge factor in the Right/Russia Axis of Retardation is blowback from the 2016-2019 "Russia Russia Russia" russian collusion witch hunt against Trump. This crying wolf lead to a broader discounting of negative news about Russia as being fake news or a smoke scene for a Democratic Agenda. Plus a general In-Group / Out-Group phenomenon where it became as simple as "Well, if Hillary is against Russia, them Russians must be doing somemthing right." Throw in an abandoning of traditional media in favor of often dubious/disinfo alt-media, and here we are. Yes. Very true. I forgot about all the "Russia russia russia" idiocy that addled a lot of brains. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 1:36:50 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd675: I wish they wouldn’t have shown they take off location. That’s confirmation for security forces on how the attack was completed and steps taken to counter it. These little drones are going to be a serious asymmetric challenge for everyone. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd675: Originally Posted By Jack67: Here’s the vid of the grenade/munition delivery. Just released, from Kherson Cat (that guy is a treasure). They were just at the airfield perimeter so it’s the whole flight from take off to detonation. They landed on the satcom fairing between the cockpit and the radome (the bulge on the fuselage top in front of the wing root).
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/D67E7D13-AE8F-4C50-9485-37E5E35B4AEB_jpe-2731920.JPG Also: wow that “defector” sounds like a nut job. I wish they wouldn’t have shown they take off location. That’s confirmation for security forces on how the attack was completed and steps taken to counter it. These little drones are going to be a serious asymmetric challenge for everyone. You're assuming that is the launch location. If I intended to release the video then I would launch from elsewhere then momentarily land outside the base to make base security look pathetic. |
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